User talk:Pectore/A1

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Your comments on RFD for Mohammad Umer
Hi, W.r.t your comments here:. Edits are reverted all the time, so how does someone reverting my edits damage my credibility. And in case you havent read the message I said that the I wouldn't lend any credence to the article, I did't say that the editor wasn't credible. And as for being called a troll, I believe that the people who go about lable everone who disagree with them as trolls are also most likely to be labled trolls. But I dont know how to say it. To me is that you seem to have taken my comment rather personally. As if I said something against you rather than someone else. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 20:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for your response. No I did not take it as an insult. The reason I posted the above message was as I said, I felt that you took it a bit personaly. I dont know why but it struck me as odd. Ok! No big deal. What you said was correct. Every POV pusher believes he/she is right. ABout motives, I have a good guess about bakaman's motives in creating the article but I do not believe in hypotheticating, at least not on wp talk pages.

Let me get back to the topic in question, rather than rambling on. I'm not a big fan of google counts. Most newspaper articles are updated simultaneously on the web so a single incident, no matter how unsignificant can get a good gcount. And the count isnt accurate. For instance yesterday a murder took place in Versova,Mumbai. Husband finds wife in bed with another man; takes an axe, kills them both. Nothing new, right? If gcount is a criteria then this too deserves an article in wikipedia 390 hits. I dont know how intercaste marriages go in Sri Lanka, but here in India it is pretty common. Parental opposition is a given. Manytimes a kidnapping case is registered against the groom as atactic to get them seprated. In case the girls age is unverifiable a very common tactic is to claim that she is a minor and hence the groom is complicit of rape. Beheadings, lynchings stonings as punnishments for the errant couple is not uncommon. Even if uniqueness is a criteria, this story pales in comparision to other grusome love stories. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs)

buddhism help
Hi Blnguyen, I noticed that you have created many articles on Buddhist leaders and I was hoping you had the time to perhaps look at Cyril de Zoysa, an article I created on this defender of the Dhamma.Pectoretalk 18:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there any speecific problem with this one, or just a general spruce up?  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Cheraman Perumal
Hello - as to your recent edits to the above article, please note the quoted sources that support the presentation of a single person. Also, the change you have made has previously been made by a single-issue editor. However, no editor has provided reputatable sources to back the change. This raises the possibility that a POV fork is being created. Therefore please provide adequate scholarly references for the view that these were two separate individuals. Thanks. Redheylin (talk) 23:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

However, consider this: No source talking about the Islamic convert discusses the Nayanar saint.

In fact (I forgot to say) we are also lacking any source at all for calling him a Nayanar.

''Also, the legend of the Saint says he "went to heaven" with Cuntarar (euphemism for dying, I assume). Would a man really be reborn to convert to Islam? Or would an Islamic convert be reborn as an "idolater"?''

A Shaivite is not necessarily an "idolater" to a Muslim - Shiva is one god, and Vedas are a book. Even, many Shaivites have no representation or icon. In fact, CP goes to heaven on his horse - just like Prophet Muhammed. Both stories end with a religious epiphany besides the many other similarities. The sources I found and supplied present him as the same man, so we should not wait too long before alternative sources are found - the edit should not have been made without sources. Just as Kabir was respected by Muslims, Sikhs and Vaishnavas, two versions of one hero might have easily arisen in those more tolerant times, while now sectarian distortions are perhaps arising. Please sort it out if you want the edit to stand. Thanks Redheylin (talk) 19:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Pectore, you ought to know that your personal opinions in this matter are beside the point. All the scholarly sources I have seen deal with CP as a single individual. That school of thought must be reflected here. If you can show there is a significant view otherwise, that should also be represented. It is especially futile to advance arguments based on the article as it stands, ie, the unsourced product of a POV battle. Please provide your sources. Redheylin (talk) 20:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

William Logan[1] reports that the Keralolpatti portrays Cheraman Perumal as a generic figurehead of the Chera Dynasty, along with a Chola Perumal and a Pandi Perumal. The name "Cheraman", also that of a local slave caste, is thought to be cognate with "Chera" and Kerala. The Keralolpatti goes on emphatically to deny that Cheraman Perumal converted to Islam (sometimes conflated with Buddhism) and died while on pilgrimage, asserting that this was all done by a later king, one Banu Perumal - an assertion that Logan immediately questions.

