User talk:Per Honor et Gloria/Archives1

Indo-Greek Kingdom
The dates you gave for the Indo-Greek kings (a) seem rather short for birth/deathl and (b) are all divisible by 5, so presumably are estimated. It would nice if you could follow Manual of Style (dates and numbers) when giving dates, for example instead of


 * Diomedes (95 - 90 BC)

you could write


 * Diomedes (reigned c. 95&amp;ndash;c. 90 BC)

(assuming that those are his regnal years and that they are not known exactly) which would come out as


 * Diomedes (reigned c. 95–c. 90 BC)

The idea is that the links to the years provide historical context. Gdr 22:30, 2004 Jul 27 (UTC)


 * Hi, I made some moderately major changes to the article. I hope you find them helpful.  Sometimes a fresh perspective helps a great deal; other times it just wrecks things.  :)  I also changed my vote at WP:FAC.  Kaisershatner 15:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to say "Congrats!" FWIW I think the current revision is substantially improved from how it started when originally proposed at WP:FAC.  Nicely done!  Kaisershatner 14:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Greco-Buddhism
Good info, but there's still some work left to be done, i feel, i'd like to see more on the interaction of the cultures, and what happend in the end with the Greeko Budhists. GeneralPatton

Ptolemy I of Egypt
Hi - I'm catching up on past edits, so sorry for delay in asking, but I see that you have been replacing BCs with BCEs in Ptolemy I of Egypt. Is this wiki-style, and I just don't know it? -- ALoan (Talk) 23:00, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comment - I'm not sure that replacing BC with BCE and AD with CE really achives much in the way of avoiding a "strong Christian orientation in datation" given that the date of the transition from BCE to CE is the same as that from BC to AD (and in any event, everyone agrees that Jesus was not born at the end of 1 BC / beginning of AD 1). There must be a Wikipedia recommended practice for dates.  (Just for the record, I have no particular axe to grind on the Christian front, it is just that I am much more familiar with BC/AD, so it takes me a second to translate BCE/CE.) -- ALoan (Talk) 23:31, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Coin pictures
You uploaded some pictures of some coins. The image description page says that you and the copyright holder agreed that it was fair use for non-commercial purposes. This makes absolutely no sense. Could you please read the Copyright FAQ and explain to me exactly what you had in mind for the license those pictures should use. &rarr;Raul654 06:37, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)

Attalus I
Hi, FYI: I've just done a major rewrite of Attalus I, since you were a contributer to that page, I though you might like to know ;-) Paul August 05:37, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

Corrected Image for Atttalus I
I see you corrected the image of the coin depicting Attalus I, great!

I have some of questions:
 * Shouldn't Attalus Image:AttausI.jpg be moved to say "Image:Philetaerus.jpg" and Image:AttalusICorrected.jpg moved to say "Image:Attalus I.jpg" (I would prefer the space between "Attalus" and "I" if possible, or with an underscore if not)?
 * I don't know of an image of a coin of Philataerus yet, so I would recommend against putting Attalus instead. You can change image names with the "Move" function, it's fine.


 * Also for both images, you give: http://www.snible.org/coins/hn/syria.html as the source of the images. I can find neither image on that page, I wouldn't expect to since it's the "Syria page". I looked for the images on the "Mysia page" here: http://www.snible.org/coins/hn/mysia.html, and I found the the Philetaerus coin, but it's a "side-by-side" image not the "top-and-bottom" image like the one in the article, did you manipulate it?I couldn't find the Attalus I coin. Can you point me to the page(s) for the images you uploaded?
 * You'll now find the exact references in place. Yes, I did dome paste work for vertical layout.


 * Also on the image pages, should we include links to the specific pages the images come form, or just to the site itself? (say: http://www.snible.org/coins/hn/index.html ) Or both? - I vote for both ;-) Paul August 16:50, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Done. By the way your new intro to Attalus is great. Regards.

Image copyright
Can you add a copyright tag to Image:MIKASA%26TOGO.JPG, please? For example if you took the picture and you are prepared to licence it under the GFDL; see Image copyright tags Gdr 17:40, 2004 Nov 1 (UTC) (And for any other images you uploaded; this was the one I noticed.)

