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Administrators' newsletter – December 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2020). Administrator changes
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New Page Patrol December Newsletter
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Administrators' newsletter – January 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2020).

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Messed up my ping
Thought it easier to just come here and let you know about my proposal - Talk:Environmental impact of recreational diving.  Atsme 💬 📧 17:40, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

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Kivu Ebola epidemic
Hi, I realize your busy (being an administrator), however some time ago you reviewed Western African Ebola virus epidemic, should you have a chance/time I was wondering if you could take a look at ...if you dont have the time I'd understand, thank you as always--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:01, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I will take another look, but it is a large and dense article, and I doubt I will have time to do a proper job on it. I will leave any comments on the talk page in case someone else takes up the baton. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 07:28, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Peter, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I will wait (no rush) on if this will remain informal or formal review, take your time and thank you again--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2021).

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February flowers
happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, for this kind thought :-) &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 16:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Pbsouthwood, could you please increase your usage of edit summaries, particularly when editing articles? Xtools gives you 22% edit summary usage among major edits for 150 last edits, and 47.4% edit summary usage for all major edits. I am not sure I've ever seen such low edit summary usage numbers for an admin. Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 10:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , Have you considered the type of edits I have been doing in your analysis? Can you explain why edit summaries for those edits would be such a benefit to the encyclopedia and the editing community that I should disrupt my workflow to provide them? I apologise if I have neglected to explain anything that might reasonably have been confusing or controversial to a competent editor. Feel free to point out any such instances. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 10:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Err, not especially, not until you asked. I consider it a given that all Wikipedians are expected to use edit summaries for all or almost all their edits as a matter of course, for the reasons explained in Help:Edit summary. It is not an imposition but a basic requirement existing to inform other users about the substance of one's edits. I have never heard it described as disrupting one's workflow. For an admin, I would view the expectation in terms of providing edit summaries, both in mainspace and in projectspace, to be even higher, in light of WP:ADMINACCT and the higher standards for transparency and communication. In terms of specific examples, IMO, edits like these, introducing significant new content into articles, definitely require edit summaries, to summarize for the other editors the substance of such edits. Nsk92 (talk) 11:44, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , If one wants to know the substance of an edit, the obvious method is to look at the diff. Adding content is not usually a startling or controversial action, it is the very basis of Wikipedia, particularly when references are included. Adding an edit summary saying added referenced content does not add much value, as it is immediately obvious from the diff. I am far more likely to explain removal of content or references, for reasons that should be obvious but I can explain if there is a need. Edit summaries are very useful when copying, merging, moving, and that sort of thing, where the exact action can not always be determined by simple inspection, and the motivation may not be obvious. I make an effort to ensure that I do give an adequate edit summary in those cases. I would have expected you to be aware that edit summaries are optional in most cases, and Help:Edit summary is neither policy nor guidance. I also do not see the specific relevance of WP:ADMINACCT in this matter, perhaps you would like to explain your point. Cheers,&middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 13:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You are of course correct that Help:Edit summary is neither policy nor a guideline (although perhaps it should be). But it is a widely accepted norm. To me, an edit without edit summary is always unfriendly and unncommunicative. It says nothing at all about what the edit was, and one has to look up the diff to figure out what happened. Even a small hint would be preferable and helpful over a blank summary. I consider an edit summary "added a reference" much more helpful than no summary at all. Regarding admins, at RfA these days high edit summary usage is considered a basic prerequisite for adminship; I believe it is viewed as a part of the necessary communication skills. I am quite certain that if an RfA candidate now voiced the type of opinion you are voicing above regarding edit summaries disrupting your workflow, they would be SNOW failed, and quickly. Regarding WP:ADMINACCT more specifically, I believe it sets a higher general bar for admins in terms of transparency for all their actions, including regular edits; that includes providing substantive edit summaries. Nsk92 (talk) 14:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting that you mention that,, as I expressed my philosophy on edit summaries during my RfA when asked. Can you cite some policy or guidance or an RfC, or any reasonably reliable evidence for your claim that at RfA these days high edit summary usage is considered a basic prerequisite for adminship, since I have not noticed this trend. Your beliefs regarding RfA and ADMINACCT are not necessarily shared by a majority, but I accept that you believe them, while not feeling obliged to take any action as a consequence. If you want to get edit summaries made compulsory you can start a RfC any time you like, and if it passes, it should not be difficult to make it impossible to save without an edit summary. You could even try to make it compulsory just for admins. I would be interested to see how it would be received. I remain open to persuasion by logic and evidence. It is still unclear to me how transparency of my actions is affected by not stating in an edit summary that which can be seen by simply looking at the edit. Since you consider a small hint would be helpful even for a fairly obvious edit, you should be able to explain just how it would be helpful, and to whom. Please feel welcome to elucidate. