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Referencing Dead Link
Hello! I'm relatively new to editing here (know how to basic edit, more familiar with the magic words over on FANDOM's platform). On the Charlie Dimmock article, I've added a link to a Wayback Machine article as the website it is from technically no longer exists (redirects to something else). Is there a way to mark the "original" as a dead link? Thanks. EmmerdaleFan1972 (talk) 10:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , hello! The citation templates do this implicitly.
 * For example, your code is:
 * which produces:
 * So implicitly, the archived URL appears first if  or if this parameter is not set, & the original URL appears second. Generally it can be assumed that the user will click on the first link. If for "fun & giggles" or by mistake one clicks on the original link, one quickly learns the convention when one fails to retrieve the target page.
 * Under Template:Citation, it states:
 * url-status: this optional parameter is ignored if archive-url is not set. If omitted, or with null value, the default value is dead. When the URL is still live, but pre-emptively archived, then set live; this changes the display order, with the title retaining the original link and the archive linked at the end. When the original URL has been usurped for the purposes of spam, advertising, or is otherwise unsuitable, setting unfit or usurped suppresses display of the original URL (but url and archive-url are still required).
 * There are situations in which it is good to present the archive link even when the original URL is live by using live. I would recommend this in particular for links at television or radio stations, because they often seem to change their website structures, so that the original URL will change to something else or disappear altogether.
 * I believe it good practice to set dead rather than to depend on the default.
 * I do not recommend using the unfit or usurped values. I have seen them cause errors. I believe that dead suffices for all situations when the original URL is unavailable.
 * I hope this answer is good enough. It is uncustomary to further mark a URL in a a citation template as dead.
 * Please let me know if you have any further questions. Peaceray (talk) 06:33, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * url-status: this optional parameter is ignored if archive-url is not set. If omitted, or with null value, the default value is dead. When the URL is still live, but pre-emptively archived, then set live; this changes the display order, with the title retaining the original link and the archive linked at the end. When the original URL has been usurped for the purposes of spam, advertising, or is otherwise unsuitable, setting unfit or usurped suppresses display of the original URL (but url and archive-url are still required).
 * There are situations in which it is good to present the archive link even when the original URL is live by using live. I would recommend this in particular for links at television or radio stations, because they often seem to change their website structures, so that the original URL will change to something else or disappear altogether.
 * I believe it good practice to set dead rather than to depend on the default.
 * I do not recommend using the unfit or usurped values. I have seen them cause errors. I believe that dead suffices for all situations when the original URL is unavailable.
 * I hope this answer is good enough. It is uncustomary to further mark a URL in a a citation template as dead.
 * Please let me know if you have any further questions. Peaceray (talk) 06:33, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not recommend using the unfit or usurped values. I have seen them cause errors. I believe that dead suffices for all situations when the original URL is unavailable.
 * I hope this answer is good enough. It is uncustomary to further mark a URL in a a citation template as dead.
 * Please let me know if you have any further questions. Peaceray (talk) 06:33, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please let me know if you have any further questions. Peaceray (talk) 06:33, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please let me know if you have any further questions. Peaceray (talk) 06:33, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Dear Peaceray,


 * Thank you for your assistance. I have done as recommended, and added "|url-status=dead" to the citation. I had expected that "|url-status=dead" may have done something with the "|url=" field. In the late 2000s, the Official Hollyoaks website was closed and redirected to network Channel 4's page on the site (which displays significantly less information), therefore removing all information from that site.


 * Thanks again,
 * EmmerdaleFan1972 (talk) 08:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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Removing edit on Margaret Sanger's page
Hi, so I don't think there's anything wrong with being honest and including "eugenicist" in her bio. This is a site to teach people and anyone who doesn't scroll down to the eugenics section, might not be aware of her history in the subject. If you look at any politicians or doctors who have dabbled in this area, they're regularly branded "white supremacists" however while that title could be applied to her too, I thought that might be a bit harsh and used the more restrained term of "eugenicist." This really shouldn't be a problem for someone who legitimately believed in eugenics LetMeSeeYourBones (talk) 17:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , comment: Please review the previous discussions at Talk:Margaret Sanger in which editors have discussed this suggestion. (The archives of the talk page have older discussions about it.) If you have new arguments to make in support of your edit, you should start a new discussion and see if you get consensus from other editors.  Schazjmd   (talk)  17:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * , the question is about what are the things for which Margaret Sanger is notable.That is what should be in the lead sentence. Advocating eugenics is hardly high up on the list. There are many influential eugenicists that do not have "eugenicist" in the lead sentence; there is no reason why we would make an exception for someone for whom eugenics was not a primary focus.


 * My suspicion is that by adding the eugenicist label to the lead sentence is in reality an attempt to denigrate the progress that she made with birth control, Planned Parenthood, & women's rights. Please see WP:LABEL in this regard.


 * I would invite you to open a discussion on Talk:Margaret Sanger if you feel otherwise. That way other editors could see & comment the discussion. First, I would advise you to read or review MOS:LEADSENTENCE, Neutral point of view, WP:UNDUE, & WP:EDITCONSENSUS. Peaceray (talk) 17:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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Post by Scott B Love
Hello Peaceray,

This is Scott B Love. Thank you for your comment on my Climate Change suggestion. Is this the best to respond? I hope so. Anyway, my suggestion seems to have been erased with no comment that I can find. I went back to the Climate Change (talk) section and saw no mention of it. Can you find the reason what I wrote was deleted without a comment on why it was deleted?

What I wrote was the following. I idea is to describe an "ideal mathematically average" world citizen and how their CO2 emissions must decrease to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees C. I think we do not understand that to limit human caused global warming to 1.5 degrees C we must not emit more than 14.4 pounds of CO2 per person per day (that is about what the green plants of the world take up for each of us), and we all must not emit any other greenhouse gases in order to end human cause global warming. So, what I suggested for the Climate Change (talk) section was the following:

The United Nations Environmental Programme Gap Report says world CO2 emissions must decrease 7.6% a year every year from 2020 to 2030 in order to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees C.
 * A Plan to End Human Caused Global Warming and End Human Caused Climate Change to Limit Global Warming to 1.5 Degrees C.

https://wedocs.unep.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.11822/30797/EGR2019.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

What does this mean to the average world citizen?

