User talk:People bios

Welcome to my talk page :)

I am new to wikipedia (I joined on July 6, 2010) and I am a second generation Korean American.

Your recent edits

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~It just occurred to me that I was talking back to a bot. As you can see, I am painstakingly new at this. I am passionate about history, technology, and teaching, which is why I am on here. I love history, and am very excited to be a part of it in any way. I am going into teaching history, and hope to get a PhD in History, Education, or even Technology someday.

~I am also from the Facebook/MySpace generation, so as such, I plan on treating this whole site like a profile page for members. I think it wouldn't be bad for us to get to know one another, because the ones who do this for awhile are true historians and should be recognized as such (this is true for all admins, devoted editors, etc.). Historians also make it into history you know. I am really gaining a tremendous amount of respect for the Wikipedia community, and as such, I think it would be great for us to start being more direct about who we are.

July 2010
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. When you make a change to an article, please provide an edit summary, which you forgot to do before saving your recent edit to Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia. Doing so helps everyone to understand the intention of your edit. It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. Oneiros (talk) 19:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. Sorry, I didn't know. I will from now on.People bios (talk) 20:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Personal attacks
You must stop this sort of behavior immediately. Personal attacks, like the one you made against User:Xxanthippe, are totally unaccepotable and forbidden by the WP:NPA policy. If you do this sort of thing again, you will be reported to WP:AN/I and blocked from editing. Nsk92 (talk) 03:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * @ People bios. In the course of this AfD debate you made a personal attack against me. After complaints from myself and others, you apologized for it and I thank you for that. I note, though, that here you say "I just casually throw around my insults, personal attacks, and automated letters of complaints without discretion, and then I ask for forgiveness later."  . If you persist in this approach to editing Wikipedia you will cause offence to a lot of people. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Xxanthippe (talk), I am not quite sure how to take this comment you left on my talk page. On the one hand, I am not sure if it is meant to be a joke, because the comment I left on Cunard's page was obviously said in jest (I was referring to his automated letter of complaint if you were paying attention to the thread). In context, it was clear to Cunard that I was not being serious and I did not mean offense. The whole thread of comments that were being left back and forth between us make that apparent, so I don't know how relevant your point can be here (if it is serious) since it is taken out of context and I do not know how you could misconstrue that. On the other hand, if you really think that it was said in sincerity, then I should mention that I am very sorry about the personal attack I made against you, and I hope you will understand that I am not trying to make enemies on Wikipedia. I am just trying to edit and contribute to it.People bios (talk) 08:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Whipping Tom
Hi, Esther. Thank you for copyediting Whipping Tom. I noticed that you changed "colour" to "color". Per WP:ENGVAR, specifically MOS:TIES, this article should be written in British English instead of American English, so I have changed the spelling back to "colour". Best, Cunard (talk) 07:07, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh okay. I will leave those ones from now on.People bios (talk) 07:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Comment: My first barnstar! Thank you :) I am really excited about making meaningful contributions to Wikipedia. It encompasses so many of my passions, from History, to English, to disseminating knowledge, to technology (I am obsessed with technology).  Thank you for everything.  I don't mind the attacks, and in many ways, I have truly come to appreciate everything that has happened because it made me understand so much more than I would have if this whole [AfD] had never happened.People bios (talk) 22:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Friendly Advice
Mr. People bios:

Greetings! I am pleased and relieved to see you are still on here and attempting to contribute despite your first article having become the topic of a fairly heated AfD. To that end, I'd like to offer some entirely unsolicited, hopefully useful advice. I noticed that you just added several very lengthy responses to DiverDave's Delete !vote. Now, bearing in mind that this is advice that I have a hard time following myself (if I were better at "letting it go" when a conversation veers off topic and into pointless argument, I'd have a much more peaceful Wiki-life!), I'd recommend against continuing to do that. There's a point at which the original author of an article being discussed at AfD can use so many words defending the article's notability that it almost proves the non-notability of the topic. Meaning: if it takes you 500 words to explain why something is notable, it's probably not notable. All that being said, the notability of Dr. Kim is a bit complex, so some length is to be expected in responses. But I'd avoid repeating your arguments (the admin who will close the discussion will review everything written in the AfD), and I'd avoid responding to every little point every person brings up on the AfD :). The notability of Dr. Kim rests entirely on whether or not the Korean-language newspapers will be accepted as reliable sources sufficient to confer notability, and not on whether or not DiverDave is consistent in his opinions, etc. Make sense? I hope you'll take this as entirely friendly, constructive criticism/advice. I appreciate your candor and character thus far and it's always good to see new editors trying to learn so much about Wikipedia so quickly. There's a ton to learn! I have been working with the encyclopedia off and on for four years now and I still run into new policies and guidelines on a weekly basis! ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  21:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi GinsengBomb ~ I agree. I was a bit torn as to whether or not I should even get back on here, even in an effort to delete the comments, because I realized I was getting really worked up about this whole thing. Either way, I really do appreciate all the time people are putting into this, mainly because I believe that this is something I am trying to learn from and I feel like this entire experience is sort of like going through Wikipedia boot camp (nothing like a good Afd Debate to get the quickest, most straightforward lesson on how to figure out the ways of Wikipedia.) Thank you for contributing and taking part. I apologize for diverging from the main issue at hand.People bios (talk) 00:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No apology is necessary. On the contrary, I think you are owed an apology for the treatment you have been subjected to by certain veteran editors. We have a policy here regarding not biting the newcomers -- a policy which has, in my opinion, been repeatedly violated by several editors in their dealings with you. Regardless, hang in there. So long as you continue to demonstrate aptitude for learning from and acknowledging your own mistakes (as you have done so far!), you'll find this "Wikipedia boot camp" you're in right now very productive :). ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  14:10, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Message from DiverDave
Hello People bios, and thank you for your comments at your AfD. You are probably cringing at this moment, but please take three deep cleansing breaths: it's OK, this is just cyberspace and not the real world. However, by now I am sure you realize that there are many Wikipedians (like me, for example) who take this stuff quite seriously. As you have no doubt learned from my userpage, I have been involved with this project for about 2 years now. I am still a newbie; I have made my share of mistakes, and expect to make more in the future.

