User talk:PaulineUnwin

Speedy deletion nomination of Albert Edward Bush
Hello PaulineUnwin,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Albert Edward Bush for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Nicky mathew (talk) 14:35, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Albert Edward Bush
Hello PaulineUnwin,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Albert Edward Bush for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. - Phill24th (talk). 16:58, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Albert Edward Bush
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I wanted to explain to you about the article about your great-grandfather. I have removed the tag requesting speedy deletion, because I don't think it qualifies for speedy deletion. However, the article might still be deleted under one of Wikipedia's other, less hasty methods of deciding whether to keep an article: WP:Proposed deletion and WP:Articles for deletion.

Here's the problem: Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia, and in order to have an article here, we require independent sources of information. In this case, all the information comes from a family member. I'm sure it is true and accurate, and you have written the article with care and love. But Wikipedia requires independent published sources. It sounds like your great-grandfather was an interesting and important man, but we need to PROVE that. Do you have anything - newspaper clippings, MBE citation, etc. - that could be used as independent confirmation of this information? If so, tell me here at your talk page; I will see it. I'm also going to request a friend to take a look at the article and see if he thinks it can be rescued. --MelanieN (talk) 21:41, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi. I have had a thorough look, including the British Newspaper Archives to see what I can find. There is an Albert Edward Bush mentioned several times in the London Gazette, which is exactly where an MBE recipient should be. From having had a cursory look at the required standards, I believe that British military personnel have to have achieved at least the Victoria Cross to be considered independently notable and able to have a standalone article. I don't wish to disparage or play down anything that he did, but a lot of people received MBEs for services to their country, so just winning one isn't as significant as it might appear. Frankly when you've stood outside the Menin Gate in Ypres (as I have) and understood what people went through in World War I it really puts some of the silly arguments I've seen elsewhere on Wikipedia into very harsh perspective, and we can be proud of what he did for his country, but I'm afraid none of that actually makes him worthy of note for a standalone article in Wikipedia. The only other option I can advise is to ask some of the more experienced editors on WikiProject Military History who may be able to help, but if they are unable to, I'm afraid we might have to move to a proposed or discussed deletion as described above. Sorry. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  22:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Albert Edward Bush deletion
Hi,

Thanks for your research. I do not have much more information on my Great Grandfather, my Aunt almost certainly did but her notes on him end abruptly, she died before finishing them. I found references to him in the London Gazette, in Wikipedia's list of 1920 Honours, and in Ancestry - the list of pilots wings. I have no idea if there is any other published material about him for example about what he tested / flew or what he achieved during his tenure as Chief Engineer at Daimler, I haven't been able to find anything online.

However, all that is irrelevant if the "notability" requirement is not fulfilled by him having won an MBE. This is all I know about him so I can't expand on it.

Therefore I assume the article will be deleted and I can't contest it.

Br, Pauline Unwin
 * Thanks for understanding. I know how you feel. I feel the same way about my grandmother, who was a medical missionary in India, and whose unpublished memoirs are in several libraries. I think she was wonderful and notable, but I don't have the third-party sources to prove it, so I know she does not qualify for an article here. I hope you won't let this discourage you, and will continue to edit Wikipedia. My suggestion: just read some articles of interest to you, and when you find an error or something that needs expanding, just do it. --MelanieN (talk) 17:20, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Both Melanie and I subscribe to the ethos of "please do not bite the newcomers", which means we always try to deliver a positive and encouraging word to new editors. If you live anywhere near Kew, I can thoroughly recommend a trip to the National Archives. They have a huge collection of military history records with a vast array of publicly recorded activity of British military personnel for the last couple of hundred years, and are a great place to find out about your family background. They are also very helpful and accommodating to visitors, and on Saturdays I've seen busloads of people turning up to research their family's wartime activities. The Society of Genealogists may also be able to give more information. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:12, 11 April 2015 (UTC)`