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Thank you, for your informative comment regentspark.

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Thank you for your advice, Spaceman. I'll add images to the gallery i have created in the future instead.

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Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. Thanks! Kautilya3 (talk) 10:51, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Indo-Aryan peoples. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Kautilya3 (talk) 15:00, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Era style violation of guidelines
Besides the fact that I doubt that the average reader could understand your edits, the problems with the English and doubts about how relevant it all is, we have a guideline for era style at WP:ERA. This is a BCE article and you are using an era style that I don't recognise, YBP. There is of course BP, but that can only be used if the source does and candy be translated directly into calendar years. Please fix this as I don't plan to check your sources. I presume you have actually read your sources and only used material from the summary or discussion spect ions. If that's not the case then you shouldn't be using them. Doug Weller (talk) 19:09, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

YBP = years before the present. And, yes it is mentioned in the source. YBP is used in both genealogy and geology studies.

Why isn't it relevant? It's simplified yet detailed information of early migrations of various population into subcontinent along with all major haplogroups found in Indian-subcontinent today. Pebble101 (talk) 19:42, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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October 2015
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 * Pebble101, I think you have gone insane! You just edit-warred with 5 different editors, including an ARBCOM member? What is wrong with you? - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * Pebble101, you have not yet made any comments on the SPI. You would be well-advised to do that before an admin starts the investigation.
 * While there is nothing wrong with editing Wikipedia while logged out, you cannot edit the same pages that have edited while logged in, making it appear as if different individuals ("SOCKS") are editing. You can fix this by self-declaring. Please check all the IP addresses that I have listed in the SPI and put a pointer to your regular user page from their home pages. (Joshua Jonathan and I have already done this for a couple of IP addresses where you self-declared.)
 * You need to do this quite urgently. Otherwise you are likely to get a really long block once the SPI investigation is completed.
 * You should also do this for any other IP addresses you might have used, irrespective of whether I listed them or not. - Kautilya3 (talk) 09:55, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I just made a post here regarding that issue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Pebble101

Copyvio
Please never restore material that has been deleted as a copyright violation, instead ask the person who deleted it why. I've been doing this for years, and have clarified both at Slakr's talk page and Talk:Haplogroup F-M89. Doug Weller (talk) 15:09, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Okay, yet you have used same sengupta study to source F2 while ignoring F*-M89 at 5.2% in over all Indian population according to the study under 'The Phylogeny of South Asian Y-Chromosome Binary HGs.


 * F2 (M427, M428) - among Lahu people (China).

I will add F*-M89 5.2% in India along with the source in F*

Also, under 'Origins' there is no source for F2 being found in all those groups mentioned on the list expect for Lahu people in sengupta study and 9.3% in unspecified ethnic groups. That's why i'm changing it to just F, since they most linkly carry other F clads too.


 * I haven't used any sources, that would be someone else. Doug Weller (talk) 17:05, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

No, but you seem to have moved the source from 'origins' to F2, which can be seen here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haplogroup_F-M89&diff=685400312&oldid=684059217

This addition looks immature to me, i'll simplify it with source.

Please Note: The preceding estimate uses a 2008 paper as cite, while 2015 papers are rapidly improving knowledge. More up-to-date sources (including Wikipedia!) may show (46,000 to 52,000) years ago for the TMRCA of F-M89, near western India.


