User talk:Pedro/Archive 42

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What was the purpose of your parenthetical "(as is usual from Elen, whose utter lack of competence, communication skills and general ability is well noted both on and off site)"? / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think that comment was over the top. Reyk  YO!  05:49, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Noting that there is a consistent pattern of mistakes by a sitting arbitrator would seem to be germane to a debate about the accuracy of a deletion. I note others have called Elen's actions "foolish". Pedro : Chat  08:24, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I observed when I first ran for admin that I would not get offended by abuse directed solely at me, where the editor has some underlying point that he wants to make, but can't get it said in more civil language. This is a personal approach, and comes from having a long customer service background where aggressive customers were common. In this case, Pedro clearly thinks this was a wrong decision by me and that I make wrong decisions in general, an opinion to which he is entirely entitled, but it might be as well to remind him that the way he said it is a personal attack, which might not go down so well for him if he aims similar expression at anyone else.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Must say that I too was shocked by this overtly aggressive and unwarranted attack. In my (limited) interactions with Elen, mainly concerning trying to get a troublesome editor back on track, I have found Elen to be a good communicator, exhibiting a lot of patience and kindness regarding the user in question.  Captain Screebo Parley! 16:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Elen's passive agressive approach above is typical of her particular style of commentary. If it helps matters I'll just go and remove the comments. Pedro : Chat  18:44, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comments removed. Others - I'd appreciate it if you'd invesiogate the back story before coming here to chastise me (not that you could investigate much of it but AGF and all). Whilst it might be a little petty (okay a lot petty, but that's right up Elen's street) there is more here than meets the eye.
 * In a nutshell Elen stated a while back on wiki, without equivocation, that arbcom did not hold a secret evidence page on me. Within a couple of days a sitting arbitrator confirmed that such a page did indeed exist. So either Elen is a liar (likely), Elen is not privy to ceratin parts of ARBCOM as they don't trust her (also likely) or Elen couldn't be bothered to do any research before making a foolish comment/action (well, the case in point refers). Either option hardly shows her in a good light. We extend good faith - we don't extend blind faith. Next time you lot want to leap to her defence please understand there may be another side to the coin. Pedro : Chat  20:12, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think people are leaping to her defence, more that they are puzzled at what appears to be some axe-grinding on your part and direct attacks that have no context to the conversation at hand. Apart from the fact that some people contest the G10 decision as hasty or foolish, and Elen admits with hindsight that she would have done things differently, there is no indication that she is highly incompetent or a bad communicator.
 * Now, you've removed the comments over there, only to renew your personal attacks on your talk page. So now she is a liar, or untrustworthy or just plain lazy, or some combination of the above. If there is a big issue here and you feel that you genuinely have a grievance, why don't you use a RFC process or whatever applies to admin behaviour?  Captain Screebo Parley! 21:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Pedro, it was a page on Wikipedia the arbwiki that one person who was an Arb had created in 2009, about an SPI you had been involved in, and that you were perfectly well aware of the existence of, which was why you kept banging on and on that Arbcom were about to make you disappear. I never read the page myself, it had been deleted in a general cleanup some time before you started refering to it, and have no idea of the rights or wrongs of it, but that's hardly a secret Arbcom evidence page.  It's like saying that the government has a secret dossier on you, when what you're actually referring to is your tax return. Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2011 (UTC)ETA - I have checked back in my memory.  My amendments are shown
 * it had been deleted in a general cleanup some time before you started refering to it - I'd suggest you go check you facts Elen. It was deleted by one of your colleagues well after I was informed of its existence and it was my "banging on about it" that prompted the deletion. In order to not make yourself look even more silly, I'd suggest in the future you do some research before commenting on what you are blatantly ill-informed to comment on. Thanks. Pedro : Chat  06:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * True, I had read John Vandenberg's comment that he had spoken to you previously to be saying that the page containing information about the SPI had been deleted by that point, as it dated from 2009 and was extremely moot by this point. The fact remains that there never was a sooper seekrit Arbcom page in which we were discussing how we could delete Pedro from the face of the project, so when I told you there wasn't, I spoke nothing but the truth. As I say - you were looking for the top secret FBI dossier, what we had was your tax return. That Arbcom have a tendency to keep information that should have been deleted ages ago is a separate problem, of which I think the entire community must by now be aware. Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:46, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm bored of this now, and I imagine you are too. Let's drop it. However a little more fact checking might not go amiss on your part on occasion, and a fair bit less snark on my part I'm sure would be appreciated by all. Pedro : Chat  13:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅Let's go with that. Elen of the Roads (talk) 13:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW, thank you for refactoring your comments at DRV. Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:49, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Pedro : Chat  13:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Crat bar
Hi Pedro. I wanted to invite you to comment on this discussion about the crat threshold, if you are interested. I think you could provide some good insight. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (T•C• V ) 20:33, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am interested, and thank you very much for the courtesy in letting me know. I'll try to add value to the debate. The close of the last discussion was a suprise as I felt it was self evident that we were debating not only the lowering of the bar but also the percentage.
 * Regretfully myself and Joe don't see exactly "eye-to-eye" (Joe hates my guts and frankly the feeling is reciprocated) and I suspect this tarnished his view and allowed him the easy cop out. To force the issue would seem to be needed as Joe clearly could not get beyond his hatred of me to offer a more objective close. Still, there we go. Pedro : Chat  20:08, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Pedro. You've done a lot of good work here and have a very experienced view of the project. I would very much appreciate any input you have. We've been working on a rough draft at User:Hydroxonium/sandbox. Please feel free to edit it as you see fit. I look forward to any input you may have. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (T•C• V ) 04:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Pedro. Regarding the threshold for bureaucrats, we've moved the discussion to User talk:Hydroxonium/Requests for bureaucratship threshold and I was hoping you might have some input. Any comments you have are very much welcome. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (T•C• V ) 07:31, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Question for you
I'm assuming this doesn't refer to me, because if it does, I have no idea what you mean. If it does refer to me, please let me know what you mean because the comment doesn't make any sense to me. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

RfA nomination
Hi Pedro, I saw that you're willing to review one's contributions prior to RfA, so I'm wondering if you're willing to comment on my edit history. Cheers Sp33dyphil  "Ad astra" 11:32, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

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I notice you have stepped out for a bit. Hope things are treating you right. jorgenev 03:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)