User talk:Pectore/A4

Category Saini People
Greetings, could you kindly explain why Saini people category has been emptied out? Did you perceive WP:SYN or some other violation? Thanks--History Sleuth (talk) 02:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Would you also care to explain why you chose to delete the category Saini Soldiers when it had already passed WikiProject_Biography/Military assessment?--History Sleuth (talk) 02:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Pictore...please note that your speedy delete request for the Saini Soldiers category was declined by a third party edtior. Since I did not hear back from you I have reverted all of your good faith edits save the List of Notable Saini people article that you created. If you have difference of opinion, please contact me on my talk page and we can work together using WP:Consensus. Thanks--History Sleuth (talk) 00:49, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk and on Category talk:Saini soldiers.Pectoretalk 05:26, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Read your repsonse. I think your efforts are laudable in a sense and I support it. What do you have feel about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jat and many other simular caste categories? Do you plan to uniformly go after all of them? thanks.--History Sleuth (talk) 20:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Barjinder Singh Hamdard
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 * Please note that I recreated this article as a stub using quality references and satisying WP:Notability. thanks.--History Sleuth (talk) 20:15, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Jat is a caste like any other

 * Yes. I do plan to go after all of the caste categories. I've heard from some that Jat is an ethnicity, so I think that is more of a CFD sort of option. Rajput too is a tad bit complicated, because they are also a huge royal clan (its very complicated because Hindi speaking North India does not have strong ethnic lines). Smaller, more clear cut categories like Kamboj, Iyer, etc are easier to sniff out.Pectoretalk 22:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Jat ethnicity? Thats all hubris. It is a caste like any other. There are two kinds of castes. Occupational caste and ethnic caste. Jat can be classified as both but it is a caste nonetheless in the Indian social system like Mudliyar, Baniya, Khatri, Kayast--History Sleuth (talk) 00:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC)h, etc. If you need references, I can supply them. You can go and look it up on matrimonial sites if you wish as well. Take a look at the following reference and there tonnes of others:

"Yet the same growing awareness of caste can be observed among young Sikhs of the Jat caste, as well as among Hindus and Muslims. Deprecation on the basis of caste can go from the supposedly lower to the higher as easily as vice versa."


 * Source : Contesting culture: discourses of identity in multi-ethnic, London, By Gerd Baumann, pp152 Cambridge University Press, 1996


 * I hope you would go after all the groups uniformly and not selectively make the under represented groups target of your crusade. Thanks.

--History Sleuth (talk) 23:26, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Good work
I wanted to thank you for the good work you did on List of Saini people. It looks good. I was planning to do it for last one year but never got time. --History Sleuth (talk) 00:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Bali Sacrifice
Bali Sacrifice is not obscure at all. It is practiced by millions of Hindu's and is also a part of the Kshatriya tradition of India. It is a part of the Sakta tradition as well (as well as some Shivite traditions). It is in no way obscure. I am reverting your reversion. Thanks--Sikh- History 07:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It is part of Sikh tradition too. Nihang Sikhs perform Jhatka after reciting Chandi Charitar section of Dasam Granth.--


 * Check this out a graphic video shot at Hazur Sahib, one of the most important Sikh shrines.


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G8gUr9fIKc&feature=related

History Sleuth (talk) 02:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of List of Kambojas
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Harbhajan Singh Yogi
Do you have some time to look at this article? It's a crapfest, alternating between a hagiography and an attack page with neither of the two active editors (and their socks and off-wiki friends) having any care in life about any WP policy. I spent days trying to clean up and gave up, as did a couple of others I asked. Maybe you might have better luck? cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  04:36, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of Kambojas


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Actually Pectore You Are Wrong, Yet Again!

 * Lists of references with Bali, and Jhatka Bali here Thanks --Sikh- History 08:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The lack of comprehension on your part is astounding. The most reliable source in the 5 you have shown me, terms the two different things. The others all term it Jhatka.Pectoretalk 17:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * My Dear fellow editor, you stated none of my sources actually had Bali mentioned in them. You have just confirmed to me 5 of them have. Thank you for backing me up. Have a good day.--Sikh- History 17:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Merger with Animal sacrifice proposed
Hi Pectore, I have recommened the article Bali (sacrifice) to be merged with Animal sacrifice. The reason is that there is already a general article on the theme to which Hindu and Sikh animal sacrifices can be added as sub topics. I think this new article needlessly duplicates a topic. What is next? Are we going to have separate articles for animal sacrifice in each tradition? There are thousands of creeds which practiced animals sacrifice with various theological inspirations. To dedicate a separate article for each is bit of an overkill, imho. Kindly weigh in with your opinions. Thanks.--History Sleuth

OK So Want To Edit War, I Won't!

 * But please explain to this, Administrator why you are changing his edits. Thanks. Also could you explain where "Indonedia" is. Thanks --Sikh- History 17:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * There are a number of errors in both your statement above, and the article that needed corrections. Yes I made a misspelling, since "s" and "d" are next to each other on a keyboard. Congratulations.

Thank you.Pectoretalk 17:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) The edit is not Dbachmann's edit. The text I changed dates back to a string of edits you made in early august.
 * 2) Administrators do not have special editing power, so I am not beholden to prostrate before him to approve my edits, though since he is knowledgeable about South Asian history and sociology, I do value his input.
 * 3) Not all 3.5 million Balinese practice animal sacrifice. The number of Hindus in Bali does not merit inclusion in the article
 * 4) Rajputs are Kshatriya.
 * 5) Again do not litter my talk page with these inane "warnings". You'll notice that constructive users take the time to say what they need to in a reasoned manner.
 * Oh yes I forgot comments like "Bollocks" and "The lack of comprehension on your part is astounding", are very constructive. Best Wishes--Sikh- History 17:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Stop making Filthy comments on co editors
Stop making POV comments on co editors. Its strictly aginst the wikipedia policy which i have referred there to add honorifics. Saint and Swami are allowed when th person will not be known if called without that prefix. but STOP INSTIGATING RELIGION BASED WAR in WIKIPEDIA. This is not the forum for people like YOU who make such comments. Wasifwasif (talk) 15:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)