User talk:Pedro/Archive 24

User:Pedro/Admin Coaching Kimu
Just a quick check: How am I doing?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  21:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I shall review for you! Pedro : Chat  07:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Pedro : Chat  08:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Instead of blanking...
Would you be so kind as to preserve the subpage for my admincoaching, as I would like to refer to it, or possibly link to it in the future. I realize that it's not gone, just replaced by a new student, but it would be for the sake of expedience. Thanks Pedro. : )  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 08:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Pedro/Admin Coaching Wisdom89 my man. Pedro : Chat  10:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I see, thank you!  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 15:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Something wrong with your time
In relation to the snowed RFA for Wolfpawz here It states it was closed at 20:49 and your sig. time next to it is 20:03. Thats a 46 min. diff. Then you look at the page history and all of this was done by you at 21:51. Unless im missing something thats out of whack. By the way there should be a pre-requisite for someone to put themselves up for RFA. What a waste of time that was for all the users who voted. I mean these snowballed users, do they not read the admin page or do they just want to be pain? Thanks  Roadrunnerz45  (talk 2 me) 09:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My fault - thanks for catching it - I can and paste from the last RFA I snowed - naughty boy! I agree that there should be some pre-requisite for RFA. My concern is not that these editors do it to be a pain but that yes, they just don't read the page. My further concern is a failed SNOW'ed RFA may drive away potential great future contributors before they even begin. I'd personally like to see a fairly big notice that says "If you have less than 1,000 edits and/or less than six weeks tenure please understand that it is exceptionaly unlikely your RFA will pass and you would be advised against requesting adminship in this instance". However this has been discussed time and again at WT:RFA and no consensus has been found for any mimnimum requirements or indeed any big banner advising editors about SNOW precedent RFA's. So alas we continue. I try my best, when commenting on or closing SNOW RRFA's to be gentle and encouraging, which is all we can really do. Pedro : Chat  10:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm starting to have enough
In light of this comment and this comment I'm becoming beyond irked.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 17:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My friend - one word of advice then. Don't. Trust me. Pedro : Chat  20:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just saw this. While I agree Wisdom, that those two "comments" that you've linked are over the top and unnecessary, I agree already with Pedro (no matter what he types next).  Don't. RFA sucks. Being an admin sucks. (I can only say, as noncondescending as possible, it really does suck).  You don't.   Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  20:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok I won't : ). I just can't believe the aftereffects still crop up from the RfA. I left a note on both their talk pages informing them that I took exception (firm but cordial). I'll leave it at that.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined  /  C ) 20:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The right choice (as if I expected anything less). Onwards and upwards. (and I'll reiterate, those two comments that you linked were ass.   Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  22:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:Ignore personal attacks, Wisdom. Especially that second one...I don't expect much better from that editor, though. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Your block of
Hello!

I don't believe I've ever spoken to you directly but, since you are one of the more prominent administrators on this project, I've seen your work and your comments many places and I have come to really respect your judgement.

I did want to ask you a question about the above named user whom you blocked for 31 hours. I wanted to ask you whether you think that a longer block (let's not kid ourselves, by longer I mean indef) maybe should be applied. I ask because of the fact that the account was created today and all of the 20+ edits coming from them were non-constructive including this personal attack on an editor. I sort of came to a conclusion that this account was created solely for the purposes of having some fun at Wikipedia's expense (or, as we like to call it, vandalism). I sincerely doubt that he will come back from this block and contribute anything of value to our project.

Anyways, I just wanted your opinion because I noticed that WP:AIV was somewhat backlogged and I didn't know if you had a chance to look at the full spectrum of the damage the editor caused before you gave him the 31 hour block.

Thanks for your time and, please, forgive me if I'm distracting you from doing something more important by reading my overly long diatribes :)

Peace! SWik78 (talk • contribs) 13:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * A couple of days ago I'd have indeffed. But there is some discussion (see An) at present that perhaps these indef. blocks are not so hot. My current policy is to block for a while to stop the vandalism, and then watchlist the user talk page. If they go again then it will be an indef. block. I suspect that a lot of these accounts will never be used again anyway. The user won't read the notice in full and will just create a new account after the autoblock clears. And please, feel free to bother me anytime!!! No editor's enquiries or comments are ever less important than anything else - administrators are here to perform what the community asks them to, and part of that is to explain their actions as well. I hope that helps. Pedro : Chat  13:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply and thanks for the heads up about that discussion. I've now watchlisted it.
 * Peace! SWik78 (talk • contribs) 14:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Ok fair enough. I am sorry for vandalising, and I want to become a good contributer but everyday i wake up and see barneca is continuing to blank me because he is so stubborn and it makes me really sad and angry. I explained to him I have ADHD and if he would just speak to me I would leave him and the project alone but he refuses to speak. If i was normal i could probably let this drop but my brain is such a way that i cant get this thing out of my head. I also should be revising for my GSCE exams which are very soon and barneca could help me by putting an end to this mental torture but he is relishing it i think that's why he doesnt want to end it. It is making me very upset indeed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.129.43 (talk) 14:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have interacted with Barneca on Wikipedia for (I would guess) about a year now. As far as it is possible to know someone in this medium I think I know him reasonably well. I'll tell you straight - he's a great editor and a great administrator. I'll guarantee he's not "relishing" anything. My advice? Just never edit his page again. Then you don't have to worry about it! Focus on your GCSE's (trust me, I nearly failed mine !!) and just let this drop. It won't help you to carry it on. Just move along - you'll feel better for it. Best Wishes. Pedro : Chat  14:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

comment
More a sleep-deprived way a saying I agree. Cheers, 15:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlohcierekim (talk • contribs)
 * Man - and you can't even type four tildes any more :) Cheers dude, but get some rest already! Pedro : Chat  15:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

User:212.44.58.134
Hi Pedro. Can you block this IP for longer than a week, it's a school IP (the school I go to in fact). I'd block it for six months at least. Just letting 'ya know. D.M.N. (talk) 15:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * With school blocks they're allways incremental (just like other IP's). This is the first block given. This IP resolves to a telecoms company so I can't be sure at the moment it is a school, although I take your word for it. I'll monitor the IP contributions and if we see a repeat then I or someone else will block for longer. Sorry, hope that's okay. Pedro : Chat  19:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Lady Aleena's RfA

 * Pedro...There is no reason for me to be uncivil to you for your reservations about my ability to use the tools for which I was nominated. As Keegan said in the nomination, it is no big deal. Hope your day is going well. - LA @ 13:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Response
Ping. :) -- Avi (talk) 07:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Raj ..
Hi, can you please tell me why you deleted my article on LimeExchage (with a reason of adv). I have noticed many other articles example Pigin, LinkedIn .. and etc.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajshpec (talk • contribs) 07:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, i read ur reponse, can u pls create one in sandbox and i will edit it appropriately so that it dont look like a adv ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajshpec (talk • contribs) 08:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I m working on it to make it more like informative rather then adv, will get back to you for approval once i am done. thanks !!