We can take the 2019 world CO2 emissions of 36.8 billion metric tonnes and divide it by 7.6 billion people to find out how many tonnes of CO2 the average world citizen emitted in 2019. We can multiply those tonnes of CO2 by 2205 pounds per tonne, and divide by 365 days per year to find out the average world citizen emitted about 29.3 pounds of CO2 per person per day in 2019. Decreasing 29.3 pounds of CO2 per person per day by 7.6% every year between 2020 and 2030 shows the average world citizen must emit just 12.3 pounds of CO2 per person per day in 2030. To limit global warming to 1.5 degrees C the average world citizen must decrease their CO2 emissions from 29.3 pounds of CO2 per person per day in 2019 to 12.3 pounds of CO2 per person per day in 2030.

Everyone can find out how many pounds of CO2 they emitted last year by filling out a carbon calculator like the Cool California Carbon Calculator.

https://coolcalifornia.arb.ca.gov/calculator-households-individuals

They can multiply the tonnes of CO2 they emitted last year by 2205 pounds per tonne, and divide by 365 days per year to find out their average “pounds of CO2 emitted per person per day” last year.

In 2030 they can do this and find out if them are emitting just 12.3 pounds of CO2 per person per day. If the world has learned to take significant amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere, then people will be able to emit more than 12.3 pounds of CO2 per person per day.

In 2030 climate scientists can calculate how many pounds of CO2 per day the average world citizen can emit and not contribute to global warming and climate change.

In 2018 the average Californian emitted about 82 pounds of CO2 per day (California Air Resources Board data). According to the following website, it takes about 10 pounds of CO2 equivalents per day to provide food for the average vegetarian in America, and 20 pounds of CO2 to provide food for a meat loving American each day.

http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-carbon-footprint-diet

(The website says it takes 3.3 tonnes of CO2 per year to provide food for a meat loving American. Multiplying by 2205 pounds per tonne, and dividing by 365 days per year gives 20 pounds of CO2 per day to provide food for a meat loving American.

The website says it takes 1.7 tonnes of CO2 to provide food for a vegetarian in America. Multiplying by 2205 pounds per tonne, and dividing by 365 days per years shows it takes 10 pounds of CO2 per day to provide food for a vegetarian in America.) Thus, after the average American buys their food for the day, they are emitting more CO2 than the green plants of the earth sequester on their behalf.

When Californians spend $100, that $100 is associated with emitting 37 pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere. (We can divide California’s per capita CO2 emissions by California’s per capita GDP and find the average $100 spent in California is associated with putting about 37 pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere.)

Also, there are the CO2 emissions of government services. In 2008 MIT Professor Timothy Gutowski estimated that local, state and federal government services in the United States emitted about 8.5 tonnes of CO2 for every American citizen. Multiplying 8.5 tonnes by 2205 pounds per tonne and dividing by 365 days per year shows that government services emitted about 51 pounds of CO2 per American per day in 2008.

When we emit more than 14.4 pounds of CO2 per person per day, we are contributing to global warming and climate change. When we emit more than 14.4 pounds of CO2 per day, we are contributing to the melting of the Himalayan glaciers, and threatening the water supply of 1.5 billion people, including the people of Pakistan and India. The people of Pakistan and India rely on water from the Himalayan glaciers in the form of the Indus River. As global warming continues, the Indus River will get smaller, and India and Pakistan may have nuclear war over water. A nuclear war between India and Pakistan would cause about 1 degree C of global cooling and threaten the lives of 2 billion people. In thinking about global warming and climate change we should take all nuclear weapons off of hair trigger alert and negotiate the end of all nuclear weapons. The IPCC should include nuclear disarmament talks as part of addressing climate change. It is extremely unlikely Americans will decrease their CO2 emissions from about 100 pounds of CO2 per person per day to 12.3 pounds of CO2 per person per day between 2020 and 2030.

In 2030 what can world citizens do to end global warming and limit global warming to 1.5 degrees C? It is easiest to talk about this by thinking about what Jesus the scientist was trying to do. Jesus believed the Curses of Deuteronomy were the result of sin. Jesus believed sin began when Adam and Eve ate an apple grown in a garden. Gardens are places where food is grown for people. To stop sin, Jesus recommended to live according to "lay not your treasures up on earth where rot and (the fungus) rust doth corrupt and thieves break in an steal." To stop sin, Jesus recommended not growing food in gardens and storing it where it will rot and thieves will want to steal it. Jesus was recommending living as hunter gatherers like the Khoisan hunter gatherers of Africa. Jesus was implying agriculture was a mistake, much like U.C.L.A Professor Jared Diamond has written agriculture was the worst mistake in the history of the human race.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-worst-mistake-in-the-history-of-the-human-race

To help people live as hunter gatherers, Jesus lay down his life for his sheep. By suffering a very painful death by crucifixion, Jesus hoped others would lay down their lives for his sheep in less painful ways (like falling on their sword, like Brutus fell on his sword.) Today we might have Physician Assisted Acts of Altruism which would help us reach a population where there would be no human cause global warming and no human caused climate change and no worsening of the Curses of Deuteronomy.

How many people must lay down their lives for the sheep of Jesus so that there would be no human caused global warming and no human caused climate change? (How many people must lay down their lives for the sheep of Jesus so there would be no worsening of the Curses of Deuteronomy?)

The following website (Figure 1) says the earth sequesters about half of world CO2 emissions.

https://phys.org/news/2012-08-earth-absorbing-carbon-dioxide-emissions.html

Half of world CO2 emissions of 36.2 billion metric tonnes of CO2 comes to about 18.1 billion metric tonnes.

