User talk:Peridon/Archives/2012/January

invitation to intervene as a third party (revised)
Peridon,

I appreciate your advice and politeness to date (i.e. with the Doyle article / discussion). I have worked to improve my conciseness and attitude per your request. I have gone to extreme lengths to do the same for Cindy, but she increasingly insults my character, integrity, and even refuses to adhere to the very policies and guidelines she cherishes. I may soon file a dispute request, but I wanted to give you a strong chance to intervene. I know it would be a difficult task, so I ask it in passing. I realize a claim is last-resort, but I have already gone through extraordinary steps to resolve this issue peacefully. Apologies for any perceived hostility, but my latest posts on her talk page (search for "Summary") explain how I'd have to be nonhuman to not be fatigued with her total incivility and disregard for policy. I realize this sounds crazy outside context, and indeed, I'm infinitely baffled. Thank you for any help you choose to offer, but I fear it may not be enough. Squish7 (talk) 22:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Update: I've decided to begin editing the article in a way that I feel adheres to policy even more than the last thing she took down, however, she's in passing forbidden the Philosophy section as I first described it. I don't know what she'll think of it, but I've decided to submit a dispute request if she tries to undo the whole section.  I've lost all hope she'll admit fault, defend her claims in any way, show any sign she's carefully evaluated the context of the references involved, or be able to speak of me without attacking accusations that may as well be direct, childish name-calling.  I will be open to any input or interruption you might offer, but this is a pretty solid decision. Squish7 (talk) 05:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about delay in getting round to this - just got back from 10 days camping. Will look tomorrow (when I've recovered...). Peridon (talk) 18:42, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Matt Williams
Hi, I created this page because Matt Williams is the club secretary acting chief exec at Blackpool FC and lots of people have attempted to find a link to his page via the Blackpool FC wiki but there isn't one. He has an interesting career history which I hoped could gradually be detailed on his page. I have had a message from Wiki asking me to add a reference which I intend to do once the page has been undeleted - www.blackpoolfc.co.uk - which shows the names of the senior management of Blackpool FC. Please can you help? I'm very new to this so am keen to put right whatever the issues are, thanks, Hannah — Preceding unsigned comment added by UpTheMightyPool (talk • contribs) 11:30, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to read WP:BIO and WP:RS before I would consider undeleting. (Someone else might - different people work differently...) The club's site is not a reliable source (RS) so far as notability is concerned - it would only show he existed. Club secretary isn't a particularly notable position, unlike manager (but not all managers - the manager of Downby in the Swamp Football and Outdoor Water Polo Club wouldn't be notable, for example, as no-one outside Downby, Sunquern and Wetleigh has heard of him) (BTW, the game they play depends on the depth of water on the pitch...). For any bio, there must be reliable coverage in independent sources, and there must be evidence notability for the position being notable outside the club (and Blackpool - and I don't just mean Lytham or Woodplumpton). See what you can come up with and get in touch again. Peridon (talk) 18:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What about the Kemptville Rugby, American, Canadian and Association Football Club? They play a different sport depending on how much of the field has been lost to snow AND the condition (oval or round) of whatever ball is available ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 21:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Jeremy Shore
Just wondering why the article was deleted, it does hold significance as he is a well-published health expert. Since then, he has had articles in various magazines in Australia and Singapore, as well as helping develop the "Tidal Wave Training" device. He is very well known in the health community, possibly a minor celebrity due to his various television appearances, even being a guest on the South Korean version of "The Biggest Loser."

Also, it may seem like I am just him trying to advertise, but I assure you that I'm not. I'm an avid user of wikipedia, and I made this account when I realised that Jeremy Shore did not have any references on the site, let alone an article for himself, which was surprising how much of an influence he has on the subject of personal health.

If you are not willing to reconsider undeleting the page nor realise the significance of his achievements, could you please send me a copy of the article such that I may post it where people may find true sources of information on the world's leading health experts.

