User talk:Pbsouthwood/Archive 2

MEDMOS
Per WP:MEDMOS we do not typically use see also sections. I see this an an extension of "not being a collection of links". Cheers Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:42, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure in the exact text is here MEDMOS "Avoid the See also section when possible; prefer wikilinks in the main article and navigation templates at the end." If you look at most of our medical GAs and FAs they do not have this section. Sorry about the above grammar. Was interrupted half way through my writing.-- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Divemaster
Thanks for your efforts at Talk:Divemaster, Peter. It is appreciated. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks RexxS, I hope the others take it in the spirit it was intended. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:38, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I did... thanks. --Ckatz chat spy  16:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

July 2012 Study of authors of health-related Wikipedia pages
Dear Author/Pbsouthwood

My name is Nuša Farič and I am a Health Psychology MSc student at the University College London (UCL). I am currently running a quantitative study entitled Who edits health-related Wikipedia pages and why? I am interested in the editorial experience of people who edit health-related Wikipedia pages. I am interested to learn more about the authors of health-related pages on Wikipedia and what motivations they have for doing so. I am currently contacting the authors of randomly selected articles and I noticed that someone at this address recently edited an article on Avascular nerosis. I would like to ask you a few questions about you and your experience of editing the above mentioned article and or other health-related articles. If you would like more information about the project, please visit my user page (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hydra_Rain) and if interested, please reply via my talk page or e-mail me on nusa.faric.11@ucl.ac.uk. Also, others interested in the study may contact me! If I do not hear back from you I will not contact this account again. Thank you very much in advance. Hydra Rain (talk) 18:47, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Pbsouthwood! Thank you for your interest in my study. :) If you could fill in the following questionnaire please https://opinio.ucl.ac.uk/s?s=18871 If you would be interested in being interviewed, either via Skype, phone, or e-mail (where  you can return your answers in a written format at any time) please just let me know via talk page or email: nusa.faric.11@ucl.ac.uk. Thank you! Nuša Hydra Rain (talk) 22:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Updated your common.css
Just a note that I updated your user CSS per your post on the village pump. You may need to do a hard refresh (Ctrl or Shift or Cmd depending on OS/browser + F5) to see the effect. Regards, - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 18:38, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for your contribution to the under water terminology wiki!

Epicbobman10 (talk) 16:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC) 

DSU
DSU. (Deep Salvage Unit) In consideration that I served in one after my time in Bomb and Mine I know far more about these units than you. I spent all my Military service in underwater clearance. Not everything in life can be found on google.I will re-instate my information which is FACT! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bekomil (talk • contribs) 09:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

The Deep Salvage Unit forms part of the Deep Submergence Unit, its a Sub Unit (excuse the pun).The primary duty of this unit is SALVAGE, whereas the submersion unit's is LOCATING to enable the SALVAGE if required,got it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bekomil (talk • contribs) 12:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Hi Peter, Thanks for the advice (re:Sidemount page). I'll read up on COI and NOR right now. I have quoted my own published (online/web) writing - but that, in turn, was based on several references - both written (PADI/ANDI instructor manuals), some presentations I attended and discussions with some of the leading sidemount diving proponents. Not sure how to reference all of those beyond my own work?

(My thoughts are that if I reference an Agency Instructor Manual, then it will cause more aggravation and arguement. I had hoped to keep it generic, for that reason)

My original work (published on my website) was always intended to be 'agency neutral' and to reflect a non-specific approach to sidemount diving. Can you explain how I can be more open about a potential COI? I'm happy to share that work.. but simply want to reference it, as my article goes beyond what I've put into the wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devondiver (talk • contribs) 08:09, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I approached Wikipedia because I received several reports that the Sidemount page was quite inconsistent, or plain misleading, compared with what is being taught by the leading proponents and training agencies.

Cheers, Andy 08:04, 19 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devondiver (talk • contribs)


 * Andy,


 * I have been reading your website, and I do get your point, but a training agency website is considered a reliable source for the training agency's policies and procedures, and can be used freely for that. Citing two or more training agencies that have a similar policy establishes a trend, though it is often advisable not to say so outright, and leave it to the reader to make the synthesis (this avoids being accused of original research). Citing another agency's website for an opposing view is desirable for neutral point of view, but obviously only if an opposing policy exists.