DYK
I'm going to be updating the Did you know section shortly, and I'd like to inform you that I will be saving your article "Hasekura Tsunenaga" for later as there is another image I'd like to feature as well. It seems a waste not to use the pic from your article so expect to see it in about 12 to 24 hours. (if your article was in fact written on Nov. 22) [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 08:49, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * Your article is now on the front page (with picture). Enjoy! [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 21:57, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

foreign merchant at the silk road
Hello PHG! - I liked your long-nose-picture from the article Silk Road ! - I sharpened it a bit and uploaded it to - Thanks for your license! - The picture is now also in the article Seidenstraße. Greetings! --Sputnik-de 22:17, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Shimonoseki photo
Thank you so much for uploading that photo! --Historian 23:40, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Commons
Hello - just to let you know, that I've moved your images of Mikasa to Commons and  - changing "jpg" to lower case. Pibwl 21:55, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
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OR
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Battles of the Imperial Japanese Navy
That was quick! Only six minutes between my writing Indian Ocean raid and your linking to it... Gdr 22:55, 2004 Dec 16 (UTC)

Good work on the Agathokleia article!
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Agathokleia you recently created is now featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page, or be bold and update the DYK template yourself after reading the rules there.

Indo-Greek Kingdom 2
Could you please suggest me, if you have any in mind,books or sources about the archaeology and history of the Indo-Greek Kingdom?

Kapnisma 14:42, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Buddhist art nominated for featured articled status
Hi PHG, I've recently nominated the fine article Buddhist art for featured article status, and, as you seem to have written most of it, you probably would like to participate in the discussion about it at Featured article candidates/Buddhist art. Thanks for your good work here.--Pharos 05:07, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gaijin.gif listed for deletion
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Nice work on Pamalican
Impressive first-draft contribution. If only all new articles were as well-made as this one.

Image:BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg
This work is brilliant! Do you know where I can buy a print?

Wiki Classical Dictionary
Hey. This is User:Lectiodifficilior. I run the site www.isidore-of-seville.com and www.ancientlibrary. I've seen you around the Hellenistic articles for some time. You look like a Wikipedia dynamo.

Do you have any interest in working on a "Wiki Classical Dictionary"? I'm about to bring such a site live, and am looking for people who might want to be editors. The site would eventually cover anything classical, but would start out from Alexander and Hellenistic history. The difference between Wikipedia and a Wiki Classical Dictionary would be similar to the difference between the Encyclopedia Britannica and the Oxford Classical Dictionary, eg.,


 * Emphasis on "norms of good scholarship," going beyond NPOV to citation, "writing to your level," etc.
 * Authors would have standardized headings for editions, translations and commentaries.
 * Deeper, focused coverage of the classical world.

What do you think? No commitment necessary. I want to gauge interest and solicit ideas. Hit my talk page or email [mailto:editor@isidore-of-seville.com editor@isidore-of-seville.com].

Image:ArsacesI.jpg
You uploaded this image so I think you'll be interested in the caption I wrote. Gdr 22:55, 2005 Apr 2 (UTC)

Ta-Yuan
You may be interested to know that I have just nominated this as a Featured Article. Really good work, IMHO. 194.73.130.132 11:49, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fra Mauro map images
Could you please upload these images on ? I want to use them in Belarusian article about Fra Mauro.

If I'm not mistaken http://www.henry-davis.com/MAPS/LMwebpages/249mono.html is the source of images. Are you sure that they are copyright clear (from digitizing point of view)? Of course, map itself is in PD.

Thank you.

