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Tech News: 2020-02
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * When trying to move a page, if the target title already exists then a warning message is shown. The warning message will now include a link to the target title.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 January. It will be on all wikis from 9 January (calendar).

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Tech News: 2020-03
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Recent changes
 * You can no longer read Wikimedia wikis if your browser use very old TLS. This is because it is a security problem for everyone. It can lead to downgrade attacks. Since 9 December you just see a warning. Soon the browser will not connect to the wikis at all. Most are users on Android systems older than 4.4. You can read the browser recommendations.
 * Special:LinkSearch has been moved from the "" section on Special:SpecialPages to the "" section.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-tools.svg Wikis can protect pages so that only some users can edit them. The standard protection levels are and . If your wiki use more protection levels the technical name might be renamed for standardisation. This doesn't affect what users see.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 January. It will be on all wikis from 16 January (calendar).

Future changes
 * Deepcat and Catgraph will stop working. This will happen at the end of January. This is because you can now use the normal search function instead.
 * You can use  to merge footnotes that follow each other. It is meant to be used for digitised books on Wikisource. If the order of the footnotes is wrong no error was shown but the bad was shown outside the  tag if you need to continue running Python 2 scripts. The Pywikibot team strongly recommends to migrate to Python 3. You can get help to do so.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The weekly MediaWiki branch cut will soon become automated. The timing for this cut may change. You can discuss in Phabricator if this affects you.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can read about coming technical events and mentoring interns.

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Saturday Jan 25: Met 'Understanding America' Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art
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Tech News: 2020-05
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Problems
 * Some mobile diffs have problems. A couple of buttons are not shown. Structured data diffs on Commons are confusing. The developers are working on fixing it.
 * Administrators on wikis that use Structured Discussions can't move discussion pages. This is a bug. The developers are working on fixing it.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * There is JavaScript code on Special:Undelete for administrators that makes it possible to automatically select multiple checkboxes by holding the "Shift" key and clicking. This code is also loaded by accident on other special pages and on articles. This makes pages slower to load. This will be fixed. If you know of other special pages where this is useful please tell the developers at T232688.

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Tech News: 2020-06
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Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 February. It will be on all wikis from 6 February (calendar).

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Tech News: 2020-07
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Recent changes
 * There is a new version of the Wikimedia Commons app for Android. It should fix the failed uploads problem.

Problems
 * There was a problem with the new MediaWiki version last week. It deleted some messages by accident. The new version was late because it was stopped to fix things.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-tools.svg The MediaWiki action API is used by various tools like bots and gadgets. Some error codes will change. Some parameter values that do not follow the standard will no longer work.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 February. It will be on all wikis from 13 February (calendar).

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Help, please on Draft:Behind the Headlines with Wen Tao
Peaceray, wondering if I can get some guidance to publish this page : Draft:Behind the Headlines with Wen Tao. This is the longest Chinese talk show. Due to its content and target audience, it is probably the most influence one in internationally Chinese community. thanks. Nidmwiki (talk) 22:06, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I will have a look as I can. BTW, as per the WP:TALKNEW guideline, you should "Start new topics at the bottom of the page". Also see Help:Talk pages. Peaceray (talk) 05:24, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see Draft talk:Behind the Headlines with Wen Tao. Peaceray (talk) 06:22, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the rookie mistake. Appreciate your help on the editing of the draft and the suggestions on the source. I will discuss with further on Draft talk:Behind the Headlines with Wen Tao Nidmwiki (talk) 00:13, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Feb 19: WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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Tech News: 2020-08
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Recent changes
 * Pages on Wikidata and Commons now load faster. You can read more about page load performance.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 February. It will be on all wikis from 20 February (calendar).

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Tech News: 2020-09
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Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 February. It will be on all wikis from 27 February (calendar).

Future changes
 * There will be a reply button after each post on a talk page if you want one. This will soon be a beta feature on the Arabic, French, Dutch and Hungarian Wikipedias. You will have to turn it on if you want to use it. It will come to more wikis later. You can test the reply button. It was briefly shown earlier than planned by mistake on the four first wikis last week.

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Tech News: 2020-10
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Problems
 * Readers who were not logged in briefly saw the interface in a language decided by their browser. It should normally be in the language of the wiki. This happened for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug.

Changes later this week
 * If you forget your password you can ask for a new one to be sent to your email address. You need to know your email address or your username. You will now be able to choose that you need to enter both your email address and your username. This will be a preference. This is to get fewer password reset emails someone else asked for.
 * When you asked for a new password you could see if the username didn't exist on Special:PasswordReset. Now the page will show the username you entered and tell you an email has been sent if the username exists. This is for better security.
 * On Special:WhatLinksHere you can see what other pages link to a page. You can see if the link is from a redirect. You can now see which section the redirect links to.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. You can give feedback.
 * There is a vote on the creation of a new user group called abuse filter manager. The vote runs from March 1 to March 31 on Meta.
 * Octicons-tools.svg  was used for the mobile site. It was deprecated in 2017. It will stop working in April. Wikis should see if they use it. If they do they should fix it. You can read more and ask for help. This affects 183 wikis. There is a list.

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Tech News: 2020-11
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Recent changes
 * There is a new search word called . You can use it to search for articles on a specific topic. It is available on the Arabic, Czech, English and Vietnamese Wikipedias. It will come to more Wikipedias soon.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 March. It will be on all wikis from 12 March (calendar).

Future changes
 * There is a plan for new requirements for user signatures. You can give feedback.
 * The Wikipedia Android app will do push notifications if users want them. This could help you see for example when someone wrote on your talk page or your edit was reverted. This will come later this year.

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Tech News: 2020-12
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Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg There is a new API module for changing the content model of existing pages. Use  to specify the new model. You can read the documentation on mediawiki.org.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 March. It will be on all wikis from 19 March (calendar).

Future changes
 * If you edit a page at the same time as someone else you can get an edit conflict. There is a new two-column interface to make it easier to solve this. It will soon be active by default on the German, Arabic, and Farsi Wikipedias. It will be on by default on more wikis within the next months. You will be able to opt out of the new interface.
 * You can see a proposed design for replying to comments in an easier way.

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March 18: First ever ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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Tech News: 2020-13
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Problems
 * Some development will be slower than planned. This is because of the current pandemic. You can see the new deployment guidelines. This is to avoid risks when some persons could be unavailable.
 * There was a problem when adding interwiki links. The tool you use to add interwiki links could suggest the wrong project to link to. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 March. It will be on all wikis from 26 March (calendar).

Future changes
 * There is a project to make editing easier for newcomers. The developers are trying to understand what initiatives different Wikipedias have to welcome newcomers. They also want to know which templates are often used for maintenance activities. You can help this project by checking if your wiki's pages are listed on Wikidata.

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If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page
,

per your message on my talk page:

Please read WP:BRD and WP:CONSENSUS again. user General Iroh, the Dragon of the West made a bold edit, that I contested afterwards, and then you contested my edit. Hence none of his version, none of my version gained consensus, so I legally unlink that part according to the rules, since I opened a discussion in the talk, and we concluded we don't have consensus (as as well that the original linking was no ok). So with your misinterpration of the rules you've made this warning as a mistake, since I did not do any uncronstructive edit, on the contrary!

As result your statement of arbitrarily enforce your own point of view in your edits is false, you did this by reverting my unlinking, since than you support a version that a same way does not have consensus, so worst case the article should have been rolled back before any of the subjects mentioned edited.

I kindly ask you please very carefully analyze WP:RULES, because since a while you continously misinterpreting them, or not using them properly. Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 17:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC))


 * I am well familiar with WP:BRD & WP:CONSENSUS. My opinion is that you are abiding by neither. Your opinion is that you do, & that I do not. I heartily disagree with you. Please continue arriving at consensus on Talk:Hedy_Lamarr. Peaceray (talk) 17:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Come on, do you undertand the BRD cycle right? General Iroh, the Dragon of the West made a bold edit (B)....I contested (R), entered on the talk, discussed (D). After we concluded having no consensus, I did not set my preferred version, not even yours of or Dragon of the West's, but simply none of them, but unlinked...if you know these rules, than you should have known you have to revert with such argumentation further, as I indicated, per the status quo ante principle (otherwise you are not neutral, because you set others and yours preferred version, that did not have consensus either)...Hope you see this, really...(KIENGIR (talk) 17:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC))


 * I am no longer engaging you here. There is a discussion at Talk:Hedy_Lamarr. Please continue the discussion there, where our comments will have greater visibility. Peaceray (talk) 17:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-14
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Recent changes
 * The beta version of the Wikipedia app for Android can now help users add tags on Commons. These tags are called depicts.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 April. It will be on all wikis from 2 April (calendar).

Future changes
 * The video player will change to be simpler and more modern. The current beta feature will become the video player for everyone. The old player will be removed.
 * There is a project to make templates easier to use. The next few weeks the developers will present ideas on the project page. You can watch that page if you are interested in giving feedback.

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If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page 2
Hello, I did a modification in the page of Demographics of sexual orientation because it says that "The World Health Organization estimates a worldwide prevalence of men who have sex with men between 3 and 16%" If you follow the reference of the study used you will see that the information of "3 and 16%" is reported by Frontline AIDS, formerly known as the International HIV/AIDS Alliance (IHAA), so this is not the World Health Organization and therefore it should be amended. That's why I changed it. Is that not correct? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.41.87 (talk) 14:01, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


 * You are largely correct. There is a redirect for both International HIV/AIDS Alliance & International HIV/AIDS Alliance (IHAA) that goes to Frontline AIDS. I think it is better to use the orginal author name as that is more direct & less confusing. Sometimes when hastily vetting, I can get confused. Sorry about that.
 * I have changed Demographics of sexual orientation to reflect this & to improve the citation. While you can see the changes there, I changed the wikitext to read as so:




 * Peaceray (talk) 14:53, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you sir. Now information is more accurate! Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.41.87 (talk) 23:14, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-15
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Problems
 * There was a problem with user pages not being shown properly on desktop. This was because of a bug. It will soon be fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 April. It will be on all wikis from 9 April (calendar).