 * What you have been doing today by adding references is good. Add them as they become available, and concentrate on points which might be controversial. A lot of your material is not controversial to me, but who knows, someone may disagree. Supporting stuff you have had arguments about in the past may be a good place to start.


 * Where the existing material disagrees with what is being taught by leading proponents and training agencies it should be possible to cite them to show that this is the case.


 * On Wikipedia a lot of material is added by people who are not experts. This is why the requirement for reliable references is taken so seriously, as it is the first line of defence against bullshit. The majority of editors are also anonymous or pseudonymous, and even when they declare themselves, it has been known for some to be major con artists, so even if you are an expert, you still have to be able to reference your work. People here judge you by what you do, not by who you say you are.


 * For what its worth, I think your website is acceptably neutral and well written, but that is just me. Other opinions may differ.


 * It seems like you are picking up the system as you go along. Keep going. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Peter... I'm getting there, I think. Have spent a rainy Manila afternoon sourcing some of the documents I've read over the past 2 years and adding them to the article as references. Please let me know any feedback from the current form of the article. Cheers! Devondiver (talk) 09:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks like it. I think you have some previous experience with webpage editing to help you along. I will go take another look now. At least your rainy Manila weather is probably warmer than my rainy Cape Town weather. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 10:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Peter, on another note - I have a few sidemount photos that would help illustrate the article. I only created my account today - is it correct that I have to wait 4 days before I can post photos? Would be grateful of advice on that process. Cheers, 15:45, 19 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devondiver (talk • contribs)


 * It's a long time since I created my account, so I dont remember the details, but I think you are right, there is a few days delay before you can upload to commons. I will try to look up the details. The information will be somewhere, but not neccessariliy where you think it will be. The process is not difficult, but as usual, there are some things which are not obvious. It is easiest if the material is of your own creation. That reduces the copyright/permission problem to clicking a box. Uploading for someone else is possible but much more complicated.
 * First go to Wikimedia Commons, which is the media repository for all Wikimedia projects.
 * Click on the Create account/Log on link, top right and create an account if you haven't already done so, or log on if you have.
 * Once logged on, click on Upload file link in the left side menu.
 * This will open the Upload Wizard menu which is easier to use then the old system, and allows easy uploads of multiple images.
 * Click on the box in the middle with the words "Select a media file to donate" This will open your file directory.
 * Navigate in the usual way until you find the file you want to upload, select it and click "Open".
 * The wizard will upload the file and allow you to repeat the operation by clicking on "Add another file", until you have selected all you want, or maybe it hits a limit.
 * When you have selected enough to go on with, click "Continue"
 * This takes you to the "Release rights" page. If the files are your own work click on the radiobox "These files are my own work"
 * A box with your username will come up in some text releasing the files by CC-by-sa 3.0 which is the defalt and which I always use. You can edit to your real name if you want, and can choose other licence options, which I have never bothered with. When this is done, click "Next"
 * You should be on the description page, where you can choose the name of the file as it will be on commons, add a description, and categories (Underwater diving is OK for category) and other data if you want, and when finished click "next" which will complete the upload.
 * You should then see a thumbnail image, a formatted Wikilink and a URL for each file, The wikilink or URL can be copied and pasted to the place you want to use them in Wikipedia or anywhere else. When done you can click on the "Go to mainpage" or leave by whatever means you choose. I always get a dialog box which warns me that I haven't finished, but I think that is a bug.
 * If you want to look up the files you have uploaded on commons you can click on "My uploads" top right, and it will list all your uploads in reverse chronological order, with thumbnails.
 * I suggest you log on to commons and create an account as soon as possible. Try using your Wikipedia username and password to see if works first. It might. Then click the upload file link. If it doesn't give you a message that you can't upload, you probably can.
 * And that, I think, is about it. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Diving instructor
Hey Pbsouthwood, I'm posting this message on your talk page because I noticed that you've recently created the new article Diving instructor--The layout of the article makes it very clear.However, I noticed there are some holes that may need filling: the article does not contain in-line citations, and so doesn't follow Wikipedia style guidelines. It would be great if you could also improve the related article Frogman.