Hi, pls delete the sandbox page. Will write a new one later, thanks !! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajshpec (talk • contribs) 13:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

RE:Ninni Morgia
Haha, don't worry I never take offense on-wiki. And yes, the reason I didn't delete it myself was I wanted a second opinion, as I was on the ropes myself, thus I just tagged it. And you are correct in assuming I know how to nominate an article for AFD =D (i hope so after a year here :) Don't worry your fine with not noticing, I did it before with another admin. Thanks for the opinion and I shall nominate it in a sec.  « Gonzo fan2007  (talk ♦ contribs) @   08:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hah, well we do have WP:BITED, maybe we need to have Don't bite the admins ;-) Haha and don't worry about it, I told someone to come and ask me for protection if some vandalism increased, and they came back to tell me not to worry that they would protect it themselves :) hah, well thanks for the opinion again. Cheers,   « Gonzo fan2007  (talk ♦ contribs) @   08:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No fair, admins are the tastiest! :( dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 12:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A very convincing argument DM... :)  « Gonzo fan2007  (talk ♦ contribs) @   23:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Edits
sorry to mess around on anothers comment but i dont really know what im doing, i only joined this morning.

hi, i was just wondering why a post i made this morning (carl houston) was deleted? i was merely trying to get him more out in the open, b being the hideousl;y underrated guitarist he is, in a hope to boost his album sales here in bristol. it was an educational yet humourous post which you cannot deny grabs peoples interest! i dint think there was anything wrong with doing this kind of thing but obviously there is

hope to hear from you again about this matter

yours

stukins —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stukins (talk • contribs) 10:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll investiagte - please give me a moment Pedro : Chat  10:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

what do you recommend i should do to keep this post informative yet witty, without it being seen as nonsense or death threats? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stukins (talk • contribs) 10:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC) i have made another carl houston post, was wondering if youd mind checking it out?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stukins (talk • contribs) 11:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

82.45.126.198, etc.
OK, I don't get how this is supposed to work. This guy was warned FIVE TIMES and still posted vandalism today. He just happens not to have done anything since I posted the SIXTH warning an hour later. How many "final warnings" does he get? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't especially agree with your reasoning, but you be da boss. One other thing: I gather there's some sort of "hierarchy" of warnings, but I'm not sure what it is or where it's to be found... or does it even matter very much? That is, if he gets one warning and just keeps going on and on, how many more warnings does he get? And what icons are to be used for each level of warning, or does that matter either? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. You might have noticed I've been crafting my own versions of warnings simply because I think the standard "early" warnings are too wordy and overly polite. Vandals know what they're doing and would just laugh at such stuff. The no-nonsense approach is better, to me. And I don't report a guy or even warn a guy who makes just a single stupid change. I look for patterns of behavior and act accordingly. I used to take this stuff straight to a particular admin, but he has scaled back his activities and he advised me to start using the noticeboard, which is what I've been doing when a user won't stop. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:18, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My limited experience with the vandalism noticeboard (just 2 items so far, I think) indicates that response is usually pretty fast, as the admin suggested it would be. So, are you in España? Perhaps your legal sock could be Medias de Pedro or some such. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And the guy that tried to vandalize this got zapped without my having to do anything. Many eyes were upon him already. OK, when I hear "Pedro", I might think of the baseball pitcher Pedro Martinez or some other hispanic ballplayer, but I'm just as apt to think of a character used by the late puppeteer Señor Wences. Probably way before your time and probably not on British TV in any case. Yet vaguely apropos here somehow, if viewed a certain way. I'll tell you more about Pedro if you're interested. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Señor Wences used to appear on the Ed Sullivan show frequently, in the 1960s/1970s. He always had pretty much the same act. He was a ventriloquist of sorts. Part of the act was that he would paint a face on his right hand, put a little wig on it, and perch it atop a little body, presumably a young boy. That character was called Johnny, or "Zhonny" as the heavily-accented Wences called him, and spoke in a falsetto voice. The other character, Pedro, was a head in a box that Wences would work from behind, with his left hand, to make Pedro's mouth move. Pedro spoke in a deep voice. The recurring theme was that whatever was going on, Wences would frequently ask if everything was all right, and the characters would respond that it was indeed all right. Specifically, Wences would say, "'S'all right, Zhonny?". "'S'all right!" "'S'all right, Pedro?" He would open the box, and Pedro would say, "'S'all right! Close the box!" and Wences would close the box. Wences would bounce back and forth between these two in rapid succession. That all probably doesn't sound very funny. You had to be there. I would bet there's an example somewhere on youtube. Anyway, I'm conjuring a metaphor between "'S'all right! Close the box!" and your actions as an admin in dealing with vandalism cases. (A right brain is a terrible thing to waste, isn't it?) :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What I described was kind of the stereotype of Wences' act. For a practical example, here's one youtube item that will give you some idea of what his act was like. I think Pedro only says "'S'all right" once, but you'll get the general idea. He was very clever, I say. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There are a few other examples on there, some of which are variants on the same thing. He was actually quite a good ventriloquist. I think he lived to be 100 or so. Notice in the clips where Sullivan introduces him, he keeps calling him "Señor Wenches" (a typical kind of Sullivan gaffe), while Señor Wences himself, being from Spain, pronounces it "Wenthes". OK, enough of this. Work beckons. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeh, the folks at my workplace block youtube also. I guess they want us to be working or something. Luckily I have both a home and work PC here right now. On the 4 clips, which are actually variants of 2 acts, there are a few "'S'all right"s in there, and one "close the door". TV from the 60s. There's also a brief clip from the Muppet Show, which would be the 80s. I think he was highly regarded. I'm not trying to oversell. This is just nostalgia talking. :) 'S'all right. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He died 3 days after his 103rd birthday. I shudder to think what his last words were. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
Hi there i was wondering how many edits you have to have in order to have the rollback feature? Computermadgeek (talk) 15:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi there, thanks for being very welcoming to me. Ok i will do some editing and get used to it before I ask for access. I dont want to be jumping in the deep end before I know what I am to do. Anyway many thanks for getting back to me Computermadgeek (talk) 16:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Roll-a-back
There has been an allegation of misusing rollback features against me, and my rollback right was retracted. The complain was made by User:NAHID, and I have reasons to belive that it was not made in good faith (I hope you remember him). I have provided a clarfication here. Please, take a look. Aditya (talk • contribs) 20:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In other news, I'm totally going to start calling it "rollaback". Tan   |   39  20:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to be confused with Rolodex. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c)Without even looking at the dispute, I would say that Aditya, who I've worked with in the past to get an article to GA, is a consciencious user, with only the best in mind for Wikipedia. Whatever my opinion is worth (again, I haven't looked at the dispute), I will without hesitation vouch for the sincerety of Aditya.  Cheers Pedro.   Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  20:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for other input. Rollback was used (as per the diffs at ANI) for reasons other than clear vandalism. I think this was a bad use of the tool. However, I am not sure it should have been removed so quickly either, or at least without some proper "warning" or, a better word, instruction. I'm afraid I'm about to go off-line, and my apologies for this. Briefly, I would not personally reinstate (right at this moment) as this could be seen as a wheel war. However this is without prejudice to reinstatement soon. However I would encourage you to go to the admin who removed the right and discuss. Again, sorry I can't help further at this time but RL wife issues are rather pressing. As a quick note I will support any admin actions in this instance by Keeper (sorry to bung this on you Keeps!). Pedro : Chat  21:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you people. I have already informed the admin who retracted the right. I really hope this ends in a positive way. Aditya (talk • contribs) 21:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have clarified my position some more at Incident Board. Could you please take a look? Progress seems to be slightly stalled there. Aditya (talk • contribs) 05:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