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 18:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I took a look at your recent contributions, in the hope that I might gain some understanding of your point of view, but the majority of your edit summaries do not help me understand your edits at all, while looking at the actual diff is generally sufficient as well as necessary. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 18:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I did just start a thread on the topic at Village pump (policy). Not an RfC, just a discussion to see what others have to say. I don't know how long ago your RfA was, but my observations from watching the recent RfAs indicate that edit summary usage periodically comes up as a reason to oppose. I don't remember anyone there making an argument that edit summaries are really optional and not always helpful. And I do remember RfA candidates with low edit summary usage getting clobbered. I don't think there is any such thing as an "obvious" edit when an edit is not supplied with an edit summary. An article edit, in particular, can do all sorts of different things, and can add or subtract all kinds of information. For an article edit I'd always want to see an edit summary that is substantive and not perfunctory. E.g. "added referenced info" is too generic and uninformative. While "added info about DOB, with ref" is  substantive. But when I see an article edit such as this  show up in my watchlist, I have absolutely no idea what the edit means. There is nothing obvious about it. For an article that I am interested in, I am forced to looked up the diff and see what's what there. If there was a substantive edit summary provided, I would most likely just read the edit summary and in most cases not look at the diff. For projectspace edits, at least for regular editors, I believe that perfunctory edit summaries such as "comment", "reply", "delete", "keep", etc are perfectly fine. But for article edits I do want to see more. Regarding my own edits, I am probably not as detailed as I should be with article edit summaries, but I do try to say something substantive there. Nsk92 (talk) 18:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , since there is nothing to force the edit summary to be accurate, I consider it necessary to check the diff anyway to know what is there. Perhaps you have more faith in the accuracy of edit summaries than me. I check based on my trust of the editor (or lack thereof), or if I am interested enough. I consider an inaccurate edit summary to be worse than none as it may be misleading. After a large and complex edit, it may take a lot of effort to compose an accurate non-trivial summary. I would rather use that effort to improve content as my availability and time are finite. I was opposed on grounds of low numbers of edit summaries, but the opposer was informed by someone else that it was not legitimate grounds to oppose as they are not compulsory. I will watch the discussion with interest, and may join if I see a need. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 04:56, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course there is nothing to force an edit summary to be accurate. That's what AGF is for. Yes, I do generally trust that the edit summaries are accurate or at least not intenionally misleading. In my observations, in the overwhelming majority of cases, they are. I use edit summaries as a helping tool in deciding, when viewing my watchlist or a history log of some page, whether to look up a diff for specific edit. I believe that most other editors do the same. It is helpful and saves a great deal of time. Conversely, for an edit without an edit summary that shows up on my watchlist for an article that I am interested in, especially if it looks like an edit that added or subtracted a non-negligible amount information, I am forced to look up the diff and try to understand what the edit was about. That takes time, often a fair amount of it, and in most cases the edits turn out to be benign. But sometimes not and a follow up is required. Edit summaries, even brief ones, make identifying edits that really need to be looked up considerably easier. Nsk92 (talk) 11:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I am going to put this on hold while the discussion goes on at the VP, as some important parts of the issue may be decided there by a broader section of the community. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 15:37, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, sure, thanks, I was going to suggest the same thing. Nsk92 (talk) 15:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I came here from the link in the Village Pump discussion and having read this discussion I would just like to point out that, although Peter Southwood being judicious in their use of edit summaries should (obviously?) not be seen as a point against edit summaries in general, perhaps the existence of an active admin in good standing who uses them at his discretion should give certain RFA-regulars pause regarding a bright line % of edit summaries being a helpful prognostication tool in the selection of future administrators. Primergrey (talk) 18:54, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I would only recommend not leaving an edit summary for cases where the edit summary would be misleading. I have no objections to other people using summaries that serve no useful purpose as long as they do no harm, and while I appreciate the moral support, would also point out that as an admin, I was given the tools because of community trust that I would not misuse them, and an implicit approval of my interpersonal behaviour history, editing competence, communication, and general dedication to the purposes of the encyclopedia, even if sometimes expressed as "not a jerk, has a clue", or equivalent, and probably not for special authority on interpretation of policy or customs. Logic, rational reasoning and evidence should take priority over opinion and personal preference, which is why consensus should not be confused with a majority opinion, and why Wikipedia is not a democracy. I entirely agree that a mere percentage usage of edit summaries is a generally useless measure, much as time served (years as a registered editor), and edit counts are not appropriate measures of one's value to the editing community or suitability to use the admin tool set, while "not a jerk, has a clue", though flippant, actually concisely summarises the qualities we should be looking for. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 07:00, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 10-4 Primergrey (talk) 08:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2021). Administrator changes
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 * A request for comment seeks to grant page movers the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target. The full proposal is at Page mover/delete-redirect.
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 * There is a discussion in progress concerning automatic protection of each day's featured article with Pending Changes protection.