It's always nice to see users contributing to make Wikipedia better! Amy Z (talk) 02:24, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Amy Z, I have put your requests for improvements of Frogman and Diving instructor on the Portal:Underwater diving/Opentask 'to do' list. I expect to get around to them some time, but not necessarily soon. If there is anything that you think needs urgent attention, I will sort it out when the problems have been specified in more detail.


 * The Diving instructor article is very rudimentary at present, and I don't see where more in-line citations are necessary, as the current information is not what I would consider controversial. Nevertheless, feel free to request citation for any specific statement and I will see what I can find.


 * The Frogman article is more clearly in need of improvement, It is a bit of a chimaera, and should probably be split, renamed, and parts merged into other articles, but military diving is not my field of expertise or special interest, so it is relatively low on my priorities. If there are specific issues that you think should be improved urgently, specify them and I will see what I can do. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Pbsouthwood,


 * Thank you for getting back to me. Sorry for the late response.


 * I am a researcher at Carnegie Mellon University examining how to make interaction in Wikipedia more effective. Our research has shown that certain types of feedback encourage Wikipedians to edit more while others seem to discourage them.  Experienced and less experienced Wikipedians seem to have different reactions to very similar feedback. I am interested in interviewing you about your reaction to the message I sent you. A discussion with you will help us better understand the types of feedback that can encourage newcomers's participation to Wikipedia without turning off old-timers.


 * I can talk with you via online chat, on Skype, over the phone, or just through Wikipedia messages if you are more comfortable with that. The interview should take take less than 60 minutes.  You do need to be over 18 years old, and consent to be a part of the study in order to for me to interview you.  This study has been approved by Carnegie Mellon's research ethics committee (the IRB), and the Wikipedia Research Committee.


 * Thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you soon. We will be glad to send you a draft describing our research results right after the interview.


 * Amy Z (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Amy, I don't use Skype and I am in Cape Town, so probably easiest through Wikipedia messages or direct e-mail. (contact me through WP e-mail facility in sidebar menu). &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hey Peter!

So glad to see you here; I'm impressed with your contributions! I saw your name mentioned on the Wikitravel RFC summary and thought I should check who it was.

Are you aware of the South African Wiki Loves Monuments photo competition running throughout September? Part of the competition is to propose sites that should be listed and preserved. I think you might have some valuable input, both in terms of photographs of existing monuments and proposals.