This discussion raises my consciousness a bit about the use of rollback. It's too easy to use, and I may have used it for some things other than blatant vandalism, just out of laziness, though generally not, and certainly not in an edit-war situation... but I'll focus on narrowing its use further so I don't run the risk of damaging the faith you showed in me by giving me that authority. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 05:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Rifleman has indicated that he is not opposed to the restoration of the right, providing you understand why it was removed, and what the tool is for. . Aditya Kabir, can you please elaborate below on your understanding and make a commitment that the tool will only be used as per guideline? Pedro : Chat  07:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I did expand on my understanding. One thing to note: WP:ROLLBACK is hardly explicit on this. Responding to Baseball Bugs' concern, I would like to request a slight revisit of the instructions there. I believe, it will be difficult to read up the massive discussion that preceded the rollback consensus to avoid misunderstanding (currently that is the only way to find in advance the true objective of rollback rights). Thanks. Aditya (talk • contribs) 07:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems pretty clear on when to use it or not use it. What I found intimidating at first was the instructions. It's easy as pie to use, but that was not clear to me at first. I found the instructions much more confusing than when to use it. Basically it's for stupid stuff - random gibberish, obscenities, obvious trolling, fixing after a vandal has been blocked, etc. Where I've occasionally skirted the line is when someone writes something that might be well-intended but is a combination of poor grammar and lack of citation or otherwise dubious "fact" that inhibits me from simply correcting the grammar. That's where I need to say what the issue is instead of just clobbering it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 08:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Then we need to fix the instruction pages, or make the salient points more strong! I shall try and review. Pedro : Chat  08:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's actually not that bad. It has room for improvement, though. Maybe if there was an illustration. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 08:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's an example of something I just now rolled back. Just a smart-aleck comment by a red-link who's not likely to come back. And if he does, I'll take him to the vandalism page. Which I might have to, given that he's already been warned.  Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 08:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've given him one more warning. Can I get points for some creativity? :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * :) Heh. But yes, that's exactly when the tool should be used. Pedro : Chat  09:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I turned him in. Nothing but vandalism from day one, but no complaints filed until recently, just quiet reversions. It's better to post a warning on the talk page, providing a track record. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The sword of retribution is swift and sure. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (reduced indent) A note of thanks first, for reinstating the rollback right. Rollbacks are not as important as integrity, which was under question. I was really hurt to find how fast and easily bad faith was assumed (and the complain did not even come from the supposedly aggrieved party, shows a lot about his integrity). Anyways, the road to the misunderstanding was (1) "a fast method of undoing nonproductive edits" (WP:ROLLBACK); (2) "Edit warring is an unproductive behavior" (WP:EDITWAR); (3) "Edit warring is the confrontational use of edits to win a content dispute" (WP:EDITWAR); and (4) "Whether the change or addition to the page is reverted, or modified or not, any refinements or objections can be discussed with other editors." (WP:CON. This is exactly what I was doing (I hope I am not cherry picking). I'd say there is a need to make the definition of rollback tighter. Currently is can lead to vagueness when used in conjunction with other policies and guidelines (I believe I am right in using th term vagueness, as apparently one mistake in understanding leads to retraction of the right). Tight-rope walking can be done only on tight-ropes. Thanks again. Cheers. Aditya (talk • contribs) 09:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

RE User Page Comment
Thankfully I'm OK now. (Basically I woke up in hospital on Monday morning after an unfortunate incident involving alcohol. Hopefully it won't happen again). Thanks for the message. WaltonOne 09:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm sure it'll never happen again ;) Seriously, glad you're better matey. Pedro : Chat  09:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Mentorship
hi there i was wondering if you would be able to help me become a good editor on wikipedia by mentoring me and helping me in certain areas like becoming an admin. I am already an admin on many sites for obvious reasons as I have very high skills of computer programming and also very high skills of finding out who has logged what on the website. Was wondering if you could help me out or not? Computermadgeek (talk) 09:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hiya. I'd be happy to adopt you. A few things. Firstly, you don't seem inexperienced - very few users start updating their monbook on their third edit - have you edited before? Secondly, don't just go for adminship fo rthe sake of being an admin - it really isn't what it's about, and I guarantee that having admin rights is nothing special at all. Thirdly, by and large editing Wikipedia (and certainly the sysop role) is very little to do with computer skills. Yes, some knowledge of wiki markup, but in general the mediawiki software is geared towards having very little technical ability - as an example you say that you have " very high skills of finding out who has logged what on the website" - so does everyone on a wiki! It's in the revision history of any page! Having rambled on, yes I'd be delighted to help you out whenever you need it - just hit me up on my talk page. I normally edit 07:00 - 16:00 UTC but am less active at the weekends. Pedro : Chat  09:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * ok thanks for the offer. I have seen my friends editing their monobooks at the university and thought that I would give it a go. Do you think that I could apply for this AWB which my friend currently has bu because I dont have 500 mainspace edits at the moment but hope to have soon do you think I have a chance of getting it? Also I have put the adopt me tag on my userpage so I await your adoption. Yes I know that it is in every page of wiki I am just saying that I am capaable of performing checks without being a checkuser I dont need the software I can do it without as that is what I am doing at university. It is part of my computer forensics course anyway will you get back to me Re: the adoption and the AWB Computermadgeek (talk) 10:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed the user box. The guidelines for AWB are fairly rigid, historically. Give it 4 weeks and 500 edits and it should be fine. Because of the possible damage AWB can cause it's not given out without some experience and tenure. Now, of course, you've piqued my interest even more. My understanding in only checkusers can look at the underlying IP behind any wikipedia editor? Pedro :  Chat  10:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a piece of software that I have written that enables me to look it up. I know i shouldnt really blag about it but it is a really good piece of software. I dont know who or where to release it to as it doesnt have a copyright on it yet as that is pending. I would be willing to release it to the checkusers and any trusted developers on the site as for obious reasons could cause a lot of damage. Do you know who i should point this idea towards? Computermadgeek (talk) 10:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * These guys love the technical talk! Pedro : Chat  11:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. One other thing do you think that you could also mentor me to become an admin? I always fancy the idea of being an admin as I believe that I am good at that sort of thing and have the qualities to become one. I have posted a new comment at the Village Pump and hope to hear from them soon. Computermadgeek (talk)
 * Okay, a question - What sort of qualities do you believe make a good admin? Pedro : Chat  11:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

There are several things that I think that I am able to do because I have done it before:

1 Deleting a page 2 Deleting an image 3 Undeleting a page 4 Merging page histories 5 Performing requested moves 6 Protecting or unprotecting a page 7 Editing a protected page 8 Protecting a non-existent page 9 Protecting or unprotecting an image 10 Editing the interface 11 Block a user or IP    12 Blocking a range of IPs 13 Unblock a user, IP or range 14 Dealing with abusive editors I am very good at dealing with people who like to cause conflicts within things. I have a very neutral point of view so I think that I would be a great admin. DO you think that you can help me get the sysop rights now? Also thanks for the advice on my talkpage. Would have got back sooner but was having some lunch. Computermadgeek (talk) 12:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You may want to peruse WP:RFA and WP:ADMIN. You have to bear in mind that on en.wikipedia RFA is, well, brutal. Bluntly to even think about having a chance of passing you'd need at least 3,500 edits (and probably more) and at least three months tenure (and probably more). In addition what you detail above are project related. Remember we are here to write an encyclopedia. Without the basic (and prooven) skills to actually write or develop an article then there is almost no chance of being an admin. Also, stated declerations of editing for the sake of adminship are a very, very bad idea - and ultimately if you invest that much time and effort simply getting admin buttons you'll find them a poor reward! Thoughts? Pedro : Chat  12:15, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you possible take me on as a trainee admin i have found a few admins that are open to recall do you think that I could do that or not? Sorry for the slow response was talking to Nancy. Computermadgeek (talk) 12:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Admins open to recall is not a process to give people a try out and then remove the bit if they cause a problem. It's a voluntary system some admins place themselves into. You need to understand there is no such thing as a "trainee admin". Admin coaching is for users who already have substantial edits, tenure, policy and procedural knowledge, and sometimes have undergone a failed RFA. Coaching is to "round off" skills and identify weaknesses. But it is for established editors. As a new editor you need to "walk before you can run" :) . Myself as a case in point. I was here for about 10 months before my first RFA, which failed. My second RFA was after 14 months of editing and around 5,500 edits. This included creating three new articles that were featured in WP:DYK on the main page, loads of copy editing and minor tweaks ot articles, substantial Recent Change patroling reverting vandalism and reporting users, immersing myself in no end of deletion debates and policy and guideline commentary etc etc etc. And I didn't even know much about adminship until I'd been editing for three months or so!!! Just relax and enjoy wikipedia, and to be honest don't get hung up on being an admin at the moment. Seriously. Pedro :  Chat  13:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Anyone who seeks the job of adminship should be put on "probation" their first month or two or three, and spend time doing nothing but dealing with the drudgery that admins have to deal with but without being allowed to do normal editing. I am automatically suspicious of those who seek adminship, as I fear they might want the power but not the responsibility. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It would also be instructive, if this is not being done already, as a cautionary note, to show a prospective admin some cases where admins were stripped of their authorities, i.e. to warn the prospective admin of "what not to do" in that job. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Jarvis, sometimes you have to run before you can walk. Sorry, I just had to do that :), so please don't take it seriously. BTW, you might want to accept Pedro's adoption offer before you try for admin coaching.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  13:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