EugeneZelenko 04:05, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Classical wikis
Thanks for your reply comment. Against your advice, I did start my Wiki Classical Dictionary. Not sure if it'll work. Thanks and best Lectiodifficilior 06:27, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

HMS Hermes
With regards to the picture on HMS Hermes (95):

It is indeed Hermes... but there were two carriers called HMS Hermes; it looks to me like the picture is of Hermes (R12), the later vessel. If you look carefully at the picture, it has an angled flight deck (the bit sticking out on the right); the picture of the sinking doesn't have this, and the angled deck was a late-war development. So I suspect it's a mislabelled image. Shimgray 22:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oppenheimer beach
Thanks for the picture of Oppenheimer beach! Instead of releasing it as public domain, though, could you release it as something like GFDL? Basically, the ability to "release into the public domain" is of questionable legal status in general; the GDFL (and other free licensing schemes) basically is a way for you to say, "Yes, I recognize that I own the copyright on this, but I'm setting the terms so that anybody can use it" which is much more legally sensible. It also means that if anybody uses your photo to make something new, they can't release it under any more restrictive a license than you have (so Disney couldn't add Mickey Mouse to the picture and then start making a profit off of it). Just something to think about! Thanks! --Fastfission 15:05, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Did you know?
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Japanese warship Kasuga (1862), which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Shakya/Saka
Say, are you in a position to comment on the proposed merge between Shakya and Saka? I have the vague impression that the connection between the two tribes is tenuous at best (much like the connections between the Sakas and the Saxons). But I don't know a great deal about the relevant history. - Nat Krause 05:49, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Did you know?
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Nicolaus of Damascus, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Opening of Japan
It might be better if the information you've been adding to Perry's bio were added to a more topical article such as the Convention of Kanagawa. --Brunnock 15:48, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

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Article Appearance
You changed the map so that the appearence sucks on Battle of Tsushima - that also cost me about six hours of editing. Thanks! (well not really, I did capture it to notepad, but thought you should know about the esthetics at least.) At 2:35 am I didn't need the hassle. Fabartus 06:38, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi Fab. You can easily revert an Edit you do not like by going to the History Page, select the Version you favour, put it in Edit mode, and Save (5 seconds flat). That's called "Reverting an Edit", and you don't have to throw rude language around. PHG 09:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I Apologize

 * Sorry &mdash; that was a bit rude, tho' the term is used (these days) so often (esp. as I have two teens) that I guess with a fried brain I wasn't thinking too well. Suffice it to say (as a partial explaination) the MAP has a painful history and is scheduled to be replaced by one showing the fleet tracks in the battle of the same size or a little smaller. I'd taken some pains to site it carefully in the article text.
 * My esthetics point was you did not - you left a big gap in whitespace. It's a moot point, as I'll be changing the article significantly sometime today. Still my reaction was unprofessional, so I beg forgiveness. I'd expected to have a history to be 'diffing' this morning to focus further expansion, so I was worried when the system blocked me from saving my edit effort. I took the liberty of 'tidiing up' above.
 * See The talk explosion under the two links I give in my part(s) of this issue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Mr_Tan) if you want to 'Pendulum swing' into 'sympathy'. It's taken more than a little time. Again, apologies - I ususally try to make a better first impression. Fabartus 14:11, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Faxecura Rocuyemon
I asked a question at Talk:Hasekura_Tsunenaga that might better have been asked here. Could you please have a look? --Iustinus 17:43, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging
Thanks for uploading Image:Greco-Bactrian kingdom.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Until a more informative tag is provided, it will be listed as. Could you add a better tag to let us know its copyright status? If you made the image yourself, an easy way to deal with this is add if you're willing to release it under the GFDL. Alternatively, you could release it into the public domain instead, by adding. However, if it isn't your own image, you need to specify what free license it was distributed under. You can find a list of the tags here. If it was not distributed under a free license, but you claim fair use, add. If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images by posting to my talk page. If you do this, I can tag them for you. Thanks so much, Superm401 | Talk June 30, 2005 04:13 (UTC)

Odysseas
I don't feel that i'm amending a scientific publication at all. I just can't see what is the connection between an ancient Macedonian and a modern macedonian slav. Judging from your level of knowledge about ancient history, I feel shocked that you reproduce such a travesty.Odysseas 13:16, 18 July 2005 (UTC)You also might find interesting thess links: 1 2Odysseas 17:02, July 19, 2005 (UTC)Don't you think i deserve an answer?Odysseas 15:14, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

The reason he did not answer you, Odysseas, is probably because what you say does not make sense. It's not a matter of what you felt - you did indeed amend a quote from a scientific and that is not acceptable. You may feel however strongly against the text of a quote, by no means could you alter the meaning of it. You could add a commentary afterwards.--Sponsianus 03:41, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Thrason
Hi PHG! Just borrowed Bopearachi as you have so frequently suggested. I have found what I believe is a minor error. On page 106, he writes that Thrason shares a mintmark of Menander I (as you wrote in the article). This mintmark is a double joined X, number 240 on page 406.However, 240 is not one of Menander's! It belongs to Philoxenus, Theophilus and Nicias.