I feel no need to defend the article I started about Richie Castellano, but please allow me to use it to illustrate a point. As of this writing, I have made 49 edits to this article compared to the 32 edits you have made on your Dr. Kenneth K. Kim article. You and I have both put a lot of work into our respective articles, and therefore have a significant interest in defending our efforts. However: if the Wikipedia community decides that my article is not worthy of Wikipedia, then it should and must be deleted. I will be very unhappy to see my hard work flushed down the toilet. But Wikipedia will have upheld its credibility, and I will have learned a valuable lesson from the process, and I will emerge as a better thinker and a better writer. Everybody wins!

From what I can see, you are a better writer than I, but I have the (possible) advantage of having walked around on this planet for a few more years than you. You and I have much in common however: we care, and we try, and we feel we are improving with experience. The important thing is that we learn from our experiences, which makes us all better editors in the end. After a while, you will see that it is the journey and not the goal that is important here. You are going to do just fine, so please take my advice and:
 * 1) let the chips fall where they may with respect to your article
 * 2) please do not let this experience sour you with respect to Wikipedia. You are exactly the kind of person we need here: one who honestly and truly wants to do the right thing
 * 3) please continue to contribute to Wikipedia!

Welcome, Comments
First of all, welcome to Wikipedia and I'll say I think you have the potential to be a great contributor to this encyclopedia. I like and I usually do try to help newcomers with their first article. About your article, I googled this person and I came up with some conflicting info - Is this the person mentioned in your article? Here Thanks -   Burningview    ✉  01:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC) Oh I almost forgot, if you are looking to get an outside opinion of your article, peer review - WP:PR is the place for that. It's really intended for higher quality articles, but I'm sure you can still submit your article and get advice on improvement.  Burningview    ✉  01:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

DiverDave (talk) 05:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

DiverDave, I am really glad you left me this post. I am seriously really embarrassed by my behavior. I was really confused and uncertain when I first started, and I was trying to figure out what was and was not acceptable. I think I asked too many questions, and somewhere along the line, I also seemed to have pissed off a lot of people. Some of my questions seemed like attacks when they weren't, and the more questions I asked, the more upset some people seemed to get. I really do appreciate your response. I tried to delete the comments I left, but someone reverted the edit and I am still confused on the rules, so I left them. If you want help editing an article, I would be more than happy to try and help you either a) write it or b) look for sources/citations. I am really trying to learn from this more than anything else on what is and is not acceptable. People bios (talk) 05:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC) "you will see that it is the journey and not the goal that is important here" - I really like what you said here. It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: "Happiness is a journey, not a destination."People bios (talk) 05:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

DiverDave, I really wanted to ask you a question, but I'm sort of afraid to because I'm afraid it'll get interpreted the wrong way. I don't know if it's possible, but if you could email me I'd really appreciate it. I think part of the problem is that this is so public, so I think when I question a lot it seems like I'm always trying to attack someone, when I'm just trying to get an answer sometimes.People bios (talk) 06:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello People bios. I am more than happy to help you in whatever way I can, though I do not know your email address. And please don't worry too much about hurting my feelings. I don't feel that you have attacked or threatened me in any way. DiverDave (talk) 05:38, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

thank you for being so understanding. My email should show up if you enable your email user function...I think. I'm actually not entirely sure how to do this. ❀ ℮Տڂ Һℯɼ ❤  ʗҺɑʈ εїз  07:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

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Nomination of Kenneth Kim for deletion
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