Future changes
 * MediaWiki will use a newer version of Unicode. Some characters that did not have an upper case equivalent before do now. Titles beginning with one of these characters will be moved. A list of these titles can be seen on Phabricator. The titles will be renamed by the user . This will start on 13 April 2020. You can rename them before this if you wish and the new title can be different from the one the script would rename it to.

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Tech News: 2020-16
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Recent changes
 * You can now use the  search word on all Wikipedias. It searches articles by topic.
 * You can see wiki tools in the new Tools Gallery.
 * You can see edits from the Wikimedia Cloud Services in a new dashboard.
 * When you use filters on a history page you sometimes don't see any edits. There is a text explaining this now. Before it was just empty.
 * There is a new Wikimedia Technical Blog.

Problems
 * There was a problem with the Wikidata database last week. Some wikis went down for twenty minutes. Wikidata and other projects showed error messages. Interwiki links were not shown, some tools did not work and other problems. Some of this was fixed quickly. The developers are working on fixing the rest.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from April 14. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from April 15. It will be on all wikis from April 16 (calendar).

Future changes
 * Some graphs have not worked on mobile. This will soon be fixed.
 * The article tab on talk pages of redirects links to the target of the redirect. It could link to the redirect page itself instead. You can leave feedback on this.
 * For pages using syntax highlighting, the use of the deprecated  tag, as well as the use of the deprecated   parameter, will add tracking categories.

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Social distancing move request
(cc: ) The previous move request was closed twelve days ago and there's no significant new information. What's to prevent the requester from waiting ten minutes after it's rejected this time and submitting it a third time? I'm new to this aspect of Wikipedia, but this can't possibly be the way the system is supposed to work. Am I missing something? Thanks, Dan Bloch (talk) 18:55, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I would refer you to Requested moves. I have already expressed my views at Talk:Social distancing & Talk:Social distancing. I also admonished Behzad Azarmju M.D at Talk:Physical distancing for the move of Social distancing to Physical distancing against consensus after reverting that editor's actions. My subsequent actions have been to keep things tidy at Talk:Physical distancing#Move discussion &  Talk:Social distancing. I think that your comments should probably go with that discussion or any that are opened at WP:RM. You're preaching to the choir here. Peaceray (talk) 19:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. Dan Bloch (talk) 20:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Max C. Starkloff
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-17
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Tech News
 * The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 4 May 2020.

Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg The small wiki toolkits is to help smaller wikis that need technical skills. They can learn and share technical skills.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Over-qualified CSS selectors in Wikimedia skins have been removed.  is now  .   is now  .   is now  . This is so the skins can use HTML5 elements. If your gadgets or user styles used them you will have to update them.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * Some things on the wikis might look weird or not work in Internet Explorer 8 in the future. Internet Explorer 8 was replaced in 2011.
 * The font in the diffs will change.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 April next week. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 April next week. It will be on all wikis from 30 April next week (calendar).

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April 22: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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Dumfries
Hi! i noticed you changed back my correction on dumfries. We have absolutely ZERO “countries” in Scotland. A common mistake to make by nonetheless i decided to change it as it wasn’t accurate thanks! Samanthajaneh1 (talk) 21:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * While I do note that jurisdictions have changed, your edits went beyond that to replacing valid templates with non-existent templates, changing image files to non-existent image files. This is not just about correcting jurisdiction labels. Please pay attention to the results of your editing. Peaceray (talk) 21:40, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Dumfries
Hi! im new to editing on Wiki and dont know what templates, images etc you mean. If you could change this without me disrupting the content myself i’d welcome that. Thank you! Samanthajaneh1 (talk) 21:50, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have to go back to work. I live in Seattle (I'm 1/16th Scottish, BTW). It would be best if you would please read Talk page guidelines & discuss your desired changes at Talk:Dumfriesshire. Peaceray (talk) 22:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Issue 38, January – April 2020
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 * New partnership
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Tech News: 2020-19
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Problems
 * Some wikis will be on read-only for a few minutes on 5 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.
 * Some wikis will be on read-only for a few minutes on 7 May. This will also affect CentralAuth. This can for example affect global renames, password changes, changing or confirming your email address and logging in to new wikis. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.

Changes later this week
 * You can get a notification when someone links to a page you created. You can soon turn these notifications off for individual pages.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 May. It will be on all wikis from 7 May (calendar).

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Wendy Carlos Gender Dysphoria
Thanks Peaceray for the correction of my language. I will remove the word "moronic" but I'm leaving in "bullying" because there's no other way to describe the belligerence displayed by the editors who insist on bolding a deadname in the lede. I will do this out of respect for the "feelings" of these moronic editors. I wish they could show the same courtesy toward Wendy.Rcarlberg (talk) 15:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Peaceray, I researched long and hard before I made my edit, and I decided highlighting "one of the first public figures" was unnecessary. Three reasons for my decision: 1) if you go the the Wikipedia article on "sex reassignment surgery" Wendy isn't even one of the patients mentioned. Therefore, calling her special in her own article seems hypocritical. 2) if you read the Wikipedia article on Harry Benjamin, who counseled Wendy, it lists patients undergoing gender dysphoria treatment in 1951, 1952, 1954, 1958, 1961 and 1963. Therefore Wendy's surgery in 1972 may NOT have been "one of the first public figures" afterall. 3) By highlighting Wendy's surgery, perhaps counterfactually, one elevates its importance when it is not, and should not be, the lead story on this composer. Please verify my research, and consider reversing your edit. Rcarlberg (talk) 21:18, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Let's please take this to Talk:Wendy Carlos as I believe that more editors discussing it there would be beneficial. Peaceray (talk) 04:27, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Wikipedia articles containing unlinked shortened footnotes


A tag has been placed on Category:Wikipedia articles containing unlinked shortened footnotes requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 13:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * This has received a general close, as the initiating complainant was blocked for edit warring and using uncited sources. Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 18:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2020-20
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Recent changes
 * Everyone can now import photos from Flickr to Commons with the UploadWizard. Before this only autopatrollers on Commons could import photos from Flickr.

Problems
 * Commons will be on read-only for a few minutes on 12 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.
 * Several wikis including Wikidata will be on read-only for a few minutes on 19 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. English Wikipedia will be on read-only for a few minutes on 21 May 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 May. It will be on all wikis from 14 May (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg JavaScript scripts and gadgets can no longer check multiple keys at once via  or  . You can use   or   to check one at a time instead.

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Hello, from a DR/N volunteer
This is a friendly reminder to involved parties that there is a current Dispute Resolution Noticeboard case still awaiting comments and replies. If the dispute is still ongoing, please add your input. Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 19:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

RFC for Carlos Gardel
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Reference
How do you put information for what you type my keeps getting undone and told I could get blocked. How do you put the information? Some things are from other Wikipedia articles and then they get undone. Thanks, TGH7. TGH7 (talk) 23:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not sure where to start, but I will point you to key information.
 * If you use VisualEditor, please see the sections on editing references & editing links (Wikilinks). This will do for regular text. Editing tables is more complex.
 * For editing Wikitext / Wiki markup, I recommend that you get used to this in your sandbox, User:TGH7/sandbox (turn that WP:REDLINK to blue). Please see the Help:Sandbox tutorial for more help on this. This may be particularly helpful for getting the knack of editing tables. Make liberal use of the Show preview button whenever you are editing Wikitext.
 * For guidance on creating references, see H:FOOT / Help:Footnotes
 * If you want to create your own citation to add to the Wikitext, I recommend using https://tools.wmflabs.org/citer/. You can drop in a URL (or ISBN or digital object identifier (DOI)) into the URL/DOI/ISBN field then Submit, & it will return a ref/citation in the named reference field. The citation that it returns in the Shortened footnote and citation field would be useful in the Further reading section for paper publications & External links for external URLs.
 * I recommend reading Citing sources & Reliable sources so that you will know how not to run afoul of Wikipedia's verifiability policy.
 * I know that is a lot to throw at you, but if you get good with those, you will rarely have a problem. I would stay away from anything involving living people initially until you get the hang of things. Once you do, then you can be bold & also seek consensus where necessary (please see the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle).
 * Welcome, & may you have happy & fruitful editing. Peaceray (talk) 15:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Back to the Future III edit reverted
Hi, my edit was intentional, it wasn't a test. I don't see how a space isn't needed there: you always put a space between the end of a word and an open parenthesis, it happens in sever other location in the very same article. May I reinstate the edit? Lopo (talk) 00:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * That was my mistake, & I reverted it. It rendered as two spaces for some reason when I I initially reverted it. I also removed the warning from your talk page. My apologies. Peaceray (talk) 00:42, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2020-21
<section begin="technews-2020-W21"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * If you forget your password you can ask for a new one to be sent to your email address. You need to know your email address or your username. You can choose that you need to enter both your email address and your username. This is a preference. This is to get fewer password reset emails someone else asked for. This is now available on all Wikimedia wikis.

Problems
 * There is a bug that creates problems for iPhone users with iOS 13 and Safari. If you use an iPhone to read or edit Wikipedia and see bugs on the mobile site you can report them.
 * Several wikis including Wikidata will be on read-only for a few minutes on 19 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. English Wikipedia will be on read-only for a few minutes on 21 May 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.

Changes later this week
 * The Wikipedia app for Android can let users add depicts on Commons. The beta version used computer-aided tagging. This was removed to get more specific depicts.
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * Graphs will be rendered in the reader's browser. This will use Javascript. Graphs will hopefully work better for everyone who uses Javascript. It will not work for users who don't use Javascript. This will not affect diagrams in image files.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Some CSS for the skins has been simplified. This affects ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,   and  . They will have to remove  . You will have to update your gadgets, scripts or user styles. This is so we can use HTML5.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Some CSS for the Vector skin has been changed. This affects ,  ,  ,   and  . They can no longer use  . You might need to update your gadgets, scripts or user styles. See how.

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You've got a cool user and talk page
Love your user+talk page!Amazingcaptain (talk) 17:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-22
<section begin="technews-2020-W22"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * The visual editor will now work in the Modern skin. The changes that needed to happen for this to work could cause problems for some scripts or gadgets.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from May 26. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from May 27. It will be on all wikis from May 28 (calendar).

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Tech News: 2020-23
<section begin="technews-2020-W23"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There is a new beta version of the Wikimedia Commons app for Android. It has a new zoom function when you look at images. It can also suggest places when you upload geotagged photos.