In the index on page 406, the mintmark which is common to Menandros and Thrason is instead nr 239, which also is a double joined X but with a dot above.

However: both mintmarks 239 and 240 are said to belong to Nicias! But if I can't see the dot above on the Nicias coin in question and in his text on page 107 only mintmark 240 is depicted. So has Bopearachi confused the two mintmarks twice? I can barely decipher French, so I would be glad if you checked it.

But if the mintmark of Thrason is indeed common with Nicias, Thrason should be transferred from Western Punjab to Paropamisadae where Nicias reigned. As you can see, I have altered his reign as well to around 80 BCE - the reason could be found under the entry of Apollodotus II.

But there is in fact no trustworthy dating of Thrason. The coin was published and dated in 1982 by R.C. Senior before the general chronology was established by Bopearachis, who has never even seen it! After Nicias (85 BCE) is my suggestion. --Sponsianus 04:12, 24 July 2005 (UTC)|Hi again!


 * Hi Sponsianius. Let me do some catchup on the Indo-Greeks at last.I think you are right that the XX mark (without circle) seems to be common to Thrason, Philoxene, Theophile and Nicias. Although Boppearchchi seems to have mixed the mintmarks, in the end he relates Thrason to these three kings in time and space. The reference about his coins having been found on the Jhelum is from Tarn, so maybe it would be more cautious to say that he ruled in the Paropamisadae/ Western Punjab. PHG 20:55, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I hope you have had a nice holiday! I would like to discuss a few more suggestions on the Indo-Greek page.

a) Under Strato I, it is said that Heliocles I overstruck several of Strato's and his mother Agathocleia's coins when he expanded into the Kabul valley. As far as I can see, Bopearachchi says that the overstrikes were made by Heliocles II ! This should mean that the first Heliocles never expanded east of Bactria, and Bopearachchi indeed limits his reign to Bactria only on his table of chronology (p 453). Accordingly, Heliocles I died during the invasion, and did not rule a rump state of the Kabul valley.

Frankly, I have had a hard time reconciling the invasion of Bactria under Heliocles I with this expansion - one could assume he spent his last years defending his borders, with little resources left for conquests. So if you don't have any objections (as you remember I don't read French well, so misunderstandings on my part are not impossible) I will correct this.


 * I kind of agree. The reference from Heliokles overstriking Strato and Agothekleia is from Tarn, but Tarn only ackowledged one Heliokles. It is more consistent epoch-wise if Heliokles II was the one to do the overtriking. Best regards. PHG 20:55, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

b) Under Polyxenios and Demetrius III I have switched their realms (see discussion). Bopearachchi's table seems confused here - Polyxenios shares mintmarks of Straton but is still placed in a different area, and Demetrius III has one unique mintmark, so his whereabouts are practically unknown. Bopearachchi associates him with Heliocles II, due to their similar reverse with a standing Zeus.

But Demetrius IIIs headwear (the almost unique elephant crown as well as the kausia) is similar to Lysias whom he also resembles, so shouldn't it be equally natural to consider him a minor Western king, a son of Lysias?

c) Plato shares a mintmark with Antimachus II. This means that the former's whereabouts and the latters reign might be ascertained with more certainty. Bopearachchi fails to make this connection since he does not mention the dating on Plato's coins (he labels them to be extra monograms). Antimachus II was probably dethroned around 167 BCE, the year Plato struck his first coin. And since Antimachus II never struck portraits, it is likely that he was a subking until his downfall, i.e. his father Antimachus I also died around 167 BCE. In fact, this dates the rise of Eucratides to c.168 BCE, but I will not post this unconfirmed hypothesis on Wikipedia. All that could be changed with some certainty are the dates of Antimachus II.

