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Deep Water Blackout
Apologies, Pbsouthwood but the Deep water blackout disambiguation page copped it for not complying with MOS:DAB. I made it comply but it doesn't leave much. One link per entry. No refs. Brief description. E x nihil (talk) : Ex nihil (talk) 14:28, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , No worries, I had forgotten those restrictions. I would still like a clearer explanation to exist on Wikipedia (even an archaic term has encyclopedic relevance), so will have to find a better place for it than no comment on the linked page. Possibly a link to an entry in the glossary. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 05:31, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Peter

You're unlikely to remember me but I made a number of contributions in the diving area (solodiving, pony bottles, various diving personalities etc) quite a few years ago. Unfortunately I ended up in a bit of a flame war on the subject of DIR and that practices rigidity, in my own subject contribution and various sources I referenced in that areas. I went off in a huff. All water under the bridge looking back on it now. That's not what I'm contacting you about.

I was trying to get the history of the development of the BCD correct in my mind and triggered a search on Google. There in Wiki was an outstanding treatment of that detailed subject area within a comprehensive coverage of the designs, functions and utilisation of the BCD. Just one topic in the myriad of scuba diving information which is now present on Wikipedia today. A treatment of the practices of our sport as comprehensive as any major general text on the subject which is available today.

And much of the credit belongs to you.

Just in case it isn't done too often I'd like to offer you my profound thanks for the excellent work you've done on behalf of the diving community. I'm sure that so many divers would echo this thanks if they only knew the effort and diligent work that goes into making a Wiki subject area,

My best regards and wishes for many enjoyable future diving days to you

HowieKor


 * Hi, It is good to hear from you again. I remember you most times I edit the DIR article, with some feelings of nostalgia. I am glad you appreciate the quality of our articles on diving. I have put many hours of work into them, and keep finding more to do, but the dynamic of cooperative editing can generate improvement beyond what I can do by myself.
 * If you ever decide to come back and edit again, feel welcome, at least from me. If not, you are always welcome to leave a suggestion for improvement and a link to a good reference on the talk page of the relevant article, on my talk page or on the project talk page, and I will try to make good use of them. I am always looking for the gaps in our coverage.
 * My diving continues to be a major focus of my life. As I write this I am away for a Diving Advisory Board meeting and dive school audit, and you can see the results of my recreational dives on Wikivoyage too, at voy:Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay, where I produce lots of original research on my local dive sites which would not be welcome here until it gets published somewhere else. You might feel inclined to add a few articles there on the dive sites you know best.
 * Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 13:34, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

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Copying licensed material requires attribution
Hi. I see in a recent addition to Scuba diving tourism you included material from a webpage that is available under a compatible Creative Commons Licence. That's okay, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. I've added the attribution for this particular instance. Please make sure that you follow this licensing requirement when copying from compatibly-licensed material in the future. You can do it manually like I did, or use the template. Thanks, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:11, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi I thought I had avoided using too much of the standard phraseology in my summary, but it seems I missed the mark a bit. When I saw the copyvio flag I made some more changes, but the iThenticate report did not change, and seems to stick at the original edit. What is one supposed to do about that? It is difficult to tell if it has been fixed enough. Also that text is no longer in the article, it was split out and modified in the destination article, where there was no copyvio warning.
 * Should I leave your notice? The documentation on seems to say it should not be used unless the content has been copied, but does not mention what happens if that content is removed. My guess is that as it was once there and remains in the history, the notice could stay, as it is the nature of CC-by material to be changed. On the other hand, if a reference is not in use it should be removed from the reflist or it will cause a warning message, and like the original content, the cc-notice remains in the history, but in this case the reference is still in use for another statement, where the paraphrasing is less close, so there is no reason to say content that remains was copied. It is a bit complicated.
 * I tried to work out how to add the CC attribution. It is a thing that I almost never need to do, so I tend to forget the code. Thanks for doing it for me. I would generally choose to recognise an author for making their material free licensed even if I thought I was changing it beyond the necessary requirements. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 13:27, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Peter. I am on the fence about this and not sure. The old versions are still present in the history, so it might be better to leave it in if the older revisions are less thoroughly paraphrased. On the other hand if you remove it, the notice itself is present in the history, fulfilling our attribution requirement! I don't know the answer.I find the template awkward to use, so I take copy-pasta from my sandbox (this one) - just open it in an editing window and there's all kinds of things ready to copy. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:42, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again. After thinking about it for a few more minutes and running in through Earwig's tool I've decided to remove the attribution. Whether this is the legally correct thing to do is still an open question however :) — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . And you are the expert...
 * Like someone else says, "Its not what I know, its what I can remember in time". In the same vein, I make little notes for future reference, then forget where I put them or what search string would find them. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 14:26, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

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New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 15
Newsletter • September 2019

A final update, for now:

The third grant-funded round of WikiProject X has been completed. Unfortunately, while this round has not resulted in a deployed product, I am not planning to resume working on the project for the foreseeable future. Please see the final report for more information.

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Small-world routing
Bringing this here as I don't know what to do with it and your name is at wikiproject technology. Is the subject of this article, like, a thing? Has one single source. Please take a look. Thanks! Hydromania (talk) 06:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , The topic is rather specialised and completely out of my field of competence, but it looks legitimate at face value, and the single reference is a chapter out of what appears to be a fairly major reference work by authors who check out as apparently notable in their field. Topic gets Google hits that look sufficient for general notability, and I would guess there is plenty of material for expansion when the right editor gets around to it. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 09:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Outline of occupational safety and health


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Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!
Hello,

Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.

I would like to ask you to take part in Google Code-In as a mentor. That would mean to prepare at least one task (it can be documentation related, or something else - the other categories are Code, Design, Quality Assurance and Outreach) for the participants, and help the student to complete it. Please sign up at the contest page and send us your Google account address to google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org, so we can invite you in!

From my own experience, Google Code-In can be fun, you can make several new friends, attract new people to your wiki and make them part of your community.

If you have any questions, please let us know at google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org.

Thank you!

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