After all this, the user who raised this question was just blocked indefinitely for disruption. Yet here we all were talking to him like he was serious, including a good-faith response I gave to what I thought was a good-faith question on my talk page. Yet some editors charge that I don't follow the WP:AGF guideline. 0:) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The guy turns out to be a sockpuppet of a currently-suspended user. Dealing with that kind of nonsense is just one reason I would not run for admin if nominated, and if elected I would not serve. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It was clearly a problem account from the start. User:Nancy and I discussed via e-mail (not to keep it hidden but per WP:DFTT). Sometimes you need to give them enough rope as it were, and also one still has to WP:AGF and not scare of a good faith editor. It's a tricky line. And yes, it is part of adminship - but it's worth it to keep Wikipedpia clean for our readership. Pedro : Chat  14:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Your approach in this case was exactly right. You don't want to be talking about someone in front of them. E-mail is the right way. I've had behind-the-scenes discussion like that also, regarding some past sockpuppets. You don't want to "give away the game" to a ba duser, and if you turn out to be wrong about him being a bad user, there's been no harm done by investigating behind the scenes. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

ANI Discussion
Hey there, got your message. Thanks. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 10:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

May be something, may be nothing
Pedro, noticed your mentoring conversation above and the similarity of style and statements with this (currently blocked ) user struck me as startling. Quite possibly a huge coincidence but thought a heads up might be useful. Kind regards, nancy  (talk) 12:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Ping
Replied thanks to the wonders of logmein. nancy (talk) 12:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the message on my talkpage. I dont see why this is such a problem? I am only stating that I have found a problem in the servers. Is that a blockable offence? Computermadgeek (talk) 13:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Question
Question: I am the author of an upcoming webcomic (the title of which is on my blog), and was wondering if I could put that on my userpage. Would that go against policy?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  19:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As you are an established editor, there has historically been a fair degree of permisiveness / freedom in what is acceptable on a user page. A single link to a blog or other site you have an interest in would seem in keeping with this. Pedro : Chat  19:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * NO WAY. Well, okay. Tan   |   39  19:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  00:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Template:Municipal districts and cadastral areas of Prague
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Template:Municipal districts and cadastral areas of Prague. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Mwalcoff (talk) 21:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Never mind. I see now the page was moved. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This was a G7 - I'm not clear how there can be any DRV - the author can just re-create. Pedro : Chat  21:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm very confused, because I know I wrote that template. Well, it's OK, because it's just been renamed, not deleted. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project
Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 06:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Already done sir - a potentially useful list, my thanks! Pedro : Chat  08:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your valuable contribution in moving the Mayfield Park, Southampton problem forward. Too many people were shrugging their shoulders, not rectifying their mistakes, indicating that it wasn't their problem, that they weren't interested or that I should follow such and such a procedure. I never have much patience with that sort of attitude. So I'm pleased you popped up and took some responsibility to help get what was a really quite a simple issue sorted out. That's good customer service and good administration. Thanks again.

I hope the bigger issue of over-zealous deleting of new pages can be looked at and resolved, it is mightily frustrating and very de-motivating. Yes I am from Hampshire. I was amazed that there was nothing about the Woolston ferry on Wikipedia, so I started that page and inevitably all sorts of other things dropped out of it. I've discovered quite a lot in the process, so its been rewarding from that point of view too. I certainly didn't expect to find myself looking at the page on cannibalism when I started writing about the Woolston ferry.

I hope to get some photo's on the pages I've been working on soon, when the weather is nice enough to get out and about to take them.

I am also hoping that some of the local history societies in this area will get involved in further extending some of the pages that I've started. Now that I've created them, I hope they will find them on Wikipedia and will want to add to them. I'll try to draw it to their attention. Hethurs (talk) 22:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on user talk. Pedro : Chat  08:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Yo
User_talk:Kakofonous - thoughts on my rant?

Also, loved that link you showed me...seems I'm popular! :D dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh - nice reply at that link - I honestly first read it as MFD nit RFB - :)!! Anyhow, good rant. Good candidate as well, got my support Pedro : Chat  08:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So can I MFD you? :) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Another question
What is your opinion of this?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  05:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A potentially excellent list, however very high maintenance. If bots can generate significant parts of it, and if editors implicitly select to be on it (due to privacy issues), then I can see benefits. I personally note my active editing times on mt userpage, but I imagine few people look there. Pedro : Chat  08:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So you dont think that it'll conflict with the help desk?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  14:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's really no different than WP:EA, except more organized with greater facilitation.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 15:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed. WP:HELPDESK is a 24/7 thing for general questions, often asked by very, very new editors. I see this as a complement to the helpdesk, when newer editors seek advice from some with, perhaps, a greater degree of direct interaction. I can see faults with this list, but I also see no reason not to try it out. Pedro : Chat  16:40, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the help!  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  19:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
Thanks for granting me rollback! I also heard you do admin coaching. Do you have any openings for that? - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 13:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi DT - I'm about to go off-line, but will respond Monday / Tuesday. Apologies I can't be quicker. Pedro : Chat  13:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Admin coaching
Hello Pedro, I was recommended to you by User:RyRy5. Would you perhaps like to be my admin coach? Editorofthewikireview my edits here! 00:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll respond later today or tommorow - apologies for my time constraints at this moment. Pedro : Chat  11:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Possible support
A helpful user has asked me to support him/her in the desire to get a bot going that will chop down super-long file names for images. I think |this will give you the idea. Do you think this is a good idea? I've occasionally run across this problem and it makes the edit summaries hellish to manipulate. I did think this is a good idea, unless you can think of a reason against it? Accounting4Taste: talk 00:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look when I can my friend. Pedro : Chat  11:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Adminship
Thanks for your comments! I'll happily accept your nominations. Admin coaching was just because I wasn't sure about running really, in case it was snowball-closed or just in case anyone had an issue with anything I've participated in. But, aah, looking forward to a good Bank Holiday all the same! Thanks! PeterSymonds | talk  03:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words! PeterSymonds | talk  11:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I, PeterSymonds, hereby present Pedro with the honorary latest nominator v. support position prize, hereby excluding all nominators who henceforth join the said discussion. :) PeterSymonds | talk  20:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Pure class! Pedro : Chat  22:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Heh, it sure was! Thank goodness for two of the best policies Wikipedia has to offer: WP:PEDRO and WP:BALLOONMAN. :) PeterSymonds | talk  19:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Walt Disney
What do you make of this? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 06:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll have to review the context for you. Leave it with me. Pedro : Chat  11:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

