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Check out the pile at the corner Arkaba and Coromandel Roads, Aldgate. Chapel annexe. Unbelievable garden ornaments. Someone said it was built for Charles Hawker or George Charles Hawker but I dunno. New pages for your delectation (be gentle):
 * Reginald Stoneham
 * William Finlayson (churchman) (1813–1897)
 * R. K. Finlayson (Robert Kettle Finlayson 1839–1917)
 * John Harvey Finlayson (1843–1915)
 * South Australian Company
 * Samuel Stephens (Colonial Manager) (dab: Samuel Stephens)
 * David McLaren (Colonial Manager) (dab: David McLaren)
 * William Giles (Colonial Manager) (dab: William Giles)
 * William Brind (William John Brind)
 * Henry Sparks (Henry Yorke Sparks)
 * Henry Moore (Colonial Manager) - it's really a red link - (Henry Percival Moore) (dab: Henry Moore (disambiguation))
 * Arthur Muller (Arthur Leopold Albert Muller)
 * South Australian Company & Adelaide city centre
 * John Barton Hack
 * Wilton Hack
 * Justices of the Peace, South Australia 1862
 * George Hall (Australian politician)
 * Joseph Fisher (Australian politician)
 * John Howard Clark
 * Michael Atchison
 * James Robin
 * E. H. Babbage, C. W. Babbage
 * Friends meeting house, Adelaide
 * William Herbert Phillipps lots of new stuff

Doug butler (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Navy Ribbons
Ref RADM Griggs and three rows. The RAN seem to prefer ribbons in rows of up to 3 as opposed to Army and RAAF rows of 4. Fits better on the uniform. There is a ref somewhere but I can't be bothered looking it up. --Oliver Nouther (talk) 05:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well there you go. Y'learn something new every day. Thanks for that. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:29, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I should point out that today in the mail I recieved Issue 1 2012 of the Defence Magazine (official magazine of the DoD) and it has photos of both VADM Griggs and VADM Jones both with rows of 4. Nford24 (Talk) 03:24, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks!
 * http://www.defence.gov.au/defencemagazine/editions/2012_01/DefenceMag%20Issue%201.pdf
 * Pg.17 - "First female Admiral for RAN" (About time!!) Griggs is wearing 8 ribbons in two rows on short sleeve shirt
 * (Pg.27 - Hurley still wearing 6 ribbons, but has Fed Star on his DFSM. Relevant to other discussions.)
 * (pg.28 - Binskin wearing 2 x 4 = 8 ribbons - but as he's RAAF, irrelevant to this discussion.)
 * pg.40 - Jones: 10 ribbons: 1; 4; 4; 1 - on short sleeve shirt
 * pg.45 - Cheng Anderson: a woman; a scientist; a non-anglo-saxon. (But not a 2-star :(
 * As I said: Thanks.
 * However, that doesn't change the fact that in his official photo in a navy-blue "jacket", they're in 3 rows of up to 3.
 * Conclusion? You need more information and better sources than I'm aware of! (i.e. Ask an expert.)
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:32, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

