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Welcome!
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- Mailer Diablo 13:42, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

careful with category capitalisation
i have renamed category:Australian Indigenous musicians to category:Australian indigenous musicians. the original should really be a speedy delete. clarkk 04:44, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * ... is very definitely to capitalise Indigenous when referring to Australiaá first peoples. Is there an over-riding convention. I think original capitalisation can be sustained. Paul foord 04:59, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * no, it should not, "indigenous" is not a proper noun, all non-proper nouns should be lowercase, see naming conventions. Aborigine is uppercase, because it refers to a specific people.  "indigenous", by it's very nature is a collective and therefore non-proper noun referring to more than one set of people, not just Aboriginal people.    clarkk 05:09, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Anthony Mundine
Good work with the Anthony Mundine article cleanup. I've removed the cleanup notice. Thanks. -- Longhair | Talk 18:45, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Doug Nicholls
Nice article on Douglas Nicholls. I've tidied up a bit of syntax and so forth. I hope I haven't changed the meaning of anything with my tidyups.

In the sentence "He helped set up hostels for Aboriginal children, holiday homes for his people at Queenscliff ...", does his people refer to the Yorta Yorta, Australian Aborigines generally, or members of his congregation? I read it first as Yorta Yorta, but that seems strange to be at Queenscliff if they're from NSW. --ScottDavis 12:51, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Focus of his work was to indigenous people generally
Changes good, I took it to be general, not Yorta Yorta, my reading does not indicate close ongoing contact with the Yorta Yorta. Paul foord 13:36, 19 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Aboriginal people I've met would not use "my people" to mean all Australian Aborigines. They would mean their own clan or tribe or nation (not sure which). I was on a tour of Katherine Gorge a few years ago and someone asked the (Aboriginal) guide a question like "Did your people traditionally ...?". The answer was "Not my people mate. I'm from Kakadu." I've also met people who identify with the Ngarrindjeri nation, so I think the line about "his people" should be clarified. --ScottDavis 13:57, 19 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Changed Paul foord 14:07, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Adelaide
Hi there! Not sure if you'd seen WikiProject Adelaide yet. Alphax &tau;&epsilon;&chi; 15:24, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

WCC article
The problem with the Wiesenthal center quote you provided is that it is written in a very vague tone. Perhaps we can include both sources? i believe my source is right to the point. I also believe that as this is mainstream news, a quote can be found from a more neutral source.

Guy Montag 03:32, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Howdy
Hi Paul foord! Just wanted to welcome you (I know, it's a bit late) and thank you for all the fantastic contributions you've been making to Wikipedia, especially with regards to Adelaide/Australia. Just wanted to make sure you know about the Australian resources on Wikipedia. Be sure to check out The Australia Wikiportal, Australian Wikipedians' Notice Board, Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight, New Australian Articles and Australian stub articles. Also, you can list yourself at Australian Wikipedians. Someone above has already made mention of the WikiProject Adelaide, so I don't really need to mention it again, but I will. Anyways, welcome and thanks again.--  Cyber  junkie  13:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Alan Walker page
Hi Paul. I hope you don't mind, but I disambiguated the Alan Walker link on your user page while I was doing all the others. I've moved the original page to Alan Walker (theologian) and fixed all the links I could that went to plain Alan Walker. There are two links left, and I don't know if they should point to one of the three Alan Walkers we know about, or a fourth one. --ScottDavis 10:34, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks Scott - one of them is a MacArthur Fellow 1988	Alan Walker (academic) Distinguished Professor of Anthropology and Biology, Pennsylvania State University Paul foord 13:25, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Manual of Style
Paul, it's been really nice to see the amount of material you've been writing, but it might be a good to take a look at the manual of style. There's a few things you tend to do in your articles that go against Wikipedia conventions, such as writing material in dot points instead of in writing it in prose. It'd be great if you could have a look through it, because I don't think it'd take much effort to make some of these articles much better. Ambi 5 July 2005 10:37 (UTC)


 * I could not find the info on dot points on manual of style nor elsewhere Paul foord 5 July 2005 13:04 (UTC)


 * I apologise - I pointed you to the wrong place. Nevertheless, it's something to be avoided - if you read through some other articles, you'll almost never find dot points used in favour of regular prose. Basil Hetzel is a good example of when not to use them - it's a standard biography article, and I don't think you'll find another example anywhere on Wikipedia where an article like this is written in dot points. You cover some really useful topics, but your contributions would be vastly more useful if you followed the same conventions that everyone else uses, saving other people the effort of coming in and cleaning up after you. Ambi 6 July 2005 14:09 (UTC)