Cheers, David --Slashme (talk) 14:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * David,
 * Can't say I'm surprised to find you here, Can say it's good to find you here.
 * I have seen the banner for Wiki Love Monuments, but haven't had sufficient urge to investigate further yet. I take it you were at Meta in connection with the photo competition. As it happens I am involved in running an underwater photo competition this weekend as part of the Cape Town Dive Festival, where we are having a species shootout, so I an expecting a weekend of hard work and not enough sleep. That and the Wikitravel contents migration and cleanup look as if they will be keeping me overworked for the next month. Keep in touch as the mood dictates. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually I saw the stuff on meta because it was posted on one of the Wikimedia Foundation mailing lists (Wikimedia-l, I think). I've been following them since I became a director of Wikimedia South Africa (which you are of course invited to join!) I just googled the CTDF, and it looks like you're doing some extremely cool stuff, as usual, so I hope it all goes well! --Slashme (talk) 00:40, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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Confédération Mondiale des Activités Subaquatiques
Hi Peter, if you get a chance, would you cast your eye over the recent edits to Confédération Mondiale des Activités Subaquatiques, please? I've reverted a pile of nonsense once but the IP has simply put it back. I've made my feelings known clearly at the talk page, but it obviously needs a third opinion to make any impression on the dispute. Thanks --RexxS (talk) 05:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Dive sites
Hi Peter, I look at Wikivoyage with particular focus on localities in South Australia (SA) where diving takes place. I found Wikivoyage to be very basic and needing a lot of work in order to match the SA government's tourism website. I did a few minor edits to correct potentially misleading information. I am not really sure how dive sites can be included apart from specifying a site's location, its maximum depth and commonly-known hazards with the intention that the traveller works out the rest. I may think about adding information later when I have some spare time. Cowdy001 (talk) 06:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Peter, the article ‘Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay’ is very impressive and a very good benchmark for any future works; also the provision of the link showed me where all of the scuba diving content is located. The SA government webpage is at http://www.southaustralia.com/things-to-do/adventure-diving-snorkelling.aspx.  This page and those linked to it has various problems including lots of minor errors, incorrectly attributed photos (i.e. photo taken at a completely different site) and listing of sites that no one ever dives at!  I can now see some immediate value in Wikivoyage.  I have starting looking at the Australian content and started replacing erroneous content.  I am also interested in adding content about diving with Leafy Seadragons as I have noticed that this is a regular question on the Australia page on ScubaBoard. Cowdy001 (talk) 02:48, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Cowdy, Thanks for the link. Glad to hear that you are doing some editing. I will keep a lookout for your contributions and hope to see some interesting edits. Shout if you want any help, suggestions, etc. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Side Mount / Sidemount revisions
Regards your recent revision to the Sidemount wiki. There is popular use of the spelling 'side mount' (two words) as well as 'sidemount' (single word). Not sure how we settle on a singular usage - however, most of the agencies (PADI, SSI, TDI, UTD etc) refer to their courses using the single word spelling: "Sidemount". It seems more logical to me that this is the spelling to go for... as this is what divers will be learning in their classes and have on their certification cards. Thanks, Andy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devondiver (talk • contribs) 15:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this is an example of a general trend in the creation of neologisms in English. Two words often used together to express a single idea often become hyphenated and later compounded as a single word, "side mount" -> "side-mount" -> "sidemount". Sometimes the hyphenated form is omitted, as in "wet suit/wetsuit", etc. It's also been observed that British English is often slower to adopt these changes than American English, and that produces a difference in what people are used to in different parts of the world. As long as we have redirects, both Side mount and Sidemount are perfectly viable search terms (as are Sidemount diving and Side mount diving - I've just created the former as a redirect), so anyone searching will still arrive at the article. I'm sure that at some point in the future, "Sidemount" will have become the commonest usage, but I doubt that the question is worth worrying about right now. --RexxS (talk) 16:30, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I wondered a bit myself. I guess I was influenced by having "Side Mount Profiles" in front of me at the time, otherwise would probably have gone with the one word version. If anyone wants to change it and fix the links, go ahead, I will be quite happy with it. Otherwise, agree with RexxS on the probable future development of the term. Out here in South Africa we have a bit of a tendency to follow the Afrikaans habit of stringing words together, so maybe it was a bit of a backlash reaction from me. Nice to see that others are watching the articles. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 17:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