BIG FAT NOTICE

 * Excellent thoughts Pedro. Plonk-free I presume :-).  I would be honored to be an "admin mentor" under this system.  Let me know if/when you have a system running that could further enhance admin coaching/adoption, et al.   Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  20:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting proposal. I'm not sure if I'll submit myself for mentorship, given that you already are my admin mentor, and..well..the coaching hurt my last RfA. I'll surely offer helpful comments though.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 20:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed Wisdom. I believe "caoching" has a pejorative effect at RfA in the current climate - something I'm keen to move away from. To spend effort working with a candidate only to see it come to nothing because of issues with the process (or indeed just the name of the process) means it's time to change that process. The end goal is still the same - cpabale candidates requesting admin tools and receiving them. Pedro : Chat  21:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Having received the benefit of your -- well, let's call it "oversight" -- in what I perceive to be the fashion outlined above, where I was not taught how to be an admin but how to be a GOOD admin -- if there's something I can do to help, let me know. I'm not saying I'm a good admin, but I'm better than I would have been without your oversight, and I'm betting others would be too.  Accounting4Taste: talk 21:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice idea. I've found that, as someone currently being coached by you, I rarely have enough to talk about on a regular basis, you may have noticed ;) so in that sense I think it's a better idea to have a place where I could regularly go for feedback, not just from one person but from many, perhaps. Regards,  CycloneNimrod Talk? 21:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Well done for grasping the nettle and addressing the issue that many, including me, have been critical of in the past; coaching to pass RfA vs. coaching to be a good admin. I hope it goes well. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I still feel strongly that a lot of the disdain stems from the name itself, which is misleading. It more or less reads "Coaching for Requests for Administrator". Mentoring is just a tempering of what many consider to be a misnomer, a misnomer that has given candidates a heap of trouble lately.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 07:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'm also particularly keen, as noted for example by Malleus, to move well away from "coaching for RfA" as opposed to the actuall task of being an administrator. I need to do some work on how this works with Admin coaching, WP:ER and WP:ADOPT. My initial thoughts are - adoption is for much newer editors, and unrelated. Editor Review is a one-off hit - I really don't want the proposed page to be a one off review - more an ongoing thing. And Admin coaching as it stands seems to be okay for those who want it - there are no doubt editors who prefer one-on-one coaching, and no doubt editors/admins who prefer to coach in that environment.  I was thinking about making this quite clear at the top of the page e.g;

I've also got some concerns that I don't want this to become a clique. And I've got some thoughts on how many participants at one time (e.g. 20 odd editors receiving mentoring is going to become unweildy - however I do not want a load of bureaucracy surrounding this process) I think editors asking for mentorship must be made aware participation is no guarantee whatsoever of a nomination or even a support at RFA. Initial ideas, but I've slept on this and I believe it will work (not for everybody, but that's fine - we don't do one size fits all). Pedro : Chat  07:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "If you're here for one-on-one coaching please see Admin coaching"
 * "If you are here for a review of your edits please see WP:ER"
 * "If you have no intention or desire to become an administrator please feel free to assist others on this page if you can. However please do not list yourself as requiring mentoring. If you have a query or concern that you need input on from another editor see the box at the top of WP:HELPDESK. If you require specific administrative action please see the box at the the top of WP:ANI" althought that's crap phrasing, but I hope you see where I'm going
 * "Please note this is a mentoring process for established editors to help prepare them for the duties and expectations of an administrator role. It is explicitly not a coaching programme to pass RfA"

Kudos. Did you ever ready my essay on coaching? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you give me the link? Pedro : Chat  10:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Dihydrogen Monoxide/On admin coaching. Started an uber discussion at WT:RFA about a week back. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with both Pedro and DHMO. If it's suggested to all admin hopefuls, and then they are punished at the end for all of the effort, what's the point?   weburiedoursecrets  inthegarden  19:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Feedback on the essay, Pedro? (If you have time. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully I can work on creating the page today - apologies that it's not been sooner but RL issues have prevented me from being active over the last couple of days. Pedro : Chat  06:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * First Draft at User:Pedro/Mentoring. Please discuss on that pages talk page. I'm struggling to convey my above thoughts - that anyone trying to use it to gain adminship for it's own sake are, basically and bluntly, in the wrong place. Please feel free to tinker. Pedro : Chat  08:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As someone whose done ACing because its the only game in town, I like this idea as a positive development.  MBisanz  talk 08:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to congratulate you on your initiative here in starting this off. It deserves serious attention and support (because I think it could become very successful and useful for wikipedia as a whole.) I'd like to contribute as much as I am able. DDStretch  (talk)  08:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Hopefully it'll work. In my mind I can see lots of good - I can also see some pitfalls so we'll need to work hard to avoid them. Pedro : Chat  09:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Rollback help
I asked for Rollback because I thought I could roll back all recent edits by a particular user across multiple pages. For example, if UPUser 1.2.3.4 vandalized 5 different articles, once I'd verified all his edits were simple vandalism I could revert them in one fell swoop. I've tried with my own user page and user talk page and can't figure out how to do it: The best I can do is one rollback per article per user. That's great if the user made 5 consecutive edits to an article but much easier than UNDO if he made 1 edit each to 5 different articles. Am I missing something or do I really need to click "rollback" once per article? davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  21:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. Perhaps a future version will allow admins to "undo all undoable edits by a particular editor between time X and time Y" or "... since time X."  I'm not sure I'd trust anyone who couldn't pass an RfA with that kind of power though.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  22:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Input (again)
Your input is requested here once more.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  01:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * RC, I'm going to give my input here this time. I've given my "opinion" on that section heading, and I feel that wading in again may just inflame a situation with "here comes the big bad admin" rather than positive debate. There seems to be enough issues with borderline breaches of WP:CIVIL as it is. I still have the page watchlisted. In terms of your input there I am particularly impressed. You're making sound arguments based on procedure and policy, and keeping WP:COOL when others aren't. All power to you for that. As noted, it's watchlisted and if I have to intervene with the janitor cap on I will, but at present I just don't believe I can add real value to the debate beyond my comments a couple of weeks ago. Pedro : Chat  07:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've found this article, and it states what I was trying to prove in the first place. BTW, thanks for the input.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  16:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, Filll keeps avoiding my request for his sources. Any suggestions?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  00:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears to be obvious that he's not going to reply with his sources. Is it OK if I go ahead and chage the header?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  20:04, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
The admin that decided that he would remove it didnt give me a chance to explain he just said dont revert articles that have been reverted by admins. I supposedly removed the "citation needed" or fact tag added from pages. Which I wasn't aware of. I think that it is totally unfair that he removed it just for 2 wrong reverts. Christopher140691 (talk) 19:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I will reply in a moment. RL issues!! Pedro : Chat  19:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok then Pedro will do. Christopher140691 (talk) 19:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No I fully understand and don't want to get on the wrong side of the admins. So I take your advice and will re-apply for it in a months time. Can you tell me a bit more about AWB because I am really confused as to what it actually does. No one that I have asked seems to be able to tell me about it. Christopher140691 (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback
I'm doing my best to absorb it all, e.g. I've tagged my userpage essays. Thank you for taking the time to evaluate my contributions. S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 21:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome. Pedro : Chat  22:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Here it is
Now people should be more aware of using this feature.--NAHID 12:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Help me
Hi Pedro sorry to bother you but I have responded to User:Neutral777 request for help. his/her userpage doesnt exist but they have a discussion page. I was wondering as you are an admin if you could take a look at it for me as he is complaining about his username block and the admin's and how they got involved in it when they shouldnt have. It is a complete mess and have given him/her the link to the complaints page but was wondering if you could explain to him from your point of view as an admin. Christopher140691 (talk) 13:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Real Quick Question
Should I take this to the Requests for mediation, Requests for comment, or Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents? Or all three?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  00:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't take it to a number of places at once - that's fourm shopping and fround upon, as well as diluting input. If you've got problems with a specific editor try Dispute resolution. Otherwise you might need a RFC, but of course if it's overall still content related then the talk page is allways best. Pedro : Chat  06:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that doesn't seem to be working and has resulted in minor personal attacks and incivility. BTW, I'll look into dispute resolution.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  16:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes,I'm afraid that may be the only way. Keep cool, like you've been doing. I'm impressed. Pedro : Chat  18:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I followed the instructions on the RFC page. Did I do anything wrong?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  19:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I think I did something wrong with the RFC, because the bot isn't putting it on the list of discussions? Help?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  16:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Non-Pedro response! I changed some spacing on the section title to match the template an hour and a half ago, but I'm not sure if it made any difference. But your RFC has now been picked up - see  EJF (talk) 17:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I thought I did something wrong.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  19:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My thanks to EJF for thie fix here, and my apologies for failing to respond. Pedro : Chat  19:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
For the rollback! :) Porterjoh (talk) 10:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're Welcome. Pedro : Chat  10:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That was my article that was rolled back and I strongly protest against this. It was not vandalism! It's just taking a while to improve! Katana Geldar 13:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katana Geldar (talk • contribs)
 * I've left a message for Porterjoh. Katana Geldar is absolutely correct here, it was an improper use of rollback.  Sorry for the inconvenience Katana.   Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  18:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings guys Katana Geldar 22:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katana Geldar (talk • contribs)