David Hurley
Hey. I was surfing the net and found this article |1, now in it is a picture of Davud Hurley with a mysterious 7th ribbon. Usually when the CDF gets a medal its noted in the defence media releases and it wasnt. The ribbon appears to be red which suggests Legion of Honour (France) and I cant find any article on him receiving a foreign medal, have you heard anything? Nford24 (Talk) 12:40, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You may find a photograph on the ADF photo search, search for "David Hurley" and you should be able to view the high res version. Bidgee (talk) 12:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's strange that it hasn't been audibly / visibly broadcast. No, I haven't seen anything in the media releases, or heard anything, either. Yes it could be Officer of the Legion of Honour. I'll do some ratting around. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not wearing it in pictures taken 29 Feb 2012. Is wearing it in pictures taken 1 March 2012. But, of course, that doesn't tell us when he was awarded it. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:39, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've emailed the Navy's public affairs office for the exact award and the date of the award. should be interesting. Nford24 (Talk) 14:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I got a reply from the office...unless it's top secret or something they don't seem to want to talk about it LOL. Nford24 (Talk) 22:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Strange! I'll see if I can track down his XO (or PA). Pdfpdf (talk) 22:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Moments ago the Navy's public office confirmed that the CDF has been awarded the 'Officer of the Legion of Honour' by the French Government. Nford24 (Talk) 23:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The CDF's office has also just confirmed it as well. Nford24 (Talk) 00:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Apparently, CDF doesn't have an XO - he has a Chief of Staff. I talked to GPCAPT Meredith this afternoon, (charming man), and he confirmed that:
 * yes, it is Officer of the (French) Legion of Honour;
 * it was presented to Hurley when he was in Paris in late January by the French CDF;
 * no, there haven't been any Australian press releases;
 * no, there haven't been any photos - there was no Australian photographer present, and the French haven't released any photos to the Australian Department of Defence;
 * no, it is unlikely that there will be an Australian press release - the presentation was some time ago now, and there seem to be quite a number of higher profile matters around at the moment.
 * That led me to http://www.defense.gouv.fr/ema/le-chef-d-etat-major/l-actualite-du-cema/cema-visite-du-general-hurley-cema-australien/%28language%29/fre-FR#SearchText=General%20Hurley#xtcr=1 (in French), for which you seem to have found an English version at http://www.ambafrance-au.org/spip.php?article4584&fb_source=message.
 * Subsequently I saw that you have already updated the David Hurley page.
 * It seems that you have managed to sort it all out without my help. Good work. Thanks. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Circulation figures
Just for your information, those figures are from the RAM 2010-2011 Annual Report, hence why I put "as at" 30 June. The total number minted will be available once the 2011-2012 Annual Report is released, although it would probably only be the IYV+10 coin that sees much of a mintage increase, due to it being the chronological last of the 3 releases for the year. Hope that helps :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.162.202.171 (talk) 15:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you. HoldenV8 (talk) 13:37, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

English, translator
Peter Fisher is a professor emeritus from Anglia Polytechnic University in Cambridge. He has published translations of Saxo Grammaticus' and Olaus Magnus'. He has published translations of Saxo Grammaticus' Gesta Danorum and Olaus Magnus' Historia de gentibus septentrionalibus.
 * Peter Fisher (translator) (born 1934), British, known for translating Gesta Danorum
 * "Peter Fisher" 1934 translator Cambridge
 * http://searchworks.stanford.edu/?q=%22Fisher%2C+Peter%2C+1934-+%22&search_field=search_author
 * Historia Norwegie; Inger Ekrem; Lars Boje Mortensen; 2006
 * UR - http://www.oapen.org/record/342356 - http://www.oapen.org/search?identifier=342356
 * L1 - http://www.oapen.org/download?type=document&docid=342356

Canadian, author

 * The late Peter Fisher was Head of the English Department in the Royal Military College, Kingston, but taught mainly philosophy. He was a scholar both versatile ...
 * The Valley of Vision. By Peter F. Fisher. Edited by Northrop Frye. Toronto: University of Toronto Press. 1961, pp. xi, 261
 * http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=7207780
 * http://www.albion.com/blake/archive/volume1997/50.html
 * >   When I want a fresh point of view, I often go back to
 * > "The Valley of Vision" by Peter Fisher. Fisher drowned in
 * > 1958 at the age of 40 in a boating accident in Lake Ontario
 * > near Kingston. At his death he was head of the English
 * > Department at the Royal Military College of Canada in the
 * > city of Kingston. According to Northrop Frye, who edited
 * > his book after his death, he was a soldier with a fine
 * > military record, keenly interested in the theory of strategy,
 * > wrote papers on the campaigns of Alexander the Great, and
 * > was ready to discuss military theory from Sun-Tzu Wu to
 * > Clausewitz.

“the first historian of New Brunswick”
FISHER, PETER, merchant and historian; b. 9 June 1782 on Staten Island, N.Y.; d. 15 Aug. 1848 in Fredericton.
 * http://www.biographi.ca/009004-119.01-e.php?BioId=37505

Peter Fisher is renowned as “the first historian of New Brunswick.” His two summary accounts of provincial life signalled the beginning of an indigenous literary tradition. The work of the son of a loyalist soldier and farmer, his sketches are particularly notable for the insights they allow into the values and aspirations of a second-generation, rank-and-file loyalist settler.

