User talk:Peace and Passion/Archive 1

Vining
I will try to document my changes better...I do them in mass sometimes and the detailed notation of them becomes a pain...one it is only fair to endure. I will do better.

Regarding the wording on the Vining article. I prefer the way it was originally stated and dislike the use of "Delawarean:" "delegate from Delaware" would sound fine though. The main problem is that I'm not sure what your objective is and how that solves the other question in my mind which is the comment that the article needs to be "de-orphaned." I don't know what that means when it has so many links throughout. stilltim (talk) 00:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Details, details
All in good humor, after three years, I have now realized I am going to have to learn this management stuff and am reading up on how to do the things you mention. Although I very much appreciate your offer, it would be best for all of us if I did it myself and learned to do it the right way. I do now understand your comments about orphans. I learned something helpful and will try and implement it. Maybe it will help me solve a larger problem where I keep clashing with other writers/editors who perhaps do not understand why I am doing something else. Your professional comments are always welcome. stilltim (talk) 05:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

"Awkward" superscript / inline template?
It seems to me that Template:Awkward never existed. You could use, which looks like this: (it normaly links to article's talk page, it is instead bold here, because this is talk page). But I would suggest asking at WikiProject Inline Templates's talk page. They should know about this kind of templates. Svick (talk) 00:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Firefox formatting
(note: moved here from Talk:Third rail)


 * I can confirm this formatting glitch is evident on my Firefox also; however, I don't know how to fix it. I think it has something to do with the layout of the pictures in the article, as the two "out-of-place" edit links line up with one.  Anyone have a clue?  I've seen a similar visual glitch in other articles, which have been fixed by other editors.  I think it might be because so many of the images are in a line? Peace and Passion (talk) 05:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. I just noticed there's another one out of place in the history section, also lined up with an image. Hope someone knows what's going on ;) Peace and Passion (talk) 05:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there. From what I can gather, you're having a problem with the "edit section" links? In that case, please see How to fix bunched-up edit links. If I've got this all wrong, please let me know. Hope this helps; for more help, you can either;


 * Leave a message on my own talk page;
 * Use another here,;
 * Talk to us live, with this or this.


 * Cheers,  Chzz  ►  05:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

That warning
I was going to do that myself. Chevy  Impala   2009  00:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk pages
Do note that those sort of comments should be left on the talk page of the article. Otherwise, the template is sufficient enough to alert users. Thanks, –blurpeace (talk) 03:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's quite alright. When you need to leave a note for other editors on an article, though editor's do not employ this technique often, you can leave an XHTML comment (e.g. ). –blurpeace (talk) 03:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Archive link
oh, thanks for fixing that. This is such a strange compelling hobby. i click the random article link to find articles to fix, and im always amused.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Section tagging
I was just going through articles slowly cleaning up, and I noticed you tagged the section Current_TV with a template saying it ought to be in prose. I was considering cleaning it up, and wondering if you have any suggestions on how to turn such an extensive list into prose?
 * Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 06:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Start with WP:NLIST and cut out all the black and red names. Then look to see which of the remaining names are sourced to being in the show (by doing a Google search), and while doing that gather any interesting information about the hosts that are left, and from this material write up the prose section. You cannot do much just with the names on that list - it does, unfortunately, mean doing some research. You might decide as you are going through the list of people who have standalone articles to put some of them up for AfD, as they have questionable notability. That somebody has a job on TV doesn't make them notable - see WP:ENTERTAINER. Adam Yamaguchi's article, for example, reads like a promotional CV - it has no sources, and a quick look on Google turned up blogs rather than anything reliable. OK, a lot of work, but that is why I didn't do it myself - but I couldn't, after reading the article, leave such an awful list unremarked upon! A name that stands out that you could find interesting material on, is Laura Ling, but there's already a section on her. It might be easier to just remove the whole section and replace it with a category: Category:Hosts of Current TV. If you do struggle with it, ping me again and I'll chip in. Regards  SilkTork  *YES! 09:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

You have a message
Wikify is about formatting the article so it properly laid out and contains wikilinks to other articles. You're right that prose is a bit dodgy. The tone tag is what you're looking for I think. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 20:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup templates
Wikipedia features a dizzying array of templates to identify a variety of cleanup issues. I was quite out to sea until I came across Template messages/Cleanup. It's a handy template listing page with an explanation of what each template is for. I hope this helps you with your editting. I wish you good travels through Wikipedia. Cheers! -- Whpq (talk) 20:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Template messages/Sources of articles

