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Check out the pile at the corner Arkaba and Coromandel Roads, Aldgate. Chapel annexe. Unbelievable garden ornaments. Someone said it was built for Charles Hawker or George Charles Hawker but I dunno. New pages for your delectation (be gentle):
 * Reginald Stoneham
 * William Finlayson (churchman) (1813–1897)
 * R. K. Finlayson (Robert Kettle Finlayson 1839–1917)
 * John Harvey Finlayson (1843–1915)
 * South Australian Company
 * Samuel Stephens (Colonial Manager) (dab: Samuel Stephens)
 * David McLaren (Colonial Manager) (dab: David McLaren)
 * William Giles (Colonial Manager) (dab: William Giles)
 * William Brind (William John Brind)
 * Henry Sparks (Henry Yorke Sparks)
 * Henry Moore (Colonial Manager) - it's really a red link - (Henry Percival Moore) (dab: Henry Moore (disambiguation))
 * Arthur Muller (Arthur Leopold Albert Muller)
 * South Australian Company & Adelaide city centre
 * John Barton Hack
 * Wilton Hack
 * Justices of the Peace, South Australia 1862
 * George Hall (Australian politician)
 * Joseph Fisher (Australian politician)
 * John Howard Clark
 * Michael Atchison
 * James Robin
 * E. H. Babbage, C. W. Babbage
 * Friends meeting house, Adelaide

Doug butler (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Adelaide street names
1. No supporting reference that Hack St, North Adelaide is named after John Barton Hack but it is right there adjacent to Barton Tce West so I have made an assumption. If I am wrong, it doesn't still doesn't affect the content of the Street names section I think. 2. Catherine Spence seems to think that both Stephens Pl, Stephens St (in southeast quadrant) are named after Edward Stephens the banker, as well as an obscure Stephens St in North Adelaide. See and search on page 34 for Stephens. 3. Yep, Barton Tce named after John Barton Hack, but Strangways Tce named after Strangways too. Need we mention all the North Adelaide namings? Sorry for any other confusion I might have caused. Cheers, Donama (talk) 02:40, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh crap looks like I misread my own reference. Samuel Stephens, not Edward Stephens. So appears Edward Stephens as a banker was snubbed or perhaps there was an old Stephens St that was renamed, but doubtful since the Spence reference is so thorough, and does mention Edward as being a banker and marrying his wife on the ship out here, etc. Donama (talk) 02:43, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Between 1836 & 1840 he was a "mere employee" of the South Australian Company. Maybe that's why he was snubbed? Pdfpdf (talk) 03:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the extra links! Donama (talk) 00:12, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Football stadium lights
I've canceled the edit but with regard to attendance in the SANFL, of the 90 games played during the 23 round 2011 season, 21 games, or 23% of the season, were played under lights and were some of the best attended games of the minor round, including the highest single game attendance for the entire minor round of 8,011 for a Friday night Round 3 game between Norwood and Glenelg at Norwood Oval. I just thought that it might have been important enough to put something in about night football because its a popular part of the seasonHoldenV8 (talk) 17:27, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable, a good plan, and worth doing. But it's not what that edit actually did. Pdfpdf (talk) 01:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I just realised, wrong subject lol. Sorry about that. Ok, the reason was just to show that Norwood isn't the only SANFL ground to have lights installed and not the only ground used for night games. Nothing more than thatHoldenV8 (talk) 17:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That, too, sounds reasonable, a good plan, and worth doing. But ... Pdfpdf (talk) 01:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