(from the article) Redheylin (talk) 22:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Categories
See WP:CfD. -- Relata refero (disp.) 07:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Your changes to the Roy article
Pectore, you are incorrect calling two statements in the article 'unsourced.' Here's what you deleted:


 * While opponents of Roy's political activism have for years latched on to this report, it is worthwhile noting that besides Roy three others were similarly notified, including a forest officer and a doctor at a police training center. Indian newspapers report nothing of consequence regarding the bungalows since 2003.

First of all, the first statement is not unsourced, and the proof is in the article that was cited. Did you not read that? Here is the passage: "The order spells trouble for Arundhati and three of her neighbours — writer Vikram Seth’s sister Anuradha, a forest officer Nishkant Jhadav and a doctor at a police training centre, Jagdish Chandra Sharma. All have bungalows in Bariyam village, about 7 km from the Panchmarhi hill resort." Pretty clear, not?

In regards to the second statement, the burden of proof lies with you: provide evidence that anything has happened to their bungalow in the last five years. It hasn't--and I perused the major Indian newspapers. So I am going to revert these changes, and if you have proof, real proof, that she is the only one affected, or if you have proof that this amounts to more than a little administrative matter that happened five years ago, then you have a case. But I would urge you to consider not just these unwarranted changes, but also your choice of words. Drmies (talk) 14:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * And let me add: your change is grammatically misleading and thus factually incorrect--the punctuation doesn't jive. Her husband bought one lot together with three other people? (No.) He bought the one lot and he bought three more lots? (No.) He bought a lot, and so did three other people--and they all seem to be solid citizens, not extremists, which you suggest by singling her out. Drmies (talk) 14:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Brought the cat up again
In case you're interested, Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 21. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Sri Lanka
Hi, Pectore! I see you're listed as a member of WikiProject Sri Lanka. The wikiproject is currently almost inactive, and we're trying to see if we can get it running again by getting together its members again. If you're still interested in being an active member of the Wikiproject, please add yourself under the list of currently active members on the project page. Hope to see you there. Cheers. -- C h a m a l    Talk   ±  11:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Revival of Wikiproject Sri Lanka
Hi, Pectore! Since you have volunteered to revive Wikiproject Sri Lanka and get it functioning again, your comments, ideas and suggestions will be welcome at the ongoing discussion at the project talk page. Cheers. -- C h a m a l    Talk   ±  13:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Your edit to NCM in Orissa violence
Thanks for your inputs on the Orissa violence article. Your [this edit] deletes an extremely important report as well. I had included a cited reference in an earlier edit such as [this one]. I recommend you include the report findings as mentioned on the [government of India site] Recordfreenow (talk) 04:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Pectore, I am not denying your accuracy in deleting the NCM section. I completely agree that the section is not well stated. That specific section had been edited by one of the *trouble making* users that was pushing their POV. I even have an RfC complaining about the section. See the talk section [here] All I am requesting you to do is to not completely delete the section but make a suitable edit with citations. (Don't throw baby with the bath water). Thanks! Recordfreenow (talk) 06:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Googlean
Could you plz watch his edits? He seems to be promoting race-baiting, hatred and violence incitements against Indians in several articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Googlean

72.179.59.89 (talk) 07:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Suspected sock puppets/Pectore for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Googlean  Results  08:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It is possible that "googlean" is a sock of User:Ikonoblast. The signatures are similar, and both have similar tendencies (race-baiting, religious extremism, promotion of revisionist Chritofascist dogma, glib pithy remarks, similar areas of interest) etc. There are enough diff similarities to warrant a checkuser request and a ban based on the "good hand, bad hand sock policy".Wheelwillnotgo (talk) 06:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello puppet master Wheelwillnotgo, that CU already done and proven unrelated, ok. -- Googlean  Results  06:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Murder of Swami Lakshmanananda
I had created this article by shifting the material from the Swami's page. Can you please help preserve it in present form. Thanks Shyamsunder (talk) 21:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Regarding undoing my edits, what was your motive? That section is completely inappropriate and note, too, WP is an encyclopedia and not all events and news sources warrant an encyclopedia article of their own. Please explain your reason? -- Googlean  Results  06:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly the point googlean. Remove unnecessary details like listing of slogans. Please do that in Religious violence in Orissa ( sister Lalita rape).-Bharatveer (talk) 08:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Let the revertee comment. -- Googlean  Results  08:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Pectore, Please do not remove the tag from that article until the discussion is over. This is second time I think you are trying to do this and you are being intentionally disruptive. While the consensus ( 3 - 1 ) is already to merge, how can you remove the the merge tag unilaterally ? If you continue with your disruptive edits, you may be reported at the ANI.You have been warned! --  Tinu  Cherian  - 05:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments about Dseer on RFAR
Just to clarify, I did not make any judgements about and/or the quality of that editor's contributions. The only thing that I know about Dseer is that statement on the previous RFAR. I was not by any stretch "pretending Dseer was an honest, unbiased, productive" or anything else similar or contrary. You said that you "would not expect someone like Todd to make" such statements, which is good, because if you re-read what I wrote, I believe you will find that I did not.

