User talk:Perfect4th/Archive 4

Question from Emma knows it well (13:29, 25 June 2023)
Hi, thank you heaps for your guidance. I've been editing some profiles over the weekend (mostly updating information for people that I know through my professional and hobby (chess) activities). I noted that profiles for some fairly well known Data Scientists and chess players are missing. Whom do I ask/suggesst to make a profile for them? Is it ok if I write up a profile and upload for those who currently do not have a profile? Thank you heaps for your guidance. Emma --Emma knows it well (talk) 13:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi,, and welcome!
 * The short/incomplete answer to your first question is that you don't have to ask anyone else specifically to create an article. On Wikipedia, such profiles are called articles. Creating an encyclopedia article is very difficult on Wikipedia, especially for newcomers, because there are a lot of policies that have to be followed. Wikipedia articles:
 * have to be about notable subjects (subjects that have received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources)
 * have to be verifiable (the information in the article should be traceable to its sources)
 * should be written in a neutral point of view (neither try to look the subject look good nor bad, but simply report facts as indicated by the sources)
 * Because there's a lot that goes into creating an article, it's recommended newcomers start with other contributions and get a better handle on how the encyclopedia works prior to creating one (you can find some editing suggestions on your homepage). If you still would like to create an article, you should keep the three policies I linked you to earlier (notability, verifiability, and neutrality/neutral point of view) in mind and read this page, which guides you through creating a draft article.
 * To go back and further answer your first question, a good resource for asking about new articles can be the talk pages of WikiProjects. Wikiprojects are project pages for groups of Wikipedians who share similar interests and discuss them there; they can give you much better advice on specific person notability than I can. The talk page is the discussion page for such a group. Some of them are more active than others, and some are more specialized than others, so you may have varying luck with questions. It looks like the Chess WikiProject is pretty active; you can find the talk page for that here. I wasn't sure what would be the best page for your other interest, but you can look up any WikiProject from this page. One more note about asking on those talk pages: many of the people there can be pretty experienced in that editing area and tend to think others might be too, so if you specify at the beginning that you're a newcomer you may get more helpful/detailed replies. And of course feel free to ask me any further questions you might have! I know this can feel like a lot, but I'm happy to help with any questions you have. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 04:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This guidance and knowledge is great. Especially for newcomers like myself it allows us to learn, and understand how to use the correct language for a neutral and reputable view point.
 * I have a question regarding the Savile Row page. As this is my industry and know quite a few Master tailors from The Row for the last 18 years content in which I thought was reputable from sources such as BBC, Daily Mail and Guardian have been deleted from another contributor. They have classed it as promotional material. However researching on other pages I can see links to reputable media companies supporting content within the article. Whats the best way around this. Do you have any suggestions on what is as they class as "soapboxing" vs informative content? Rose-Alicia (talk) 11:39, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Ltomama (02:19, 16 July 2023)
how do i do things --Ltomama (talk) 02:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, ! I’ve left a welcome message with some informational links on your talk page. Did you have a more specific question? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 02:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from MichelleNW (18:06, 17 July 2023)
Hello! I would like to contribute to Wikipedia with a new entry for Tyl by Natwest. Tyl is a franchise of NatWest and offer payment processing and card payment solutions. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NatWest page mentions Tyl by NatWest. Additionally, Tyl has just partnered with Apple to launch Tap to Pay on iPhone in the UK: https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2023/07/apple-introduces-tap-to-pay-on-iphone-in-the-uk/. I feel like Tyl is a strong enough business to have its own business page by now - thank you! --MichelleNW (talk) 18:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, ! Your username sounds connected to NatWest – are you affiliated with the company?
 * Subjects of articles have to be notable (by Wikipedia's definition) to be included in the encyclopedia. Any article's subject should pass this guideline. I skimmed the apple.com article and it seems to mention the franchise in passing. Unless you have several more reliable sources with more coverage, I'd recommend expanding the section including Tyl in the NatWest article for now. Let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Rose-Alicia (11:42, 18 July 2023)
Hello, hope your having a wonderful day. I have made some edits over the last few weeks and just want to make sure I am on the right track and I havent violated any Wikipedia Rules.