Best Regards--Sponsianus 13:54, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Deleted image
Hi PHG. The image you're referring did not have a source, which is why it was deleted. Thanks Craigy (talk) 22:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * That was the case before the recent update, but any images not sourced or tagged which are seven days old(er) are deleted. Craigy [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|15px]] (talk) 22:43, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Fair use disputed..
the Image:BSarnath.jpg has been listed as fair use without stating the category or the valid rationale. if it's not provided, i'm afraid i'll have to put it up for deletion within a day. things have gotten tighter around wikipedia you know. tx Idleguy 08:19, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes actually, it is a non-commercial use only. Please delete it.PHG 09:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Mahayana
The paragraph was not blanked out, merely moved to talk. I see you left no comment there. I will not blank out the Universalism paragraph, as it appears to offend you. However, I shall replace it with something I consider more sensible. Regards (20040302 09:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC))

Nobuo Fujita
Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I've added your new article, Nobuo Fujita, to the Did you know? section of Portal:War. Kirill Lokshin 00:37, 12 October 2005 (UTC)==DYK==

Japanese torpedo boat Kotaka
Hi again! I've added Japanese torpedo boat Kotaka, which you nominated on Template talk:Did you know, to the "Did you know..." section of Portal:War. Kirill Lokshin 02:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

History of Hinduism
Did you make those maps for History of Buddhism? If you did, would you mind making them for History of Hinduism. Only one would do. Maybe arrows from south India going to southeast asia. --Dangerous-Boy 08:50, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Now on commons
Hi, I have moved the images you added to the English Wikipedia, Image:AmaravatiScroll.JPG and Image:MaraAssault.JPG to Commons, as it made it easy for me to use in Telugu Wikipedia. Now that the images are on commons, you may want to list the ones you have originally uploaded here (on English Wikipedia) for deletion. Thanks, --Gurubrahma 06:34, 10 November 2005 (UTC)==DYK==

Ta-Yuan
Dear PHG:

I just noticed your excellent article on Ta-Yuan (Da Yuan). I was wondering if you can remember where the reference is that Da Yuan might have been derived via Yuan = Ionian? I would be very interested in reading it as it is an intriguing possibiliy. Also, I may make a link to my annotated translation of the 'Chapter on the Western Regions from the Hou Hanshu' which is on the Silk Road Seattle website - if you don't have any objections. I am hoping to post a much revised version soon - but, as it contains references to Da Yuan it would seem sensible to link it in even though it is in draft form.

Congrats on the good work,

John Hill John Hill 07:04, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Eastern Wu
I've removed your reinstatement of the Wu Taibo/Japan-related information, because that belongs to, if anywhere, Wu (state) rather than Eastern Wu. If you put it there, I won't have any objections. If you have an argument as to why it is relevant to Eastern Wu, please discuss on Talk:Eastern Wu. Thanks. --Nlu 06:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Ta-Yuan
Dear PHG:

Thank you for your friendly and helpful comments - they really cheered me up! I hope to find some time soon for more additions on subjects relating to Asian History in the Wikipedia - it is just hard to find the time.

Your entries that I have looked at so far are really excellent. Only one small point - I think it would help make everything clearer if you standardized on either the Pinyin or Wade-Giles system of Romanization. Using both, I think, is confusing for the average reader.

I look forward to reading more of your work.

All best wishes,

John Hill John Hill 23:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you very much for fact-checking and referencing Silk Road transmission of Art - you did a very fine job! By the way, one of the reasons that I tagged it was that its creator is notorious for introducing fringe theories and original research into a wide array of articles. Refer to Requests for comment/Roylee if you are interested. Kind regards, &mdash; mark &#9998; 14:22, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Buddhism in Kalmykia
Hello, good work on Buddhism in Kalmykia, and thanks for the contribution. However, you forgot to add any references to the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. What websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Buddhism in Kalmykia? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? Thank you very much. - SimonP 06:26, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:I-400.jpg
I'm sorry. I do not understand how to use Wikipedia well.