Problems
 * There was a problem with the Commons database on 27 May. Commons could not be edited for eight minutes. Because of this problem the database was moved. This caused another short read-only time on 29 May.
 * The Vector skin had a problem where you couldn't add links to the article in other languages. You couldn't see the section if there were no links to other languages already. It also removed content translation links and links to language settings. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * You can get a notification when someone links to a page you created. You can turn these notifications off for individual pages. You can soon turn them off also in the notifications you get.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 June. It will be on all wikis from 4 June (calendar).

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Communalism edit
Hi, you reverted my change on Communalism that removed the main page link under Libertarian municipalism. I removed it because it's a self link, there is no main page so it just links back to the subsection on Communalism. I think the link should be removed since it's useless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:AFC1:3300:4CD5:20BD:B95E:AFF (talk) 21:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * An anonymous editor removing a template without leaving an edit summary is indistinguishable from vandalism. Next time use the edit summary! Peaceray (talk) 04:45, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

GOCE June newsletter
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Tech News: 2020-24
<section begin="technews-2020-W24"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Some articles have tables that can be sorted in different ways. For example a list of countries can be sorted alphabetically but you can click on the size column to sort them by size. If you clicked on the column a second time it would sort the countries from the bottom to the top instead. A third click will now take you back to the original sorting.
 * Self-closed tags now work as in the HTML5 specifications. This means you should stop using some of them.  is an example of a self-closed tag that won't work.   can be self-closed. Pages with tags that should not be self-closed have been listed in a tracking category since 2016. They will be listed in Special:LintErrors/self-closed-tag. This doesn't affect   or.
 * There is a banner called . It is for example used by the Wikivoyages, Wikimedia Russia and the Catalan, Basque, Galician and Turkish Wikipedias. It will now been seen by mobile visitors too. Before this it was only seen on desktop. The wikis should update instructions on   so that editors know to test and style for mobile too.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can now edit MassMessage descriptions through the API. This is useful for tools and gadgets.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 June. It will be on all wikis from 11 June (calendar).

Future changes
 * A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. It will not work after 13 July. Wikis should use TemplateStyles instead. 118 wikis need to fix this. You can read more and see if your wiki is affected.

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Invitation to RedWarn
Hello, Peaceray! I noticed you have been using Twinkle and was wondering if you'd like to beta test my new tool, RedWarn, specifically designed to improve your editing experience.


 * Easy to use - Unlike other tools, RedWarn uses easy to interpret icons and simple summaries for common actions, reducing both learning and reading times.
 * Supports rollback and rollback-like functionality - Unlike Twinkle, RedWarn supports both rollback and rollback-like functionality for users will rollback permissions. This decreases waiting times during rollbacks.


 * Making life easier on the battlefield - Ever been in the middle of a vandalism war or campaign, frantically reloading the history page to see a new edit? No more! Enabling RedWarn's "Alert on Change" feature will automatically send you to the latest edit when a new edit occurs - and if you're working on something else, RedWarn will send you a notification while the tab is still open in the background. No time wasted.
 * Rollback previews - If you're ever worried about the changes a rollback will make, especially in the case of reverting good faith edits, you can click the rollback preview button to preview the difference a rollback will make, with the version that will be restored on the right, and the latest revision on the left.


 * Always the latest revision - RedWarn will automatically redirect you to the latest revision if the rollback is no longer for the latest revision - no more frustrating errors.


 * Fast - RedWarn can automatically select a warning level, and, on vandalism and content removal rollbacks, automatically select a warning template.


 * Built on your feedback - RedWarn is receiving frequent feature additions and changes based on your feedback. If there's something you don't like, or would like to see, just say!


 * and many more features ...but I don't want to fill your userpage.

RedWarn is currently in use by over 50 other Wikipedians, and feedback so far has been extremely positive. If you're interested, please see see the RedWarn tool page for more information on RedWarn's features which I haven't listed here. Otherwise, feel free to remove this message from your page. If you have any further questions, please ping me or leave a message on my talk page. Your feedback is much appreciated! <span style="font-family:'Roboto',sans-serif;font-weight:300;color:red;text-shadow: 2px 2px 10px black;">Ed6767  talk!  14:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I will have a look. Thanks! Peaceray (talk) 14:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks! Let me know how it works out for you. <span style="font-family:'Roboto',sans-serif;font-weight:300;color:red;text-shadow: 2px 2px 10px black;">Ed6767  talk!  14:35, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 39, May – June 2020
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 39, May – June 2020 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * Library Card Platform
 * New partnerships
 * ProQuest
 * Springer Nature
 * BioOne
 * CEEOL
 * IWA Publishing
 * ICE Publishing
 * Bytes in brief

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June 2020
hello, i am Videogamefan837, and i was looking at the wikipedia article when i was looking for how much value bitcoin was in 2009, but it said basically nothing, so i decided to calculate myself based on what evidence i did have, which was someone paying $27 in 2009 for 2000 bitcoins, so i calculated from their, however, since they were just calculated, i didnt have a source for my conclusions, so thats how that happened — Preceding unsigned comment added by Videogamefan837 (talk • contribs) 09:12, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, The extrapolation by calculation at the History of bitcoin article would constitute original research, which is counter to Wikipedia policy. It is always much better to find a citation for a value. Peaceray (talk) 17:19, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Biographies vs Autobiographies
While most of the time, we only edit other people's biographies, is it possible to do up our own? The only issue I can see is finding appropriate citations, since my history is difficult to track at times. Since I'm using a pseudonym on here, I'm not really wanting to do some of it on my wiki-editors page. Although there are people who know me by this name as well as my legal name. Stardust dragonryder (talk) 20:46, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-25
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Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Toolforge hosts several tools created by the Wikimedia community like edit counters or enhanced editors. It is changing the domain from tools.wmflabs.org to toolforge.org. The routing scheme is moving from tools.wmflabs.org/toolname to toolname.toolforge.org. You can read the details. Tools that use OAuth will have to be updated to keep working. You can ask for help.

Problems
 * There is a Wikidata item link in the sidebar on many pages. This disappeared for a couple of days for users who have the Monobook skin. This was because of a bug. It has now been fixed.
 * Editing, logging in and logging out didn't work properly for a short period of time last week. It was soon fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 June. It will be on all wikis from 18 June (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Pywikibot is a Python library to automate work on wikis. It will not support Python 2 after the new version in July. Support for Python 3.4 and MediaWiki below 1.19 will also be dropped. You should migrate to Python 3. You can ask for help.
 * The selectors  and   will no longer work in the Vector skin. This can affect gadgets and user scripts.    should be replaced by  .   should be replaced by.

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Howard Markel page
Hi Peaceray,

I believe your concerns regarding Howard Markel's entry have been addressed since you added the tags to his page in January, 2020. Would you be comfortable removing those tags now? While I did not write the material about which you expressed concern (re: his book The Kelloggs) I have written some material on the page and did work at the research center directed by Howard Markel from 2012 - 2015. I can declare this potential conflict wherever it is most appropriate.

If you do not feel comfortable removing the tags on his page, would you mind sharing suggestions for further edits? Thanks. WolverineHistorian (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed the templates. Please follow Conflict of interest to declare your potential conflict on the talk page. You might want to consider this for any University of Michigan related article that you work on going forward, given that your username reflects the U. of Michigan mascot. Peaceray (talk) 04:57, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2020-26
<section begin="technews-2020-W26"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * There are some new tools to make it easier for newcomers to start editing. They are available on some wikis. These wikis had a problem with the visual editor for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug in the new tools. It was soon fixed.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Some user scripts and gadgets stopped working because of a change to CSS selectors.  should be replaced with   to fix this.

Changes later this week
 * The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. This will be released on 24 June. You can give feedback.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 June. It will be on all wikis from 25 June (calendar).

Future changes
 * A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. It will not work after 13 July. Wikis should use TemplateStyles instead. 91 wikis still need to fix this. You can read more and see if your wiki is affected.

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Tech News: 2020-27
<section begin="technews-2020-W27"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * Everyone was logged out. This was because a few users saw the wikis as if they were logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now.
 * Some readers didn't see new edits to pages. If the page had been recently changed they saw an older version of the page instead. This only affected readers who were logged out. It lasted for ten days. It has been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 July. It will be on all wikis from 1 July (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg The Modern and Monobook skins use the ID  for the go button. This is   for Vector. To have the same ID for all skins it will change to   in Monobook and Modern too. This will affect gadgets and user scripts. It will happen on 23 July. They should be updated to use  . You can read more and see a list of affected scripts.

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Tech News: 2020-28
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Problems
 * The Score extension has been disabled for now. This is because of a security issue. It will work again as soon as the security issue has been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 July. It will be on all wikis from 9 July (calendar).

Future changes
 * Abstract Wikipedia is a new Wikimedia project. It will collect language-independent information that can be easily read in different languages. It builds on Wikidata. The name is preliminary. You can read more.
 * The iOS Wikipedia app developers are thinking about new experimental tools. If you use an iPhone you can help them by answering the survey.
 * Some rules for user signatures will soon be enforced. Lint errors and invalid HTML will no longer be allowed in user signatures. Nested substitution will not be allowed. A link to your user page, user talk page or user contributions will be required. You can check if your signature works with the new rules. This is because the signatures can cause problems for tools or other text on the page.

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Tech News: 2020-29
<section begin="technews-2020-W29"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Users can thank others for their edits. Checkusers can now see user data related to that action. This can help identify sock puppets who harass others using thanks.

Problems
 * Everyone was logged out a couple of weeks ago to fix a security problem. The problem was not entirely fixed. Because of this everyone was logged out once again last week.

Changes later this week
 * Wikis that are not for one specific language can translate pages. Sometimes parts of translations are outdated or missing. Outdated translations are marked with a pink background . Missing translations will also be marked in the future. This markup can sometimes break things. It can soon be disabled by using  on the source page.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 July. It will be on all wikis from 16 July (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Wikimedia code review plans to use GitLab. It would be hosted on Wikimedia servers.