We can take the 18.1 billion metric tonnes of CO2 sequestered by the green plants of the world, and divide it by a state or country's per capita CO2 emissions to find out how many people can live on earth without increasing atmospheric CO2. California’s per capita CO2 emissions were 9.26 metric tonnes of CO2 in 2016. If everyone in the world emitted 9.26 metric tonnes of CO2 per year, 1.95 billion people could live on earth without contributing to global warming. That would represent a 74% decrease in the world’s population. If California’s population decreased 74%, California’s population would need to decrease from 39.25 million people to 7.31 million people to live sustainably on earth without raising atmospheric CO2.

The following Table uses 18.1 billion metric tonnes of CO2 sequestered (taken up) by the green plants of the world to calculate how many people would need to lay down their life for the sheep of Jesus to stop raising atmospheric CO2. Who are the sheep of Jesus? The sheep of Jesus are those who live as Jesus suggested, and live according to "lay not your treasures up on earth where rot and (the fungus) rust doth corrupt and thieves break in an steal." The sheep of Jesus are those who live as hunter gatherers like the Khoisan hunter gatherers of Africa.

State or Country population           The number of people who (millions of people) must lay down their lives for the sheep of Jesus. .......................................(in millions of people) Australia   24.13            22 Bhutan       0.7            0 California   39.25            32 China       1379                    1070 India       1324            123 Pakistan   193.2                   0 (-177) United Kingdom   65.65                   50 United States   327            293

How might this information best be taught? Health care organizations could offer computer counseling services. Artifical Intelligence computers like IBM Watson could engage citizens, offering them encouragement and teaching them Albert Einstein's new way of thinking.

Albert Einstein wrote “We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if mankind is to survive“.

“A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.”

What helps us widen our circles of compassion for all life? Does it help to realize life is a (science based) miracle? We might define a (science based) miracle as an event of extremely small probability. Life is a (science based) miracle.

If there is more than one universe, it would take 10^10^10^7 other universes for there to be a universe like ours that can support life.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2009/10/15/123729/physicists-calculate-number-of-universes-in-the-multiverse/

(If life is so precious, how could the world have 13,500 nuclear weapons worldwide ready to destroy all of life?)

We can define acts of (science based) love as “acts which sustain life, acts which enhance life, and/or acts which make life possible.”

We can “be still and know that I am (science based) love.”

What acts of (science based) love can I experience when I am still?

When I am still, I can feel my heart beat. Every beat of my heart is an act of (science based) love, for every beat of my heart sustains my life and makes my life possible.

When I am still, I can feel my chest rise, and air coming into my lungs. Every breath is an act of love. Every breath helps sustain my life and make my life possible.

When I am still, I can move my fingers, and every move of my fingers can be an act of love for my fingers can help feed me and sustain my life.

When I am still, I can think how to find food. Finding food is an act of love, for food sustains my life and makes my life possible.

When I am still, I can feel the beat of my heart. Every beat of my heart is an act of love, sustaining my life.

When I am still, I can feel the beat of my heart within my hands. Every beat of my heart sustains the life of my hands and every cell in my body.

I can imagine my heart saying the cells of my mind “Our love which art in heaven”

(We can define a (science based) heaven as a place where all the parts of your body (science based) love themselves as they (science based) love all the other parts of your body. When you heart beats, it is performing acts of (science based) love for all the cells of your heart, keeping them healthy.  When your heart beats, it is performing acts of (science based) love for all the cells of your body, keeping them alive.  All the cells of your body (science based) love your heart, performing their acts of (science based) love that sustain the life of your heart.

Realizing your body is a (science based) heaven gives us a new appreciation of your body.

All the organs of your body and all the cells of your body are performing acts of (science based) love that sustain their life, and sustain the life of every other organ and cell in your body.

The meditation continues "(science based) Hallowed be thy Name"

Something that is Holy is something that sustains life. The name “holy” and “hallowed” enhance life, and so thinking them and saying them are acts of (science based) love.

Thy Kingdom come

(What is the Kingdom of (science based) Love? We might imagine your consciousness is the King or Queen of all your cells.  Your conscious mind is able to think about each of your cells, and perform acts of (science based) Love to sustain the life of each cell and all your cells.  Within being aware it has happened, your conscious mind is the King or Queen of a (science based) heaven consisting of 27 trillion cells.  We can meditate on this, and imagine how the Kingdom of (science based) Love within your body mind be spread so that all the world of people becomes a Kingdom of (science based) love, like the Kingdom of (science based) Love within your body.

We can think "May the Kingdom of (science based) Love within my body be realized by my mind. May the Kingdom of (science based) love within my body give me peace, knowing all the parts of my body will do the best they can to (science based) love all the other parts of my body.)"

Thy will be done

(May will of (science based) love be done throughout my body. What is the will of (science based) love?  The will of (science based) love is to perform acts which sustain life, or enhance life, or perform acts which make life possible.)

on earth

(May the (science based) love within my body help the rest of the world perform acts of (science based) love throughout society here on earth.)

as it is in (my science based) heaven.

(As it is in the (science based heaven within my body.)

Give us this day our daily bread

(May the (science based) love in my mind be successful at finding food and providing food to my heart and all the parts of my body. May the (science based) love within all the plants that I eat be successful at growing and providing my body with food.)  May the (science based) love within all the animals and living things that I eat be successful at helping them sustain their lives.

And forgive us our trespasses

(May the (science based) love within my mind forgive me for not treating others as well as I would like. May the (science based) love within the minds of others forgive me for not treating them as well as they would like. People may think I did not treat them very well.    I will have trouble forgiving others for not treating me as well as I would like.  They will have trouble forgiving me for not treating them as well as they would like.  We all need this prayer to help forgive ourselves and others for not treating everyone as well as we would like.  ) As we forgive those who trespass against us

(May I forgive others for not treating me as well as I would like.)

Lead us not into temptation

(May my thoughts be guided by the (science based) love within my mind so that I am not tempted to mistreat others.)