I am not sure if from your side you are able to see the edits? --Rose-Alicia (talk) 11:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, ! Sorry for the late response, it's been a busy summer. I'm going to reply to both your comments here to make it easier to follow conversation.
 * The source one first: I don't think the problem was with your sources necessarily – the BBC and the Guardian are considered generally reliable in their fields (which is, as many things on Wikipedia, something that needs to be evaluated in every case still and not assumed to be okay – it just gives a general guideline) . I think the concern was more about sections adhering to the policy about how aspects of an article should be covered. The goal is not to spend too much time on smaller parts of articles that are not as related to the direct subject matter.
 * One other comment for you: on Sanditon (TV_series) one of your edits apparently messed with the references a bit, so another editor tried to change it back and I think there was a bit of back-and-forth there. Often editors, especially those who've been here longer, will explain their edits in an edit summary so that other editors don't have to guess at their purpose in it. In this case, the editor later mentioned it on your talk page – you can respond there and collaborate with the other editor on working on that page.
 * Hope this helps answer your questions, and let me know if you have any more! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 05:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Gabbe-ame (13:23, 26 July 2023)
Hi! I need help how do I put colour in the Tables? --Gabbe-ame (talk) 13:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi,, and welcome! This help page describes how to add colors (don't forget to keep the color usage guidelines in mind). Let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:04, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Chilicave (01:34, 1 August 2023)
Hi again! I was editing on the Shaligram page and found a section that I felt conflicted with WP:Undue. I did start a discussion on how to tackle this and a fellow user suggested that a "daughter list" article could be created. How do I do that?

Btw, here is a diff link to my convo in case you need more reference https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AShaligram&diff=1161910908&oldid=1161141886 --Chilicave (talk) 01:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi again!
 * I'm not familiar with any specific policies relating to this – I think you can just create a new article with the name you want and copy the information over (make sure to attribute properly, of course).
 * Great to see you again! Hope this helps, and happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 02:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter #27
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Annual plan for Growth
We shared our annual plan, for the period July 2023 - June 2024.

Our first project of the year will be Community configuration 2.0, which helps editors with extended rights transparently and easily configure important on-wiki functionality.

After we finish work on Community configuration 2.0, we will hope to fit in one of the following projects: Please let us know what you think about these projects on the related talk page, or Growth's annual plan talk page.
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Suggested edits
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Suggested Edits are now receiving topic predictions via the new Language-Agnostic Topic Classification. This change affects non-English Wikipedia wikis. It will ensure newcomers receive a greater diversity of task recommendations. Before, as this feature was a test, English Wikipedia was used to select topics. The change is gradual as lists of topics are refreshed when they become empty. The Research team will evaluate the impact in a few months. 

Starting on August 1, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link":.

Mentorship
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More communities have implemented mentorship. A Wikimedia Foundation data scientist will be looking at the impact of Mentorship. We will look at the impact on Spanish and English Wikipedia. 

The Growth team will also host a Mentoring new editors on Wikipedia session at Wikimania 2023 in Singapore. Workshop attendees will help brainstorm improvements to Growth’s mentorship features.

Positive reinforcement
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Community Configuration 2.0
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Question from Phuochuu1997 (02:51, 7 August 2023)
Hi, I've added a new article. May I know how could I improve it? --Phuochuu1997 (talk) 02:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * , if you provide more information about what you created an article about I might be able to help more. It looks like there were concerns it was similar to advertising? You can reply by hitting [reply] next to my response. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 05:24, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: Japan-South Korea relations
Hello, I just made a recent edit, and you reverted it, sending a message to me that it was "less neutral". Is there a reason why this is the case? I am assuming it's because I used the term, "military aggression". If that is the case, I can remove that portion. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:300:FE00:39D0:3A56:A071:61 (talk) 04:54, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, IP user! Yes, the term "military aggression" is not very neutral unless sourced to reliable sources. It's not a very egregious wording given the history there, but still technically not quite worded as it should be without a source. The rest of it looked fine, though. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia!
 * Also, a couple tips: a) you can to sign posts on talk pages with four tildes, which makes it easier to reply. Also shameless plug incoming , you can create an account to more easily edit and keep track of conversations with people, as well as other stuff explained on the account page. It's free, fast, and requires nothing more than a username and password (you can add an email if you like for password retrieval). Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:02, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

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Happy First Edit Day!

 * Already? Again?? Time sure does fly. Thanks, it's much appreciated! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 02:02, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter #28
Welcome to the twenty-eighth newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations



Community configuration 2.0

 * Community Configuration 2.0 is a feature that will enable Wikimedia communities to easily customize and configure features to meet their unique needs. This approach provides non-technical moderators with more independence and control over enabling/disabling and customizing features for their communities.
 * Technical approach and associated tasks are detailed in this Epic task on Phabricator.
 * Initial designs are drafted for two different approaches (see images). We will soon demo interactive prototypes to interested admins, stewards, and experienced editors (T346109). Please let us know if you have feedback on the design approach, or want to participate in prototype testing.