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Help Sir
Hello Mr. Peaceray. Hope you are well during this pandemic. I was someone you helped last year when I started working on contributions on wiki. There is a situation unfolding on the Swaminarayan Sampradaya page that maybe you could help on. Some users have clearly picked one branches sources. Yesterday a couple IP addresses removed a lot of biased contents (some of which I could corroborate with independent sources and I did). Some Was not supportable so I reverted it. Now it has devolved into a undo match. I think you would be the perfect neutral party or even some guidance would be nice. I have tried to stay neutral in all this and respectful. I see merit on both sides but the BAPS side is removing anything they don't like that the IP adds and the IP is removing stuff they feel is BAPS specific. I proposed a neutral consensus/resolution. I proposed that the page remain strictly to temples, idols and scriptures created by Swaminarayan himself and it link off to each branch where that branches ideology can be outlined. That page is currently dominated by one branch, using one branches documents, in this case all Baps books, for support would violate the (Neutrality of sources) policy by my understanding as they have a vested interest being one branch within the Swaminarayan family. Even from imagery, there is 10 images on that page and 7 are from BAPS and 3 specifically highlight their leader even tho the image is suppose to be something else. The IP's do raise a very valid point about this. Similarly, the IP'S posted some accusatory text, which they used a citation already being used by BAPS, which the 3 baps editors are removing saying that content "does not merit inclusion" since it is negative about them. its just endless back and forth at this point.

I feel my proposal of using only original swaminarayan sources for any claims on that page, then linking to each branch, seems like a very reasonable middle ground but literally no one is willing to talk about consensus and just undoing each other. You were an awesome guide early on and extremely helpful and respectful and knowledgeable on the topic. As well as being a veteran wiki contributor. I would appreciate any feedback. Kbhatt22 (talk) 23:35, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * First, I am going to recommend that you look at WP:Dispute resolution requests. I have used WP:Third opinion then add your own dispute to good effect. There is also the WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard. Please see WP:Dispute resolution requests/Guide, too.
 * I recognize that there is urgency to this situation. Normally I might have time over the weekend to attend to a matter like this, but I am in the process of moving my residence. I will check in as I am able, but I do recommend pursuing the dispute resolution processes.
 * Peaceray (talk) 14:56, 17 July 2020 (UTC)


 * @ Thank you very much for the guidance and direction. Totally understandable about timing and no problem at all. I greatly appreciate the direction you have given me here. Even between my reach out yesterday to now, the page has been locked down, people are getting flagged/banned, there is dialogue spread over 5-6 different pages. A few other people are chiming in at least for mutual consensus so its not a lop sided discussion. If it continues, I will totally go down the dispute workflow you provided. I wish you all the best with the move! Thanks again! :) Kbhatt22 (talk) 15:11, 17 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey @. I thought I'd just update that after about 2 weeks, I went and filled out the formal dispute form: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Swaminarayan_Sampradaya I felt like I was just going in circles with the same points and no one was directly suggesting where my proposed neutral consensus would be the wrong approach. Sorry for being a burden on you like this. Hoping to follow through the 4 proposed edits in my sandbox and take a break from wiki :) Most importantly, hope the move went well!! Kbhatt22 (talk) 13:10, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey @ I wanted to thank you for the help and direction as this all closes out. Turns out the Dispute board was resolution by consensus which I never had a chance at winning. Here is another user who contributes to Hindu pages that just went though what I did over the last 2 months. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Swaminarayan_Sampradaya&diff=973066950&oldid=973066838#Devotees_ownership
 * Spent a lot of time over 2 months, at one point cried over all the things being said and how exhausting it had become only to accomplish nothing. Something unethical to the Wiki contribution spirit is happening there but who knows. Nonetheless I owe you a huge thank you for the helping hand and apology for wasting you're time over any of this. Grateful - Kbhatt22 (talk) 11:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-30
<section begin="technews-2020-W30"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. The mobile main page special casing stopped working 14 July. 60 wikis now have main pages that don't work well on mobile. You can see which ones, how to fix it and how to get help in Phabricator. This is the same problem that was reported in Tech News 2020/24 and 2020/26.

Problems
 * There is a problem with the interlanguage links. The interlanguage links are the links that help you find a specific page in a different language. The sorting is broken. The developers are working on a solution.
 * Some users keep getting the notifications for the same event. Some of these are old events.
 * Some users have trouble logging in. This is probably a browser cookie problem. The developers are working on understanding the problem. If you have trouble logging in you can see the details on Phabricator.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 July. It will be on all wikis from 23 July (calendar).

Future changes
 * There is a  link. This will disappear. That is because web browsers today can create a printable version or show how it will look in print anyway.

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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-31
<section begin="technews-2020-W31"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The Starter kit is now available for wiki communities. This page lists technical resources, tools, and recommendations. These are essential to operate a wiki project. This is mostly useful for smaller wikis where the community has limited experience with this.
 * The first features of the Desktop Improvements project are available for logged-in users on all wikis. In order to use them, uncheck ' in your local or global preferences in section '. More improvements are planned. Feedback is welcome.
 * Octicons-tools.svg On multiple wikis, a UTCLiveClock gadget is available. For wikis that import the gadget directly from mediawiki.org, end users can now choose a different timezone to show instead of UTC.

Problems
 * Octicons-tools.svg The deployment train for MediaWiki has been blocked this week.
 * Translation Notification Bot was sending the same message multiple times to every translator. This has been fixed.
 * Some users were receiving the same notification multiple times. This has been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from July 28. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from July 29. It will be on all wikis from JUly 30 (calendar).

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Feedback request: Social sciences and society Good Article nomination
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Tech News: 2020-32
<section begin="technews-2020-W32"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * All queries to the Wikidata Query Service failed between 17:50 and 17:59 UTC on Thursday 23 July. Some queries failed during a longer period.
 * Interlanguage links were ordered incorrectly for the past few weeks. This problem was also mentioned in Tech News two weeks ago. The problem is now fixed.
 * There is a problem with the global preferences for the "" option. Developers are working on fixing it.
 * A bug in the Wikibase extension had disabled the "move" and "create" types of protection in the main (Gallery) namespace on Wikimedia Commons. New protections could not be added, and existing protections were not enforced, allowing some page moves and page creations that should not have been possible. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * The video player will change to be simpler and more modern. This week, the current beta feature will become the video player for everyone on most non-Wikipedia wikis. The old player will be removed.
 * Users'  and   pages will now also be loaded on the mobile site. You can read documentation for how to avoid applying styles to the mobile skin.
 * Octicons-tools.svg In the MonoBook skin, the  identifier is now  . This may affect CSS and JS gadgets. Migration instructions can be found in T255953. This was previously mentioned in issue 27.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Bot operators can use Pywikibot to regularly archive discussions. The behavior when the bot uses  to prevent large archives was changed.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 4. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 5. It will be on all wikis from August 6 (calendar).

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Tech News: 2020-33
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Recent changes
 * FileImporter and FileExporter became standard features on all Wikis during the first week of August. They help you transfer files from local wikis to Wikimedia Commons with the original file information and history intact.

Problems
 * The mobile skin displays a message at the bottom of the page about who edited last. This message showed raw wikitext. This has now been fixed. Some messages in Structured Discussions and content translation may still appear as raw wikitext. Developers are working on it.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 11. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 12. It will be on all wikis from August 13 (calendar).

Future changes
 * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 1. This is planned between 13:30 and 15:30 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks.

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Great American Wiknic virtual edition 2020
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 * Pardon the talk-page-stalk! Agree w/ . Thanks for hosting the event this afternoon . Have a great week ahead! Ktin (talk) 04:27, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-34
<section begin="technews-2020-W34"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * If you revert an edit using the undo link your edit is marked with an  tag. This will now only happen if you don't change anything in the edit window before publishing the undo. This is to keep users from marking edits as undos when they actually do something else.
 * The new OOUI version will not work with Internet Explorer 8. This means the wikis will look strange and not work well in Internet Explorer 8. This was reported in Tech/News/2020/17. This is because keeping the wikis working with very old browsers creates other problems.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 August. It will be on all wikis from 20 August (calendar).

Future changes
 * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 1. This is planned between 13:30 and 15:30 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis next week. This is a reminder. You can help by translating the announcement message.

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Tech News: 2020-35
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Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 August. It will be on all wikis from 27 August (calendar).

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Tech News: 2020-36
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Problems
 * This is a reminder. All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 1. This is planned between 14:00 and 15:00 UTC. Please check on the details on the announcement message.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

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Public vs. private UK schools
I don't want you to get into an edit war with Robolizik but I think that s/he is correct in their edit on Rosalind Franklin in saying that St Paul's Girls' School is a public school in the British sense — see Private school (UK) which correctly redirects to Independent school (United Kingdom). In other words, the school would have been fee-paying but like Eton College the British usually call these public schools because anyone with the cash — or a bursary — can go there. I think that the article on Franklin would be best if the lede were to be changed to "Franklin was educated at a public day school at Norland Place" or use "independent" instead of "public", which is the modern word that St Paul's Girls' School itself now uses. If you don't make that change I will do so soon. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 11:23, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Laura Anderson's states "Rosalind attended a private school in London called Norland Place." & "Her parents sent her to a boarding school on the Coast of England called Lindores School for Young Ladies." Jenifer Glynn in  states "When she was nine Roaslind left Norland Place, the private day school nearby, and was sent for a couple of years to Lindores, a boarding school in Sussex, [...]". I think private is correct, at least for those two. Peaceray (talk) 14:52, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking at this again, I think we may all be correct, depending on one's use of language. Franklin attended 3 schools (see body of the article). At age 6 she went to the Norland Place school, whose website now but does emphasise large fees (now over £5,000 a term). Then she went, aged 9, to the Lindores school. Finally, aged 11 she went to St Paul's Girls' School whose website . The issue is therefore whether the lede should be consistent about fee-paying. If Norland was "private", St Paul's is "private" also and arguably more important since this was Franklin's senior school. I'm happy to let you decide whether a bit of re-wording would improve the article.  Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 16:17, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * St Paul's Girls' School is the epitome of a Public school (United Kingdom), but nobody outside the UK groks that Public schools are more exclusive than Private schools, and clarity for the reader is our primary objective, so... Cabayi (talk) 19:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe a note to explain would help. I will peruse the various sources for more clarity. This is a problem with editors, myself included, who are US-based & are accustomed to US English (& went to the US variant of parochial, private, & public schools). At least I know which variant to use with Use British English. Peaceray (talk) 20:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Old account
I created my Wikipedia account in 2018 and got it banned from editing for stupid jokes I made. I would like to make a new account, but I want to be able to edit. Thanks in advance!