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 * There have been a number of reported issues with Pending Changes. Most problems setting protection appear to have been resolved (T273317) but other issues with autoaccepting edits persist (T275322).

Arbitration
 * By motion, the discretionary sanctions originally authorized under the GamerGate case are now authorized under a new Gender and sexuality case, with sanctions authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, any gender-related dispute or controversy and associated people. Sanctions issued under GamerGate are now considered Gender and sexuality sanctions.
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Thank you for helping with the Surfing Etiquette article
Hi PbSouthwood, Thank you for your suggestions and comments. Yes, I could have inserted this information in the Surfing article, however, due to its importance and necessity I was trying to submit as a stand alone article. I made this choice so that it would be better accessible under search parameters. I will review other comments, and if still necessary, than include in the Surfing article. It's still not my first choice. Thank you again, Navymom9194 (talk) 15:18, 25 March 2021 (UTC).
 * , You are welcome, I have no problem in principle with the topic being a stand-alone, but one of the things you will find working on Wikipedia is that it is very easy to expand an article with relevant content, but your first new articles will be scrutinised quite thoroughly for proof of notability. If you decide to merge it into Surfing, the titles that would reasonably be appropriate for the stand- alone article should be created as redirects to the section, so the content will be found without any difficulty, using any of the obvious search strings. A redirect needs no proof of notability, just a reasonable probability of usefulness. Splitting the contemt out again later is also not a big problem, and this sequence is very common. I have merged and split many articles, and the results are as good as starting them independently. If you find you need a hand, give me a call. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 16:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2021). Administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * Following a request for comment, F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a has been deprecated; it covered immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
 * Following a request for comment, page movers were granted the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.

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 * When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split and it might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem.
 * Code to support some very old web browsers is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers.

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 * A community consultation on the Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions procedure is open until April 25.

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Underwater diving
Greetings! There are some citation needed tags in the Underwater diving article. Could you take care of them? Cheers. Wretchskull (talk) 16:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , When I can get access to reliable sources I will add the refs. Those statements are sort of common knowledge and/or common practice in the industry, but mostly documented in places like internal codes of practice and policies and operations manuals that are not easily accessible. I have emailed a couple of industry associations, but they have not replied yet. There are probably also requirements laid out in environmental protection regulations somewhere, but so far I have not been able to find any. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 06:24, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Found some EP regs listing cases where assessments must be made. Some will be associated with diving operations some of the time. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 05:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

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National Sea Rescue Institute Assessment Rating
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I see that you are editing the National Sea Rescue Institute article. I just accessed the article, but can come back and reassess once you are done with your major edit work.