 * My priority has been filling in gaps, I do go back and tidy articles. I have focused on trying to develop appropriate category relationships. Paul foord 6 July 2005 14:36 (UTC)


 * But that doesn't prevent you writing in prose. The information there is basically fine; it's that it isn't written in encyclopedia format that is the problem. Ambi 7 July 2005 02:22 (UTC)

Just to let you know - we generally capitalise proper nouns. So Category:Australian anglicans would be Category:Australian Anglicans. Ambi 08:04, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, it is confusing an earlier discussion about indigenous/Indigenous when talking about Australia went the other way Paul foord 08:11, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Indigenous footballers
Hi Paul, I've noticed you've added a large number of indigenous footballers on the to-do list. I wrote the Brisbane Bears article and can remember most players to have played for the club but I don't remember some of the people on the Bears' list at all, specifically:
 * Bradley Copeland
 * Jason Jones
 * Michael Rotumah
 * Roger Smith (AFL footballer)
 * Ricky Tilmouth

Can you enlighten me about these people at all? Were they drafted without playing an AFL game, perhaps?


 * I got them from the AFL site I think, but have a look at Aboriginal Football - All Stars and Aboriginal Football - Records. Sorry, I don't really have any depth of knowledge of AFL. Paul foord 01:47, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Blocked IP
Hi, I got your message. I don't see your IP address among the ones that are currently blocked. Judging from your message, what must have happened is that you shared an IP address with a vandal who got blocked. If you still can't log in, please send another message. Sorry about the inconvenience, --MarkSweep&#x270D; 02:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the Internode IP addresses

seem to be blocked at least weekly Paul foord 03:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 203.26.206.129
 * 203.26.206.130

Post-hardcore band list
Hi. Why did you create this separate page for post-hardcore bands? It seems unnecessary and non-standard given the relatively small number of bands (about thirty or forty) being listed: see post-punk for examples of both long and short lists that are well-incorporated into the main article and don't require a separate page. I'd say the immediacy of the list information is a virtue and that the list shouldn't be moved to it's own article unless post-hardcore gets to be more the size of hardcore punk. &mdash;Tarnas 23:20, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry it has taken a while to respond - I wanted to consider the answer and my IP has been blocked a few times im the meantime. The logic I had was, lists of bands lend themselves to cross referencing through categories, viz for Post-hardcore bands - Category:Punk rock groups, Category:Lists of musicians, Category:Musical groups by genre, Category:Hardcore punk groups, Category:Hardcore punk, etc. So the separate list can be quite valuable - next stsge is probably to build a page of Lists of lists of rock groups by genre Paul foord 13:15, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Good job!


This barnstar is awarded to Paul foord for creating large amounts of new articles and wikifying many existing ones. I'v seen your name a couple of places. Please keep up the good work. --Banana04131 22:57, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Math rock
Thanks for letting me know about the "math rock" box. Looks good but I think Cleveland maybe should be in the list of important cities, as we've had a few very good bands from here. Are you from Australia? Any math rock there? I liked an Australian indie rock band called Clouds which were very musically sophisticated (especially in their harmonies) but they no longer exist. Badagnani 19:39, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Eucharist
I appreciate your recent edits. You're really helping make the article more accessible. KHM03 15:39, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Anangu/Rhilla
Paul, do you know anything about whether the recent edits by User:202.152.39.187 are right? In particular to Aputula, South Australia, Imanpa, South Australia, Rhilla (already on AFD) and Arrernte. These need to be either reverted or wikified, but I don't know which. Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 09:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


 * For Arrernte, etc - Anangu is more Pitjantjatjara so appears not appropriate either (citations are needed if Anangu to be used). Rhilla is unknown as a self reference. Paul foord 06:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I've voted delete on Rhilla (at Articles for deletion/Rhilla) - you might like to as well. Do we need to fix Anangu to reduce/remove the Arrernte reference? The two town articles sound plausible, so I think I'll wikify them and hope they're accurate. --Scott Davis Talk 10:48, 11 October 2005 (UTC)


 * HI, excuse my butting in: it looks to me like Rhilla is a mis-spelling of the Arrernte word for 'person', arelhe (the initial 'a' is very weak). It's certainly correct that arnangu is not used by Arrernte people to refer to themselves. Also, while arelhe is an Arrernte word I don't think it is used much as a self-reference in the same way that Western Desert speakers use arnangu. Dougg 02:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

