User talk:Pch172

Non-free content criteria policy
Please do not place or replace any non-free images to any pages except for actual articles, such as you did at your talk page. Such use is a clear violation of point number 9 of our policy concerning the use of non-free images. Continuing to do so can be viewed as disruptive behaviour and you may be blocked from editing. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

However, I'm not copying non-free images anywhere else, so why are you pinning me down for this? Pch172 (talk) 20:22, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure precisely what you mean by "pinning [you] down for this", but I am editing your userpage and trying to educate you here because you are violating a Wikipedia policy. Wikipedia's policy regarding non-free content is explicitly stricter than that required by fair use, and part of that involves limiting it to only those areas where its use would directly contribute to our educational purpose, which is to say in articles. Please let me know if you have any further questions about this matter. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:06, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

2014 Formula One season
Hi Pch172,

Could you please stop adding content to the 2014 Formula One season page - particularly in the article lead - that quotes Bernie Ecclestone as saying the 2014 engines are about to be scrapped? The reason is that Bernie has no power to influence the technical regulations of the sport. That power rests with the FIA, and until such time as they say that the 2014 engines will be abandoned, we are to assume that they will go ahead. It doesn't matter if you have a reliable source backing up Ecclestone's comments - he's not in any position to influence those regulations, and so we cannot include his comments in the articles. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 00:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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Citation needed
Pch172, please do not put in citation needed templates into the 2013 Formula One season page simply because you think it is likely that Massa, Grosjean and Maldonado will continue racing with their respective teams. Opinion is no substitute for fact. Until such time as you can find a reliable source stating that Driver A will race for Team B, please leave the driver field blank.

This is why your citation needed templates are inappropriate:


 * 1) As you say, Ferrari is considering one of three drivers. And although there are sources supporting di Resta and Hulkenberg at Force India, Vijay Mallya has said that he will not stand in the way of either driver if they are offered a contract with a front-running team. Even if Force India change their stance and keep Hulkenberg and di Resta absolutely, that does not automatically mean that Massa will stay with Ferrari. Other rumours in the silly season have linked Heikki Kovalainen to that seat, so it is conceiveable that neither Massa, di Resta not Hulkenberg will race for Ferrari.


 * 2) It doesn't matter what Romain Grosjean "hopes" will happen. If he doesn't have a contract, he doesn't have a contract, and he cannot be included in the table. If all it took was a driver saying he "hoped" to race for a team, pretty much every driver on the grid would be listed as driving for Ferrari.


 * 3) In the case of Maldonado, he has recently made comments that he is "keeping his options open" for 2013. While this is not enough to justify removing him from the table on its own, there is no source available that states he will be driving for Williams in 2013. Because we cannot prove that he is driving for them, we cannot include him. The original source given was taken from a magazine that nobody seems to be able to confirm.

Putting a citation needed template into an article does not make speculative edits okay. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 00:20, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

2015 Formula One season
Hi. The changes you're currently making to the 2015 Formula One season article are essentially recreating an article that has been speedy-deleted as too speculative several times. Having a page that's substantially similar to one that's recently been deleted is grounds for that page being speedy-deleted (WP:G4). For this reason, I've removed the content you added. Please don't revert. Dricherby (talk) 23:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 2013–14 Southampton F.C. season


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The quality of your edits
Once again, Pch172, I find myself asking you to put more thought into your edits. I have had to undo these edits to the 2015 Formula One season page because I feel they are of particularly low quality.

Firstly, the Canadian Grand Prix is not a proposed race. It is an existing race with an expiring contract, which makes it a calendar change. A "proposed race" would be a race that does not exist at the moment, and is attempting to join the calendar for the first time - like the proposed Thai Grand Prix.

Speaking of the Thai Grand Prix, I have also removed that section of the article, because the wording violated several elements of the Manual of Style. Firstly, you word it as "apparently will be occuring", which in and of itself casts doubt on the chances of the race happening - which is not an acceptable way to word it, given that Wikipedia is concerned with fact. Secondly, you claim that the organisers are yet to sign a contract with the FIA, but the contract to host the race is signed with FOM. Finally, your wording makes it pretty clear that the race is speculative in nature.

This is just one edit in what I have noticed to be a trend with your edits. This is the third time in a year that I have had to ask you to put more thought into what you edit before you edit it in. I suggest that you stop editing these pages until such time as you are familiar with the Manual of Style and Wikipedia's policies on speculative content and reliable sources. Because, quite frankly, your edits are constantly and consistently poor, and while your intentions are clearly good, your edits have generally been disruptive. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:50, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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2014 in British television
Thanks for getting this article started. I'd had it in mind to do it as some point, but kept overlooking it. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:40, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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Forza Rossa Racing
Pch172, please stop adding Forza Rossa to the team and driver chart in the 2015 Formula One season article, unless the FIA formally confirm it (you will know it if they do; it will be headline news). Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Markup
Pch172, if you do not understand what the markup in an article does, please do not assume that it needs to be changed. I have undone your most recent changes to the 2015 F1 season article because the use of linebreaks can cause issues for users browsing on a mobile. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Please,, assume some good faith in other user's contributions. The reason why so many users keep elegantly splitting that information over two lines is to reduce the excessive width of the table. I have asked you on the article's talk page whether it's ok if we use your sandbox to edge out your issues with the table. So is that fine with you? Tvx1 00:39, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I am assuming good faith. I am simply explaining why the changes have been reverted. I am guessing that Pch172 is inserting the line breaks because he is experiencing a table wider than his monitor can display, but that is an issue with his monitor and not the markup. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 01:19, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I am afraid your assumptions about my monitor are wrong. The way I see it is that the Mercedes photo off them being world champions is causing the width of the table to appear below an massive part of white space. I put the brakes in to make it aesthetically pleasing to other people who may have similar sized monitored to mine instead of your gigantic ones that you have. Pch172 (talk) 12:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * That's not an issue with the table. That's an issue with the markup in the article lead. You're seeing it that way either because there is a clear template in the lead or because the table is too wide to fit under the images. But if you try to force the table to fit in that white space, you can sometimes create an unintended effect of having the edit function for the table hidden behind the image, making it inaccessible. It's rare, but it can happen.


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 * The problem should correct itself in due course. It may take a few weeks, but once the season starts, the lead will be expanded upon. As more text is added, the white space will shrink, and the table will be gradually pushed down. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 13:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * It's been 2 months since this was that discussed and the white space has not disappeared, which needs sorting out. As far as I'm aware, having the brakes in doesn't affect me when using my mobile. Pch172 (talk) 18:15, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It doesn't affect me either. Prisonermonkeys is currently blocked, so will not be able to reply here. Tvx1 18:37, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

2016 Formula One season
Hi Pch172. I'm confused: why do you keep adding http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/26270798 as a reference for Lotus using Mercedes engines in 2016? That (outdated) article says that they will use Renault engines from 2014 to 2018. DH85868993 (talk) 13:28, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Lotus' Power Units for 2016
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