AWB Approval
Hi Pedro there is a backlog of requests at the AWB approval page can you take a look at it for me. Im also on the page but the backlog needs clearing. Christopher140691 (talk) 11:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll pop on over! Pedro : Chat  11:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking a look. You can then remove the backlog tag that I placed on the page after you have had a look. Christopher140691 (talk) 12:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi and thanks for your approval that allows me to use AWB. :) Solar  -Poseidon   12:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. It's very similar to yours. ;) Solar  -Poseidon   12:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

IPvandal block denial for 205.210.159.33
You reason was "stale". A final warning was delivered on 30 April, 2008, and recent repeat vandalism has occurred on 7 May, 2008. What is stale about that? --ž¥łǿχ (ŧäłķ | čøŋŧřīъ§) 14:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied Pedro :  Chat  15:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for Rollback
Thank you for the approval. I promise to use it wisely -- ₮inucherian  (Talk) - 07:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

kinghobbit
Thank you for the info btw dose wikipedia run at +2 GMT Kinghobbit (talk) 10:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for all your help with my signature! And I couldn't help noticing, special congratulations on all the Barnstars you have!  ACM2 :talk 12:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh if it's not too much trouble would it be possible for you to do that for me? Thanks! (talking about your reply regarding talk page link font) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ACM2 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The COOKIE MONSTER ate the cow


Fattyjwoods Push my button has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Hi just to make sure you’re not too hungry, I would’ve given you milk – but the cow just died and I tried to milk the bull but it kicked me in the face. *sob*. Anyway, enjoy the cookie!! Fattyjwoods Push my button 01:47, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Requesting an Editor Review
Hi, you opposed my last RFA at Requests for adminship/Gary King a few weeks ago. I have decided to open an Editor Review at Editor review/Gary King so I could receive a new assessment for my recent activity on Wikipedia. I would greatly appreciate it if you could take the time to look over my recent contributions and point out areas where I could improve. I would also specifically appreciate that if you have time, please look through my contributions and User Talk archives for anything that might be an issue in general, because I know you are always thorough when reviewing an editor and would genuinely appreciate it if you could spend that time to let me know what I am doing wrong. I plan to be here for the long haul so I might as well keep on improving myself, right? Thanks in advance! Gary  K ing ( talk ) 04:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

re:E-mail
Thanks.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  21:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied. Pedro : Chat  08:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you! I thought it would be closed at 99 when I saw Balloonman's support. Right, off to new admin school. :) PeterSymonds | talk  15:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Rfb participation thanks
Hello, Pedro.

I wanted to personally thank you for taking part in the project-wide discussions regarding my candidacy for bureaucratship. After bureaucratic discussion, the bureaucrats decided that there was sufficient significant and varied opposition to my candidacy, and thus no consensus to promote. Although personally disappointed, I both understand and respect their decision, especially in light of historical conservatism the project has had when selecting its bureaucrats. Your detailed comments during my first RfA were key in helping me to better understand the community's wishes, and if you have any further suggestions or comments as to how you think I could help the project, please let me know. Once again, thank you for your both your early and strong support, and your continued advice. -- Avi (talk) 16:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

RfR
Hi Pedro,

I'd like to request Rollback, as I see your open to doing so for good reasons.

Please look at Requests for rollback.

Thanks,

 BG  7   16:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey no worries I've been sorted!
 * Thanks!
 *  BG  7   19:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, sorry I wasn't around. Pedro : Chat  08:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hope for a shameful plagiarist
Hello there Pedro!

I've been thinking (hard.. very hard) about the possibility of going for WP:RFA. I'm broadly from the Malleus Fatuorum School of Thought (Malleus being a user I've collaborated with in mainspace many-a-time), and believe the granting of adminship should most definately be a decision based on edit history, temprament, and how conductive to the good of the project the admin will be (as opposed to getting a sherrif's badge).

I've been nominated for adminship in the past by User:Rudget, but turned this down on the basis that a) I wasn't sure if I really needed the tools, and b) I did not feel ready for such a bestowment and responsibility. Now, I kinda do.

My point for telling you? We haven't crossed paths before, so I wondered if you agreed that me considering this is a good step for Wikipedia. You've also been recommended to me as the ONLY user who's got the notion of coaching down-to-a-T, and wondered if you were "recruiting" admin-hopefuls at the moment, and what aspects I might want to consider/develop.

Finally, you might ask "why the heading"?... it's in the rather popular sig sorry! -> --Jza84 | Talk  22:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you may just have shot yourself in the foot there by mentioning me Jza84. My school of thought is not universally admired. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Jza, there is one thing I'd like to discuss with you, but as it is related to a privacy concern I'll email instead. Other than that one thing, it is better that discussion is kept on Wikipedia. In general I'd be delighted to help you become a good and effective administrator. Generally I am moving away from "admin coaching" - I find it against the spirit of Wikiedpia. You may find User:Pedro/Mentoring of interest. This is a new idea, just at the start of being created. The general thrust is to provide a review by other editors, as well as a forum for discussing after the fact events that would be relevant to the administrator related parts of the project. Fundamentally, of course, you are already leaps and bounds ahead of me - you actually generate high quality encyclopedic content for our readers!! I'll drop you an e-mail re: that one thing but in general I always prefer to discuss on Wikipedia. Perhaps you may like to highlight the difficulties you've had with other editors in the past (per some comments on your talk page). An open discussion of the ramification of how you dealt with those situations may be of benefit. Pedro : Chat  09:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * OK that's great stuff, and thanks for the positive reply. I have e-mail enabled so feel free to drop me a message there per your needs. I'll also, probably, start a thread at User:Pedro/Mentoring to see what comes out there.