But deliver us from evil

(May the (science based) love within my mind be successful at avoiding evil thoughts and evil deeds of others..)

For thine is the Kingdom ((of science based) love. My mind constructs a world that is my Kingdom.  With effort, I can make my world and my Kingdom a Kingdom of (science based) Love.)

and the power (the (science based) love of every cell in my body produces the power that gives me thoughts.))

and the glory ((the (science based) love within my body produces whatever glory I might recognize.) Glory is defined as "magnificence or great beauty.”  This meditation on (science based) love can help us recognize whatever magnificence or beauty we might recognize.  How do the 37 trillion cells of our body form a thought magnificent or beautiful.  How do the cells of our eye perceive a picture that is magnificent or beautiful?  These are mysteries we take for granted.  This meditation might remind us of this great mystery.)

Without all these comments the meditation on the Love within us and around us simpler.

“Our love which art in heaven Hallowed be thy Name Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread And forgive us our trespasses As we forgive those who trespass against us Lead us not into temptation But deliver us from evil For thine is the Kingdom and the power and the glory forever.

So, would you have suggestions for editing this to make it part of the Wikipedia Climate Change page?

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Thank you for your help,

Scott B Love Scott B Love (talk) 21:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC) --Scott B Love (talk) 21:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

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 * I am choosing to leave your warning here, although you are welcome to retract it by removing this section in its entirety. As I placed the warning on your page, you must have full well realized that I know what the uw-ew template is. Indeed, I fully know its meaning, & I place it rarely, only when I see someone who appears to be edit-warring by reversion and refusing to partake in the talk page discussion while doing so. I can only conclude by your behavior that this warning was retaliatory & insincere, in that it is evident that I know about the warning template & its content, & that you were engaged in the very behavior which you accuse me of & for which I warned you about. It is difficult for me to assume good faith in this matter. Unless you remove this section, I am leaving this warning & discussion in place for others (WP:TPS & also admins if it becomes necessary) to witness. Peaceray (talk) 23:13, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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Homophobia in "Chespirito" article
Caracol Television isn't a reliable source?, why?. --Eightbenny (talk) 21:31, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sir, that isn't "disruptive editing", please, stop texting templated messages, you not have valid reasons in absolute. --Eightbenny (talk) 21:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There is nothing that I can find in the translated text to indicate why Chespirito should be in Category:Discrimination against LGBT people in Mexico. On https://www.canalrcn.com/el-chavo-del-8/capitulos/el-chavo-del-8-capitulos-la-conquista-del-profesor-jirafales-175 itself, the link to what I assume is a video has been replaced by a message, Private content. We're sorry, but we cannot display this content because it has been labelled private by its author.
 * Please read & heed WP:Reliable sources & WP:No original research, particularly Primary, secondary and tertiary sources. Until you edit the article to include the appropriate text about LGBT discrimination & a reliable secondary or tertiary source, you will find yourself reverted.
 * Concerning WP:WARNING templates, they are accepted project-wide as a means to warn editors who fail to adhere to English Wikipedia policies & guidelines. They are only considered uncivil when placed on the talk pages of substantially experienced editors, excepting editors who are egregiously violating Wikipedia policies & guidelines.
 * As of this post, you have over 101 edits on all Wikimedia projects & 61 in English Wikipedia. I would venture to say that this makes you a neophyte. While I do my best not to not bite newcomers, I cannot let violations to English Wikipedia policies & guidelines to go unchallenged. Peaceray (talk) 22:04, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks sir!. Good job writing all it. --Eightbenny (talk) 22:11, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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 * , thanks for the welcome! My very first edit was to create a stub article, Marie of Savoy, Duchess of Milan, over eleven years ago. Along the way I have created Violante Visconti, Beatrice Lascaris di Tenda, Nettie Craig Asberry, & Frede (cabaret manager), plus I have edited / improved many women's biographies as well. I have also participated in Art+Feminism edit-a-thons & GLAM events like Edits for Women 2020. Thus I am not a stranger to to creating or improving women's biographies; I am just now declaring it. Peaceray (talk) 17:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

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I answered your question at Draft talk:Christine Muschik. But as general advice: 1) The rules for academics are different. You/re not trying to show substantial 3rd party reliable published sources, not press releases or blogs or postings or mere notices, you're trying to show "Influence in their field". Papers with high citations show an influence in their field. It's the very definition of what academic influence is: that people cite your work. As a rule of thumb, in biomed we want two or more papers over 100. it only works in science. In the humanities,we want 2 books from university or other academic presses, with 3rd party book reviews. 2) For GNG, it's not quantity of references that matter See WP:THREE, the best explanation I know of for what the GNG means in practice; you may have seen it cited at AfDs--it's a very short, but very influential essay.  DGG ( talk ) 06:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

