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Dorothy Vena Johnson
Hi, I'm looking for articles to feature on the main page in the DYK section during Black History Month. Are you planning to nominate this, or would you like me to? Also, would you be able to write a stub article (one paragraph minimum) on the League of Allied Arts so we can link it in the Johnson article? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 11:58, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * If you want to suggest other articles created within the last 7 days to nominate, please let me know. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 12:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yoninah: I wasn't planning to, but please go ahead! I'll try to write up the League sometime this weekend. Here are all my Black History Month articles so far this month:

And another one is underway right now. ;)Penny Richards (talk) 14:17, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Mary Eliza Walker Crump
 * 2) Bette Treadville
 * 3) Suzette Harbin
 * 4) Exie Lee Hampton
 * 5) Minnie Tate
 * 6) Althea Brown Edmiston
 * 7) Fay M. Jackson
 * 8) Thyra J. Edwards
 * 9) Jennie Jackson
 * 10) Ione Wood Gibbs
 * 11) Sylura Barron
 * 12) Dorothy Vena Johnson
 * Yoninah: And now it's done, I think A. C. Bilbrew would be a good DYK candidate. Penny Richards (talk) 15:50, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow, you've been busy! The ones that were created more than 7 days ago won't qualify, but I'll start working on some later ones. You might want to think about nominating articles for an appearance during Women's History Month in March. Yoninah (talk) 20:18, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I don't venture into DYK very often, but I do already have one in the Women's History Month queue (Lulu Grace Graves).Penny Richards (talk) 20:32, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, I nominated Dorothy Vena Johnson here. At first I thought there was a good hook fact in Sylura Barron, but reading the source, I didn't see the discrimination mentioned outright, so I didn't nominate that. I also passed over Ione Wood Gibbs, as there isn't much to work with hook-wise. I would like to nominate Jennie Jackson, but since the sources are all offline, I wonder if you could type out the verifying text in the source for this hook:
 * ... that Jennie Jackson, one of the original members of the Fisk Jubilee Singers, sang before Ulysses S. Grant, Mark Twain, and Queen Victoria? Yoninah (talk) 21:18, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yoninah: Sure here you go:

“Among their patrons in our country were Henry Ward Beecher, Doctors Cuyler and Talmage, John Wanamaker, Wendell Phillips, William Lloyd Garrison, and Philips Brooks….and they were invited to the White House to sing for President Grant. In England their triumphs were repeated on a larger scale….an immediate result of this concert was an invitation from the Duke and Duchess of Argyll to sing at Argyll Lodge where, to their great surprise and pleasure, they learned that Queen Victoria would be present.” in Mary E. Nalle, "The Preservation of the American Negro Folk Song” Social Service Review (August 1916): 13. Online at Google Books.

“Writing on behalf of the Fisk Jubilee Singers, Mark Twain took his task ‘cheerfully.’ ‘I would walk seven miles to hear them sing again,’ he declared in an 1873 letter…” in Gabriel Mllner, “The Tenor of Belonging: The Fisk Jubilee Singers and the Popular Culture of Postbellum Citizenship” ‘’Journal of the Gilded Age and Progressiv e Era’’ 15(4)(2016): 399.
 * Thank you! Yoninah (talk) 11:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I'd also like to nominate Joyce Madkins Sumbi. I added a "citation needed" tag to the sentence I'd like to feature in the hook. If the source is offline, could you print out the relevant info for me? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you see my note on the talk page of A. C. Bilbrew? Once that's taken care of, I could nominate that too. Yoninah (talk) 14:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yoninah: Think I've addressed both questions now in the articles, with additional content and refs. Thank you! I love how the DYK process makes articles better. Penny Richards (talk) 15:19, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, your edits to Joyce Madkins Sumbi made my hook fact more speculation than fact, that she was the first black librarian to work directly with the public. Since I can't view the Binnie Tate Wilkin book, I'm not seeing more hooky facts to work with. Yoninah (talk) 15:50, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay.Penny Richards (talk) 16:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I don't know if you have the time for it, but when you have an oral history available online for someone like Joyce Madkins Sumbi, you can get a lot of personal detail off it. I just skipped around the first session, and added details of her early career. I'm mulling over a hook. Yoninah (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yoninah: Aha, yes! No time today or tomorrow (holiday weekend here), but I'm glad to hear that it's accessible (I hadn't tried yet). I can try to listen later this week but if you find good stuff first, that's even better! Penny Richards (talk) 16:42, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

A. C. Bilbrew
According to this source, her given name was "AC". Could you provide a cite for the longer name? Maybe the biographical section needs some tweaking. Yoninah (talk) 15:38, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I saw that one, and she certainly used A. C. (or even "Aycee") in most contexts, which is why I titled the article with the initials. Right now I can't find where "Alice Caledonia" came from, so I'm removing that name until I get a chance to retrace my steps.Penny Richards (talk) 15:50, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the page should be moved to AC Bilbrew. Yoninah (talk) 15:53, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. The vast majority of print references to her are to "A. C. Bilbrew" (and the library named for her), not "AC Bilbrew." A redirect would be appropriate, I'll do that. Penny Richards (talk) 15:57, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, I nominated her at Template:Did you know nominations/A. C. Bilbrew. Could you please give me the text from the Watkins source that says the choir members appeared as cotton pickers? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:41, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yoninah: Sure, that one's easy: "Among those who left the city last Sunday morning for location scenes, in Wm. Fox's 'Hearts in Dixie' all-colored cast picture, were some of Los Angeles' most renowned choristers, under the very able direction of Mrs. A. C. Bilbrew. They will supply the chief background for the plantation scenes--cotton pickers--then return to the studio to complete the sound arrangements." This is a quote from the California Eagle newspaper, found on pages 72-73 of Mel Watkins, Stepin Fetchit: The Life and Times of Lincoln Perry (Knopf Doubleday Publishing 2006). On Google Books. Or this link is for the original article, in Internet Archive: "Shooting Begun on 'Hearts in Dixie'" California Eagle (November 30, 1928): 8. Penny Richards (talk) 01:17, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I added the online link to the article. The DYK already passed! Yoninah (talk) 11:52, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That's wonderful. I appreciate all your work on this. Penny Richards (talk) 15:15, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