 * On difficulties, well, I've had many... I'm a content builder first and foremost, which means (regrettably) battling through wave after wave of edit conflicts, warring, sockpuppets, conflicted interested parties, and downright vandals etc etc. The two "best" pages (for want of another word) about conflicts I've faced and how I dealt with them would be Editor review/Jza84 and Requests_for_comment/Yorkshirian. Do you think this would be enough material to work from at say User:Pedro/Mentoring? --Jza84 | Talk  10:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. I think it was Arnold Schwarzenegger who said "I've lived my life as a movie star, not a politician". I'm one of those guys who've been on Wikipedia to write articles rather than pass RFA, and I think Schwarzenegger's excuses correlate with my own!... on the privacy matter, that's fine. I'm curious though. Feel free to leave a message and I'll get back to you in no time. Thanks again Pedro. --Jza84 | Talk  20:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I hope this addressed any concerns you might have had regarding the re-name. If not, again, I'm happy to get back to you via e-mail. I know it was possibly the wrong venue (and think that the header would benfit from greater clarification), but I have to say that I found the thread most enlightening and encouraging. Thanks, --Jza84 | Talk  22:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It did, and I hope you understand that I was reluctant to re-iterate any privacy issue without your say so, but as you yourself mentioned it then all is well. I'm going off-line now, so will take action further tomorrow regarding a request for a couple of rather dull looking grey buttons :)!! . Very best. Pedro :  Chat  22:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A co-nom would be more than great! Don't worry if you need to go offline though please. --Jza84 | Talk  23:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * give me about 8/9 hours. Good night! Pedro : Chat  23:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, Pedro, you Brit. It's only 6 pm in my world.  The night is young!  :-)  Seriously, I'll even provide the link for your co-nom: Just click here to edit!.  Cheers Pedro, sleep tight... Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  23:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers Keeps - over here it's now the 14th! Will sort that tomorrow. Pedro : Chat  23:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the co-nom, I really admired the introduction... I'll take a look at transclusion, but if it's not done by when you arrive for editting (15:00 I believe?) then feel free to transclude over for me.


 * I'm really really stressed out now! And feel under pressure to perform... not 'cos of the RFA... but an impending life and death dual! --Jza84 | Talk  09:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I misread your message! I thought you were returning at 15:00, not departing!... well yes, I suppose there's no time like the present! I believe I've now transcluded the page with this diff. --Jza84 | Talk  09:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Will do, and thanks again for your support. I'll keep my eye on what pops up, although I might get dragged away for a tiny amount of time this afternoon too. A busy day it seems! --Jza84 | Talk  10:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

WBOSITG's RfA
 Hello Pedro, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for your participation in my RfA which was passed with a final tally of 114/10/4. I'm both shocked and honoured to gain so much support from users whom I admire and trust, and I hope I can avoid breaking that backing by being the best administrator I possibly can. I will take on board the opposition's comments and I hope to improve over the coming months and years. Once again, thank you!  weburiedoursecrets inthegarden  20:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

RFA I closed
Pedro, mind looking that RFA over and checking to make sure I covered all the steps? It's my first closure and I just wanted to make sure I completed it correctly. Dureo (talk) 13:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking, was hoping I hadn't missed anything major. :P Dureo (talk) 13:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

My Website
Hi there Pedro, I was wondering how do I get other users to go on to my website which I have created. It is exactly the same as wikipedia except you can do and create anything that you want. I have worked long and hard on it. If I give you a link to it I would be honered to automatically promote you to a Sysop and also a Bureaucrat. Peterpipper (talk) 13:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be very interested to see it, but I'd warn now that if you start using wikipedia talk pages to promotoe it you'll be hit with a spam template faster than you can blink!! However, as I say I'd be interested in a link. Pedro : Chat  13:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The mainpage still needs a little tweaking to bring all the links together but im sure that you can help out with it. http://humanbeings.scribblewiki.com is the site sign up and leave a message on my talkpage and I will promote you. Peterpipper (talk) 13:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well it all works - interesting - I've not seen scribblewiki before - are they easy to host / install or do they take care of it? So what's your humanbeings wiki about (quite a broad subject matter!!) Pedro : Chat  14:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Scribblewiki is easy to install all you to is go onto http://www.scribblewiki.com and say what you want to call your wiki and then you can make yourself a steward and all the things on wikipedia but without having to go through the whole selection process. The only thing that I will say is that it is very hard to promote it without paying for webspace and advertising space. Its about anything that you want it to be the only thing that I wont accept on it is anything that is against the law such as child pornography. That I deal with seriously by reporting it to the police and delete the material concerned. Peterpipper (talk) 14:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed! So are you going to use it as a reference work like Wikipedia, or for collaborative working for other kinds of projects? Pedro : Chat  14:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes it will be like wikipedia and will probably create sub scribblewiki's so I can link them together like the wiki foundation. Are you interested in joining and becoming Sysop and also a Bureaucrat? Peterpipper (talk) 14:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm interested in helping out a good project yes. However my "lust for power" is not quite so bad that I need you to grant me those tools! I've allways felt that, for example, adminship on one wiki does not equate to adminship on another, where different policies, rules, consensus and community feelings thrive. So, I'll be happy to register account but please don't turn on any "bits". Let's see where the project goes first. Pedro : Chat  14:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok Pedro, You can help me develope the site so that it becomes popular and maybe you can work you way up the ranks. The project should go pretty far as long as we can get people to register. I have a few users but none have yet to contribute to the site. Peterpipper (talk) 15:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks ;)
I dunno what I keep doing to screw up the formatting of a numbered list if I add a strikethrough. Nice of you to fix it for me. Thanks!  Qb | your 2 cents 14:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So simple, yet so ellusive... I r smrt.  Qb  | your 2 cents 14:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

sockpuppetry
Hi Pedro, I am a qualified lawyer. If you would like an email from my email address at work then I will be happy to do that for you. Peterpipper (talk) 20:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I know that I was wrong to give out legal advice on wikipedia and looking back on it I shouldnt have because I usually charge for my services on advice. Lesson learnt and if the checkuser says that I am innocent then the checkuser says that I am inncoent which I believe it will come back as but you were right in the descion and dont worry about it. I have to deal with much more difficult problems than this in the courts. Peterpipper (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you have any idea of how long it will take? As I am due in court shortly to defend someone and wont be on for for at least another 12 hours. Peterpipper (talk) 20:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A few hours, generally. it's no big deal - please feel free to carry on editing The courts are working overtime then - a bit late for a sitting! Pedro : Chat  21:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I know tell me about it. Have been up since 6 this morning preparing the case. Because of the backlog of cases that were heard today it has been pushed onto this evening which is a bit of a bugger because it means I cant see the Girlfriend when she comes home now. Peterpipper (talk) 21:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Your note
Responded on my talk page and on RFR. I hope they help. Thanks Acalamari 20:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank-spam
 , just a note of appreciation for your recent support of my request for adminship, which ended successfully with 112 supports, 2 opposes, and 1 neutral. If there's something I've realized during my RFA process this last week, it's that adminship is primarily about trust. I will strive to the best of my ability to honour that trust in my future interactions with the community. Many thanks! Gatoclass (talk) 06:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * And in your case, particular thanks for taking the trouble to go back through my diffs and record your impressions, I'm quite sure that had a positive impact on the outcome! Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 06:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm
I've seen probably 2 dozen extremely respected editors that have said "just go for it" or some such. Think about it this weekend. Self nom. I think you'll pass with minimal drama. If you want it, do it. If you don't, don't. I'm hoping you do. Keeper  |   76   |   Disclaimer  16:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Forget the one year tenure... WJBscribe/The Rambling Man both had less than a year as an admin, and WJBscribe hadn't even been editing a year. Please go for it now (while you still have the support...) Putting it off is a bad idea imo. PS email coming your way.  Al Tally  (talk) 17:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. The bureaucrat job doesn't seem anything like as challenging as the admin job that you're currently doing very well. There are a lot of editors who would support you, why not go for it? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Gents, strongly appreciated. This was my last response. I'd not be human if I claimed I wasn't flattered, but at the same time this is only a website (check the thread above for my invitation to be an admin, crat, checkuser, oversighter, Godking, and probably Darth Vader that particular sock felt might entice me onto his wiki). I'm happy to serve and I'll consider - but I need to ensure I have a week when I'm relatively clear to be able to respond to questions and comments appropriately in order to be fair to the community. Pedro : Chat  20:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Malleus finally accepted RfA#2. He also said, on his talkpage, that he'd accept only if you accepted. :-)  Seriously think about it Pedro. I'm positive you'd pass.  Or at least, I'm postive you should pass. ( of course, I thought Riana and Avi should pass too... ).  Do what you will my friend.  FWIW, I've got your back.   Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  00:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU has a new format
Due to popular demand, HAU has a new look. Since the changes are so dramatic, I may have made some mistakes when translating the data. Please take a look at WP:HAU/EU and make sure your checkmarks are in the right place and feel free to add or remove some. There is a new feature, SoxBot V, a recently approved bot, automatically updates your online/offline status based on the length of time since your last edit. To allow SoxBot V to do this, you'll need to copy to your userpage. Obviously you are not required to add this to your userpage, however, without this, your status will always be "offline" at HAU. Thanks. Useight (talk) 17:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Added the cat. Good stuff! Pedro : Chat  20:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Awesome
You know it! Praise to Miranda. Neıl ☎  20:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Comment
That is truly amazing! I don't think I wanna know how you got that so quickly! :) Best, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 22:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I get it! I do that too actually. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 22:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You. RfB. Now.
Seriously, throw one in. I know why you haven't accepted yet. It's because I haven't offered to nominate, right? Like I nominated your RfAs? Right? OK, so that's not it.

