User talk:Penwhale/Archive11

Talk:List of YouTube personalities
Hi Penwhale. Because you participated in Articles for deletion/List of YouTube celebrities (4th nomination), your input is sought at Talk:List of YouTube personalities. There are disputes over who should be and who shouldn't be included in the list. Cunard (talk) 23:17, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

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Re: 2011 Draft
Thank you for doing that 100% in line with wiki policies and guidelines, and the definition of that tag! --Lvhis (talk) 17:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Dome of the Rock
this edit reminded me of a report I want to file about Asad. May I? Chesdovi (talk) 18:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Prefer you seek other people's input, as I have no knowledge of the area at all whatsoever. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 02:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, as long as you have no problem with me filing a report. Chesdovi (talk) 08:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This is NOT a "I don't see a problem with you filing a report" statement, but more of a "You should ask someone else whether you should file that request or not" statement. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 09:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As long as I know the only problem you seem to have is your knowledge of Islam, not that I am precluded from filing reports. Thanks! Chesdovi (talk) 09:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

ただいま.
Hello there. Any articles you want to work on? Mainly anime/manga but I am open to suggestions. -- Cat chi? 09:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ... Wow o.O You are back to the realm of the living, right? - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 09:32, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well... Undead maybe :p I will finally have time for them wikis I think. Although my schedule is as always quite hectic. -- Cat chi? 10:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way you particularly busy? -- とある白い猫 chi? 01:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? o.o - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 04:03, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request for a protected page
I made an edit protected for that protected page, and listed my reasons. Could you please take a look there and kindly give some help? Thank you. The mediation on the dispute is closed with failure to resolve the dispute, i.e. the dispute is still ongoing. --Lvhis (talk) 18:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the dispute at the Senkaku Islands page
Hi Penwhale. I think you acted rather hastily in removing the dispute tag from the above article. First, it is disputed - it's not clear cut as you suggested. Second, there's no reason that the tag must be there right now. Third, you raised COI and I think it's correct for two reasons - i) you removed the tag in the past, overriding Feezo; and ii) Lvhis personally asked you to remove the tag.

If you read this soon, I think it would be good if you could remove the tag and let someone else decide how to address it. But I decided to raise the issue at the Admin intervention board, as I wasn't sure when you would next be on. I hope you don't take offence, and I'm sure you acted purely out of good faith. But I think your intervention was very inappropriate. Thanks, John Smith&#39;s (talk) 19:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


 * John Smith's, your using the word "removed" in above are really confusing. If you want to argue against adding the tag, you should argue on my two main points in my edit requested. You'd better to read the wp guideline POV Cleanup at least 3 times or more before you made such complain again and again. Admin Penwhale just did a thing 100% in line with wp policy and guidelines, nothing with COI at all! --Lvhis (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Penwhale, I'm a little confused by your actions re Senkaku Islands&mdash;you said on June 29 that I should "feel free to remove [the tag] when the medation closes"&mdash;yet only a day after I did so, you answered a protected edit request to restore the tag. Has the situation changed? You should also be aware, if you aren't already, that there is a currently open ANI case on this. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 02:11, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Have replied at your talk and ANI. Mentioned my defense at Article talk. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 02:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard
Please see Administrators' noticeboard. Your closing statement should be made as a comment, not as a close. You overrode community consensus in that debate. Cunard (talk) 07:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * A CU block is (almost) equivalent to a community-imposed ban. Normally, they don't get reversed. Therefore, as the accounts are already blocked for CU reasons - effectively making them equivalent to de facto community bans, there's nothing more to be done. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 07:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Nova Publishers
Hi, yes, I realize that I violated 3RR, too, but hoped this would fall under vandalism fighting. I guess that's stretching the rules a bit. But what do I do with an IP who does not want to dicuss and insists on inserting all kind of stuff into an article that doesn't really belong there? This particular article has been a pain for a long time... (And to heap it on, they also spam me all the time... :-). Anyway, I will leave reverting the IP's latest edit to somebody else and back off for a while. Thanks for listening... --Crusio (talk) 16:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Penwhale, Can't be sure of the timing, but it looks to me like IP address 31.11.74.215 is continuing to edit war after his 24 hr block . Famousdog (talk) 09:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Technically, 2 consecutive edits, and more than 12 hours old, so I'm willing to wait and see whether he keeps up. Perhaps you should discuss with the IP on his talk page? - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 09:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * S/he's still making pointless edits against what appears to be consensus ... Famousdog (talk) 09:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Try post to IP's talk page? Ask the IP why they want to keep an "Impact" section in the article. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 11:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Calvin  &bull; 9 9 9 17:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
thanks for this :) Much appreciated (was obviously going a bit too fast) Jalexander--WMF 02:05, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