List of Lord Mayors of London
I can see you have done a lot of good work in improving the accuracies of the said article - however I feel the layout was far neater before. Furthermore - I have read the page on red links and I still feel that in the case of this article the majority of the subjects are in many case not of high notability and will not have a wiki article any time soon. Hence, red links are only messy and have no advantage to encyclopedia user. Uvghifds (talk) 15:48, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * "however I feel the layout was far neater before." - What about the layout was neater? Are you referring to the bulleted lists? If so, I probably agree, but someone else has been busy converting them to tables ...
 * Anyway, the tables keep things in columns, which the bulleted lists don't.
 * ''"I still feel that in the case of this article the majority of the subjects are in many case not of high notability"
 * I disagree - Lord Mayor of London sounds quite notable to me!
 * "and will not have a wiki article any time soon." - C'est la vie. They all deserve articles.
 * "Hence, red links are only messy and have no advantage to encyclopedia user."
 * a) There's no "hence" link
 * b) I disagree. How are red links messy? They seem no more or less messy than blue links to me. And WP:RED explains how they are of advantage to the encyclopaedia.
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Personally, I don't see that the sequence number adds any value. And I think it looks messy. What do you think? Pdfpdf (talk) 16:03, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I would agree that the number sequence doesn't add any value. And I was suggesting that the bullet point list (as before) are more user friendly. Someone was changing them to tables - but for the whole article to have been in table format would both have made it far bulkier and less reader friendly. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree over the issue of red links here. This is probably the user as opposed to the editor in me, but it does annoy me to have links which lead no-where, and to me look messy. Yes, there may be circumstances when they would be appropriate - however here I don't think so. Lord Mayors may in some case be of notability to have an article, yet in many cases they are not. It is not a particularly high profile or high powered post. Rather, is one that holds more symbloism than power.Uvghifds (talk) 15:58, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * "I would agree that the number sequence doesn't add any value." - Well, that resolves one issue!
 * "And I was suggesting that the bullet point list (as before) are more user friendly." - Maybe. I think that's more opinion than fact. As I'm equally familiar with both, to me they're equally "user friendly". However, two people's opinions is hardly representative of anything more than those two people ...
 * "Someone was changing them to tables - but for the whole article to have been in table format would both have made it far bulkier and less reader friendly." - Again, subjective opinion - not objective fact.
 * "I think we are going to have to agree to disagree over the issue of red links here." - Obviously. I think you might find it useful, or failing that, interesting, to read WP:I just don't like it.
 * "This is probably the user as opposed to the editor in me, but it does annoy me to have links which lead no-where, and to me look messy." - Again, hardly what one could call "objective". No, you're not an orphan in having that opinion, but the opinion is not "universal".
 * "Yes, there may be circumstances when they would be appropriate" - Errr. Yes. (c.f. WP:RED)
 * "however here I don't think so." - You are completely entitled to your own opinion. Just don't try to pass it off as anything other than your opinion. And accept the fact that there are others who have different opinions that they, too, are completely entitled to.
 * "Lord Mayors may in some case be of notability to have an article, yet in many cases they are not." - On what do you base that opinion?
 * "It is not a particularly high profile or high powered post." - Really? You surprise me. Dick Whittington being multi-time Lord Mayor of London featured in my childhood literature. Except for my home town, I've never heard of, nor ever had any interest in, any other Lord Mayors. No, I'm afraid I have to disagree - "Lord Mayor of London" has a considerably higher profile than any other I'm aware of.
 * "Rather, is one that holds more symbloism than power." - What does "power" have to do with "notability"?
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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Check out the pile at the corner Arkaba and Coromandel Roads, Aldgate. Chapel annexe. Unbelievable garden ornaments. Someone said it was built for Charles Hawker or George Charles Hawker but I dunno. New pages for your delectation (be gentle):
 * Reginald Stoneham
 * William Finlayson (churchman) (1813–1897)
 * R. K. Finlayson (Robert Kettle Finlayson 1839–1917)
 * John Harvey Finlayson (1843–1915)
 * South Australian Company
 * Samuel Stephens (Colonial Manager) (dab: Samuel Stephens)
 * David McLaren (Colonial Manager) (dab: David McLaren)
 * William Giles (Colonial Manager) (dab: William Giles)
 * William Brind (William John Brind)
 * Henry Sparks (Henry Yorke Sparks)
 * Henry Moore (Colonial Manager) - it's really a red link - (Henry Percival Moore) (dab: Henry Moore (disambiguation))
 * Arthur Muller (Arthur Leopold Albert Muller)
 * South Australian Company & Adelaide city centre
 * John Barton Hack
 * Wilton Hack
 * Justices of the Peace, South Australia 1862
 * George Hall (Australian politician)
 * Joseph Fisher (Australian politician)
 * John Howard Clark
 * Michael Atchison
 * James Robin
 * E. H. Babbage, C. W. Babbage
 * Friends meeting house, Adelaide
 * William Herbert Phillipps lots of new stuff

Doug butler (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

class="wikitable sortable"
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{| class=wikitable

What's happened to "wikitable sortable"? Pdfpdf (talk) 08:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sortable tables were re-implemented during the MediaWiki 1.18 upgrade a couple of weeks ago. For the change in behaviour, see here. The example you give here seems to be working, at least for me. Do you have a specific problem? -- John of Reading (talk) 09:03, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Do you have a specific problem?" - I'm afraid so. Both of the above tables display and behave identically to me - I assume they look different to you?
 * I am guessing that something has corrupted my "skin" - I've also noticed other stuff "stop working" or change recently.
 * (I'm using Vector with IE8 v8.0.6001)
 * Yes, those tables look different to me, both with Firefox and with IE9. Have you disabled JavaScript somehow? As a check, does the "Show/Hide Extended Content" link work for you near the end of this section on my talk page?
 * There were IE8-specific problems reported at WP:VPT when the new code was deployed, but I think they are all supposed to be fixed now. You could try bypassing your browser cache just in case. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:48, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Yes, it works with Chrome & Firefox, but not IE8. OK. That pins it down to IE8. I'll have a fiddle tomorrow. Many thanks for helping isolate the problem. Maybe it's time to listen to those people who keep telling me to stop using IE! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:19, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I posted the following at Village pump (technical)


 * IE8 problems

I'm using Vector skin with IE8 v8.0.6001 on Vista, and am experiencing a number of different problems on every page in WP that I have examined. I am not experiencing any of these problems when using another browser - so far I've tried Chrome, Safari and Firefox. Advice please. Pdfpdf (talk) 05:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * On any page containing a class="wikitable sortable", the table looks & behaves identically to a class=wikitable.
 * On any page, hovering over a link either displays nothing, or only displays a box with the link name - depending on the link, IE8 used to, and other browsers still do, display the page, or the edit history or other information
 * While typing into the search box (on any page with a search box), it does not provide an "auto complete" list of candidate terms.
 * My talk page top-of-page list of menus displays
 * "Read, Edit, Add topic, View history, (heart), (star), (triangle)" rather than
 * "Read, Edit, +, (heart), (star), (triangle), (triangle), (triangle)"
 * When editing a page, none of the "editing shortcuts" that appear below the Save page/Show preview/etc line appear as links - they all appear only as static text.
 * Etc.

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Age of Steam
Found early details on McIlwraith McEacharn (while chasing W. H. Paxton) may be up your street. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/25350601 Doug butler (talk) 22:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)