Re: The Singles 81–85
It's been a while since I remember editing in any sort of serious way, but thank you for agreeing with me and making the changes. And for updating the template. » ɧʒЖ χ (ταικ•κоŋτяљ) 05:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:MOSTM
MOSTM does not consider hidden meanings or alternative interpretations of non-standard styling. This is something that can be discussed in the article provided appropriate reliable sources are provided. Basically, non-standard styling is not used unless exceptional circumstances arise. There are no such reasons for Clouddead to be rendered in a non-standard manner. As far as consistency goes, I entirely agree. However, if you could be a little more patient, changing the non-standard styling takes time. It is quite easy to miss some examples, and not that difficult to correct them. Regards Nouse4aname (talk) 07:47, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you aren't presenting a convincing argument to retain cLOUDDEAD over Clouddead. The artist will.i.am is entirely different to his birthname of William. As you admit youself, you don't even know if there is any meaning behind the stylistic rendering of Clouddead. Assuming that there is would amount to no more than original research. As for the artist being a source for the styling of their name - this is in fact not considered on Wikipedia. We look at reliable, independent sources. The artist or band is clearly not independent, and so does not hold as much weight as more reliable sources. Regards Nouse4aname (talk) 08:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Cheers
Thanks for this. Cheers Nouse4aname (talk) 08:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha, seems it all kicked off then! Apologies for not responding, I was away for the weekend. Cheers again! Nouse4aname (talk) 09:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!
It was entirely unexpected. I appreciate your comments and the "socratic barnstar" recognition. Yes, I am editing little things here and there,  none of which are as controversial or contentious as the Dr. Phil page. Thanks again. Pgm8693 (talk) 07:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Warnings issued to 58.168.215.11
Hello. I am curious as to why you issued five warnings in nine minutes to, when the IP only made one edit during this time period. As a relatively new Wikipedia editor, perhaps you are not aware that escalated levels of warnings should only be issued if an editor ignores the previous warnings? As it states at WP:UTM, issuing more than one warning level simultaneously serves no purpose as the IP did not get the previous message before you issued another, escalating warning. As such, I have declined your block request. Please let me know if you have any questions or issues. Thanks, — Kralizec! (talk) 03:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * On my talk page you said, "it seems rather bizarre to decline to block an editor who has made 14 edits of which 14 were vandalism of a clearly insidious and intentional nature ... when there is a blatant vandal, they ought to be treated like a blatant vandal." Please be aware that as per Wikipedia's official Blocking policy, blocks are not punitive, they are instead only used to prevent continuing disruption.  Additionally WP:BLOCK states that, "before a block is imposed, efforts should be made to educate the user about our policies and guidelines, and to warn them when their behaviour conflicts with our policies and guidelines," which is why the second criteria at WP:AIV says that "the user must be given sufficient recent warnings to stop."  The fact that this IP was able to make over a dozen vandalism edits is a failure of the Wikipedia community to effectively educate the user.  Since the IP appears to have stopped vandalizing after receiving his or her third warning (or so I presume as this appears to be a productive edit), the ten later instances of vandalism might never have happened if the IP had been properly warned to begin with.  — Kralizec! (talk) 13:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Working on it ... — Kralizec! (talk) 19:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * This is actually a bit more complicated than it might appear, as I have found five different accounts (four unregistered) that are doing the same thing. The two most recently used accounts have been blocked, including the IP listed above (which I just blocked for 31 hours).  I have gone through and removed from various articles another half-dozen "Peter Dais" insertions going as far back as July.  Let me know if/when you run into this person's next IP.  Thanks, — Kralizec! (talk) 19:59, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The edit filter I requested was approved. Hopefully this will encourage our vandal to move on to a more productive hobby. — Kralizec! (talk) 18:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

As above
Since you ask to be told when you've done the wrong thing (because you "try to do the right thing") I'll say that you've mischaracterised my (lighthearted) use of the word "yenta", and inserted yourself into a situation you don't seem to have been a part of in order to make personal attacks of your own. Not pompous perhaps, but presumptive. Ελληνικά όρος ή φράση (talk) 07:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but...
Sorry for my "disruptive edit" to William Shatner, but he did in fact screw up $10,000 on The $10,000 Pyramid in 1975. Look it up. It's on YouTube. Sorry, but it's my job, and I just wanted to correct you. I don't want to be blocked from Wikipedia. Hope you reply, 66.231.12.116 (talk) 20:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Here's the link
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4K8LtgZHk I can't use refrences due to grueling work, with the exception of this one. 66.231.12.116 (talk) 19:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

BC Ferries
I've offered the term "similar" in a general sense, simply providing marine transportation services between Vancouver Island and the B.C. Mainland. --  Denelson83  00:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

RE: AIV
Hey there! Sorry it took us such a long time, but I've finally gotten around to replying to this. Basically, you'd be safe talking to User:Gurch, though he can be inactive for some periods sometimes. You could also try asking the experienced hugglers. Sorry I couldn't help you more, but I know nothing about code; I've never seen Huggle aggressively resolve edit conflicts like that. Cheers, Master of Puppets  - Call me MoP! :D  18:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Peter Dais
I've raised the issue at WP:ANI. If you have any evidence of IP users adding "Peter Dais" to articles please provide it. I've already got 24.18.108.88 in the report.

