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Jacquelyn Burnett
Hello PelhamRaymond, the links above may be very helpful to new members of Wikipedia, but the links I would recommend to you right now is WP:RS and WP:OR. I see that you've re-added the section of Mira Loma High School Notable Alumni> here. Unfortunately, even though you are giving details, what is need is a direct link to a reliable source. It may be difficult to find(I know it is because I've searched for a link in order to help you), but you have to not only cite a source, but provide a link to that source. Per WP:RS. So if you know of a reliable online source that describes the even that you've added to the page in question, add that to the section you've added. I will wait for you to find the source before I remove it again. Good luck. DD2K (talk) 19:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * DD2K: Kenneth Gilbert Peterson was admitted to practice law in the State of California in December 1974. His State Bar of California number is 62396. He is currently serving as a judge of the California Superior Court. See http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=62396  And see http://ratethisjudge.com/sacramento/sac-peterson.html Mr. Peterson was, as a Deputy District Attorney, in charge of the case against the pilot.


 * Jacquelyn Burnett's birth and death are noted in the Social Security Death Index and in the California Death Records. Both of those databases are available at rootsweb.org Should I add links to those sources?


 * The Estate of Jacquelyn Burnett is listed in the Superior Court of California, County of Sacramento database. Case number 293561.  See https://services.saccourt.com/indexsearchnew/CVFLPRPersonList.aspx?SearchValues=CV||Jacquelyn%20Burnett|01/01/1979|12/31/1983|Name|Asc|  Should I add a reference to this case?


 * Jackie's classmates dedicated a page of their school yearbook to Jackie. They also planted a tree at Mira Loma High School and placed a plaque near the tree to memorialize Jackie. I wish that I had a photograph of that tree and plaque. Perhaps a current student could take a photograph like that and upload it to Wikipedia.


 * Jackie's funeral was attended by hundreds of people. The crash was reported in newspapers and on television. The pilot's trial was also extensively covered by the news media. I might be able to find references to those events in newspaper articles. Are those acceptable sources? PelhamRaymond (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello PelhamRaymond, this: "The crash was reported in newspapers and on television. The pilot's trial was also extensively covered by the news media. I might be able to find references to those events in newspaper articles. Are those acceptable sources?" is the exact portion needed for the event to be cited. It sounds like if you could provide a newspaper or television report on the crash and/or trial, it meets both notable and reliable source criteria. I can help search in news archives if you can find out which paper or news outlet reported on the this. It's obvious that you are trying to make the correct edits and follow procedures, so I don't see a need to remove the information. Don't be discouraged if someone else removes it. If you can find the outlets that reported on her death and the resulting trial, it can be put back in. I will check back with this page over the next 24 hours or so, so you can leave any information here and I will check the sources. DD2K (talk) 21:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * DD2K: The crash occurred on August 24, 1979 and it was covered on that day or the next by The Sacramento Bee newspaper. It was also covered by the Carmichael Citizen, one of the nine community newspapers published by Sacramento Suburban Newspapers. The Sacramento Bee has an extensive online archive. I will try to find references to the crash and the trial in their archive. The events were also covered by The Sacramento Union, which bought Sacramento Suburban Newspapers. Unfortunately, The Sacramento Union went out of business in 1994.


 * A television newscaster named Otis Turner reported about Jackie's death. Another newscaster named Mike Boyd covered the trial.


 * The Sacramento County Coroner reported that Jackie had drowned. She was still alive when the wreckage of the plane sank and pulled her below the surface of Lake Natoma. A story about the Coroner's report was published in The Sacramento Bee.


 * A woman who had been on the shore of the lake and who had witnessed the crash told an investigator from the National Transportation Safety Board that she had seen "arms pounding the water." Unfortunately, Jackie was not able to free herself from the wreckage. Scuba divers recovered her body. At the crash site, the surface of the lake and the shores were littered with hundreds of small pieces of the blue and yellow fabric that had once covered the airframe of the PT-17 Stearman biplane. That plane was based at nearby Phoenix Field, a small, private airport in Fair Oaks, California. The N.T.S.B. report might still be available via a Freedom of Information Act request.


 * The plane hit a set of three electric power lines that cross a narrow portion of Lake Natoma, about one-half mile east of Nimbus Dam. Those power lines are visible on Google Maps. Flying under those power lines was a popular stunt that had been performed many times before August 24, 1979.


 * The pilot waived his right to a jury trial, leaving his fate in the hands of the judge. In legal circles, this procedure is knows as entering a "slow guilty plea". The pilot was sentenced to five consecutive weekends in the Sacramento County Jail; 10 days in all. Prior to killing Jackie, he had attempted to take-off in fog and crashed, killing his own 12 year old daughter. At the pilot's sentencing, the judge told the pilot/defendant, "You knew better than to take reckless chances with airplanes."


 * The pilot was very well known. He was a real estate broker and hundreds of his "For Sale" signs were spread across Sacramento and El Dorado counties. He is now deceased. PelhamRaymond (talk) 02:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I actually found a link via the LA Times archives, but there is a fee one has to pay in order to view it if you don't have a subscription. In any case, it's verified enough imo. If you come across any other links to insert for citing a source, just add them after the reference I added. Good luck. DD2K (talk) 03:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)