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I had a question: is it possible, witout losing all of your edits, change your username? I fear I may have chosen mine badly. Sincerely, Orlando 2006-2021 (talk) 17:34, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You can find the instructions for changing your username at WP:RENAME. Pertinent to your question, A rename moves your contributions and userspace pages to a new name, and preserves your account preferences. Peaceray (talk) 19:03, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I will do that now. Orlando 2006-2021 (talk) 10:04, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Removing edit on Church of England's page
Hi, Peaceray. First, I wanted to start by saying that I am relatively new to this platform. In the Church of England article, you have undone my correction with respect to the classification and orientation of the Anglican Church. As far as I knew, the classification within the Protestant movement of the Anglican Church is correct. I would like to know if something was wrong to fix it or to know if it was right as it was, if it was necessary to post sources or references, I am relatively new to this but all contributed in good faith. Thanks for your attention! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertogomez17 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , I believe that this is best discussed at Talk:Church of England. In particular, I would direct you to Talk:Church of England, in which opens the discussion by stating First the Church of England states in the creed and its foundational documents that it is still part of the Catholic Church so it does not agree that it has separated from the Catholic Church, it was separated from that part of the Catholic Church which is controlled from Rome.
 * I would also direct you to the article on Anglicanism, where the fourth paragraph of the lead starts: In the first half of the 17th century, the Church of England and its associated Church of Ireland were presented by some Anglican divines as comprising a distinct Christian tradition, with theologies, structures, and forms of worship representing a different kind of middle way, or via media, between Protestantism and Catholicism – a perspective that came to be highly influential in later theories of Anglican identity and expressed in the description of Anglicanism as "Catholic and Reformed".
 * I think there is an assumption that anything that is Christian that is not Catholic is automatically Protestant. I think that is an inaccurate conclusion. However, if you differ in this, you may bring it up at Talk:Church of England, Talk:Anglicanism, and/or  Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anglicanism. It would be there that you must change consensus. However, I doubt that you would get much traction with this given that the Church of England's website itself states:
 * Peaceray (talk) 05:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you for clarifying my doubt. I also thank you in advance for letting me know about the existence of any spaces of my own to discuss my doubts and to contribute data on Anglicanism in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertogomez17 (talk • contribs) time, 22:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Peaceray (talk) 05:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you for clarifying my doubt. I also thank you in advance for letting me know about the existence of any spaces of my own to discuss my doubts and to contribute data on Anglicanism in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertogomez17 (talk • contribs) time, 22:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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I recently expanded the article and removed the 'Stub-class' rating. I do not know how to register this change by modifying the article's talk page. Could you help, so I could see how it's done? Thanks! Eonn (talk) 22:33, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * To do this at Talk:Michael Freilich (oceanographer), change the  parameter/value in the WikiProject Biography template to  . Peaceray (talk) 23:03, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Chester A. Arthur
Apologies for my fouled-up edits there: as far as I was aware, it was not possible to have the same cite number using multiple page references. Palindromedairy (talk) 00:55, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * , yeah, sfn & sfnm will have individual footnotes for author-year-page combination, & will allow coalesce those footnotes with the same author-year-page combination. You might want to check out Help:Shortened footnotes. Peaceray (talk) 01:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

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I just wanted to thank you for welcoming me in this space before. I am new here and I want to contribute to the growth of this site. greetings! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robgg70 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You are welcome! Peaceray (talk) 04:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

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"Official"
Hi, You reverted an edit of the Australian rules football article to remove a template questioning by whom the sport was "officially" known by a name. The referenced source is a publication by the Australian Football League Limited, an incorporated company, a private association with no official authority. The company (formerly named the Victorian Football League Limited - see asic.gov.au) is no longer a league of clubs as it is not controlled by its original member clubs, has an independent board (commission) and operates of its own volition following court rulings indicating it did not have a fiduciary relationship to the clubs. The South Melbourne "Swans" and Fitzroy "Lions" football clubs were bankrupted by indebtment to the company which took over and now owns some teams, retains veto control of others and has licenced or franchised new teams to owners. The company is unrepresentative of and unaccountable to the many Australian Football clubs and the huge Australian Football community. As a rapacious monopolistic company trying to control Australian Football, of course the AFL will pretend it has some "official" authority. Please do not lend credibility to the AFL's disinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.64.135 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * We are discussing in which 14.203.175.10 inserted the By whom? template & left as the edit summary What makes it "official"? Only the ignorant call it AFL.


 * Consider that I saw the By whom? & saw that the footnote/citation that followed a few words later linked to a page that stated it was The Official Home of AFL. Putting aside your contest of the veracity of that statement, you might consider the template was inappropriate, as there was a statement & a citation that clearly supported it.


 * Consider further the edit summary, which I certainly interpreted as a point-of-view (POV) that seemed to violate English Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy.


 * Your explanation above about Australian Football League Limited is more informative, & the edit from officially known as to also called makes sense in this context. However, your questioning of the veracity & role of afl.com.au would be much better be directed to Talk:Australian rules football where editors more familiar with Australian rules football can better evaluate & discuss your argument. After all, I am a Yank who rarely follows sports, let alone those in Australia. I can only gauge edits by their summaries & the appropriates of template placing. IMHO, as I already stated, this edit was inappropriate because it appeared to be biased based on the edit summary & because there was a citation that seemed to support it.


 * Please continue any further discussion about the veracity of the afl.com.au citation at Talk:Australian rules football. Peaceray (talk) 16:20, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

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"loved"/"dreaded" is actually in the source
https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted

I reverted those edits on Python anyway because it was already in the citations and I don't the point of calling out a specific ranking in a specific survey. It's just the opinions of Stack Overflow users who hear about and answer surveys, not software developers in general anyway. Akeosnhaoe (talk) 14:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You are correct, & I apologize for not checking further. The language you cited was not in the first two of the citations that I checked, & somehow missed the reference to Stack Overflow. Had I seen that, I would have given altogether different reasons for reverting, since there were also Manual of Style issues involved.
 * Consider that the Manual of Style for the Lead section states The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic that should summarize the most important points. Details are best left for the body of the article. To pull a detail from the twenty-something table of the third of five citations hardly strikes me as part of concise summary. It puts us rather deep in the brush of the jungle when we are striving for a 10000 ft view, don't you think?
 * I believe that the Python consistently ranks as one of the most popular programming languages suffices. Peaceray (talk) 16:22, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for your help reverting the CFD templates from category pages per the nomination at Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 16.

For info, this would otherwise have been handled by a bot, as programmed by Lee Vilenski here (albeit the syntax needed a slight change).