IP Masking

 * The Growth team has been working on several updates to ensure Growth maintained features will be compatible with future IP Masking changes. This work has included code changes to: Recent Changes (T343322), Echo notifications (T333531), the Thanks extension (T345679) and Mentorship (T341390).
 * Before December, the Growth team will initiate community discussions with the goal of migrating communities from Flow to DiscussionTools. This move aims to minimize the necessity for additional engineering work to make Flow compatible with IP Masking. (T346108)

Mentorship

 * We assembled some resources for mentors at Mediawiki wiki. This resource page is translatable and will be linked from the mentor dashboard.
 * We are working to resolve a bug related to mentors properly returning after being marked as "Away". (T347024)
 * Half of newcomers at English Wikipedia get a mentor assigned to them. To ensure every newcomer receives mentorship, we need additional volunteer mentors at English Wikipedia to achieve a 100% coverage rate. We also encourage experienced users from other wikis to help newcomers at their own community.

Scaling Growth features

 * We continue the deployment of the structured task "add a link" to all Wikipedias. We plan to scale the task to all Wikipedias that have link suggestions available by the end of 2023.
 * We plan to scale the new Impact Module to all Wikipedias soon, but first we are investigating a bug with the job that refreshes the Impact Module data. (T344428)
 * At some wikis, newcomers have access to the "add an image" structured task. This task suggests images that may be relevant to add to unillustrated articles. Newcomers at these wikis can now add images to unillustrated articles sections. (T345940) The wikis that have this task are listed under "Images recommendations" at the Growth team deployment table.

Other news

 * We disabled the “add an image” task temporarily (T345188) because there was a failure in the image suggestions pipeline (T345141). This is now fixed.
 * You can read a report about the Growth team’s representation at Wikimania in Singapore here. Growth team members presented two sessions at Wikimania Singapore.
 * After a 2.5 years-long collaboration with Bangala Wikipedia, we have decided to start a collaboration with another wiki. Swahili Wikipedia is now a pilot wiki for Growth experiments.

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November Articles for creation backlog drive
 Hello Perfect4th:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!

The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.

You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Perfect4th, thanks or the compliments for my contribution to the Miroslav Klose page. Unfortunately, FMSky reverted it along with the 67 pages were I added this here as "unneeded opinion". Two hours work deleted within minutes. I won't get into a war to get it added back but feel free to do that if you wish, regards. 90.241.92.227 (talk) 10:50, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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Growth team newsletter #29
Welcome to the twenty-ninth newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations

Community Conversations
The Growth team will host its first community conversation Monday, 4 December (19:00 - 20:30 UTC). The topic for this meeting will be Mentorship.

This first meeting language will be English, but we plan to host conversations in other languages, and about other topics. Please visit the conversation page on-wiki for the details on how to join. You can also watch the page, or suggest ideas for upcoming conversations there.

Impact Module
At the beginning of November 2023, the Growth team deployed the New Impact Module to all Wikipedias. We recently released a follow up improvement to how edit data was displayed based on editor feedback. 

Add a Link
We released “add a link” to 35 more Wikipedias. 

We have a few Wikipedias remaining:
 * German and English Wikipedia will be contacted at the beginning of January 2024.
 * There are a few small wikis that will not receive the task until they have enough articles for the algorithm to work properly.

Community Configuration

 * We shared Community Configuration 2.0 plans with technical stakeholders. 🖂
 * Initial Community Configuration design ideas have been shared and discussed with community members.
 * A basic Community Configuration 2.0 demo is released on ToolForge.
 * Developers can find some initial proof of concept code shared on gitlab.

Mentorship
When a mentor marked themselves as "Away", they were not getting their name assigned to new accounts when they returned. This has been fixed. 

We improved the message received by newcomers when their mentor quits, to reduce confusion. 

We worked on ensuring that all mentees are assigned to an active mentor. This required reassigning mentees with no mentors to a new mentor. We paused this as the clean-up script confused some editors. We will resume it when the identified blockers are resolved. 

It is now possible to create an Abuse Filter to prevent one user from signing up as a mentor. 

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Guild of Copy Editors December 2023 Newsletter
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New pages patrol January 2024 Backlog drive
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