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DYK for Jennie Jackson
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DYK for A. C. Bilbrew
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DYK for Joyce Sumbi
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A-Z congratulations
I see you've finished another A-Z run - wonderful! And although I've been tracking your new articles and adding redirects and surname page entries, I hadn't noticed the A-Z sequence until Xenia and Yvette appeared yesterday - how's that for unobservant? I waited till Zona before congratulating you!

I see that you list "other names" in the infobox - please consider making redirects from those names too, and from other versions: every now and then they match an existing redlink, sometimes in the Women in Red lists of redlinks.

I'm not sure how useful surname pages are, but as they exist we ought to add women to them. Particularly for writers, academics, etc there's a chance that someone may find a mention of "Bloggs's work" and want to track down the "Bloggs". Unlike some other editors I don't bother adding new articles to birth date, death date, and given name pages - except for a few really unusual given names like Philadelphia and Xenia - as I can't imagine many readers searching that way. There are categories for birth and death years anyway. We all have our different ideas as to what is and isn't worth doing.

Congratulations again on producing so many good well-sourced articles, with the added quirk of A-Z sequencing. Pam D  23:52, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yes, I usually do redirects and surname pages when I get a chance; I'll spend my wikitime the next couple days doing some tidy-up jobs on the latest alphabet of articles. (They all get at least one incoming link to avoid orphan tags, but now I can go back and do a few more for most of them.) – Penny Richards (talk) 00:54, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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Featured picture candidates/Paulette del Baye
You might be interested to know that Paulette del Baye is about to reach featured picture status. Marie-Aimée Roger-Miclos is also up, but it's a vote short of passing right now, so might need a renomination later. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.5% of all FPs 23:06, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

And both of them passed today! So, both articles WILL be on the main page; any dates you'd suggest? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.5% of all FPs 13:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Adam Cuerden: WOW! That's so cool. They're such beautiful images. I don't have any particular dates to suggest. But my birthday is in April so I will consider both of them to be birthday honors, whenever they appear. Penny Richards (talk) 13:56, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Grabbed Roger-Miclos' birthday. Edit this as you see fit. Template:POTD/2019-05-01 Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.5% of all FPs 15:05, 3 April 2019 (UTC)I

The nice round number appealed, so I grabbed the 75th anniversary of Paulette del Baye's death: Template:POTD/2020-05-23

Alice Lethbridge
Thanks for adding Alice. May I ask if you have a connection to her? Grace H-D-H is my great aunt. MrMarmite (talk) 13:26, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Always happy to hear from the kin of my articles' subjects. No connection here. She just looked interesting. This month on WikiProject Women in Red we're focusing on dancers, so she's one of five articles about dancers I've started so far in April.-Penny Richards (talk) 14:15, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Louisa Dow Benton
I really appreciate your improvements on the Louisa Dow Benton article. Thanks, Penny. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:37, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

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Gender equity event at UCI
Thank you! Good to see you and meet Roger too. Penny Richards (talk) 16:26, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

 * That looks delicious! Thank you. Penny Richards (talk) 14:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

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DYK for Elizabeth L. Gardner
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Maude A. K. Wetmore
I found some good group photos that include her. Would you like to have a look? The best are probably https://www.loc.gov/resource/hec.02822/ and https://www.loc.gov/resource/hec.36784/ and I'm pretty sure we could crop something out of one or both that'd look a bit better than the current lead image. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 20:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the second one has more potential. And yes, either one would be better than the current lead image. So let's do this. Penny Richards (talk) 21:41, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Frank Cellier (actor)
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WikiConference North America 2019
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 * Ah, thanks for the invitation. I'm sure it's wonderful, but it's not in the cards for me, not this time.Penny Richards (talk) 19:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

MilHist contest
Hi Penny

I have noticed that you have tagged several articles for the contest, but not assessed them. Which seems a shame. Is there a reason for this? If not, would you like them to be tagged? I would be happy to do this, or to give you pointers so that you could do it yourself. Or you could tell me to mind my own business - whatever. Cheers.

Gog the Mild (talk) 03:07, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, ! Thanks for checking with me. I've never assessed an article, and don't really know how. I should probably learn sometime. Until then, I'm fine with other people doing it. Penny Richards (talk) 13:28, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Will do. It is fairly straight forward, and when you feel like having a go, this pretty much says it all so far as MilHist is concerned. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I seem to have been beaten to it on several, but have wrapped them up. A fine set of articles to browse through. Fanny Titus Hazen, which I didn't assess, has been allocated a C; I assume for want of a cite for her presidency of the National Association of Army Nurses of the Civil War. If you could add it and ping me I would be happy to upgrade. (Similar for Belle Coddington, but as I can't see a lack of a cite, I have already upgraded it.)
 * A couple of comments: every entry in an infobox starts with a capital letter - I have amended a couple; in one you accidently used "works", which refers to literary works, instead of "known for" - I tweaked it while I was there.
 * Gog the Mild (talk) 14:30, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Done! And thanks for the tips! Penny Richards (talk) 18:31, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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