DiverGuard
Thanks Pbsouthwood for your note. I know this company, DiverGuard, and i asked their permission to use this photo. Because i know this company, i didn't linked to their website, because i thought it will be inappropriate. As you know i am a new contributor, and i hope to edit more, so i didn't classified correct the picture. I changed the picture now to a picture i really took by myself. I will be happy to know how to change the "auther" or how to delete the old version.... :-) For some reason the new photo not shown in the diving equioment page. Thanks again Owlook — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owlook (talk • contribs) 22:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Owlook, Thanks for clarification. The old image had been deleted already and the link on the equipment page has been fixed, so it is all sorted out. No further action is necessary. If you want to reload the black and blue photo, you will need written permission from the copyright holder/author. Your replacement photo is better for the purpose anyway, so probably not worth the hassle. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Diving Medicine
Hey Pbsouthwood, I was unfamiliar with the format that was on the diving medicine page (I've never seen a page written like that ever) and I just stuck to normal prose format. My bad for not going to the talk page first to talk about that, but I felt compelled to help correct the content. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 15:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Please continue to correct/improve content, I am somewhat out of my depth on medical topics, but someone has to do it...
 * The templated term/definition formatting is an option for lists which I thought might be suitable to avoid too much sectionalisation and a huge ToC. The problem with your change is that it breaks the formatting of section levels - either the whole section must be in templated list or in normal subsections. If the Project Medicine people prefer one or the other, I would just like to know, so it can be kept consistent, Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:04, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling there is no strong preference in terms of formatting one way or the other with respect to how it was being formatted before or how I formatted the section I worked on. I just know how to format it the way I did, that's the only reason I put it in that format. The other method is completely unfamiliar to me but it might be considered acceptable, I really wouldn't know. At this point, considering that it's a brand new article and still being developed, I would just say keep at it. If the formatting is incorrect, someone will come along and correct it and let you guys know. All the best, TylerDurden8823 (talk) 16:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, Thanks for the comments, I will carry on until challenged, or I change my mind. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Autopatrol
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 * Hi Yeller21, I'm sure you are right. I would be quite happy to be autopatrolled, but as this would not make any noticeable difference in my life I have not bothered to request it. If it would make life easier for the new page patrollers, feel free to nominate me or if you are an admin, flip the bit. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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marine animals fo the cape peninsula
jeepers, Pbsouthwood, that poor article has fallen right off my priority list.. if you want to zoot it up and put it into mainspace you're welcome.. I really have had absolutely NO spare time over the last few months and the next few aren't looking that great.. but I will for sure put it back on the list if you think I should... Seascapeza (talk) 15:19, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * If you don't think you will have the time, why not bung it into mainspace and leave a few notes on the talk page about what still needs to be done. You have done a lot of work there which is wasted at the moment, and I would like to get it into workable shape. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:02, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

@ User:Jmh649/Will Beback
Your comment...''How is it possible to demonstrate to the Arbitration Committee that his history of disruptive conduct will not continue? It seems unreasonable to require proof of future behaviour without allowing future activity.'' was the best comment among many. Most of the opposes responded to the psuedo-RfC rather than support or non-support of the ban. Only a dozen or so actually speak against lifting the ban. ```Buster Seven   Talk  22:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

diving

 * What sorts of rebreather scuba do you use? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have a Draeger Ray which I don't use much, and a IDA71 out of the box that I was planning to modify, but never got around to. Also have recently been given a PVR-BASC which needs to be checked for functionality. I hope to get some good photos while I am busy looking it over. I have also dived a standard Draeger Dolphin which belonged to a friend, and occasionally design and make parts for a variety of associates who are home builders/modifiers. Mostly I just dive OC as it suits the work I do better. Its mostly my mates who dive them. Why do you ask? &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have scuba dived much including some dives with rebreathers. I have made CGI models of scuba divers. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:30, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted
Hi Pbsouthwood, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Happy editing! ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 21:34, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your article creations! Some of the earlier ones could use a little TLC (South African Underwater Sports Federation, List of military diving units, List of underwater divers, List of researchers in underwater diving, Booster pump) in terms of references, but on the whole they're pretty solid.  Please make sure everything is tip top and thanks again! ~  Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 21:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Deep air/extended range diving
I see you added a 'citation needed' tag to the claim about french agencies training to 60m on air. The two certifications are PE60 (air to 60m with qualified guide) and PA60 (air to 60m autonomous)

I don't know how to add citations but the three major french certification agencies qualififications are desribed on their official websites:


 * The FFESSM cursus for PE60 is here: http://www.ffessm.fr/gestionenligne/manuel/43_Qualification_PE60m.pdf http://www.ffessm.fr/gestionenligne/manuel/09_Plongeur_niveau_3.pdf
 * An outline of the ANMP certifications including PA60 and PE60 is here: http://www.ffessm.fr/gestionenligne/manuel/09_Plongeur_niveau_3.pdf
 * The FSGT cursus including PA60 and PE60 is here: http://www.plongee.fsgt.org/IMG/pdf/Manuel_Moniteur-2.pdf

