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thanks pectore for creating a userpage for me !! (?)
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Naveen Reddy Naveen Reddy 06:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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Tomin Thachankary
Your edit at Tomin Thachankary was reverted for several reasons. You are restoring BLP-violating material by re-introducing poorly sourced (the links provided do not support the statements made and one falls under WP:BLPCRIME) and undue material to the article. You also restored a WP:BLPCAT/WP:EGRS category that was also removed to meet policy requirements, as well as persondata, interwikis and stub templates. The article was reviewed by OTRS request and was found to have major issues, hence it being stubbed. In order for any of the contentious information to be restored you will need to get consensus to do so; I've found the quickest route to determining consensus with regard to BLP concerns is this noticeboard. Thank you, --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 16:37, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * See articles talk page (which is something you should use if you revert). Don't insult my intelligence by spamming me with policies I have already read and internalized without any logic for 'why'/'how' my edits violate policy.. You actively reverted the page (which is fine), so please dispose of the patronizing passive voice. As for the other non-policy related issues, my apologies.Pectoretalk 05:01, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Teesta Setalvad
I've reverted you there as I see this as a BLP violation (and I note that the section heading was clearly a BLP violation as it suggests she misappropriated funds). This is at the moment just a letter, and contested.. It may belong in the article at some point, especially if it leads to court proceedings, but not yet. Please don't replace it. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 16:03, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

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India Development and Relief Fund
I have again reverted your change where you called The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate a "coalition of leftists". The term "leftist" is often considered derogatory, and is not used by the cited source. With an article on a somewhat controversial topic like this, it is important to stay as close to the sources as possible. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Anti-Muslim pogroms in India
After the failed attempt to move 2002 Gujarat violence to "Anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat 2002", User:Darkness Shines went on to create the article Anti-Muslim pogroms in India as well as the category with the same name. The article was deleted and he created it again, some of us believe the sources are cherry-picked as you mentioned here. There are more issues, we couldn't move a page from Godhra train burning to Godhra train violence even though the name is imprecise and vague, precisely because the majority of the sources didn't call it by that name.

Going by this logic,
 * 1) Abuse of the word " ": This term originates from 19th-century Tsarist Russia where it was first used to label attacks against Jewish civilians that were instigated and condoned by the authorities but carried out by civilian mobs who acted with impunity while the police watched idly . Two issues:
 * The trigger cause of the '02 violence was Godhra Train burning. It was not instigated/approved/condoned by the Gujarat authorities. That accusation has been nullified in the court of law. Far from stoking violence, the authorities, in an attempt to quell the riot, actually declared a curfew immediately after the first signs of attack — and this was spelled out even in media reports. Thus, the police didn't sit back and watch idly. In fact Modi has been exonerated by the SIT.
 * 1) Common name: If we take the most controversial story of them all, Gujarat Violence in 2002. Google returns 478,000 hits for "2002 Gujarat violence" Google returns 498 hits for "Anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat 2002" Google returns 1 hit for "Anti-Muslim pogrom in 2002 Gujarat" If we generalize even further and perform a sweeping search of all the articles about  irrespective of location, even then google returns only 11,000 hits for "Anti-Muslim pogrom in 2002". It is not at all referred to as "pogrom" by general media.

Apart from that, how on earth could Bombay Riots or Nellie massacre, or 1989 Bhagalpur violence be labelled as "pogroms"? I am not trying to deny that religious violence existed in India as a pestilence since the very inception of this civilization, but to label them as "pogroms" is grossly biased. I would just like to ask you what should we do about it? Mr T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 17:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Please
Do not restore that junk again. Be aware that this topic falls under WP:ARBIP your restoration of unreliably and downtight partisan content most certainly violates WP:RS & WP:NPOV.I respectfully request you do not do this again. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:39, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

POV pushing
In your latest edits to India Development and Relief Fund, Angana P. Chatterji‎ and Ekal Vidyalaya‎ you seem determined to show that anyone critical of a Hindu Nationalist organization must be a corrupt, "leftist" agent of Pakistan. I ask you to respect Wikipedia policies: stick to a balanced view of what is said by reliable sources. Do not remove sourced content because you disagree with the author's position, and do not selectively choose only the content that supports your views. For example, you have been littering articles with serious allegations (stated as fact) from this article, which does not name its source, while ignoring this article, which casts significant doubts on the accuracy of the report. You have been similarly adding a very selective extract from this source to various articles, failing to point out that Chatterji denied being aware of Fai's position, and removing sourced content that points out that Fai was jailed for concealing his position. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your wild characterizations of my editing. Holding these pages hostage to promote your biased view has obviously coloured your view of the editing process. Adding the opposite perspective and removing questionable sources ironically of course is the epitome of "balanced editing". It might behoove you in fact to internalize this meaningless lecture you have given me. You continue to remove criticism of questionable sources, and reinstate biased sources (like Sabrang) with reckless abandon.Pectoretalk 18:41, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Your edit
Is a duplication of content already in the article, can you self revert please. Darkness Shines (talk) 18:55, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The lead is meant to reflect the material of an article.Pectoretalk 19:08, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Angana P. Chatterji
Restore that BLP violation again and you will be reported, read WP:BLPPRIMARY Darkness Shines (talk) 19:19, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Meetup
Hi, I'm Saqib, from Pakistan currently admin on Wikivoyage. I'm planning to visit Sri Lanka next week. I was wondering if we could arrange first meetup of Wikipedians in Sri Lanka during I visit there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.190.158.139 (talk) 14:17, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Saqib, I unfortunately am not in Sri Lanka at the time. Perhaps you can try approaching the Sri Lanka Wikiproject?Pectoretalk 03:31, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Categories
Please could you re-read WP:BLPCAT and WP:BURDEN. Not to mention WP:NPOV, WP:CITE, WP:MOSDATE, WP:INDICSCRIPT, WP:Overcategorisation and, well, quite a few other policies, guidelines and well-respected essays. Most of your reverts made earlier this morning (UTC) seem to suffer from problems, eg: Anna Katharina Valayil, Digvijaya Singh, Chandu Borde. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 07:43, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * To Pectore: I would like to endorse your revert made at the Digvijaya Singh page. Soham321 (talk) 09:04, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Digvijaya Singh
Not only are you now edit warring at Digvijaya Singh but it is blatantly obvious why you have suddenly taken an interest and got your knickers in a twist. I suggest that you self-revert and discuss because as things stand you are on the wrong side of consensus - not perhaps about whether or not the guy in controversial but certainly about the usage of a lead section. I must admit to being surprised because I've seen you around a lot, generally thought good of what you were doing and rather assumed that you had a decent understanding of policies and guidelines. Perhaps this one has passed you by but, hey, a revert and discussion fixes it. - Sitush (talk) 00:15, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