The bot would also have added Old CfD to the talk pages. However, I think it won't do that now that the CFD templates have already been removed from the category pages. I've added it manually at Category talk:Wikipedia articles needing expert attention. Feel free to paste that onto the talk pages of some of the other categories if you think it might be noticed for future reference. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Accept my apologies, I assumed it would need the full closure rationale and didn't read the full notes. Thank you for sorting Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi!
Hi Peaceray! I didn't did just to vandalize the page, actually I found that other sources are contrary to that specific edit (which have been reverted) so I removed it. Kindly can you undo it? Or can you tell how to improve edit summarising? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrapocentrist (talk • contribs) 22:59 23 May 2021-05-23 (UTC)
 * I responded on your talk page. Peaceray (talk) 06:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Hawaiian Island nicknames
I am quite confident in asserting that the nicknames of the Hawaiian Islands is just that, Islands. For instance, the main local newspaper in Kaua'i is The Garden Island, the term "isle" is only something that exists on the internet from what I have seen. However, this is hard to source as most online publications beyond Hawaii erroneously use the word "isle". Weather this is a mistranslation from the original Hawaiian I can not say. However, what I know beyond doubt and anyone who has lived in these islands can tell you is that the phrase "Isle" is never said here. We don't say "The Big Isle" for Hawaii Island do we? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingDario (talk • contribs) 13:57 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Without verification from a reliable source, you confidence is merely original research. Your assertion that anyone who has lived in these islands can tell you is that the phrase "Isle" is never said here. contradicts my experience of living for nearly 14 years on "The Gathering Place", working as a part-time reference librarian at HPU (which hosted the Hawaiʻi Pacific special collection, BTW), & seeing those Isle nicknames splashed all over tourist literature. I will take these Hawaiʻi sources over your undocumented assertions.
 * The County of Maui: http://www.co.maui.hi.us/DocumentCenter/View/92753
 * Eileen Chao, staff writer for The Maui News: https://kahoolawe.hawaii.gov/media/2015.01.18%20Maui%20News%20Mayor%20Visit.pdf
 * Various publishers from Hawaiʻi listed on page 3 of this publication from the State of Hawaiʻi Board of Geographic Names: https://files.hawaii.gov/dbedt/op/gis/bgn/Guidelines_for_Hawaiian_Geographic_Names_v1.1.pdf
 * Do you have any such sources to back up your claims? Peaceray (talk) 21:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * BTW:
 * The unprecedented surge of COVID-19 cases on the mainland and the rise in community spread on Kaua‘i are of significant concern for the Garden Isle. — Gov. David Ige, https://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/office-of-the-governor-news-release-kauai-mayor-to-impose-temporary-moratorium-on-its-participation-in-states-pre-travel-testing-program-%EF%85%A5-lc/
 * Businesses should bring recyclables directly to Garden Isle Disposal (GID), from https://www.kauai.gov/KauaiResourceCenter
 * I would suggest that you refrain from the claim that the phrase "Isle" is never said here when that is clearly not the case. Peaceray (talk) 21:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

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Wikidata has killed off one of your centenarians!
María Teresa Sesé looks interesting ... but Wikidata says that according to the National Library of Portugal she died in 2019. All 3 articles on her have this in their infoboxes but not in their text, so I think it's pretty unlikely. I don't know what we need to do about dodgy info in Wikidata, but if you have any Wikidata geeks among your centenarian-focussed fellow-editors they might like to take it up. Pam D  18:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks! It looks like all three infoboxes are pulling their death date from Wikidata. http://urn.bn.pt/nca/unimarc-authorities/html?id=112853 does list a field, 200 #1 $aSésé,$bMaria Teresa$f1917-2019. I will have to dig deeper as this is the only source that indicates that she is dead.
 * It is inevitable that one or more of these centenarians may have died or will die in the course of editing. After I drew up the list, Krystyna Łyczywek died. I still think all those on the list, alive or not, are notable. Peaceray (talk) 21:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , still looking, but I have not found anything with these Google searches:
 * "María Teresa Sesé" "obituario" "2019"
 * "María Teresa Sesé" "2019" (muerte OR fallecida OR muerto OR obituario ) -"Hasta la muerte"
 * I have not examined all the results thoroughly, but nothing obvious about her alleged death has popped up. Peaceray (talk) 17:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm very suspicious about it! It's awkward that it automatically populates those infoboxes, and disappointing that no-one has noticed the discrepancy between text and infobox in the 3 articles. Ah, I see she's now a blue link- without an infobox. Pam  D  17:49, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * And it appears that, in Spanish Wikipedia, the birth and death categories (and presence or absence of "living people" category) are derived automatically from Wikidata. Not a pretty sight. Pam  D  18:03, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for helping the new user User:Joelphotofix. I did my best, but it is clear you know a lot more about our image policies and procedures than I do. HighInBC Need help? Just ask. 21:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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How is the fact that you occupied Hawaii for 14 years relevant? Furthermore how is "racially pejorative" relevant or even neutral?
Title. who even r u
 * My title is irrelevant. What is relevant about livng as a kamaʻaina in Hawaiʻi in that I have heard haole used as a racial pejorative. My particular issue, as mentioned in the edit summary noted that "allegedly" is a MOS:WEASEL .... Please see Weasel word so that you may better understand why I found "allegedly" to be revertable under the words to watch Manual of Style guideline. Peaceray (talk) 02:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Tipton
I understand about the birth name issue, but I find it ridiculous that you are actually reverting the modification of language that implies that Tipton was a woman or was acting as a man. Do not revert such content again. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 15:29, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * While I hear your opinion, I do not agree with it. My reversions are almost always grounded in policy & guidelines. If I believe an editor has made changes against edit consensus, then as the explanatory supplement BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, suggests, I will revert an edit & direct that editor to the talk page to gain consensus.