100.10.41.202 (talk) 22:49, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * You should be able to create a new account. Just avoid being blocked by adhering to Wikipedia policies & guidelines. Peaceray (talk) 23:22, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * It's far better to appeal the block on your original account. If you edit articles you've edited under your original account, and somebody makes the connection between the two accounts, you'd be looking at having both accounts blocked for evading the original block. Just my 2¢ since I'm on this page at the moment. Cabayi (talk) 20:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Page mover granted
Hello, Peaceray. Your account has been [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3APeaceray granted] the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, move subpages when moving the parent page(s), and move category pages.

Please take a moment to review Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when  is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:
 * Requested moves
 * Category:Articles to be moved, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Cabayi (talk) 19:58, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-37
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Changes later this week
 * Normally pages can be moved to a title that has no existing page yet or to a page that has only one revision, which is a redirect to the page to be moved. A new user right allows editors to move pages over one-revision pages that redirect to anywhere.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 September. It will be on all wikis from 10 September (calendar).
 * Octicons-tools.svg All MediaWiki API modules will now use  instead of  . This was inconsistent before.

Future changes
 * The Wikipedia Android app team might work on patrolling tools in the future. You can let them know what tools would be useful for you or for less experienced patrollers. See the page on mediawiki.org.
 * OTRS will be updated to a new version. This will probably take around two days. OTRS agents will not have access to the system during these days. Emails that come in during the update will be delivered when the update is done. The plan is to start around 08:00 UTC on 14 September. This could change.
 * The Wikipedia Android app will send push notifications if users want them. This could help you see for example when someone wrote on your talk page or your edit was reverted. This will need Google Play Services to work. It will also be possible to get the app without Google Play Services but push notifications will not work. Google Play Services is also used to make the app work for Android 4.4 users.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Wikimedia code review could move to GitLab. It would be hosted on Wikimedia servers. You can take part in the consultation.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Dropdown menus in the Vector skin use a  class. This will not work in the future. Scripts can use   instead.   and   will also not work. Some scripts need to be updated. You can read more in Phabricator.

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Guidance requested
Hello Thank you indeed for your kind words. I'm looking forward to interacting with my learned experienced colleagues on and off, to contribute in small ways to raise the quality of Wiki articles. I have gone through a few talk feature help pages of English Wikipedia, but couldn't find the answer. My specific question is, how to bring up talk pages about an article on Persian language Wikishia. I'll be grateful for an answer. Query format, if any, will be great. Thanks for your time. All the best. PeshawarWizard (talk) 11:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you writing about Talk:WikiShia, the talk page for WikiShia? Which interface are you using: desktop (computer), mobile (phone) via a browser, or one of the mobile Wikipedia apps? Peaceray (talk) 14:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 40
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Issue 40, July – August 2020 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New partnerships
 * Al Manhal
 * Ancestry
 * RILM
 * #1Lib1Ref May 2020 report
 * AfLIA hires a Wikipedian-in-Residence

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Books & Bytes – Issue 40
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Issue 40, July – August 2020 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New partnerships
 * Al Manhal
 * Ancestry
 * RILM
 * #1Lib1Ref May 2020 report
 * AfLIA hires a Wikipedian-in-Residence

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On citations
I just looked at, which is very well said! I am also a WorldCat fan! Biogeographist (talk) 20:22, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Use shortened footenotes from May 2020


A tag has been placed on Category:Use shortened footenotes from May 2020 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 14:20, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Please delete Category:Use shortened footenotes from May 2020 at the earliest oppurtunity. I created by mistake using a misspelling of the word "footnote". I have created the category under the correct spelling. As I wrote in my edit summary that blanked it, "please delete". Peaceray (talk) 14:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Self-citation
Hello, you left a comment on my talk page to remind me that " A conflict of interest includes linking to articles that you have written." I just want to say that I'm not aiming bare self-promotion. I'm about to add information to the Hawaiian language article on the history of language policies in Hawaii and I assumed it was OK citing my own work given that I did a lot of research on the topic for my MA degree at the University of Hawaii, especially since nobody else has researched it yet, as far as I was told there by professors. I merely wanted to start by adding my publications to the reference list before editing the article and quote them in the most concise way. Also, I have no other conflict of interests. I'm not paid by anyone to do these edits.

Besides, do you have any advice about how to proceed to add this information? Is it OK to edit the page itself or should I start the changes in the article's Talk page? --Rubèn Fernández Asensio (talk) 15:05, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I well may have been overdoing it with the COI notification. I think as long as you adhere to WP:SELFCITE & maybe add a note to the talk page that you are the author, the article is in a peer-reviewed journal, & that it is relevant to the topic, you should be fine. We do see a lot of WP:CITESPAM on particular topics. Language articles tends not to be one of them. You might add that you are adding the note upon my advice discussing it with me (After discussing it with, ..."). That should show due diligence. Not that I am an arbiter, but I have a significant amount of edits to my credit.
 * Although I would like it that experts hold sway, this is not always the case. For instance:
 * Peaceray (talk) 18:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Peaceray (talk) 18:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-38
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Problems
 * The Wikipedia apps briefly showed pages without CSS last week. This meant they looked wrong. It was quickly fixed but cached pages without CSS were shown for a few hours.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 September. It will be on all wikis from 17 September (calendar).

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Use shortened footnotes
Template:Use shortened footnotes has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Francis Schonken (talk) 04:38, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors September 2020 Newsletter
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Tech News: 2020-39
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Recent changes
 * There is a new tag for reverted edits. For example you can see it in the recent changes feed or in the article history. It is added to edits when they have been undone, rollbacked or manually reverted to an older version of the page.

Changes later this week
 * The number of times you can do something in a period of time on wiki is limited. This could be the number of edits per minute or the number of users you email in a day. Some users are not affected by all limits because of their user rights. They could soon see the limit even if it does not affect them.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 September. It will be on all wikis from 24 September (calendar).

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Tech News: 2020-40
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Recent changes Problems
 * Admins can now see links to diffs of deleted revisions on Special:AbuseLog. This uses the interface of Special:Undelete.
 * Editors are automatically added to some user groups. For example editors are added to autoconfirmed users when they have edited enough times and long enough. Abuse filters can hinder users from automatically getting user rights for a period of time. They can also remove rights user have. Wikis can now ask to change how long this period of time is for their wiki in Phabricator. It is currently five days.
 * Last year some abuse filters stopped working because of a new change. If they tried to use variables that were unavailable for that action they would fail. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 September. It will be on all wikis from 1 October (calendar).

Future changes
 * You can't see the language links to other language versions from the talk page or history page. They are also not shown when you edit an article. This could change. It is not decided if for example the history page should link to another history page or to the article. You can take part in the discussion in Phabricator.
 * The link colours could change. This is to make the difference between links and other text more clear. You can read more in Phabricator.
 * In your preferences you can choose to get different notifications on the web or by email. You will see  as one of the alternatives later this week. This is because the Android and iOS Wikipedia apps will use push notifications for those who want them. You can see the preferences on the test wiki. The goal is to have push notifications on Android in October and on iOS in early 2021.
 * You can soon put pages on your watchlist for a limited time. This could be useful if you want to watch something for a shorter time but don't want it on your watchlist forever. It now works on mediawiki.org and will come to more wikis later. You can read more and see when it will come to other wikis.
 * You can see what Wikimedians think are the best new technical tools this year. You can also nominate them.

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Tech News: 2020-41
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Recent changes
 * There is a new tool where you can see which home wiki users have in discussions on Meta. This can help show which communities are not part of the discussion on wikis where we make decisions that affect many other wikis.
 * You can now thank users for file uploads or for changing the language of a page.

Problems
 * There were many errors with the new MediaWiki version last week. The new version was rolled back. Updates that should have happened last week are late.
 * Everyone was logged out. This was because a user reported being logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Many pages have JavaScript errors. You can read more and now see a list of user scripts with errors.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 October. It will be on all wikis from 8 October (calendar).
 * Letters immediately after a link are shown as part of the link. For example the entire word in  is linked. On Arabic wikis this works at both the start and end of a word. Previously on Arabic wikis numbers and other non-letter Unicode characters were shown as part of the link at the start of a word but not at the end. Now only Latin and Arabic letters will extend links on Arabic wikis.

Future changes
 * You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour.

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Tech News: 2020-42
<section begin="technews-2020-W42"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * Because of the problems with the MediaWiki version two weeks ago last week's updates are also late.

Changes later this week
 * Live previews didn't show the templates used in the preview if you just edited a section. This has now been fixed. You can also test CSS and JavaScript pages even if you have the live preview enabled. Previously this didn't work well.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 October. It will be on all wikis from 15 October (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg A new stable version of Pywikibot is coming soon.

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FYI
Re: a question you asked a while back, see Talk:Switched-On Bach --Guy Macon (talk) 07:49, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-43
<section begin="technews-2020-W43"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour.
 * Octicons-tools.svg In the AbuseFilter extension, the  function will be updated soon so that it does not remove the "space" character. Wikis are advised to wrap all the uses of   with   wherever necessary to keep filters' behavior unchanged. You can use the search function on Special:AbuseFilter to locate its usage.
 * Some gadgets and user-scripts use the HTML div with the ID . This div will be removed soon. Maintainers should replace these uses with either   or  . A list of affected scripts is at the top of T265373.

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Tech News: 2020-44
<section begin="technews-2020-W44"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on October 27 around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour.
 * Last week, links to "diffs" from mobile watchlists and recentchanges were linking to page-revisions instead of diffs. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * Since the introduction of the interface administrators user group in 2018, administrators couldn’t view the deleted history of CSS/JS pages. Now they can.
 * There was a problem with the Change Tags. The software would apply the "" tag to any page actions such as page-protection changes if they came directly after a reverted edit. This has now been fixed for new edits.
 * The Reply tool will be offered as an opt-in Beta Feature on most Wikipedias in November. Another announcement will be made once the date is finalized.