IB schools lists
Hi there, I noticed you've created List of International Baccalaureate schools offering the Primary Years Programme, List of International Baccalaureate schools offering the Middle Years Programme and List of International Baccalaureate schools offering the Diploma Programme. The problem with these is that they're merely duplicating the content in List of International Baccalaureate schools, and especially the Diploma Programme list is not doing much at all to facilitate navigation (since it's also very very long). Now, additions to one of these articles won't show up in any of the other, so we're now building two different lists of the same content. I'm going to list the three new lists for deletion, but I'd just like to hear your opinion on this first. - ulayiti (talk)  16:03, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Given the unwieldy size of the full list (particularly the Diploma Programme even the Diploma Programme list is very large) wouldn't it be better to have the separate lists linked from current List of International Baccalaureate schools with x-ref where more than one IB program offered Paul foord 14:10, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The lists are not very encyclopaedic anyhow, so I think it would make sense to include only those schools that have articles in Wikipedia (as suggested in Talk:List of International Baccalaureate schools). This would make the list a lot shorter and there wouldn't be a need for the additional lists. The arrangement now, however, is untenable since the lists are duplicated. And I don't see the point of having four articles whose encyclopaedic value is questionable instead of having just one, so I'm going to be bold and redirect the new articles to List of International Baccalaureate schools. Drop me a note on my talk page if you disagree with this. - ulayiti (talk)  14:34, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

musician categories
Hi Paul. While Categorization does not contain the instruction that I thought I remembered, that articles should never be placed in a category when they belong to a subcategory, it does discourage the practice. At any rate, removing Troy Cassar-Daley and others from does not at all imply that they are not of mainstream interest - it is simply acknowledging that they are part of a subcategory already listed in the category. JPD (talk) 15:35, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

A "Spirituality" portal
Hi Paul,

Some editors have been discussing the possibility of creating a “Spirituality” portal. What do you think of the idea? &mdash; RichardRDFtalk 14:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I entered some basics to get the ball rolling. I look forward to your participation in the Spirituality WikiProject and reading your contributions to the Spirituality portal. :-)   &mdash; RichardRDFtalk 00:42, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Heavy metal templates
I am reverting the template changes you have made to heavy metal music articles due to the fact that the template you are enforcing is the one which is less complete, and as such should not be the one in use. There was no consensus on the change, and as such, please do not insert it back once more. --Sn0wflake 15:03, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[] lesss complet formatts (i.e. the heavy meatal formatt) means not enfu info yo ya dig man/dude person Paul foord   antiedman 02:02 Am June/6th/2006

List of Christian alternative bands
I noticed that you made some kind of revision, but now I can't get the page to load. All I can see is a blank page. Any idea what happened? BrainyBroad 11:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. I knew as soon as I asked it would mysteriously reappear.  BrainyBroad 11:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
I pray you have a very merry Christmas and a truly blessed 2006. KHM03 19:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Blues box
Sorry for changing the background color of the blues box. Because of my browser settings, the link color in the box was blue (the browser default for links), making the text almost impossible to read. RexNL 02:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It took me some time before I found the music project and colour allocation, so no worries. Paul foord 02:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Barry Chant
Hi Paul, I see you have done most of the editing on this article. With WP:BIO in mind, may I suggest you edit it to make clear the subject's notability/inherent worthiness of inclusion within an encyclopedia. Also see WP:AWNB, where this discussion came up. cheers, pfctdayelise 15:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It's getting there. :) It looks a LOT better now. But I would still concentrate on making sure the lead really strongly explains why he is important, or what he has done that is significant: He was founding editor of Australia's New Day magazine. Well, so what? What is this magazine? What is its readership, distribution? Is it significant as the first magazine in its field? eg. He was founding editor of  New Day magazine, the first monthly publication in Australia devoted to pentecoastalism. Or whatever, obviously I don't know what this magazine is actually about. :)


 * And if you find yourself struggling to find things that the subject is notable for/about, then maybe that is a hint that they weren't that notable in the first place. That's not to say they don't deserve an article; but I find that putting energy into things that I'm certain deserve a place (eg Jimmy Little - nice work) is a priority over things that might be deleted. cheers, pfctdayelise

My RfA
Hi, we have worked together on William Rickett article. Can you spare a minute and look on my Requests for adminship/Alex Bakharev abakharev 00:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Men's Articles
Howdy, Paul. Just a note to say I've noticed all the good work you've done around the various men's movement articles and let you know it is appreciated. I was wondering if it wouldn't be more logical to include "pro-feminist men" as a sub-category of pro-feminism? I had started to do a separate article on the mythopoetic men's movement when it occurred to me it would be simpler for later linking and expansion if it simply included the women's portion as well, with different sections or paragraphs within the article. Given the current size of each article, what do you think? No need for a direct reply, but just something to think on... Thanks again for all the great work! - Rorybowman 20:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Reading both articles, pro-feminism and mythopoetic it struck me that each is broader than men. Having separate articles, esp the pro-feminist men one allows a better balance in pro-feminism because it is not about men, but is an important issue for men, but there are also women who call themselves pro-feminist.