Ping me when you would like me to reassess it.

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 * . You can reassess it any time you like, as can anyone else, so I don't understand your invitation. Would you like to clarify? I will be working on it as and when sources become available and I have the time and inclination. As it happens, I am in Simon's Town quite often, so I may have opportunities to get photos of the new boat and station building. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 16:20, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Once I assess an article that I didn't create or majorly contribute to, chances are I will never see that article again. I just thought I would reassess this one since I know it may be expanded more. Adios, Prairie Astronomer  Talk 00:39, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough,, I appreciate your interest, but it may be some time before enough changes have been made to make a reassessment worth the effort. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 05:13, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2021). Administrator changes
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 * Following an RfC, consensus was found that third party appeals are allowed but discouraged.
 * The 2021 Desysop Policy RfC was closed with no consensus. Consensus was found in a previous RfC for a community based desysop procedure, though the procedure proposed in the 2021 RfC did not gain consensus.

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 * The community consultation on the Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions procedure was closed, and an initial draft based on feedback from the now closed consultation is expected to be released in early June to early July for community review.

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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Feels like longer. Thanks &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 09:39, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Question about a hatnote
Hi, I am just a little unclear what you meant to say here? It just says: "What Nick Moyes said." Perhaps the issue about hatnotes is broader which is why I thought I'd ask here for clarification rather than on the article's talk page. Hope you don't mind. EMsmile (talk) 04:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I was expressing agreement with the previous statement by Nick Moyes. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 04:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!
 Happy Adminship Anniversary! Have a very happy adminship anniversary on your special day!

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021). Administrator changes
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 * Following a Request for Comment the Book namespace was deprecated.

Technical news
 * Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.

Arbitration
 * After a Clarification request, the Arbitration Committee modified Remedy 5 of the Antisemitism in Poland case. This means sourcing expectations are a discretionary sanction instead of being present on all articles. It also details using the talk page or the Reliable Sources Noticeboard to discuss disputed sources.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy notice - Sanctions for topics related to fringe theories and pseudoscience
--Hipal (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Duly noted. Particularly interesting in that the current discussion is whether the topic actually qualifies as pseudoscience or fringe science. Posting this notice does not make it so. That should be decided on the merits of the evidence presented. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 17:41, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * One can always ask at FTN. --Hipal (talk) 19:37, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2021).

Administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * Consensus has been reached to delete all books in the book namespace. There was rough consensus that the deleted books should still be available on request at WP:REFUND even after the namespace is removed.
 * An RfC is open to discuss the next steps following a trial which automatically applied pending changes to TFAs.

Technical news
 * IP addresses of unregistered users are to be hidden from everyone. There is a rough draft of how IP addresses may be shown to users who need to see them. This currently details allowing administrators, checkusers, stewards and those with a new usergroup to view the full IP address of unregistered users. Editors with at least 500 edits and an account over a year old will be able to see all but the end of the IP address in the proposal. The ability to see the IP addresses hidden behind the mask would be dependent on agreeing to not share the parts of the IP address they can see with those who do not have access to the same information. Accessing part of or the full IP address of a masked editor would also be logged. Comments on the draft are being welcomed at the talk page.

Arbitration
 * The community authorised COVID-19 general sanctions have been superseded by the COVID-19 discretionary sanctions following a motion at a case request. Alerts given and sanctions placed under the community authorised general sanctions are now considered alerts for and sanctions under the new discretionary sanctions.

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ArchiveSent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:27, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Underwater diving in the UK category
The category is for broad underwater diving, such as training and organisations DinosaursLoveExistence (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Where did I ask about this? &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 09:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Outline of underwater diving
Thanks for your efforts. Unfortunately, the red issue is still there, starting with the Diving medical research organisations section to the end of the article. Truthanado (talk) 18:45, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Revisiting the article a few minutes later, everything is good now. Maybe there was an issue with cache in my browser. Thanks for the fix. Truthanado (talk) 18:49, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries, It was an interesting learning experience. Let me know if you run into the same problem again. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 05:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries, It was an interesting learning experience. Let me know if you run into the same problem again. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 05:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)