Pdfpdf (talk) 17:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

St. Paul's College, Adelaide
I am the Systems Administrator at St Paul's College and we have recently gone through an identy overhaul, new logo etc. I have been tasked with updating our Wikipage and i'm still trying to get my head around how to use this site. The current information is extremely outdated and i will be updating all aspects of this page. I would appreciate if you didn't revert my changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tqueenan (talk • contribs) 01:46, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually you can help me out. I need to change the title from St. Paul's College to St Paul's College (no decimal) apprently you need to have made 10 edits to be able to change this. If you could change this for me that would be great. Also i uploaded the logo to the wrong section so i will have to do that again.

Conversation continues at User talk:Tqueenan

CSIRO
CSIRO claims to wireless LAN technology are highly disputed and are therefore do not belong as unqualified assertions in the article header. (WP:YESPOV) Information reporting on the controversy regarding patent 086 belongs in the 802.11 controversy section, which is where they were. Rather than remove content and instruct other editors to discuss in the talk page before they edit, perhaps you should instead start a discussion about their edits at Talk:Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation before taking any action.

I suggest that you review WP:NPOV. Specifically note the WP:YESPOV principle of "Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts." Remember that under WP:DUE, Wikipedia has to give due weight to views from reliable sources based on the prevalence of the view—not just views that you agree with—and that WP:BALANCE acknowledges that reputable sources can have contradictory stances. Note that all the articles presented attributed opinions and also contained substantiated facts, as per WP:SUBSTANTIATE.

The purpose of the controversy section is to contain factual information regarding the nature and character of the controversy, based not on the editor's view (if any) regarding that controversy but on the relevance of the controversy itself. --24.186.1.173 (talk) 04:09, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Bolivar DOES lie on standard gauge line.
According to directory.com.au Bolivar lies between Salisbury, Direk to the south and Two Wells and Crystal Brook to the north.

This line was converted from broad gauge to standard gauge in the 1980s.

The Australian Rail Track Corporation (ARTC) "Curve and Gradient Diagrams" clearly show Bolivar on the Adelaide to Crystal Brook line at about 32km from Adelaide. See ARTC C&G

Your rv of the Bolivar page was thus incorrect and should be unreverted. Tabletop (talk) 00:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Location of Bolivar wrt standard gauge line
Bolivar DOES lie on standard gauge line.
 * Err. No. It doesn't.
 * All of Bolivar is on the west side of Port Wakefield road.
 * All of the standard gauge line is some distance to the east of Port Wakefield road.
 * Bolivar is not on the standard gauge line.


 * Quibling: "Bolivar Railway Station, etc." lies on standard gauge line. Maybe the suburb has been redefined without telling the railway authorities.  There is of course no local passenger train service than Bolivar residents can use to go to say Adelaide.    Tabletop (talk) 08:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

According to http://www.streetdirectory.com.au Bolivar lies between Salisbury, Direk to the south and Two Wells and Crystal Brook to the north.
 * True. But that says nothing about the fact that Bolivar is not on the standard gauge line.

This line was converted from broad gauge to standard gauge in the 1980s.
 * Yes. But that says nothing about the fact that Bolivar is not on the standard gauge line.

Your rv of the Bolivar page was thus incorrect and should be unreverted. Tabletop (talk) 00:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it wasn't and isn't incorrect. No, it should not be reverted. Pdfpdf (talk) 01:20, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Take 2
The Australian Rail Track Corporation (ARTC) "Curve and Gradient Diagrams" clearly show Bolivar on the Adelaide to Crystal Brook line at about 32km from Adelaide. See ARTC C&G Tabletop (talk) 00:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Errr. No. They don't.
 * They refer to the Bolivar turn/off, otherwise known as "Bolivar Road", which runs between Bolivar and the railway line. This, in fact, emphasises that that Bolivar is not on the standard gauge line.Pdfpdf (talk) 01:26, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How strange. Yes, that document does seem refer to a Bolivar crossing loop. Strange because: a) there is no crossing loop in that vicinity; b) Even if there was, it physically could not be in Bolivar, because Bolivar is some distance from the railway line. A puzzle. Pdfpdf (talk) 02:06, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The ARTC C&G diagrams show "t/o" (point/turn-outs) at either end of this and other crossing loops. These give about 1200m standing room at Bolivar, to be increased to about 1900m to match the current trainlengths of 1800m once a level crossing is replaced by an overbridge to allow for these longer trains.  All the other crossing loops have pairs of these "t/o". The Bolivar loops would have been built around perhaps 1920 which predates any suburb of the same name.  Because the current Bolivar loop is only 1200m long it is a bit useless as a crossing loop, except for short trains.