These are in french, of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.245.228.100 (talk) 10:51, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I will look them up and add the citations if I can understand them. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:51, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * FFESSM reference looks OK
 * FSGT reference looks OK
 * ANMP reference given is the same ref as for FFESSM to 40m, and makes no mention of 60m. It may be that they use the same standards, but my French is not good enough to verify. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 13:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * RexxS knows French if you need help. I am looking for the other reference for you (not sure how much I'll find though). --Gene Hobbs (talk) 12:31, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gene, Good luck. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 13:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The way things work in France is that the certification levels are defined by law in the 'Code du Sport' and the five state sanctioned certification agencies are the only people (plus CMAS) allowed to hand out the "60m on air" qualifications - a PE60 or PA60 from one is by definition equivalent to all the others. Sorry about messing up the ANMP reference, try here: http://www.anmp-plongee.com/texte/cursus_anmp.pdf 78.245.228.100 (talk) 16:35, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Which are the five state sanctioned agencies? Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In no particular order: Fédération Française d’Etudes et de Sports Sous-Marins (FFESSM), la Fédération Sportive et Gymnique du Travail (FSGT), l’Union nationale des Centres sportifs de Plein Air (UCPA), l’Association Nationale des Moniteurs de Plongée (ANMP), le Syndicat National des Moniteurs de Plongée (SNMP) and the international Confédération Mondiale des Activités Subaquatiques (CMAS). Of these, the FFESSM is far-and-away the biggest, followed by the ANMP with the rest together probably not making up more than 10% of certifications.78.245.228.100 (talk) 19:36, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, on a related subject I see in the same paragraph ..in Europe some countries set the recreational diving diving limit to 50m... with a reference to BSAC. This doesn't seem at all correct to me as BSAC does not represent the country. This is unlike the case in France and I believe some other European countires where the limit actually is imposed by the government. Perhaps a better phrasing might be "..some European agencies set the recreational diving limit to.." 78.245.228.100 (talk) 14:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Peter, thanks for preparing the ‘Template:Underwater sports'. I have the following comment - there needs to be a ‘snorkelling’ group as most of the freeswimming sub-disciplines are surface swims using mask, fins and snorkel. Also, I understand that future CMAS UW Photography Championships (which include 2 sports - UW Photography & UW Videography) will permit the use of rebreathers. BTW, thanks for the UW Orienteering course diagrams. At a later time, I will upload articles for the UW Orienteering European Championships and the World Cup after some further research. Whilst searching for UW Orienteering reference, I found a list of CMAS Orienteering Commission contacts as of 2009 which included the following person - Martin VAN VEELEN P.O.Box 99590 Garsfontein East 0060 South Africa. Do you know Martin? Cowdy001 (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Cowdy, thanks for the feedback. I will put in a snorkelling group, and if you feel the need to edit the navbox to suit your needs, go ahead. You are more in touch with that side of diving than I am.
 * Yes, I know Martin, but have not had contact for over 10 years, since the last time I swam in a competition, and I don't have email for him. He will remember me, I think. Is there something you want from him? Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 10:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Template updated. Not sure if its exactly what you were looking for, so change it if it isn't. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * HI Peter, Thanks for the Navbox upgrade.  I will probably make the following split at a future time.  As UW Wrestling, the Finswimming apnoea events, Freediving and UW Ice Hockey do not use snorkels, I may group these as breath-hold sports.  The following could be grouped as combined snorkelling/breath-hold sports - UW Football, Hockey, Rugby, Spearfishing & Target Shooting.  This would leave the Finswimming surface swimming events as the sole pure 'snorkelling' sport.  I may also add the Sporting Governing bodies.  Martin - as he is the only person from a country with a substantial English speaking population on the CMAS Orienteering Commission (refer http://www.cmas.org/orienteering/about-2012032627), I was wondering if he had any access to the following: digital photos of actual orienteering events that could be uploaded to Wikimedia and reliable sources for the following World Championships - 10th to 13th.  Cowdy001 (talk) 12:00, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Appropriate breakdown. I have made the changes to the formatting, and will leave it to you to fill in further details. I will see if I can find Martin's address. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:52, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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She's all yours. :) Crum375 (talk) 20:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Hope I have not opened a can of worms... &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:57, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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You're right, Peter, I'll fix this very soon. Regards. Kintaro (talk) 23:56, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