 * Pebble101, is one of the seniormost editors on Wikipedia. It is not appropriate to address him like this.
 * Doug is only trying to enforce policy, WP:COPYVIO and WP:RS. He is not claiming to be a subject expert. I don't find anything inappropriate in his edits given the COPYVIO issue. You are welcome to rewrite the text so that COPYVIO is removed.
 * Please also make an effort to discuss issues on the article talk pages instead of reinstating material that has been reverted. You should not be putting long conversations in the edit summaries. See WP:BRD for what to do when an edit is reverted.
 * We have been quite patient with you, assuming good faith. From now on, I intend to report any policy violations that you make, including edit-warring. So please be careful. All the best. - Kautilya3 (talk) 09:46, 14 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm guessing that Pebble101 doesn't understand what I did. A paper whose first editor is named Sengupta was used as a reference for both the copyvio I removed and, despite what Pebble101 says, for FT - that's what the " " in " **F2 (M427, M428) - among Lahu people (China). means. But as I'd removed the entire source details with my edit, I moved them to define " " - otherwise the reference would have been broken. The reference was ways there. And you are still doing original research in changing sourced material to just "F" on your assumption. I'm not at all surprised to find that sourced material is inaccurate, people often change sourced material without looking to see wht the source says.
 * Statements such as "Please Note: The preceding estimate uses a 2008 paper as cite, while 2015 papers are rapidly improving knowledge. More up-to-date sources (including Wikipedia!) may show (46,000 to 52,000) years ago for the TMRCA of F-M89, near western India." have no place in an encyclopedia - it's just your personal observation and once again, you can't use us as a source. Kautilya3 (talk) 10:19, 14 October 2015 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talk • contribs) 10:01, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Original research
Your comments at that article are WP:NOR and not encyclopedic in any case. Also, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Doug Weller (talk) 15:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

List-defined references
The references for genetics articles have very long lists of authors. Putting them inline in the article text makes it harder to read the text. So I have been moving them to the bottom (the so-called list-defined references). You can see this on Genetic history of South Asia and Haplogroup F-M89. Please follow this convention from now on, i.e., do not add full references in the middle of article text. - Kautilya3 (talk) 10:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

October 2015
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Indian people, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. ''Caution for undiscussed removal of cntent. Your edit removed a lot more than just information about the caste system. Discuss it on the talk page of the article, and get support from other editors before removing it again.'' Thomas.W talk 11:42, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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See above discussion on this talk page about Copyright-violation sourced study with User:Doug_Weller regarding sengupta study, which was removed by himself. I'm only undoing the copyright viliation in good faith the sources were added by me and i'm only undoing my mistakes.

It was removed by user User:Doug_Weller in other places as well due to copyright violation regarding the original study which was sourced through copy-paste - It's should be removed until the topic is resolved. Also here is the conversation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slakr#Pebble101 that was discussed. I hope this clear things.


 * Judging by the page history and the diffs the material that you have repeatedly removed is NOT the same material that Doug Weller removed, the copyrighted material he removed was in fact added by you, as a number of related IPs. Thomas.W talk 12:03, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

No, The entire thing was removed in other pages as well! you can ask User:Doug_Weller about it. I only removed the rest because it was all sourced by sengupta study through copy-paste, which he also pointed out as copyright violation here aswell. I din't know it would be a copy-right violation then.

The edit itself was created and sourced by me but i would like to wait until User:Doug_Weller, me and few others resolve this copy-right violation and content source, that's why i removed it in good faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pebble101 (talk • contribs)
 * Pebble101, please sign your posts, otherwise pings don't work. But to clarify, what you are saying is that you removed all the content you added as an IP or as yourself because that may contain the same problem that identified with what he removed? &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:28, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I just made a post here regarding that issue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Pebble101

I can't long in at Uni during the day but do make edits logged on past 5 when i'm home. I have also mentioned this to many users on here. I'll make sure to leave my user name in summery when i do. Pebble101 (talk) 12:38, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The genetic material does seem to have copyvio concerns. For example, the sentence "the presence of ..." is lifted verbatim from the source. However, that does not explain the removal of the material from other sections. Pebble101, technically, including your IP edits, you're already at 4 reverts. Whatever the reason, please curb your tendency to edit war because you're looking at longer term - soon heading toward indefinite - blocks. --regentspark (comment) 12:40, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Ask Doug Weller about it, he removed it everywhere and the entire section was created and sourced by me. But, I'm willing to wait until we resolve this copyvio issue.