An image that you uploaded, is not I-400. Obviously, it is "I-13" Class Submarines (Type"Jyunsen-Kou mod 2") I think that your source is wrong.

Image Tagging Image:HermesSinking.jpg
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Images of ancient coins
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Heliokles II
Very interesting to hear about the new Heliokles II overstrikes of Hermaeus. This is a latter work of Bopearachchi - is it also available in French only? Happy new year! --Sponsianus 11:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Hasekura Tsunenaga
Hello,

I was interested reading your end note diff., quoting Madame de Saint-Tropez's relations. I would like to know where this quote is taken from (or did you see the manuscript yourself?) and whether you might be able to quote the remaining text omitted by the ellipsis (...). --Teofilo talk  21:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Theo F. The quotes are from the book "Marcouin, Francis and Keiko Omoto. Quand le Japon s'ouvrit au monde. Paris: Découvertes Gallimard, 1990. ISBN 207053118X." (pages 114-116). Best regards PHG 12:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you ! --Teofilo talk  21:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you ! --Teofilo talk  21:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you ! --Teofilo talk  21:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Hi there, I've just done a little bit on the Naniwa page and started on Takachiho. I repeated the specs from one to the other, changing the launch date and the date of demise. If you got the chance to check the other details it would be good (I'm afarid I can't read Japanese!). Harrypotter 19:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC) Cheers

Indo-Greek Chronology
Hi! I have voted for the Indo-Greek page, so possibly this is not the best time to voice this, but still: the chronology of the later kings is far more inprecise than the page shows. Bopearahchi's definitions are outdated - sometimes by himself, as you have proven. If you join the Hellenistica Yahoo group - if you haven't done so already, I don't know if I'm carrying coals to Manchester here - |Hellenistica Yahoo group, and look up Mark Passehl's message, no 71, which deals with the findings of various Indo-Greek hoards.

Mark Passehl tells of an overstrike of Eukratides II over Straton I, and claims there was a coherent Bactro-Indo-Greek kingdom stretching from Kapisa in Bactria to Matura, all the way down to Hermaios in the 80s BCE. This certainly makes sense as for why the nomads chose to replicate his coins.

Some of it makes less sense - he claims that Thraso (sic!) was Menander's heir instead of Strato I, and his attribution of kings to dynasties are quite exaggerated - but nonetheless, it might be a good idea to rewrite the chronology, possibly on a new page, and give more leeway to the conflicting data.--Sponsianus 19:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Hi PHG!

What you say certainly makes sense; there is no perfect system and by using Bopearachchi's manual, the page gets a very consequent structure. However, that book is now 15 years old, and what's worse: the chronology is cumulative - the older datings support the younger and the other way. The overstrikes suggest that Hermaeus was not the last Western king, Heliocles II is later than we thought and Diomedes much earlier. Under such circumstances, the short timespans for other kings might possibly reflect a somewhat unfounded security.

The following quote of Mark Passehl refers to works newer than Bopearachchi's encyclopaedia:

"Indeed Gerard Fussman (JA 1993 pp.120-30) stressed the fact that none of these // Unilingual Indo-Greek coins of Attic standards, my remark// coins have been found south of the Hindu Kush as the basis for an interestingargument that the mints which struck them were actually situated in southern Baktria. I cannot follow his argument when he asserts that the Tocharan/Yuezhi invasion and occupation was mainly confined to Sogd until the 90s or even 70s BC (they seem to have been pushed south of the middle Oxos to settle about Baktra following their defeat at the hands of Mithradates II of Parthia in 119-18 BC). But it is certainly true that under Tocharan rule the Baktrian kingdom was broken up into an array of local and regional powers, and Fussman's argument that the Tochari exercised an incomplete and above all economically primitive suzerainty over Baktria has a lot to recommend it."

Fussman suggests - on good reasons - that the mintmarks of the Attic standard coins of the kings who ruled after the Bactrian kingdom was conquered were in fact export coins, used for trade with the Tochars who did not accept Indian standard coins. This trade went on for some half a century after Bactria fell.