Rather, I pointed to that one well written statement that seemed to describe Bharatveer as I observed the editor (modulo bigotry).

While we can respectfully disagree on how to deal with Bharatveer, I ask you to strike the assertion that you made on that page about my assessment of Dseer. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 14:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

John Dayal
Pectore, what is your motivation for writing on John Dayal? I would like you to explain. Also, criticisms by individual are not material for biography. Please read [WP:BLP] Recordfreenow (talk) 05:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

warning ?
Please state the articles that you claim that I have vandalized. Gira2be (talk) 13:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Reason for doing so was due to the lake of RFs to prove notability or the use of ranks without proper establishment.Gira2be (talk) 18:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Please add some RSs to these, if no RSs are available the articles should be deleted, since there is no way establishing notability.Gira2be (talk) 05:52, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Good job for rescuing these articles, even I did not want to touch them fo obvious reasons :)))Taprobanus (talk) 05:51, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Cats
Some categories may be questionable such as Migapule Arachi, the article does noty say he si RC but he may have been but we cant catwegorixe what is not in the article. Just my opinion. Taprobanus (talk) 16:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Was he really a Catholic or just became one for political reasons and then fought against the Portuguese later on ?Taprobanus (talk) 05:52, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

TMVP
I have no idea but name change sounds plausible. Taprobanus (talk) 03:03, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Kashmir conflict
Please look into attempts by pro-Pakistan cabal to skew the article in their favor.See Talk page discussion oldidBarracuda the song (talk) 03:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Transliteration
I'll get it ready by tomorrow. Is that okay for you??- Ravichandar My coffee shop 04:18, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I checked them. The transliteration for S. Nadesan is wrong. The rest have minor issues. I'll get them ready tomorrow- Ravichandar My coffee shop 04:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, apart from Subbaiya Nadesapillai, I've finished the rest.- Ravichandar My coffee shop 03:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You use ந wherever ன should be used.In some places, you've used tha(த) where ta(ட) is to be used. Your usage of Tamil is quite fine, except for some minor issues :-).- Ravichandar <sub style="color:aqua; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My coffee shop 03:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2009
''' Happy New Year !!!! I wish for you and your family to have a wonderful 2009!!! Have fun partying and may you make many edits!!!   - Ravichandar <sub style="color:aqua; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My coffee shop  11:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

January 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. THF (talk) 22:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Please remain civil and remember WP:AGF in deletion discussions. JuJube (talk) 10:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Tamil terrorism discussion
Hi Pectore;

I realise the discussion about the Tamil terrorists category has been quite heated, and that you have felt some frustration with other users' comments and approaches. I would just encourage you in your comments there to remember to not direct any attacks against other users. This comment, where you suggested that "allegations of racism" against a user "would probably be justified ..." are particularly inappropriate, in my opinion. I'm unsure of your intent, but I'm guessing that this edit summary and the suggestion in the text that others are "still drowning in ignorance and quick to attack knowledgeable users as pov pushers" probably comes across as far more uncivil than you intended. Remember to discuss the content, not the contributors, even if another contributor makes comments about himself or others. Just so you know, I've also notified User:THF that some of his comments have been inappropriate. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey mate
Just curious about this edit, you have source for Sabanayagam being Christian? I don't want to remove it if it's true. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 17:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, would like to re-add the category and a comment, if you can find a source for it, even if it's in Tamil. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 22:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Civility
I have just seen your posts here:

Per WP:CIVIL's; These behaviors can all contribute to an uncivil environment: talk-page posts ("that is the stupidest thing I have ever seen")