But do it anyway!!! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup yup.  Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  01:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Count me in as a supporter. We need a bureaucrat with your type of signature, and even better if that bureaucrat is you. :) Seriously though, your judgment is excellent, and if you ran for bureaucratship, I would definitely support. Acalamari 02:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Excuse the n00b, but can anyone support in a RfB?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  02:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * yes. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Then count on my support too :)  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  02:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm getting an impression that quite a few members of the community would like me to request beaureacrat tools. Don't know why I get that feeling.....:) Pedro : Chat  08:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You. Email. Now. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm just wondering about something - since strange reasons always seem to crop up at RfB and RfA, how would it look if Pedro (after much resistance and hesitation) suddenly changed his mind and ran in midst of all this community urging. Now, personally, everyone knows where I stand with Mr. Pedro. However, others less familiar with him might view the sudden change as..hey..I can win the popular vote. Cronyism in other words. Does that make sense to anyone else?  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 17:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Makes perfect sense. I've said something along these lines before - the perfect candidate is the one walking down Mainspace Street, blissfully unaware of his/her own viability as an RfA/RfB candidate. Out of nowhere someone nominates them - a "Nombush" on the street - "Oh, no way, you think I'm a good candidate?! Well, wow, I had never, ever, ever thought about the possibility of anyone trusting me with the ultimate powers of adminship/cratship, but I suppose I'll humbly accept your nomination, even though I know I'm not worthy..." Tan   |   39  17:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So basically you're saying he's in a catch-22 situation - if he accepts, he'll be opposed for running because lots of people think he'll make a good 'crat and some idiots people think that's a good reason to oppose, and if he decides not to, he'll be letting down a lot of people. I'd say just go for it and hope the closing 'crat closes thoughtfully.  Al Tally  (talk) 17:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Majorly, well, not exactly. At least, that's not what I was getting at. I think that if he postpones his nomination, most users will not feel "let down" or despondent. However, he'd be sidestepping the RfB BS opposes that are bound to rear their ugly heads. I can just see it now. "Cabalism". This is all conjecture of course, I could be completely wrong. In fact, I was sort of just musing and putting it out there to see if others thought the same way. I am in no way discouraging Pedro from running.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined  /  C ) 17:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I have looked at this during the course of the afternoon. Subjectively, I believe I would be a competent bureaucrat. Objectively, if I was a third party opining on a "Pedro RfB" I'd have a two "concerns"; I am generally assured that <1 year admin tenure is not that big a deal for most editors - that my overall tenure would be seen as acceptable. So, to point 1. Now, I considered a while back clerking at CHU etc. but to be honest felt that it stank of "gaming the system" i.e. editing there for the sake of being a bureaucrat rather than a genuine desire to help - the akin of making numerous zero value WP:AFD edits for the sake of adminship. I am sure you all know I'm really rather anti editing for goals other than the improvement of the encyclopedia. However I do feel that my lack of proof of ability at CHU may weigh heavily. In reality my account has both been renamed and I then usurped "Pedro" so I know the process, and I have often followed the discussion at CHU - however this is not demonstrable by edits. The "catch 22" I find myself in is thus simple - insufficent edits to the one backlogged area a 'crat only can resolve, against my own personal desire not to be seen to be gaming the system. Now, of course the issue is therefore that I can in effect never escape such a situation. So, on balance, as I believe there will be a benefit to Wikipedia by me having the rather small additional tool set, I feel that running now is not a bad idea. I will trust commentators at an RfB to disregard the conversations here and at WT:RFA as irrelevant, and judge my request on its own merits by weight of my contributions and responses. And, all, as ever my deep appreciation for your comments, clarifications and input. It means a lot to me - far far more than a succesful RfB ever would. Pedro : Chat  19:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lack of WP:CHU / WP:CHU/U clerking
 * Less than one year admin tenure
 * I will not be running just yet. I need to better understand Single User Login (meta page). I'm reviewing this on meta as well as here and it will take at least a few days. It's unfair to the community to ask for tools when there are peripheral technical aspects that I am not fully clear on, and waste the communities time accordingly. Pedro : Chat  21:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations
You're in the top ten. :) Congratulations. Acalamari 02:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Some way to hit your record though !! Pedro : Chat  08:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Adoption
Are you adopting? If so, may I be accepted? I have had many criticisms about my editing per my talk page and I need mentoring. I have made over 10,000 edits, about 2900 of them in the mainspace. I am currently being adopted by User:Steve Crossin at User:Steve Crossin/Adoption but I believe I need an extra hand. Please reply on my talk page. Regards, Ryan Cross  ( talk ) 04:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I've decided to have one adopter. Cheers.-- RyRy5 ( talk ) 19:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay - I'll try to pop by to your adoption page and add some value as well. Pedro : Chat  21:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Dynamic IP
You are aware that 88.105.23.179, which is the IP you just blocked, is a dynamic IP? I'm sure you are, assume good-neutral faith and all, just making sure. --Justpassin (talk) 20:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, based in Amsterdam. Therefore my 12 hour block. Given it highly unlikely that the IP address will be reallocted to another user who also wishes to edit wikipedia between now and tomorrow morning (WP Time) 12 hours is a sensible length for deterrent and not punative or disabling. Can you clarify your concern here as I never block unless sure and will rectify any mistake. Pedro : Chat  20:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In my previous wikilife, I sometimes sensed and was upset by apparent anti-IP sentiment. I now feel a bit guilty about questioning you, but you seem to be quite resilient about it. Sorry about that. --Justpassin (talk) 21:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what you mean here. I'm not anti IP at all - are you refering to Wikipedia more generally?. I'm also not "resilient" if you mean "not open to another view". However I believe my block was well within the policies and guidelines laid down to admins, but I would welcome dialogue if you feel otherwise. Clearly you are an experienced user and therefore would have much to add. Pedro : Chat  21:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was refering to Wikipedia in general, and I meant "resilient" as "Well thought out answer to very annoying Wikipedian." I also think your block was very reasonable, however as a non-admin I don't always what "reasonable" is in regards to blocks for an IP versus a non-IP. I was talking to you initially with that in mind. Sorry about that, I should've assumed good faith. --Justpassin (talk) 23:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Opinion is required
Hello Gandalf, and how are you? I would like to request your opinion of a heated discussion. Thanks.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  21:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hah! Yes I'd noticed on my watchlist that this was getting some heavy edits. I'll have a nose for you. Pedro : Chat  21:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am now (by Dave Souza's standards) a troll. I have a feeling I won't be on for a while.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  14:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it was rather funny myself.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  20:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)