 * see Talk:Digvijaya Singh.Pectoretalk 00:22, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

August 2013
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Shiv Sena. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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Namantar Andolan
Dear Pectore, Many thanks.-Bhooshan NPY (talk) 11:07, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You have removed the category "persecution by Hindus" from Namantar Andolan. In edit note you have explained "secular caste violence of marathas vs dalits is not "persecution by Hindus".
 * In support of category "persecution by Hindus" for Namantar Andolan please read 1, 2 3etc... The Hindu community have persecuted neo-Buddhist people. Hinduism and Buddhism are different religion, so "persecution by Hindus" is accurate category. Additionally, Hindus have killed people from Mang(Dalit community) also. Therefor it falls under "secular caste violence" also.
 * Please let me know if you have any comments.


 * Find me quotes from these sources that back up what you're saying and I'll bite. Thanks for explaining though.Pectoretalk 00:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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Removing categories
Hi Pectore, Why have you removed category: Dalit People from some of the pages? -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 04:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Pectore
Greetings,

I had seen your contributions for Article Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and want to thank you for the same. Your effort is greatly appreciated, you had tried to make article neutral and encyclopedic. However I had also seen some users are involved in distortion and hard criticism, it seem they are biased editors. They are hard critiquing and beyond the limits, However I need you support to make it Good article and also to mock them for biased editing but according to wikipedia regulations. I will be grateful for your help. KLS 16:12, 26 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kswarrior (talk • contribs)

Can you share Encyclopedia of Religious Freedom, Catharine Cookson (ed.), Taylor & Francis, 2003, ISBN 978-0-415-94181-5, p. 180
I basically want to validate this statement:

Saffronization or saffronisation is an Indian political neologism (named after the saffron robes worn by Hindu sannyasis[1]) used by critics[2][3] and others[1][4] to refer to the policies of right-wing Hindu nationalists (Hindutva) that seek to recall and glorify ancient Hindu cultural history (the term "Hindu" in their view encompassing Dharmic Indian religions including Hinduism and the Sikh, Jain and Buddhist traditions), while de-emphasizing the more recent Islamic or Christian contributions.[5]

From the Saffronization page. I doubt that the book has any such content. Jyoti (talk) 15:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * Don't spam my page with nonsense. Pectoretalk 16:10, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm concerned about the arguments raised here. I read WP:RS, and bias is clearly not a reason for sources to be blacklisted in Wikipedia, even if it is a bias against Wikipedia. In fact, there's an entire article devoted to Criticism of Wikipedia which has reliable sources. No examples are provided of a lack of editorial oversight or inaccurate reporting, so it seems the discussion is based more on retaliation than reason. Blacklisting sources without sound reasoning risks NPOV which worries me. In your experience, what's the best way to refute these assertions? Moksha88 (talk) 05:06, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I think you should participate in the discussion with the logic you outlined.Pectoretalk 02:52, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Your revert at Anti-Hindu sentiment
I can't understand why you reinserted unsourced/badly sourced text when I deleted it with an edit summary making it clear there weren't any reliable sources. The text, which I've deleted again, says "In 2006, the son of an Islamic cleric named Ahmed Deedat circulated a DVD that denounced South African Hindus. The elder Deedat, former head of the Arab funded "Islamic Propagation Centre International" (IPCI), had previously circulated an anti-Hindu video in the 1980s where he said that Indian Muslims were 'fortunate' that their Hindu forefathers 'saw the light' and converted to Islam when Muslim rulers dominated some areas of India. His video was widely criticized. While Hindus in South Africa have largely ignored the new anti-Hindu DVD circulated by Deedat Junior, he has been severely criticized by local Muslims, including other members of the IPCI. The IPCI said in a statement that Yusuf Deedat did not represent the organisation in any way. Deedat Junior, undeterred by the opposition from his own brethren, continues to circulate the material. He has placed advertisements in newspapers inviting anyone to collect a free copy from his residence to see for themselves "what the controversy is about". " So, no source for most of the text with a 13 year old citation needed tag. If you'd clicked on the source that does exist, it goes to a Mumai hotels site. Then of course, in text 13 or 14 years old, we're told where to get his dvd. Does that look appropriate? Please ping me if you reply. And don't forget, this is covered by DS. Thanks. Doug Weller  talk 08:53, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Explanation makes sense. No issue with removal.Pectoretalk 02:52, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Admantine123 (talk) 09:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Sivakururaja Kurukkal for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sivakururaja Kurukkal is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Sivakururaja Kurukkal until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Rocky Masum (talk) 07:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)