User talk:Pegoelia

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Hello Schminnte, I appreciate your concern about there being a possible conflict of interest here, but in my case this couldn't be even remotely possible. The reason is that there is absolutely nothing controversial about SoundSpel, it is simply an alternative orthography for English. You can always decide at any time whether you wish to use traditional orthography or not, it's simply up to you. There is a computer program that will convert traditional spelling to simplified spelling, and it is absolutely free since we are a non-profit organization that promotes literacy. I am the only person on the planet who knows all the rules of the system, precisely because I am the sole designer of that system, and naturally I know my own rules! No one else on this planet has any claim on the rules of this system, because no one else is interested in it. (It would be as if you were working on a novel, and some total stranger came up to you and told you that working on your own novel would be a "conflict of interest"!!). At any rate, I need to get some sleep,so thanks again and good night 🌉... Pegoelia (talk) 02:15, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Could you please read the policies that I have linked above. Editing articles closely related to you is strongly discouraged, especially if you are the creator. You can request changes through the edit request template on the article's talk page. Information must be supported by verifiable independent sources. See WP:REFB. I hope you take this to heart. TL;DR, Please use the article's talk page to propose further changes.  Schminnte (talk • contribs) 10:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Schminnte! By the way, I am now fully acquainted with the principal editor of the SoundSpel page, and we have fully resolved our differences :-) Pegoelia (talk) 08:41, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah good. Enjoy editing! Schminnte (talk • contribs) 08:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

"oi" and "oy"
Hello, Pegoelia. Both oi and oy for /ɔɪ/ sound? Officially? Since when? Personally I welcome oi and oy. Then, oister or oyster? Daydreem2022 (talk) 03:30, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

SoundSpel is now using both oi and oy for the /oi/ sound. This is in keeping with the practice of using ou/ow and au/aw as well. The 'oi' is used inside closed syllables, such as "foil, boil, oister, cloister, hoist, foist, joining", and so on. The 'oy' is used at the very ends of words, as in "boy, joy, toy, cloy, enjoy, anoy [TO 'annoy']", and in all derived words such as "boyish, toying, cloying, enjoyabl, anoyanss [TO 'annoyance']. This policy avoids such awkward spellings as *boiish or *toiiing. To check the current dictionary database go to the American Literacy Council (ALC) website at https://www.americanliteracy.com/ and go to Tools. From there you can choose either the INTERACTIVE TRANSLATOR or the WEBPAGE TRANSLATOR. Either way, if you type in words such as 'oyster, choice, rejoice, employee, deployment' you should get back "oister, choose, rejois, employee, deployment". This change in the rules was made by R. J. McGehee, the current vice-president of the ALC, sometime after the death of Edward Rondthaler at the age of 104, which would mean sometime after 2009. Pegoelia (talk) 08:48, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

"-shun" or "-shon"
In SoundSpel, "-shun" or "-shon" (for "-tion")? Daydreem2022 (talk) 03:33, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello Daydream! SoundSpel has now gone back to using "shon, zhon, schon" (moeshon, fuezhon, qeschon) in place of *shun. All current databases reflect that change. Edward Rondthaler had used -shun in his 1986 dictionary but gave no justification for it. All previous authorities (Godfrey Dewey, Walter Ripman & William Archer, Zachrisson) had used -shon. R.J. McGehee, who is the current vice-president of the American Literacy Council (ALC), had all words in the dictionary file changed back to -shon. You can confirm this by going to the website for the ALC at https://www.americanliteracy.com/ Go to Tools and try either the INTERACTIVE TRANSLATOR or the WEBPAGE TRANSLATOR. Type in any word such as 'motion, direction, division, collection' and so on, and you should get back "moeshon, direkshon, divizhon, colekshon". Pegoelia (talk) 08:13, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Pegoelia!
 * I visited https://americanliteracy.github.io/ts/tools. INTERACTIVE TRANSLATOR is based on new rules, and WEBPAGE TRANSLATOR is not.
 * I like "oi", "oy", and "-shon". New rules should be shown on the ALC website.
 * En passant, INTERACTIVE TRANSLATOR didn't work for some words such as call, caller, and guest.
 * I have been interested in SoundSpel. In 2022, I started SoundSpel page in Japanese on Wikipedia. And I edited SoundSpel page in English arbitrarily. Mistakes could be contained, but someone will correct them.
 * Thank you. Daydreem2022 (talk) 01:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello Daydreem! I have also noticed that while the INTERACTIVE TRANSLATOR seems to be working on the new rules, the WEBPAGE TRANSLATOR seems to be working on the old rules: You can easily see the difference since the new rules use -shon in place of *-shun; caul, taul, faul instead of *call, tall, fall; aer, paer, baer in place of *air, pair, bair; and lurn, burn, turn, as opposed to *lern, bern, tern. I tried changing the text on the actual SoundSpel page, but the young man who recently graduated from high school and has put a lot of work into the page rejected most of my changes (I am 62 years old and am the internationally recognized expert on SoundSpel!). I then tried working with a "sandbox," but for some strange reason the "sandbox" only allows me to edit the first paragraph of the page. If I try to copy and paste other parts of the text for editing and press "publish" all the new text that comes after the word "history" simply disappears, as if I had never typed anything beyond that point to begin with! So far, no one has given me any advice as to how to fix this problem. This means that for now I have no way to change the incorrect information on the English Wiki, but if you have any questions about SoundSpel I can help you to get the right information for the Japanese Wiki. Pegoelia (talk) 20:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I edited SoundSpel page on Japanese Wikipedia. I had to. I had cited some sentences from https://americanliteracy.github.io/samples/PeterRabit.htm . I am glad that typos were corrected. Later, I found "bunnies" and "sieve" there.
 * 'Now mi dears,' --- In SoundSpel, are "dear" and "deer" retained? (Deep down I hope so.)
 * As for Wikipedia SoundSpel page in Japanese, I edit it little by little. I visit SoundSpel page in English. I look forward to new edits. Many thanks.
 * Daydreem2022 (talk) 01:35, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Unable to edit full article while in sandbox mode
I am trying to edit the article on SoundSpel while in sandbox mode, but I was only able to edit the first paragraph of the article and all subsequent changes are not being recorded. What is going on here? Am I doing something wrong? Pegoelia (talk) 13:25, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I am not familiar with mobile edit. It seems that you cannot do edit the whole page from mobile phone. You have to edit section by section.Daydreem2022 (talk) 04:17, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see how "sandbox" is a "mode". Yes, mobile editing may go one section at a time, but editing a sandbox shouldn't be different from editing an article or a talk page. Drmies (talk) 04:20, 10 February 2023 (UTC)