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Guidance on edit war message on talk page
Hello! I just wanted to get your advice regarding when it is proper to remove messages on my talk page and I went to you because you welcomed me to Wikipedia back in 2016. In 2016, I got into an edit war that thankfully did not get out of hand and a message from a (now-retired) senior user reminded me of the possible repercussions of edit warring. The message has remained on my talk page ever since. I was wondering what your opinion would be regarding if I were to remove this message and whether that would violate any of Wikipedia's etiquette guidelines.

Sdrqaz (talk) 18:54, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi! WP:OWNTALK would apply here. As that behavioral guideline indicates, Although archiving is preferred, users may freely remove comments from their own talk pages. Users may also remove some content in archiving. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user.


 * I prefer archiving myself (see Help:Archiving a talk page). Archiving would get your aforementioned discussion off of your current talk page. However, you are free to simply delete it. Peaceray (talk) 04:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your advice and information! I'll take it into account when making my decision.


 * Sdrqaz (talk) 19:53, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-45
<section begin="technews-2020-W45"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can no longer read Wikimedia wikis if your browser uses very old TLS. This is because it is a security problem for everyone. It could lead to downgrade attacks. Since October 29, 2020, users who use old TLS versions will not be able to connect to Wikimedia projects. A list of browser recommendations is available. All modern operating systems and browsers are always able to reach Wikimedia projects.
 * Octicons-tools.svg There is a new automatic tracking category available: Pages with non-numeric formatnum arguments. It collects pages which use the  parser function with invalid (non-numeric) input, e.g.  . Note that   is also invalid input: as described in the documentation, the argument should be unformatted so that it can be reliably and correctly localised. The tracking category will help identify problematic usage and double-formatting. The new tracking category's name can be translated at translatewiki.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 3. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 4. It will be on all wikis from November 5 (calendar).
 * Administrators and stewards will be able to use a special page (Special:CreateLocalAccount) to force local account creation for a global account. This is useful when account creation is blocked for that user (by a block or a filter).
 * The Reply tool will be offered as an opt-in Beta Feature on most Wikipedias on November 4. This change excludes the English, Russian, and German-language Wikipedias, plus a few smaller Wikipedias with special circumstances. You can read the help page and the troubleshooting guide for more information.

Future changes
 * A discussion has been restarted about using a Unicode minus sign (− U+2212) in the output of  when it is given a negative argument.
 * In the future IP addresses of unregistered users will not be shown for everyone. They will get an alias instead. There will be a new user right or an opt-in function for more vandal fighters to see the IPs of unregistered users. There would be some criteria for who gets the user right or opt-in. There will also be other new tools to help handle vandalism. This is early in the process and the developers are still collecting information from the communities before they suggest solutions.

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Tech News: 2020-46
<section begin="technews-2020-W46"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * You can see reference previews. This shows a preview of the footnote when you hover over it. This has been a beta feature. It will move out of beta and be enabled by default. There will be an option not to use it. The developers are looking for small or medium-sized wikis to be the first ones. You can let them know if your wiki is interested.
 * From November 16 the categories will not be sorted in order for a short time. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the internationalisation library. They will use a script to fix the existing categories. This can take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can read more.

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Thanks for help!
Appreciate it. ABeeez (talk) 02:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Dear Peaceray,

Thank you for your welcome. I am fairly new at participating in Wikipedia. I like to read and study a lot (maybe too much!) and am a bit of a perfectionist. I try always try be open to new information. You saw my contribution to 'Spanish flu' talk. I tried to add something to that today, but it wouldn't let me login to edit my previous writing. I was able to add the new information as a separate reply.

I wonder if I accidently inserted this into the page, because I notice there is now a citation error tagged.

Thanks again for your help. You can write me directly, if you want. David

P.S. Oh,oh...! I think I did add the erroneous " " when I tried to edit the Talk page for the first time. And worse, I screwed up the Talk article I was commenting on. I thought I had to reproduce the whole article when I added something, and I repasted the wiki page as text only, thus zeroing out all the previous links! I hope you have a backup of the page!

This is what I screwed up: "Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill the very young and the very old, with a higher survival rate for those in between, but the Spanish flu pandemic resulted in a higher than expected mortality rate for young adults.[4] Scientists offer several possible explanations for the high mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic. Some analyses have shown the virus to be particularly deadly because it triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults.[5] In contrast, a 2007 analysis of medical journals from the period of the pandemic found that the viral infection was no more aggressive than previous influenza strains.[6][7] Instead, malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, and poor hygiene promoted secondary bacterial infection. These infections killed most of the victims, typically after a somewhat prolonged death bed.[8][9] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbvet007 (talk • contribs) "

The ref tags are just before this section.

I apologise, and will do it correctly next time I add to a Talk page… I hope!

P.S. I wanted to fix my mistake, so I tried to go back to the original revision on April 24 using Page History, but it only displayed my recent revision, in green, and not the section as it was originally inserted. That seems odd for a revision history page. I hope there is a backup of the original page.

David Deardavid7 (talk) 01:17, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * No problems, just learning opportunities. The main thing that I was trying to indicate was that it is customery to sighn your posts on a talk page, normally by placing four tildes,, after your comment.


 * Also, no need to put your email on pages. If you have associated your email with your account for password reset purposes, people can email you from this page: Special:EmailUser/Deardavid7, which others can navigate to when they see the Email this user link on your talk page.


 * Peaceray (talk) 02:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-47
<section begin="technews-2020-W47"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Listings on category pages are sorted on each wiki for that language using a library. For a brief period on 16 November, changes to categories will not be sorted correctly for most languages. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the library. They will then use a script to fix the existing categories. This will take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can read more.

Changes later this week
 * If you merged two pages in a namespace where pages can't redirect this used to break the merge history. This will now be fixed.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * The Community Wishlist Survey is now open for proposals. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals from 16 to 30 November. You can vote on proposals from 8 December to 21 December.

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Books & Bytes – Issue 41
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 * New partnership: Taxmann
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 * 1Lib1Ref 2021

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Tech News: 2020-48
<section begin="technews-2020-W48"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Timestamps in Special:Log are now links. They go to Special:Log for only that entry. This is how timestamps work on for example the history page.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg The Wikimedia Cloud VPS hosts technical projects for the Wikimedia movement. Developers need to claim projects they use. This is because old and unused projects are removed once a year. Unclaimed projects can be shut down from 1 December. Unclaimed projects can be deleted from 1 January.

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Medical editing initiative
Thanks for touching base with a few of our students. We do not require additional training resources at this time posted to student talk pages as we are not using the WikiEdu platform. We prefer to streamline the learning materials and have them specific to medicine) and already share many excellent resources by WikiEdu. Our project page is here if you are interested. Thanks again! JenOttawa (talk) 22:34, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I meant to add, if you have any suggestions as well for improving our model, we always appreciate them. Please leave a message on my talk page to email me directly. I shared this project on WP:MED just now as well. Transitioning to zoom teaching is a challenge, but our Wiki skills session went well today. Take good care! JenOttawa (talk) 22:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for letting me know! I do a lot of recent change patrolling of the 5,000+ pages on my watchlist. One of the things that I look for is registered users with a red-linked (non-existant) talk page. I like to invite newly registered users with the Welcome-menu, which IMHO serves as a handy collection of links for most of what one would want to know about English Wikipedia & how it works.
 * Because I am looking to correct vandalism, welcome new editors, notify or warn editors when they make mistakes, & make incremental improvements to new edits, I do not typically do not drill down into school project pages, as I make lots of semi-automated edits with RedWarn, Twinkle, & reFill. I appreciate that you have let me know about yours, & I particularly like that you have emphasized WP:MEDRS & related pages. Forgive me if I stepped on any toes with my semi-automated editing. Although there are many wonderful school Wikipedia editing project, there are some in which the students are relatively unsupported; hence the reason I sometimes include the Welcome student template when I have seen a previously blank talk page for a student editor. My goal is to be quick & welcoming, although sometimes I recognize that my actions be redundant or superfluous.
 * The best way to avoid recent change patrol editors like myself from inadvertently getting in your way might be to craft your project's own welcoming message & post it to student editor talk pages. This would also alert editors such as myself that you got this covered. Peaceray (talk) 00:22, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response. It is no problem at all that you reached out to the student. It is great to know there are volunteers welcoming new editors! I just meant if you saw the dashboard and worked through all the 110 students that it is not necessary! That is great advice you have to include a template on their talk page. I manually added a student template on their user page and sandbox but not their talk page! I agree about your observations on student editing. It is very labour intensive to monitor all edits, but I think it is super important to leave the article contributions high-quality and following Wikipedia's guideline for reliable sources and the manual of style. Many medical professionals/researchers have difficulty transitioning to MEDRS as we have been trained to use the primary sources when writing academic papers. It is my goal that some of these students will enjoy this and stick around to help us! Thanks again. It was nice to meet you on Wikipedia! JenOttawa (talk) 02:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Requested edit to Salma Hayek
Hello! I saw you edited the Salma Hayek page last. I cannot edited it since I am not verified. I have a video that proves that Salma acquired the Lebanese citizenship through her father in the Lebanese Embassy of Mexico in 2009. The video is in Arabic, but it shows that her grandfather, who emigrated from Lebanon, registered her son, Salma's father in the embassy, and then Salma registered herself and acquired the citizenship later in 2009. Her family is entirely registered in the village of Baabdat in Mount Lebanon, including her brother. Therefore she is also Lebanese. Here's the link: https://youtube/KQS4YJe6IrI The research was done when she came to Lebanon in 2015 to promote her movie The Prophet. Please do the necessary changes to the page :D Thanks a lot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.97.92.117 (talk) 14:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-49
<section begin="technews-2020-W49"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * The iOS Wikipedia app will show readers more of the article history. They can see new updates and easier see how the article has changed over time. This is an experiment. It will first be shown only to some iOS app users as a test.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The Wiki Replicas can be used for SQL queries. You can use Quarry, PAWS or other ways to do this. To make the Wiki Replicas stable there will be two changes. Cross-database  will no longer work. You can also only query a database if you connect to it directly. This will happen in February 2021. If you think this affects you and you need help you can post on Phabricator or on Wikitech.