The Attic mints may have been situated outside the respective realms of the kingdoms as well (this is similar to the Carthagian coinage, some of which is struck on Sicily by Greek mints). Another parallel is the Byzantine coins which were struck in the fallen Western empire. When Western Rome fell in 476 AD, the next series of coins portrayed the eastern emperor Zeno! On numismatical evidence alone, the misleading suggestion would be that Rome was re-united in 476 AD.

If Fussman is right, the analysis of Attic coin mintmarks as a tool for deciding the king's internal relations may be useless, the mintmarks referring to separate entities which could have struck coins for several kings simultaneously. Furthermore, the absence of Attic coins for a king - such as Strato I - may be as much a chronological feature as a geographical. --Sponsianus 11:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Hi PHG!

I hope you excuse me for having sounded a bit frustrated - I was, actually. I used the Bopearachchi chronology for the Indo-Greek chapter of my book, and now I am at a loss as for what to do. Since it's a popular history book, I much appreciated having a coherent "storyline"; now I guess I'll have to rewrite the account.

The problem is that you are right in that there is no more modern, coherent system developed yet. Does Bopearachchi himself comment on the cracks of his older chronology in the article you recently mentioned?

Anyhow, what if we simply antedate Hermaeus to 100-80 BCE, move Heliocles II down to 95-85 BCE, Diomedes up to before 100 BCE (late 2nd century, western territories), and then possibly adjust the reign of Straton I (130-105 BCE) and Philoxenus (105-95 BCE) to get a coherent reign in the east? Hermaeus should be described as the last major Western king, not the last whatsoever.

Then we have a modified version of the Bopearachchi system with the obvious obsolete points painted over. I assume this does not break the Wiki code of not submitting original/controversial research. And after all, the chronology of the last kings is a rather minor point on this comprehensive body of work on the Indo-Greek culture.--Sponsianus 15:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Sterling remake of the site. Now we can be more free to apply suggestions on the pages of the respective rulers, while the table offers a backbone. I have only one objection: you have reverted back to the earlier story of Heliocles I ruling in the Kabul valley after he was dethroned from Bactria. I thought we agreed that this was an artifact, and that in fact it was Heliocles II who overstruck Straton & Agatokleia?

I'm into a very interesting discussion on the Hellenistica group. My counterparts have given me lots of suggestions for literature, but it seems that few of them have read Bopearachchi at all! I reckon the language barrier fractions this very interesting field of research. How's the nomination going? --Sponsianus 19:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Imperial Japanese Navy
Yep, I'm a Jap, living in u.k. Hmmm, I may be a troll but I'm probably a right kind of troll (if such thing ever exist). I usually assult any page which is somewhat having contextual problems, such as Talk:Friends of the Western Buddhist Order, Talk:Buddhism or Talk:White Australia policy/Archive 1. I enjoy the debate here which, in someway, is arbitrated by wikipedia policy. I think people in Buddhist article is (reluctantly) coming around to the idea that the article should be shrunk by isolating denomiational issues. It's so weird because they got to that mess by everyone trying to be nice to each other. One place where I'm being a right kind of troll is probably in Japanese war crimes related topic such as Yasukuni Shrine or Talk:Nanking Massacre or Japanese war crimes. Is it me or something but I think, on average, japanese tend to act more irrational than Chinese whatever the case of their argument may be. They have very poor communication skill beside their poor engrish. FWBOarticle


 * I'm not used to using JWP format. Let me know if you want to communicate in Japanese. No, there is no such thing as a good troll.  There is such thing as good competitive debate or being  bold with editing. I take the view that vigorous debate/edit ultimately produce the best result provided that wikipedia policies are adhered to. I don't endorse "restrictive Editing policies" but I endorse clear editorial directive.  I don't know. I may be gravitating toward Dark Side of Sith. However, I found that only other trolls respond in kind. Jedi type just leave me alone.  So in some way, it is all fair game. In Buddhism, there were quite few passive-aggressive, "you have to be nice to everyone" type trolls. I'm bit worried about Eequor though. Thanks for pointing out.  I sent her a message.