Here is our discussion on the topic and he points out flaws regarding source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slakr#Pebble101 I agree with him on some of those Pebble101 (talk) 12:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I've responded to you at the SPI, but I'll say the same thing here, to make sure you see it. To say that some of the IPs are from you (how are we supposed to know which the some are?), and to tell users about it when they confront you isn't enough. I for one don't blame you for editing logged out when it's impractical to log in, but what you need to do, in the interest of transparency and honesty, is to say it's you ("This is Pebble101") in the edit summary every time you edit from an IP from now on. That would clear things up. Bishonen &#124; talk 14:26, 14 October 2015 (UTC).

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Hello. I should have explained myself better instead of edit warring and getting blocked, sorry. The genetic section that you keep reverting back was removed in good faith due to copyright violation and unclear sources as pointed out by Doug Weller. That section itself was created and sourced by me and i only removed it as it was pointed out in detail about it being copyright violation and unclear sources.

Here is a list of flaws on copyright violation and unclear sources as pointed out by Doug Weller, which you keep reverting back. I agree with him on some of those flaws.

First sentence - problem there was copyright - "According to the phylogeographic distribution of haplotypes observed among South Asian populations defined by social and linguistic criteria, the possibility arose of Y-DNA haplogroup F and mtDNA  Haplogroup M might have originated in South Asia." is copyvio from the source with a possible pov change: "On the basis of the combined phylogeographic distributions of haplotypes observed among populations defined by social and linguistic criteria, candidate HGs that most plausibly arose in situ within the boundaries of present-day India include C5-M356, F*-M89, H-M69*"

Second sentence: "The presence of several haplogroup F, Haplogroup M and K that are largely restricted to the Indian subcontinent is consistent with the scenario that a coastal of early human migration out of Africa carried ancestral Eurasian lineages first to the coast of the Indian subcontinent, or that some of them originated there" cf with "The presence of several subclusters of F and K (H, L, R2, and F*) that are largely restricted to the Indian subcontinent is consistent with the scenario that the coastal (southern route) migration(s) from Africa carried the ancestral Eurasian lineages first to the coast of Indian subcontinent (or that some of them originated there)."

Another: "Based on both archaeobotanical material evidence and colloquial agricultural terms, independent centers of agriculture domestication took place within Indian-Subcontient(sic) cf with "Fuller finds that “evidence based on both archaeo-botanical material and colloquial agricultural terms more parsimoniously postulates that early Dravidian had an epipaleolithic pre-agricultural heritage” and that it “originated near a South Asian core region”" which is either from or Fuller's original work.

"the most frequent mtDNA haplogroups in the Indian subcontinent are M, R and U" - besides not being clearly relevant to anything, it was originally sourced from and the new source doesn't clearly state that, it appears to be cherry-picked/original research.

"All major Y chromosome DNA haplogroups in the subcontinent are Haplogroup F's descendant haplogroups R (mostly R2a, R2 and R1a1), L, H and J (mostly J2)." is from this 205 file and has the same problem, it doesn't clearly state that.

"notable haplogroups include O3 among Tibeto-Burman speakers, O2a among Austroasiatic speakers, G, Haplogroup P and T." but the source says nothing about notable haplogroups.

"Arguing for the longer term "rival Y-Chromosome model",[1] It is highly suggestive that India is the origin of the Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups which he calls the "Eurasian Eves". According to Oppenheimer it is highly probable that nearly all human maternal lineages in Central Asia, the Middle East and Europe descended from only four mtDNA lines that originated in South Asia 50,000-100,000 years ago". It isn't clear why you are using Sengupta here, and the quote ""rival Y-Chromosome model" is not in that source. As my edit summary said, Wikipedia shouldn't be telling readers what is "highly suggestive". Then out of nowhere comes a 'he', then someone with the surname Oppenheimer who isn't identified. And as I've said, I don't think Oppenheimer is really a reliable source for this - I guess also WP:UNDUE would come in, as well as what some might read as Sengupta et al's support for this.

The version you have reverted back contains copyvio and unclear sources which is not mentioned in actual source. If you still have any doubts regarding this topic, you should leave a message on Doug Weller talk page and we can discuss it further. I was only undoing my mistakes, which was in good faith. I hope this clears things. Pebble101 (talk) 18:02, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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