 * It is hard to find stuff about Bolivar, South Australia, because there are so many false matches for Simon Bolivar of South America.


 * Railpage has some stuff about the new freight depot at Bolivar, South Australia, but this source is considered unreliable by some users of Wikipedia, as anyone can post anything on it. There are at least two companies intending to use the new depot/transhipment_hub at Bolivar including SCT (Specialized Container Transport).   Tabletop (talk) 02:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Y'know, I don't think many of these crossing loops currently physically exist. As far as I can tell, there is nothing but one single track between Salisbury and just south of Mallala. If this Bolivar crossing loop actually currently exists, where is it? As I drive through there frequently, I'm pretty sure there is no crossing loop of any length between Salisbury and the Northern Expressway, so I'm very interested to locate it. Similarly, the loop at Two Wells is not obvious, even though the document says it's over 2km long. Does it currently exist? Where? (I'm still somewhat puzzled.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 03:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

As Adelaide to Port Pirie is signalled with CTC (Centralized Traffic Control]] there will be signal on the single line facing the turnouts, and two signals on the mainline and loopline facing the other way. There will also be a distant signal say 2000m into the section. The may also be intermediate signals halfway between loops if the distance between loops is considerable.    These signals may be easier to see than the tracks.    Tabletop (talk) 08:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Bolivar railway station
The railway details for a suburb are often put on a separate page such as Bolivar railway station, South Australia. ARTC has a file dated 2004 with a diagram of Bolivar loop. ARTC diagram   Tabletop (talk) 08:29, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

FYI, Talk:Bolivar railway station, South Australia now contains an official list of all level crossings between Adelaide and Port Pirie. Since the Bolivar crossing loop was 1230m long, and add 60m x 2 for the turnouts, say 1350m, we need to find two level crossings that distance apart to identify the location of the Bolivar loop. Tabletop (talk) 02:14, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

BTW, some or many of the roads would predate the railway, and the Salisbury to Redhill railway dates to the 1910s, so that this railway tends to follow the road and property boundaries. Tabletop (talk) 02:14, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

BTW2, the Bolivar crossing loop is on the eastern side of the main line, which is the side with plenty of land to built an intermodal hub. Tabletop (talk) 02:17, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Heaslip Road 28.653 Auto gates
 * BOLIVAR (loop was 1230m)
 * Taylors Road 31.233 Flashing lights & gongs   Tabletop (talk) 02:22, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah. NORTH of Heaslip Road. I was wrongly assuming it was south of Heaslip Road, between Heaslip road and the new level crossing, (which replaces the Bolivar Road crossing which is now closed). Wow. That's even further away from Bolivar suburb!
 * OK! Thanks. I'll go have a look. Pdfpdf (talk) 04:26, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

DSTO
I have to admit some confusion as to why you bolded (yes, I made a typo in the original edit comment) the text in the DSTO article. Are you trying to show the current structure in DSTO? Because I think that might be inaccurate, see: http://www.dsto.defence.gov.au/page/3595/ The Policy and Programs position looks like it's not there any more.

Also, I linked to DARPA and Dstl because they're generally considered the US and UK versions of DSTO. After all, the Dstl page links to DSTO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adeeppond (talk • contribs) 12:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm. Fair enough. Comments noted. At the moment I'm cleaning up Jimmy Hafesee's additions. When I've got that under control, (and paid my bills that are due today), I'll have another looks at it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. (And no, I'm not claiming "ownership" of the page, but I guess I have to admit I'm somewhat obsessive about detail.) Cheers and thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:39, 16 April 2012 (UTC)