History
Ok, almohads was a dynasty (as family) but was a country too. According to all references legal heirless of Almohads was another (not Marinid dynasty).
 * When Istiqal party create "Greater Morocco" says: all arab countries in Morocco was only one (Morocco).
 * Kingdom of Fez was exits! (Reyno de Fez in Treaty of Tordesillas not Wattasid dynasty)
 * Algeciras, Gibraltar, Ronda and Malaga was part of Marinid Empire (part of: Algeria, Gibraltar, Morocco, Spain) North Africa & South Europe
 * nationality = Moroccan...?????? it`s an Anachronism!.Bokpasa 20:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello,
 * Since my request on ANI was archived without any answer by, should I understand that all 's OR/POV edits will not be reverted and that he will not be blocked as it is the 3rd time he vandalizes these (same) articles?
 * Btw, as I wrote before, I will not revert these edits, even after the expiry of the protection, without the consent of an admin or of the board... I don't think that works the same way.
 * Omar-Toons (talk) 22:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * This needs more eyes. However, as he hasn't edited in a few days, let's see what he does after. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 00:28, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

repeat sockpuppets vs. banned editors
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jclemens&diff=436338835&oldid=436312677  FYI, Unscintillating (talk) 14:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Cent listing of block notice discussion
I note you relisted the discussion, however discussion stopped nine days ago. Relisting it gives the impression that it's a new discussion, and is somewhat misleading. We only list active discussions on Cent. Interest has faded from that discussion, and it's now waiting for someone to sum it and close it. I can't do that, as I took part in the discussion. However, you haven't taken part in the discussion, so you could have a go at summing it up to see if there is a consensus - and if so, updating WP:REMOVED.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  11:25, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * At a glance, I couldn't find consensus on that; there are 2 alternative proposals given but are not discussed at length. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 17:17, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed topic ban for Makesense thread
I have responded to your suggestion ahead of Zac and fixed some of his pipelinks for clarification up to the example he used of mine, even making a list of those ten examples. I've left the remainder for him to fix up on his own, but ATM what's there is a good start. I've also notified the user to check for any errors as I simply tried to merge links with neighbouring text and didn't check every link myself (except for the list of ten). CycloneGU (talk) 16:04, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

On agreeing with 'shonen
Not often agree with little 'shonen? That your problem, little user! [''Bishzilla sticks the little user in her pocket. We'll just have to see if he's ever heard from again. ]   bishzilla     ROA R R! !   '' 11:14, 2 August 2011 (UTC).
 * ...? CycloneGU (talk) 13:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * . Bishonen | talk 14:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC).

Versus relaunch on the 2nd?
Every source I've read said the 1st. ViperSnake151  Talk  15:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * USA Today article on this. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 19:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Kingdom of Sardinia
Hi Penwhale. I saw another block for the page about the Kingdom of Sardinia. Can a single user (Srnec) impose his own single view, call for a poll and (when our wiki-community refused his point of view) reject the result, refusing to show even a single English source according to his version (his version is more than poor of sources: it is COMPLETELY unreferenced! What about WP:SOURCES?) I prevent a probable objection: speaking with him is completely useless, because he thinks that talk pages are simply places where he can explain why his versions must be imposed. I think that now it is time to take a decision: are wiki-guidelines as WP:SOURCES or WP:CONSENSUS relevant or they are simply a joke? --Jonny Bee Goo (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This is content dispute, and should be discussed at RfC/RfM/etc. I don't see enough discussion on the talk page for me to act for the time being. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 19:45, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