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Peter, I noticed your edit of Underwater hockey (UWH). It appears that you may have heard some news about the resolution of the political controversy. I noticed that the key players in the World Aquachallenge Association (WAA) were re-elected to the CMAS Underwater Hockey Commission in April. Also, I read that the CMAS Vice-president flew to Australia to talk to the AUF President in late 2011. Despite what is said on the WAA website about it being the peak governing body, its intent has stated in some online sources as being the reform of CMAS. Several years of stalemate in UWH international competition has forced CMAS to listen. In particular, you may have noticed that underwater hockey is not longer in the CMAS Games. I have some plans to tidy up the UWH article including moving most of the content from the governance section to an article which I have in draft form about WAA. Overall, the UWH article is quite poor because it does not adequately describe the subject matter. There is too much trivial detail while important information is missing such as the origins of the sport’s current name or details of events available at international level. Given its age, it should be now a mature article with edits only being required for maintenance reasons. Cowdy001 (talk) 20:02, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for the post on my talk page, Scuba skills looks OK from an initial look. I will look at it in detail over the next week & reply with comments if I see anything needing attention. Cowdy001 (talk) 06:14, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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Tsunami
See Tsunami Facts and Information on the Australian government website. I presume that this is a reliable source consistent with some of your summary. I am still reviewing the tsunami section, but I am finding reliable sources difficult to find by internet searches. Snowman (talk) 22:18, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That is a very well written summary and entirely consistent with what I have read elsewhere in more technical sources. The only caution I would add is that where they use a formula to compare wave height in deep and shallow water, the deep water is deeper than the shallow water, but still shallow water in terms of the wave equations. That formula is not valid for true deep water waves which are unaffected by the bottom. Tsunamis are by the nature of their generation, generally shallow water waves, and propagate as such. I would be quite prepared to accept the Australian government's department of meteorology as a reliable tertiary source on this matter. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:28, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have tried to write in the new reference, but I have might not have found the right words. Snowman (talk) 19:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I made a few small amendments and added a sentence on refraction causing focusing, as it is quite important for understanding the distant effects. I left urls for a few appropriate references for focusing, choose whichever you prefer. I think the meaning I have conveyed is precise, but you might prefer to re-state it for reasons of style. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:04, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It looks fine to me. I think that the concepts shine through. I was interested to see the word "refraction" used for water waves. After thinking about defraction (interference related) and refraction, the similarity with light waves was clear. Snowman (talk) 09:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The style was worked over by me and User Cwmhiraeth and I would be grateful if you could have a look to see if anything has been broken. Actually, User Cwmhiraeth complained about the bare urls, thinking that I put them there, and a few other things, see her edit of 4 Oct 2013. Please reply over there. Snowman (talk) 16:27, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Your efforts to correct and tidy up the information on the scientific aspects of the article are appreciated. My only complaint with regard to your actions was that you left those bare url references in the tsunami section. It was more than twelve hours before I noticed them but I can see from the above conversation that Snowman knew they were there but did nothing about formatting them. My complaint was about the fact that Snowman, exceeding his role as a reviewer, mucked up the wording of the section, was careless as to its content and left the bare urls as they were. This FAC review has been running for over seven weeks and Snowman has been finding fault with the article for nearly four. I would now like the review to come to an end, and this will probably happen when nobody adds anything more to the review page (though expressions of support are always welcome!). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Peter, I put the category:Recreational diving back on Submarine escape training facility for the moment as I know from my own experience that recreational divers used the facility at Portsmouth some years ago. Of course, I'm not a reliable source so I'll see if I can find some usable sources to confirm it - it's also there in the text (unreferenced of course).

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 * No worries. I didn't see it in the text. Cheers and festive greetings from Australia. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 22:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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 * Why not? I will be doing some work in this field. At least until all the gastropods of the Cape Peninsula and False Bay have decent articles. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:30, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey thank you again Peter! That is quite a big fauna (and a very interesting one) so we may have you with us for some time! Especially if you manage to tackle the non-marine fauna as well as the marine fauna.


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