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Thank you for your welcome message!
I just wanted to say thank you for your message welcoming to me Wikipedia. I've been making edits for several years, but typically they are infrequent and quite minor. I don't expect that trend will change drastically in the near future, but I will be sure to give the resources you shared with me a look. Thank you for reaching out! Bsalt1 (talk) 20:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-50
<section begin="technews-2020-W50"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can now put pages on your watchlist for a limited period of time. Some wikis already had this function.

Changes later this week
 * Information from Wikidata that is used on a wiki page can be shown in recent changes and watchlists on a Wikimedia wiki. To see this you need to turn on showing Wikidata edits in your watchlist in the preferences. Changes to the Wikidata description in the language of a Wikimedia wiki will then be shown in recent changes and watchlists. This will not show edits to languages that are not relevant to your wiki.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * You can vote on proposals in the Community Wishlist Survey between 8 December and 21 December. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on.

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December 2020 Guild of Copy Editors Newsletter
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:47, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Airbnb/Aimco
Hi Graywalls, thanks for your comments - I've been more active on the German Wikipedia (see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Beiträge/Hattifnatt~dewiki), and to be honest, the technicalities of Wikipedia habe grown over my head a bit in the last years ;) but I still try to contribute when I see reason for it. In this case the mention of Aimco seemed to me like a thinly veiled attempt at self-promotion or even self-advocacy (with unclear grammar), so more a COI on their part, after they apparently even lost the case in court if I correctly understood the referenced page https://www.courthousenews.com/airbnb-ducks-apartment-managers-beef-over-rentals/.  I haven't been able to locate the crucial change, but the version from 21 Nov 2018 had a more balanced account in the section "2018 legal action".

Edit: Found it, after the reference to Aimco and the legal case had been removed by this change: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Airbnb&diff=next&oldid=893527008 it was re-introduced (with worse grammar and a bias for Aimco) in this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Airbnb&diff=prev&oldid=988930279

Best regards, Stefan Hattifnatt~dewiki (talk) 17:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-51
<section begin="technews-2020-W51"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There is a Wikipedia app for KaiOS phones. It was released in India in September. It can now be downloaded in other countries too.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

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December 16: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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Editing of list of mount everest summiters by number of summits
Ello, Peaceray. I just wanted to make sure that you have acknowledged that I've edited and have added a reference to my edit in the List of Mount Everest summiteers by a number of times to the summit.


 * ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavitc (talk • contribs) 11:20, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

"UK citizen"
The government style guide states: website deals with "British citizenship". . The older usages were "British subject". GPinkerton (talk) 06:36, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.gov.uk/browse/citizenship/citizenship represents the current situation. I am aware about British subjects. In the entire time that Helen Smith (nurse) lived (3 January 1956 – 20 May 1979), the British Nationality Act 1948 applied to her. The British Nationality Act 1948 was in force until the British Nationality Act 1981 took effect, two years after Smith's death. According to the British Nationality Act 1948 article, that act created the status of "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" (CUKC) as the national citizenship of the United Kingdom and its colonies.
 * Please explain to me then, how Helen Smith was not a UK citizen at the time. Peaceray (talk) 06:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , citizens of the UK are called British citizens. Under the 1948 British Nationality Act, "British Nationality" was defined as belonging to all such citizens, and all citizens of British dependencies, and all such British nationals were British subjects by virtue of having that citizenship. In all cases, then and now, the adjective for UK has always been "British", that has never changed. GPinkerton (talk) 07:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You and I have different readings of the British Nationality Act article. I also see in British subject that Between 1949 and 1983, the term was synonymous with Commonwealth citizen. It seems that there may be an inexactness of language, but it also seems clear to me from the British Nationality Act article, that UK Citizen is as accurate as anything else.
 * As per WP:BRD, please open a discussion on Talk:Helen Smith (nurse) before attempting this change again. Peaceray (talk) 07:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , neither the article 1948 British Nationality Act nor the Act itself use the form "UK citizen" and neither does the government. Where have you read it? GPinkerton (talk) 07:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" is in the lead sentence of 1948 British Nationality Act. Unless you want to change "UK citizen" to "Citizen of the United Kingdom" in Helen Smith (nurse), take all future discussion to the article talk page.
 * It is late my time & I am going to bed. Do not take the lack of an immediate response on the talk page as acquiescence. Please wait for responses. Peaceray (talk) 07:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" is not the same as "UK citizen". It is equivalent to "British subject" or "British citizenship". GPinkerton (talk) 07:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

UK citizenship question at Talk:Helen Smith (nurse)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Helen Smith (nurse). Peaceray (talk) 20:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Good for you to say love always an unimportant ip address
Remember even if you delete this it will be archived and viewable by everyone including the administrators. Have a blessed day. Ciao — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:7610:41E0:CD12:123A:B908:BE89 (talk) 18:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe you are referring to . I think it is good that we both have an understanding that past history is always visible unless redacted by an administrator. Unless an editor has maliciously deleted or altered others comments, I always leave what is posted on my talk page, although other editors have removed posts that they have deemed against policy, such as insults or threats. I may also move it to the proper place it the placement of the comment does not follow WP:TPG.
 * I do not believe that there are unimportant IP addresses. Most edits from IP addresses are good edits. I have also met a couple of significant editors who say that there very first edit was vandalism before they learned how to make worthwhile contributions. That is why I make it my policy to welcome IP editors as appropriate. Peaceray (talk) 19:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I will note that I have made an exception to my general "no delete" policy. I recently encountered someone who I believe is described by the meta:What is a troll? essay. From that essay, I take this summary: The basic mindset of a troll is that they are far more interested in how others react to their edits than in the usual concerns of Wikipedians: accuracy, veracity, comprehensiveness, and overall quality. I have indicated to this editor that I will no longer permit their future posts on this page. Peaceray (talk) 23:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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I'm wondering if you believe everything you read on the internet without actually reading the source material. A google search is not going to give you an in depth understanding of the material. Granted Kropotkin's opinions evolved and adapted to current situations to continue to push his narrative, some basic things cannot be avoided: such as how can anyone in there objective right mind think that Kropotkin was for globalization and propaganda of the deed (short of maybe regicide) after reading Mutual Aid? if so, they must need some reading comprehension training. I don't care if Professor so and so, wants to say I'm interpreting it wrong! they can take a hike, and so I think Kropotkin would have agreed that a full reliance on an over arching knowledge source or base (of which you only pull from, and do not contribute or investigate yourself is laughable). It is even stated in your own article (before I added anything at all), that he took his ideas of TRUE COMMUNISM from small tribal communities in Siberia (would you call that Marxist or Communist in the Modern sense?) Communism today is not what it was yesterday (let alone centuries ago?) Marxism is specifically addressing modern systems of organization (that are huge), there is no advocation towards the hunter-gatherer lifestyle or mention there of? The newspeak people are hard at work, rewriting traditional interpretations to fit their agenda; I guess old Kropotkin has come on the radar sometime after 2015 when I attended UC as an Anthropology major and did extensive research on his works and contributions (example being I don't remember anyone claiming that Kropotkin advocated violence, his writings repeatedly speak against it but, now everyone is saying he is no different then Emma Goldman?) and I bet not one of these clowns has read a single book of his...have you? Just because he coined the term Anarcho-Communism in "The Conquest of Bread" doesn't mean that his ideas haven't been hijacked? he was referring to True Communism (which is only possible at the tribal level, do some anthropological research on the matter and you will see) not Modern communism that is contingent on large scale applications-thus defeating Kropotkins whole aim! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bennybooboo78 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Comment in reference to Peter Kropotkin's Wiki page and the evolution of what he meant by Anarcho-Communism then, as to how it is being interpreted now.Bennybooboo78 (talk) 00:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I am wondering if you even pay attention to messages that others post on your talk page. I have asked you twice to discuss it at the talk page. That would be located at Talk:Peter Kropotkin since you have not found your way there yet.


 * Your second edit took out short description & redirect templates. The edit summary of your third edit disparaged & insulted, which was a violation of Wikipedia's civility policy. You failed to include any citation until your eleventh edit, & then you interpreted a primary source. You have been in violation of Wikipedia's content policies of no original research & verifiability. Your tenth & eleventh edits occurred after I asked you to take it to the talk page for discussion, which is how we handle dispute resolution & arrive at consensus. Trying to impose one's opinions after being reverted is what is known as edit warring & a quick path to getting blocked. Please take a breath & acquaint yourself with how things are done here. That is the best way to get your edits to stick.


 * I know I am not an expert at what communism is, although I know that there were flavors that existed before Marx (see Christian communism & Oneida community, for example). However, I believe of the 685 editors of the Kropotkin, there are at least a few who know quite a bit about the subject. State your case on the talk page so that some of the subject matter experts can weigh in. We should not abandon edit consensus, AKA implicit consensus, so lightly, particularly when one has been asked to verify one's original research.