68,697 bytes of talk page is not enough discussion? An opinion that can be hardly sustained.... (By the way, what are "RfC/RfM"?) --Jonny Bee Goo (talk) 20:04, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Stop and go discussion isn't good (especially there was at least a 1 month gap before you re-started discussion). RfC = Requests for Comment, and RfM = Requests for Mediation. They are standard dispute resolution steps when editors cannot gain consensus. RfC is also used sometimes to look at user conduct. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 20:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for this fix ! causa sui (talk) 19:36, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I was trying to figure out what was wrong, then I dived into the ReGex expression on that page (which, for the record, I'm not good at reading). Luckily it wasn't difficult to figure out what happened... - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 19:41, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Annabel Park
Hello Penwhale. I noticed just now you posted on ANI that you had "full protected" Annabel Park for one week, but when I went to check afterwards, it appears the page can still be edited. Have I misunderstood what "full protected" means? Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 06:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I goofed and semi'd instead of full-protect. Thanks for letting me know, and fixed. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 06:37, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying, it had me confused at first too. :) AzureCitizen (talk) 06:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Han-yi Shaw
Please take a look at a stub article about a research fellow at National Chengchi University. Perhaps you may have suggestions or comments? --Tenmei (talk) 16:24, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Whomever started stub that made quite a few factual mistakes... For example, they included the title "researcher" in the bolded Chinese name part... Updated: The Cambridge Journal abstract did point out that the author didn't include his own arguments, but did say that more evidence used by the author seem to support PRC/ROC claim. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 18:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It may be best to use materials used by Shaw, as Cambridge Journal clearly found flaws due to Shaw not listing how the claims are used. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 19:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Boris Berezovsky (businessman) article and sub page idea
Hi Penwhale, I have recently been randomly asked to comment on the Boris Berezovsky (businessman) discussion. It seems that the whole structure of the article is in question. (see recent discussion on the article's talk page.) I have suggested that we create a user (my own) subpage to try out a new structure. I am rather new to all this and don't want to add to the complexity unnecessarily. I have noted that you have protected the article and have been the last admin to be involved; thus my note to you here. Any thoughts? DonaldRichardSands (talk) 18:44, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Bokpasa
Hello,

I saw that started his disruptive edits again  and is involved in an EW with an IP editor...

Unfortunately, and as it is shown by the diffs that I shared on the ANI board  , this guy is well known for his PoV-Pushing, and I don't think that the EW can be stopped until he stops his PoV edits.

As he can't quit editing without any discussion and as all the previous tentatives to convince him failed, isn't a RfC-User the more appropriate way to stop that? Or can any admin intervene basing on 's previous cases of PoV pushing and nationalist editing?

Omar-Toons (talk) 21:59, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Resurrect the ANI report. Considering there are other SPI/socks involved, more eyes are needed. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 02:34, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 17:08, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Gilabrand
Hello, you informed Gila that her block was suspended, but you did not actually unblock her so she remains blocked.  nableezy  - 16:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As of Aug. 25. The block isn't actually suspended until then, so I'm actually not suppose to life it just yet. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 16:17, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahh, pays to read the end of the sentence. Thanks.  nableezy  - 16:29, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Translation
Hi, I saw that you were listed in Translators available from Chinese to English, and I need a translation of a religious title for an article. It's 万众尊崇法力无边仁慈祥和的佛法之王, the literal meaning of Gyaltsen Norbu's title, which I gleaned from his zhwiki article. Could you translate that phrase into English for me? Quigley (talk) 20:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Something like "King of Buddhism, Idolized by Many, Power Unlimited, Kind and Peaceful". Title translation isn't exactly my forte, though... - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 21:03, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there might be some specialized Buddhist terminology in there, in which case a user with the requisite knowledge will probably refine the translation later. Your translation is good for now, thank you! Quigley (talk) 21:24, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration on Senkaku Islands
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Thanks, Qwyrxian (talk) 10:07, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

DEL REV
Hi Penwhale!