You are not allowed to say these sort of things, please stop. <font color="Black">Ryan <font color="CornflowerBlue">4314   (talk) 01:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, thankyou. :) <font color="Black">Ryan <font color="CornflowerBlue">4314    (talk) 08:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Double standards
I'm unsure what the 'double standards' are that you referred in your edit summary deletion of my last comments. If you think I'm somehow being unfair with you, you could explain it to me. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

re:sinhalese terrorists
''The idea is not to create cats for Sinhala in a tit-for-tat manner, but to remove the demonization of Tamils. Promoting the Sinhalese category only gives more ammo for those trolls who claim people like you and me are ethnic chauvinists and whitewashers of terrorism.Pectoretalk 01:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC) Reason for the creation of this category was that the outcome of the nomination for deletion was inconclusive. Thus, with the fact that a terrorist category for Tamils was going to be kept, it was sensible to balance it out with a terrorist category for Sinhalese. Wiki Raja (talk) 02:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Pagan is a pejorative term.
Pagan is a pejorative term. Freak not one necessary. Thanks for your email though. My point was with a billion Hindus, a few here or there won't make a difference. There is no need to waste energy in proving xxxx was a Hindu or not. Hinduism does not need anybody to give it respectability.

Hinduism is so syncretic that you can be a Hindu and an anything, there are no oxymoron pairs with Hindu. For example you can be a Hindu devotee of Christ.

I do not understand why you accuse me of disparaging my own religion, I haven't but I will not shrink from speaking the truth even if it is not complementary. Yogesh J. Khandke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.16.236 (talk) 14:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hinduism has no fundamentals and so no hersey, you do not have to follow this or that, the dime a dozen swami is an individual example I found on the net, not quoted as an authority, Hindu except for a few years ago wasn't even a self designation.

Hindus cremate/bury, eat beef/abstain from eating beef, are monotheist/polytheists, endogamous/exogamous. There is no kosher or halal. If you are not a "Hindu", it will be difficult to understand, Hinduism does not have a central citadel, a capital city whose fall would signal the fall of Hinduism, this is why it could flourish all these years from the beginning of history to today. It is like Wikipedia there are rules but they are to be broken if the letter goes against the spirit. For a Hindu his faith is his personal business. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 18:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

(George Harrison (an ageing former performing artist), Solomon Bandaranaike (who???) are unknown entities to almost every body (a billion Hindus), Sachin Tendulkar or Amitabh Bacchan are the stars here. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 18:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Another Hindu devotee of Christ. Baba Amte kept talking about Christ as his inspiration. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 18:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

How is one faith better than any other, faith by definition is irrational. Which one is better that God created the earth in 6 days and rained fire and brimstone on Sodom, or that God in a boar (varaha) avatar carried the earth on his nose? It is all nonsense. I claim no scholarship of Hindu or any other scriptures. Most of them are .......... I have not written anything about Hindu and conversion. At least there are enough Hindus around to take the earth to the next Ice Age. Shrinking or otherwise. You have not answered a very important question, what caste does a convert to Hinduism take? Yogesh Khandke (talk) 19:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

<font style="color:#1849B5;background:yellow;">''Hinduism at its core requires an acceptance of a supreme being and some sort of reverence for the Vedas. Therefore it is not as you say, anything under the sun.'' Which betrays your ignorance, Buddha considered an Avatar of Vishnu, denied Veda Pramanya, or the Supreme Authority of the Veda, Buddha also denied the existence of God or any other supreme power. Charvak a Hindu darshan or philosophy is atheist.

Acharya Dharmakirti wrote, in his book Pramanvartik
 * vedpramanyam kasy chiţ kartruvad: snane dharmecch jativadav lep:
 * santaparambh: papahanay cheti dhvastapradnyanam panch lingani jadye


 * Believing that the Ved are standard (holy or divine)
 * Believing in a Creator for the world
 * Bathing in holy waters for gaining punya
 * Having pride (vainity) about one's caste
 * Performing penance to absolve sins
 * Are the five symptoms of having lost ones sanity.

I pass the Harrison Tendulkar card, this is not a game of mine is bigger than yours. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 19:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

For the book check this link Dharmakirti's Pramanavarttika Yogesh Khandke (talk) 19:48, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

2 out of 5 three to go. Yogesh Khandke (talk)



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