 * I think that your admonishment & direction to me goes beyond any policy. I will continue to edit as constuctively as I can within policy & guidelines. I will ignore any individual direction to not revert such content again that is not grounded in enwiki P&G. Peaceray (talk) 20:27, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * What consensus exists on the Tipton article beyond the deadname consensus? - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 21:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * As noted above, please see WP:EDITCONSENSUS. Peaceray (talk) 21:38, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Elaborate on the consensus on the edits outside of the deadname change. A lack of specific consensus on those edits' changes makes your reversion nonsensical, with the only explanation being a support of that language or worse. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 21:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * No, I will not do that here. If you do not understand that an editor can be justified by EDITCONCENSUS in challanging the alteration of long-standing text, then you do not understand that policy. If you want to change consensus on the article, do it on the talk page. I recommend a WP:RFC if you really wish to have a formal consensus. Getting a formal consensus would avoid any problems with edit-warring, & broaden the discussion to beyond those attending to only Talk:Billy Tipton. Peaceray (talk) 21:57, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds like bureaucracy for the sole purpose of being bureaucratic. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 21:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have been working with consensus on & off for 40 years. Consensus may seem bureaucratic & tedious, but my experience is that even when everyone is pissed off because they had to compromise, there is also a sense of accomplishment & agreement. Do your really think that the current ad hoc process will bring a lasting resolution? That is the purpose of consensus. Peaceray (talk) 22:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

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Addition to Wow page article
While I can understand that IMDB is user generated source, I do not understand how my addition to the In Popular culture section is not allowed, but others such as: The 2019 film Ad Astra uses the "6EQUJ5" signal as the filename of a Top Secret message reviewed by the film's main character. or '''In the 2015 movie Lazer Team, the Wow! signal is used as the source of an alien power suit.''' is when neither link has a cite either. It would seem to me, that if those pass muster, mine's no different. Just trying to understand. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stridergdm (talk • contribs) 18:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I was following up on your talk page since Primefac had not followed up with a warning after Yes, it is true that there is uncited material at Wow! signal. Any editor should feel free or to mark it with either the Citation needed or the Better source needed templates. Peaceray (talk) 04:47, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, a) I agree that the content in question should be sourced or removed, and b) I don't leave warnings for a single, reasonable, but ultimately unsourced addition. Primefac (talk) 11:39, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you
Hi Peaceray. Thank you very much for the warm welcome. I will take a look on the WikiProjects for sure. The adoption you mentioned it seems very interesting too. Thank you again. TL-WP-CA (talk) 03:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

If it's okay for me to tag on here - thank you as well! I really appreciate your welcome, and the advice. Simplefruits (talk) 01:54, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Simplefruits

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Nomination of University of Pennsylvania Glee Club for deletion
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Warning
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Yiddish, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. 2600:8800:2C0E:F500:4DF6:46DB:E15E:1B6 (talk) 23:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I find it odd that you would post a warning about adding content when I was merely reverting removal of material whose edit summary was incorrect (This is an oblast > Russian only) as per the Jewish Autonomous Oblast article or had no edit summary whatsoever. Your last removal of the material at least had a clear edit summary. If I had reverted it then after you had challenged the lack of citations, then an uw-unsourced1 level one warning might have been appropriate. I therefore think the uw-unsourced2 level two warning was inappropriate & shows a lack of WP:AGF. I leave it here for other editors to judge.


 * I have restored the deleted material with three citations. Peaceray (talk) 00:02, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Samuel Jacobs (journalist)
Hi User:Peaceray how are you, can you take a look at this article Draft:Samuel Jacobs (journalist) If it's encyclopedic, can you move the draft, to the article's main space? --Hasan AB123 (talk) 05:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Draft talk:Samuel Jacobs (journalist)
You are invited to join the discussion at Draft talk:Samuel Jacobs (journalist). Peaceray (talk) 17:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

An eye on AUKUS
Looks like there's a coordinated group of IPs, (or just one bored editor with many proxies) disrupting the talk page at AUKUS. Thanks for keeping an eye on it. BrxBrx(talk)(please reply with BrxBrx ) 22:05, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Besides requesting page protection, I have contacted administrators in another channel. Peaceray (talk) 22:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You may also want to keep an eye on the ANZUS part until the page is protected - this group of IPs seem absolutely determined to remove it (and all without providing any sources!). BrxBrx(talk)(please reply with BrxBrx ) 22:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * As per Special:Log/protect,  Peaceray (talk) 22:37, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah good to see the TP is protected. Now just for the article page :), and hopefully this group finds some other windmill to joust with. BrxBrx(talk)(please reply with BrxBrx ) 22:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * tn protectd AUKUS as well. Peaceray (talk) 22:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

The user blanked his own talk page.
The user, Special:Contributions/178.202.82.89, just blanked his own talk page. Could you please revert the blank right now and warn that user not to do such a thing like that again? AdamDeanHall (talk) 19:25, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * As per the English Wikipedia behavioral guideline WP:OWNTALK:


 * It is thus within 178.202.82.89's purview to remove comments posted to 178.202.82.89's talk page. I have seen other editors, especially administrators, restore warnings it the editor continues to violate policies & guidelines.  I would consider that to be appropriate if 178.202.82.89 misbehaves in the immediate future. Peaceray (talk) 20:26, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Peaceray; I just thought I should notify you of this in relation to this edit summary. I only gave the IP a level one warning originally, not being aware of the history, but upon them re-blanking their page I took a look at their history and saw your comment. BilledMammal (talk) 08:55, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Was Sally Ride lesbian or bi-sexual?
Sorry, I am new to editing wiki. How do we justify calling Sally Ride a lesbian, instead of bisexuality? Heck, she married a man. Dus she disavow her interest in men? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.241.161.165 (talk) 04:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I think the answer lies in NASA's attitude towards gay people at the time & Ride's desire to get into space, & Ride's desire for privacy.
 * Consider:
 * While we may speculate what the reasons for her marriage were, we cannot conclude that she was bi-sexual, or whether she had a lavender marriage, or anything about what her reasoning or feelings were. We only have postmortem commentary, & the consensus of those citations seems to conclude that she was lesbian. Peaceray (talk) 19:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * While we may speculate what the reasons for her marriage were, we cannot conclude that she was bi-sexual, or whether she had a lavender marriage, or anything about what her reasoning or feelings were. We only have postmortem commentary, & the consensus of those citations seems to conclude that she was lesbian. Peaceray (talk) 19:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * While we may speculate what the reasons for her marriage were, we cannot conclude that she was bi-sexual, or whether she had a lavender marriage, or anything about what her reasoning or feelings were. We only have postmortem commentary, & the consensus of those citations seems to conclude that she was lesbian. Peaceray (talk) 19:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * While we may speculate what the reasons for her marriage were, we cannot conclude that she was bi-sexual, or whether she had a lavender marriage, or anything about what her reasoning or feelings were. We only have postmortem commentary, & the consensus of those citations seems to conclude that she was lesbian. Peaceray (talk) 19:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