You recently said in a DEL REV on WP:BLPSIGN that an RFC or VPP needs to happen. Would you please be generous enough to start one coz I don't know the procedure, yet. Thanks. Regards, Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 12:24, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Notification of arbitration case opened
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Hi
You've added a lot of parties to ArbCom cases recently, on orders from higher up, but I hope you'll draw the line.Anythingyouwant (talk) 11:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I fail to see the point you're trying to make here... Please enlighten me a bit further, if you would? - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 12:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I was up past my bedtime, when my sense of humor sometimes misfires. Sorry about that.  I was thinking about how people sometimes react to being added as parties, and this old video came to mind.  Anyway, please disregard.Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:53, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Signature trouble
I have already received a warning for my signature and removed them almost instantly. Please refer to some of the latest signs and you will see no images. Only some messages still remain with the sign and since i cant resign or countersign the messages, i abandoned them. --Anirudh Emani (talk) 07:29, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have replied to your talk page. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 08:11, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:The Musical in NYC Oct 22
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Template:Uw-sanctions
When adding new entries to Uw-sanctions, please make sure that they are added in all 3 places - with Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abortion, you added it only in the first; I went and completed the task. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:49, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Abortion "page" ban
Could I ask you to take another look at the templates you've added to Talk:Abortion? You wrote that the topic-banned editors were banned only from the article but were permitted to edit the talk page. That's not correct - as far as I can tell, these editors were banned from all abortion-related pages, a term that typically encompasses all namespaces and not just articlespace. This distinction was discussed on the Proposed Decision talkpage, and my understanding is that the Arbs explicitly voted to ban these editors from all namespaces, including Talk:Abortion. Would you mind taking another look and updating these templates? Thanks. MastCell Talk 05:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes I'd like confirmation here also. And see below.DMSBel (talk) 06:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Was there further discussion, re. not extending to talk pages?DMSBel (talk) 06:15, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The texts for template User article ban arb doesn't have a syntax to state ban from the talk page. However, the topic ban covers talk page as "broadly construed" implies that they are also banned from talk pages. This is the issue due to the existing wording of existing templates. Same issue takes place at the Talk:Opposition to the legalization of abortion and Talk:Support for the legalization of abortion. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 06:21, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I am a little confused, I had not seen that there had been a change from articles to pages, and the first two arbitators who registered support (for my topic ban) seem to have done so before the change from articles to pages.DMSBel (talk) 06:28, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * These days most topic bans are construed as widely as possible, which includes talk pages. It's been the standard practice. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 06:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks.DMSBel (talk) 06:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Now I see what the issue is: yeah, the template doesn't provide a way to add text that they're banned from talk pages too. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 06:50, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well as far as I am concerned, I only need notification on my own talk page, Penwhale, that you had clarified the issue here was enough for me.DMSBel (talk) 07:49, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

User article ban arb is taking up quite a bit of space. I think we can WP:AGF somewhat and assume that the five topic banned editors will all respect their ban; if not, surely one of us will remember. Would it be OK to remove the five instances of the template? NW ( Talk ) 15:13, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Most likely. That template needs modification in my opinion, but we'll have to make do... Go ahead and do that. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 23:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Seriously guys? Wouldn't you wait until after there had been a violation of the sanctions before posting a badge of shame to the talk page of every abortion-related article to make sure that there are no violations of the sanctions? Even if you choose not to have any faith in the editors under sanction at least have some in the scores of admins watching these articles. - Haymaker (talk) 02:04, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree it's excessive to template abortion-related talkpages with the names of specific editors who are topic-banned. I can't recall that being done in other cases, although maybe it has been. Just do without the templates. MastCell Talk 04:29, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The current procedure calls for posting of article bans to the talk pages last time I checked...
 * Just removed that. NW ( Talk ) 04:20, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Abortion Arbcom definitely closed?
Sorry to question this, is it definitely closed? I see several arbitors have yet to vote on the move to close, maybe I am not familiar with how these things are normally wrapped up?DMSBel (talk) 06:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * My apologies, I see now that not all have to vote.DMSBel (talk) 06:36, 28 November 2011 (UTC)