Use of categories seemed to make better sense with the split.

With the mythopoetic article a split seems to make sense with reference to mythopoetic men or whatever and the feminist Feminist spirituality (as already noted). Paul foord 03:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Good work on the Fathers' Rights article. Paulleake 00:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Northern Land Council
When I was last in Darwin (1986 - 2004) I recall there was a NLC Office in Darwin in Casuarina. I did not find that in page you started. I think it was the main office. Am I wrong? Could be! Regards. Bduke 10:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Royal Commission referencing
I asked about the above on the talk page for List of Australian Royal Commissions. Paul foord 10:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I made a note on the talk page about the source I used to create the list. Sorry for the slow reply, I've been on holiday for two weeks. --bainer (talk) 07:22, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

World Alliance of Reformed Churches
Hi Paul Foord, I'd like to advice that I have plans to translate the article to portuguese. I am a pt user, but I'm not listed in en Wikipedia, so, I'm asking this. Thanks. 200.213.85.213 17:33, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Your welcome -- Paul foord 00:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

WP:AFL
G'day mate, wondering with your work on the obsolete Todo list of footballers, would you be interested in joining the new, much improved WikiProject AFL? Also take a look at Category:VFL/AFL players, which has come a looooong way. See ya there, Rogerthat 10:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Removal of items from Australian to-do list
Hi Paul. I'm working on a new version of AWNB and I was trying to reformat the table. I removed items that were long or not significant (which was subjective, I admit). The list is intended to be selective and should show a variety of topics.--cj | talk 10:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Please change categories
Hello. Why did'nt you change category Category:family to category:Families? there are also categories: category:Families by nationality, category:Nobility, category:Noble families --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 17:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I did not come across these other categories, have changed most of those previously incorrectly at Category:family. -- Paul foord 23:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Churches of North America
Hi Paul. Could you revisit this CfD and clarify or update your position? Thanks. ×Meegs 04:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome
thanks for your welcome. I did use 'helpme'. I also have a general question. What are the roles played by you and other who do not do direct editing in Wikipedia. How do you become recognized etc? I am trying to understand the formal/informal community I am now a part of. Anacapa 04:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Paul thanks for your response. Can you explain how you use your user page vs how you use your talk page? It seems I have them confused.

Anacapa 01:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Category:Franciscan Order
Created before I realised there was already a Category:Franciscan orders. I support the speedy deletion. -- Necrothesp 18:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Big Call
Hi Paul I was just looking throughh new article and spotted the one you created on religion in australia. In you made the following assertion Muslims had contact with Australia and her people before European settlement, Macassans (an ethnic group from eastern Indonesia) began visiting the Australia in the seventeenth century. can you show some referrences otherwise it's going to create some tensions as others find the page.

Also suggest more focus on the dreamtime as well as christian, the current format reads as if islam was here first and maintained a significant presence though it wasn't acknowledge officially, so therefore the country should be Islamic.

There are places like New Norcia with the benedictine monestary established in 1830 that would go well with this page. Also the missions in the north of WA, lots of scope to expand this page.

Its just some suggestions, well done on what you've got so farGnangarra 14:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Religion in Australia
nice edit to the intro it gives a more balanced read Gnangarra 09:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

dab
You've changed United Church to United Church of Canada twice on Winnipeg, Manitoba now. The reason I reverted your first change is that the source of those statistics says "United Church", it does not say "United Church of Canada". Any change of that might be considered interpretation of the data rather than just the data itself. Qutezuce 04:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * United Church is a redirect to United and uniting churches - a disambiguation page. Follow the links, if you go back to the census bureau you can clarify it - the level of interpretation is so trivial. Paul foord 04:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If you do a Google search on the Statistics Canada website (they are resposible for the census), there are 305 results for "United Church" (with quotes), but only 2 (actually only one, they are duplicates) for "United Church of Canada" (with quotes). There must be a reason that StatsCan never (or only on one old chart) uses the term "United Church of Canada". Based on this I plan on reverting your change. Qutezuce 05:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I have referred this discussion to the Talk:United Church of Canada page - NFA from me. Paul foord 05:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Stanner
Hi Paul, I've replied on my page. Dougg 02:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)