Sorry about that...
Unfortunately, leaving his questions in place doesn't seem to discourage him. I hope you'll keep at the Desks in the future &mdash; the vast majority of questions aren't being asked by banned trolls, and your efforts are very much appreciated. Cheers! TenOfAllTrades(talk) 04:06, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the fix...this is why I shouldn't edit after working 46 hours in the last 4 days! Frmatt (talk) 03:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Tarmo Oja
Concerning the notability of Tarmo Oja, how many people have asteroids named after them. I would say in the history of mankind only several hundred people have had such celestial objects named after them. How is that not notable? Also, if you delete this entry, you diminish the value of Wikipedia. People refer to Wikipedia for information that cannot be found in other encyclopedias. Someone looking for information on the Oja asteroid might well want to know whom the asteroid was named after. That information would certainly be notable to them. If the article is deleted, then I will create an article on the asteroid and you can determine if a small rock floating in outer space is notable. Wikipedia is quickly diminishing in value and quality because editors like you see fit to delete the very articles that make Wikipedia such a gem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.185.16.238 (talk) 13:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Japanese residences
Hi! You might be interested to learn that List of National Treasures of Japan (residences) is being improved in the same spirit as the sculptures, paintings and shrines lists. The table is basically ready and the lead section is being worked on here. Comments/suggestions welcome. bamse (talk) 12:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The residences list is now complete including the lead. Recently a residence in Tokyo was designated. Seems your wish for more equal geographic distribution was heard ;-) The newly designated residence is the Akasaka Palace. Technically it is in a category of its own: "modern residences" (Meiji period and later) while the other 14 residences are much older. Nevertheless I added it to List of National Treasures of Japan (residences) since they are all residences. bamse (talk) 21:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Avril Lavigne
Great catch, thanks for noticing the phrasing that needed clarification. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  04:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Windows Update restarts
Sorry about the edit :/ the issue is that, on vista WU does not reboot automatically. Windows 7 I have since heard does.. I don't know about behavior on Windows Server. I have rephrased it, clarifying this but leaving it vague about Windows Server.. It's not great but better than before. Cyberlemming (talk) 01:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Articles with most FAs across all Wikipedia
Since you had not returned after your last post at the help desk thread on the above topic, I didn't know if you had seen the follow-up. Nothing definitive but Julius Caesar seems like a good candidate with 13 FAs.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:43, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Taste
You edited the taste page but wrote, "the sci. community only recently recognized the taste-tastic benefits of umami", which isn't quite true. The founder of umami published a sci. paper in 1908. Maybe the Western world wasn't the entity that "only recently" re-discovered umami, but I don't think it was the sci. community, either. Fleetham (talk) 02:49, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

response
Here's a link to a shortened and translated version of Ikeda's 1909 paper on his "wonderous" 1907 discovery: While this is from 2002, the bottom it say, "translated from and 75% smaller than than Ikea's work".

And while I appreciate your re-phrasing of the lead/lede, I still don't think it's accurate. The Times citation you used certainly doesn't support it.

I think it must have been our The Western world that only recently discovered this taste, because didn't the Chinese use MSG a lot even as far back as the 70s?

Maybe you should re-phrase the lede again and maybe I should look for a better supporting citation. Fleetham (talk) 03:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Possible citations
It may be difficult to find a citation that gives "recognition" of umami as a basic taste. But it was "only recently popularized in the West," so here are some cites for that:


 * Umami as a 2010 trend
 * Umami as a 2010 trend
 * Umami as a 2010 trend
 * 35 sci. papers published post-2000 v. 13 prr-2000
 * recently recognized in Peru

We can see not only the Sci. community is recognizing umami. Some say "foodies" are, but so are the media outlets reporting the story :P

Response 2
How about "...only recently recognized in Western cuisine"? Because that's "totally true" and my newly-found citations support that. I do want to leave something in the lead about umami being "new to you" so the reader who didn't prior know about umami doesn't think himself an idiot and to drive acceptance of it as a legitimate, common basic taste. How about, "only recently recognized by you but only because you wanted to know about super-tasters"? Fleetham (talk) 05:40, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Ganfyd for deletion
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The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Ganfyd until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Burhan Ahmed &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  10:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
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Finger pointing to the moon
Hi,

I just found your unanswered request for the source of The epistemology of this view is quite similar to the Buddhist view of language: words are just indicators of conflicts, since if no conflict existed, there would be no need to speak. I am aware of similar views on language in Buddhism and Quakerism but neither of them include the reference to conflict. In Buddhism: "Words are like fingers pointing to the moon." In Quakerism: "Truth can not be captured in words."

The Zen story in Amanda's reply to Finger Pointing to the Moon doesn't give a source.

John, a Quirky Quaker John Harvey, Wizened Web Wizard Wannabe (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome
I know what you mean. It's unfortunate as he really has historical significance, but some people confuse the novels with the truth. I've known him for a long time as well and he's actually done business deals with a few of my friends. I'll say this much...it takes a certain "personality" to be able to do what he did within the military bureacracy at the time; unfortunately he brings that to his business dealings as well. I'll hang out with him, drink with him, swap stories with him and would back him up in a bar fight...but I'd never do business with the man if you know what I mean. I need to get in there and work on that piece one of these days. It's come a long way from where it used to be, but still has a lot farther to go.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 00:02, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

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