 * You have asked me to consider your opinion over Encyclopedia Britannica. Please make your case for it, with citations from reliable sources, at Talk:Peter Kropotkin. Peaceray (talk) 01:30, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't see it that way.
I responded to Roller26, thinking you and him were maybe the same person. After a response from him, right after you withheld my comments (in my opinion without asking a reputable source directly, as to the applicability of my additions-that offends me, as well as scares me). I did not feel that I was being insulting, only honest about my convictions, which I felt were being unfairly disregarded. Let me ask you, as an admitted layperson on the subject? how is it that I should take it seriously that after only a google search that lead you to the Brittanica, with its quick and lacking overview of the subject or its historical progression, how should that make me feel comfortable with your arbitration? Not, very good since The Encyclopedia Brittanica must be interpreted though accurate knowledge of the subject? and its history, again. This is a major problem with the internet, twitter style investigation into truth...and moderators playing god. Now, I'm not insulting you just expressing my opinion-which last time I checked I could still do. I'd respond to you directly-but don't see a link to do so? I'm not asking you to take my word over the Brittanica! (red herring) But, I am suggesting that to fill this position fairly you must be educated personally about which you judge? read the books, understand the application of his words today as compared to yesterday-personal direct self knowledge on the matter...don't just read the Brittannica without any knowledge of the context. Furthermore! anyone who is honest with themselves knows that everything we think is an opinion in one form or the other-this would only be untrue if everyone thought exactly the same...so, sorry don't buy that one. That is a problem with wiki though, not just yours as I imagine you are just following orders? and yes I am a newbie to commenting or editing on this site, sorry I didn't take to it like a duck to water, as you suggest I should have-no, that's not insulting at all is it? Bennybooboo78 (talk) 03:04, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Let me put this bluntly. Citations talk, opinions walk. You can argue all night & all day for weeks on end, but if you do not have the reliable sources to back you, it is just original research.
 * Second, I have been a part-time reference librarian. I can recognize an argument that is not grounded in reliable sources. If you are a subject matter expert, I doubt that you will have trouble finding reliable sources to support your arguments.
 * You may not see it that way, but I almost always cite Wikipedia policy. I follow no one's orders, but I do heed policy. I also respect the be bold editing guideline & the fifth pillar: Wikipedia has no firm rules. But this is not pandemonium either. To be an organized anarchy demands respect of consensus, & thus I expect other editors to respect Wikipedia's five pillars & the policies & guidelines. If you do not consent to abide by these, you are free to follow the Law of two feet & take your efforts elsewhere. Really, though, we would prefer that you learn how to be respectful of the space & become a constructive contributor.
 * One last think: you should always sign your comments on talk pages by placing four tildes at the end, as in . This will provide a link to your user page, your user talk page, & a timestamp. Peaceray (talk) 04:40, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

LOL
You are a nasty little man? aren't you...and have no right serving in this position. Animosity and venom do not make your case either, maybe a call to corporate is in order? and being a librarian only reinforces my ideas about your lack of ego control and understanding of academic blind spots, I'm not one of your timid little students that will break under your inflated sense of importance. Look...your comments have made it fairly obvious that linguistics is not your strong point. Check out Terence Mckenna and some of his explanations about how we get caught up on words, when we are actually only using words to explain MEANING? The fact that you are still only looking for key words such as Communism and Primitivism, without focusing on the concepts and its history shows me that you are unwilling to simply look into the matter for yourself to understand these things...in my book this is blatant ignorance and makes me feel sorry for Wiki. By the way, any college student knows that 9 out of 10 professors will not accept wiki as a resource, probably has something to do with their lack of authority on anything past the surface. Also, the reason I attached the Gould article was to point out context. Being that Kropotkin was formulating his ideas within a rural atmosphere (such as his ideas towards communism), that he dreamed would become more rural-not more urban or civilized in its western sense, as it was understood in the 19th century construct, let alone the 20th or 21st-his viewpoints must be put in this framework...my God what more reference do you need then his own writings, you keep saying show references well how is HIS work not enough reference, are you telling me that the orthodoxy or academia and their interpretations are the only ones that count? that personal understanding is meaningless? Do I need to write a book about it in Graduate Studies and have them sign off on it for you to take me seriously? (sounds a bit like the church during the middle ages? with their ideas that the only way to Jesus is through them?). You are right, I'm barking up the wrong tree and I'm not surprised that you keep saying I have to go through proper channels (do I), obviously you are wrong because here I am reaching the masses directly (short of your interference, as the gate keeper of truth). You will learn little man, as will the rest of the Prima donna's that we are taking back our birthright which is direct knowledge...not filtered down from the likes of you-now you can block me? Bennybooboo78 (talk) 13:32, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not think you understand anarchy. Let me give you a concrete example from the Rainbow Gathering, which has no leaders, that occurred in Michigan in 1983. Someone moved into a peripheral camp & proceeded to dig a latrine across a path & near tents. Other campers filled the latrine & persuaded that camper that they might do better in a more established camp. When other campers moved in, the original campers initially tried to discourage them (once bitten, ...) but ultimately welcomed them when they realized that those new campers knew what they were doing & chipped in.
 * The lesson is don't dig a latrine in the middle of a path, & if someone else does, fill it in. That is essentially the same on Wikipedia. Don't edit to the detriment of Wikipedia (detriment as defined in pillars, policies, guidelines, & common sense), & if someone does, fix it.
 * Depending on whether a page has a level of protection, any editor can revert another editor's edits. If the reversion is not based in policy, those reversions can be challenged. If the edits themselves are non-constructive or against policies & guidelines, then it it is incumbent on editors to revert them.
 * I am not an administrator, so I cannot block anyone. However, other editors & myself can warn other editors about non-constructive edits or policy & guideline violations. After an accumulation of warnings, an admin will review those warnings & edits, & can block an individual for a day or longer or indefinitely, or the admin may decide a block is unwarranted. A blocked editor can appeal a block, & other administrators would generally weigh in.
 * I, myself, do not advise anyone to use Wikipedia in citations unless they are specifically addressing Wikipedia. I do advise people to treat Wikipedia as an introduction to the material, & to dig into the citations if they want to research more. Hence the importance of references.
 * I have continued to ask you to supply references. You have only responded vaguely, writing that I should read a nearly 200 page book. You also write as if you are the expert & should be taken unquestionably as such. That is not how citations work. They usually point at a specific pages. The lack of this information often makes a reader dubious of the writer's familiarity with a work.
 * Please address your proposed edits to Peter Kropotkin at Talk:Peter Kropotkin. I will not address changes to that article further here. Peaceray (talk) 17:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

response
I never said I was an expert, rather that I trust my reading comprehension. As for your anecdotes well, that's all they are and hold no water to me-way to be condescending. You know as well as I do that even brothers in arms (within whatever group rarely agree on everything) so what Anarchy is? is as I have been saying up to individual understanding (I can't help but to think that Kropotkin would agree with me whole heartedly). And yes, I was unfamiliar with how wiki edits works (I thought maybe it was free access, I suppose I was wrong), I assumed I'd be dealing with a moderator who actually had an personal argument based on the readings of the situation to hash it out. Let me ask you? Should I take my car to your mechanic's shop if you don't know what an upper A-arm bushing is...my, answer is most definitely not. So, why would wiki have someone passing judgement over which argument to agree with (when there are always multiple, even amongst experts). I'm more disappointed with how wiki is being run, rather than insisting that you take my argument over Academic Consensus (which rarely ever exists, truly in a pure sense). I've got an anecdote, for you...when I was in school I pretty much had to circumvent the TA's (who were almost always in charge of grading, being Grad Students and learning how to teach properly) constantly-I must have gone to the Professor's personal office a dozen times (twelve different Professors) to make my case, that I was at a disservice being graded by people that did not have the knowledge base to do so-past the basic motions that they were using on their rubric. I was told a lot of this had to do with the fact that on top of being woefully uniformed (since they had no knowledge of the material I was referring too, being I added a lot of my own understanding past the assigned text-though it applied spot on) they also had to skim through the papers, so as to get through them all. How is this fair, sacrificing understanding for efficiency or agenda? every time I went to the Professor I was vindicated...every time. I have the same feeling here, I will concede one thing though-at this moment, I'm not finding any direct assertation backing up my claim-but it seemed to be taken for granted when I researched the matter in 2015, that is his concepts (I thought) were set in stone, not specifically the label Anarcho-Primitive; the word didn't exist during his time, but the concept did (because it is right in your face, after reading his work-which no! I haven't read everything from him-but he sort of repeats his basic ideas over and over book to book, anyways). All you need to read is Mutual Aid, and the Conquest of Bread! that's it? I have yet to hear anyone with a strong knowledge base on the subject (let alone someone who has read anything from him) attempt to debunk what I'm saying-past its not accepted orthodox consensus; how about you show me a reference for that and make your case? I think it might be, that no one has taken the time to point out these obvious issues, in concern to parsing out what people today interpret as Communism as compared to how Russians in the 19th century viewed communism, with a lower case c-let alone Kropotkin's individual understanding. I'm only calling for context, because it seems it would be confusing to the layperson (I'd gather) when we think of Communism now! in connection to the Anarcho-Communist. I'll bet money a lot of people read this wiki page and think he was sympathetic to modern notions of Marxism etc.? though even amongst Marxist's they are always arguing over what he actually meant-there is no real consensus there either only submission. So, my only solution to that is know for yourself...that to me is Anarchism. P.S all I had to do was look at your pictures (I like the Beret) to not be surprised that you would bring up the Rainbow Family? most people do hang their Identity on their sleeves, but some times it's better to not give yourself away.Bennybooboo78 (talk) 18:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I think your formatting would be helped by reading Help:Wikitext. Peaceray (talk) 18:31, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

You guys are all the same!
I can read you so easily, god. Another anecdote, when I basically confronted some of these TA's directly-they never had a rebuttal for what I was saying? only that my format was wrong or syntax was another one etc. It bothered me enough that I went to a linguist professor (on his personal time) to get his opinion...he told me that those who brought up these complaints were invalidated in his opinion (go tell James Joyce about format and syntax, he would throw Finnegan's Wake in your face?) that is what editors are for? that was a pitiful red herring/ad hominem. How about you address the subject matter and not its structure? by the way, I never once went to the writing tutor-everyone hated me there and I still got a 3.37 GPA average...explain that?

I've made my case, hopefully you (or whoever) won't bury my comments and these points will hopefully be taken seriously by someone you will listen to.Bennybooboo78 (talk) 19:22, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Frankly, I find your repeated assertions that you have expertise to be self-important, tedious, & unconvincing. To accuse me of being condescending then turn around & do it yourself is hypocritical, & I have little time for that.
 * I find GPAs irrelevant, as they failed to measure my extra-curricular learning for my BA (2.7) but nevertheless I obtained a 3.9 for my MS. So one was not a great predictor for the other. BTW, I have read Finnegan's Wake.
 * I suggested that you would benefit from H:WIKITEXT because big blobs of text generally are hard to read & interfere with your message. If you would rather not read a map & stumble around not knowing the geography, be my guest, but do not expect the respect you demand.


 * I think you would be best to address your arguments with relevant citations at Talk:Peter Kropotkin. I will revert further comment from you here as a favor to future readers of this talk page, as I now find your words unimportant & do not hear them. Do not worry about any impermanence; anything that you post will be available in the history, although I think most will have no interest. Peaceray (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)