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I've got pages needed for review.
Assuming a page needs reviewing from WP Admins, can you please give me the template for that? Fooliard (talk) 09:14, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that, technically, anyone who has the right to move the page can move it into the article space. That said, there is a group of editors who are dedicated to reviewing drafts, but the backlog is substantial.
 * I believe that the best method to request a review is to place Draft article at the top of your draft, then press the button when your draft is ready for review. Peaceray (talk) 13:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

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Godwatch49
Please take a look at this Block evasion. Sockpuppet investigations/Godwatch49 This has been going on and is now spilling out to other Mahabharata articles as the admins are now locking the articles due to sock puppetry. Letting you know so that you can report him next time he appears. --Venkat TL (talk) 19:23, 3 November 2021 (UTC)


 * thanks! Much of the time that I encounter a sock puppet is due to a handful of reasons, typically someone who respects neither WP:VNT or WP:BRD, & is engaged in removing cited material or adding uncited material. Once I see that an editor has received four or more warnings on their talk page, my next step is usually WP:AIV or one of the other admin bulletin boards. If there is a sock puppet involved, then this is the point where it generally gets recognized. If I see a particular page that is falling victim repeatedly, then I go to WP:RFPP. Generally taking these steps works pretty well for me. Peaceray (talk) 19:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Question about changing a word usage
I was looking at a page on a subject involving Botswana, and in several places it uses the form "Botswanan". This is regarded as an incorrect form locally, for reasons to do with Bantu grammar. Better would be "Botswana citizenship" for example. I thought of changing it, but do I need to provide a reference? The form "Botswanan" is however used outside the country to some extent, though seldom by experts. I am new to this, should I raise the issue on Talk or something first? Perhaps I should mention here that I am a historian of the region. Thanks MirrorSquirrel (talk) 19:45, 8 November 2021 (UTC).


 * Yes, I would start by starting a section on the article talk page, possibly something with a title like, then explain the how & why of it being incorrect. Listing a citation or two showing that "Botswanan" is incorrect" or that the correct method would be something like "Botswana citizenship" would buttress your statements. Then when you make your change, your edit summary can be something like Removing "Botswana" as incorrect, replacing with the locally acceptable "Botswana citizenship". Please see talk page for details.


 * I have encountered problems similar to this. For instance, someone who is Hawaiian is generally assumed to be Native Hawaiian & could even live elsewhere, whereas someone who is a resident or a state citizen would be called Kamaʻāina. Another example is that people in Hawaii almost always refer to the Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom as an overthrow, whereas those with no connection to Hawaii often refer to it as a coup d'etat. Peaceray (talk) 21:51, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Reply regarding education
I disagree with you regarding education. If someone doesn't have a degree than they don't have the education. Hence, the only education that Ms. Holmes has is the high school one. She studied at the university for 2 months only. To list a university education in her profile is an insult to all the people who actually had to work towards getting their education. There's no such thing like an "incomplete degree". There either is a degree or there is not, nothing in between. It looks like your approach is not neutral. I don't think a university degree should be listed in her short bio because she does not have one. The fact she studied at Stanford for a short while is mentioned in detail in the article which is absolutely fine but it should not be listed in the summary because she does NOT have a university education, she left school at 19. A propos, she's not just an accused fraudster, she IS a fraudster. The lies have already been exposed, regardless of where legal proceedings are at. TerraPax (talk) 07:26, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree entirely. This is a matter of consistency. We list the partial education for Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Steve Wozniak, Orson Welles, or Georgia O'Keeffe. Why should we break this convention for Holmes? Is it because you have a negative view of Holmes?


 * In case you wonder why I insist on consistency, it is a matter of gender equity. I find that there have been numerous attempts to degrade or demote Holmes in comparison to similar male individuals. For instance, it was only after I asked why the term fraudster was being added to the introductory sentence on the Holmes article when it did not appear in the lead sentence for Bernie Madoff or Bernie Ebbers, another editor then changed it.


 * Similarly, as we do not add "college dropout" in the introductory sentence for Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, I then reverted edits that added it there for Holmes.


 * Education should be consistent with the concept of alumnus: a former student who has either attended or graduated in some fashion from the institution. Thus, Holmes would be considered an alumna of Stanford.


 * Regarding the label fraudster, until Holmes gets convicted, that is a contentious label. I agree with the opinion that Holmes is a fraudster, but to call her that in an article is a violation of WP:NPOV. Alleged fraudster would be fine, but don't put the cart before the horse. Either wait for the conviction before adding the word fraudster, or do a cited exact quote containing the word fraudster.


 * If you wish to discuss this further, please open a discussion at Talk:Elizabeth Holmes where others may see & comment. A disagreement between two editors is often served better by more eyeballs. Peaceray (talk) 17:30, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for your kind note welcoming me to Wikipedia. It was very helpful and I will take your advice and seek adoption. ArhedisVarkenjaab (talk) 11:28, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, I have seen this welcoming message you posted and really liked, but which template did you used? Have fun! Cinadon36 07:18, 23 November 2021 (UTC)


 * That would be Welcome-menu. You can use  to place it manually, but I recommend using WP:Twinkle to semi-automate its placement. You can read how to use Twinkle at WP:Twinkle/doc. Peaceray (talk) 17:51, 23 November 2021 (UTC)


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Peace Ray?
Now that's an idea. Just point at a ruckus and shoot. Perhaps an intelligence ray or a common sense ray too? I'd like to help sew the frayed fabric of our society back together with social media threads. Can we talk? votus 71.38.93.229 (talk) 21:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * It's not Peace Ray; it's Peaceray. One word.


 * This is a talk page. We can talk here. Peaceray (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

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