Cheers Jermeyshore (talk) 21:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not at all sure that a "holistic strength coach" counts as a health expert. That term usually applies to doctors and scientists. 'Holistic' is usually an indication of 'fringe'. There is nothing in the article that suggests notability to me - and no independent reliable references to show anything more than existence either. Please see WP:BIO and WP:RS. If after reading those policies you think you can make an article, bearing in mind that appearing on TV doesn't necessarily make one notable, and nor does friendship with someone allegedly famous, let me know. If not, I'll mail you the text if you haven't kept a copy. As it stood, it would be OK on LinkedIn or AboutUs (where references are not the norm), but not here. Peridon (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Shalini Boland
Regarding the deletion of Shalini Boland and all her book pages.... what if I used independent reviews as sources? Also, I don't think she's self-pubslished.. I listed the name of her publishing company. Just wondering what types of sources you will accept. Goodfellow408 ~.
 * See WP:RS. She is self-published, by the way. Two books listed on Amazon - one published by CreateSpace (Amazon's self-publishing arm), and the other by Creative Adrenalin, which is the name of her husband's business (and counts as self-publishing). When dealing with authors, look on Amazon for the name of their publisher, OK. Then check it if you don't instantly recognise it. (CreateSpace, AuthorHouse, lulu dot com, and PublishAmerica and variants thereof, are all self-publishing and don't need checking.) If it's only got a short list on Google, look at the names of the people who own the thing. And how many books published. There's a lot that are 'published' by 'companies' that have only one or two titles on their list. Probably really done through lulu etc, but with a marketing name to hide the fact. In any case of S-P, very good reliably sourced reviews are a help. Newspapers, magazines and so on. Not the local rag - they put in anything local. Preferably available online, but technically not essential. (Best if things can be checked - we get some right nuts at times. One chap claimed he'd sold thousands of his great work that was published by Oxford. Really self-published, about 80 pages, and available on Amazon for download only at over £100. Yeah, right....) A good tip is that being available on Amazon indicates existence but not notability. Amazon will list almost anything they don't have to buy in stock of. But a 'currently available' book NOT listed on Amazon is highly suspect as being not released yet, or non-existent outside the author's mind, or published only through the author's site (not the way to get great sales or notability...). Peridon (talk) 15:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Siiiggghhh you are correct. I feel foolish for being duped by my 'sources.' I read her latest book randomly, and thought it was amazing, and wanted to contribute by making sure her and her books have a wikipedia page. But alas, not yet, unless millions of others discover her like I did. Well thanks for giving some tips to a noob, I appreciate it. Deleting all the pages... Goodfellow408 (talk) 05:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Li Shengshun
I have added the anime where the character is from, and I will have to work on the reference, I still have a draft saved, so i will work on completing the draft first, then i will critically review it to see if it good enough to be made into a article Kusaga (talk) 16:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

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English words with unusual properties
why was English words with unusual properties deleted

allegedly, the information on it has not been lost. where do i go to read it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.35.112.206 (talk) 19:01, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing I deleted was a redirect. The actual page was English words with uncommon properties. The info is now at User:Squidonius/English words with uncommon properties. Peridon (talk) 22:20, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Article: Jaume Cañellas Galindo
This is one of the best child psychiatrists now living. The older article has been deleted due to reasons that the last translation ( Spanish Wikipedia ) no longer exist. The previous two attacks for deletion have been aggressively offensive (difamatory) and shows a special interest by Catalan separatists (Independentists) to attack the character. Surely because is a defender of universal human rights and equality in the world (especially in Spain). The character is a human rights activist in the world of psychiatry and child and adolescent. Spokesman of various organizations on childhood and adolescence and leading figure in the promotion and dissemination of mental health of children and adolescents throughout the world. Especially in the Spanish-American countries, where it is a referent in psychiatry and mental health. The character is a philanthropist, activist for the rights of children and non-profit organizations and Ambassador for Save the Children Spain. If such prominent figures like this do not deserve an article in Wikipedia, as we maintain the quality ? Surely we must improve the translation, but not delete it. --Winterfree2000 (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ...and you posted the same at WP:REFUND. Try WP:DRV ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 22:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Please Undo my deleted article U.Sagayam
(Repeat of deleted article removed) Please sign talk page posts with ~. Thanks. Also, when contesting a deletion, please do not repost the text of the article. It has already been read. What we need is additional information. Please look at WP:BIO and WP:RS, where you will find (probably) that your subject does not meet our standards for notability. There are many people in the world who are good people, or who have done a job well, but they are not of note by our policies. If you think you can make an article that fits our requirements, let me or another admin (or regular editor) know, and we will advise you. Peridon (talk) 10:48, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Request to undo my deleted article on 'Kyazoonga'
I had tried to create a wiki on 'Kyazoonga' couple of days back which now stands removed. I'd like to contest its deletion under section A7 of the speedy deletion criteria. Kyazoonga is India's first company to pioneer the concept of online ticketing. Its model has since been adopted by several multiplexes across India.Its success story has been talked in several articles such as this. Moreover, stories of similar startups in the online industry such as [|snapdeal] and flipkart have found a place on wiki. Hence,I feel kyazoonga would be a good addition to have on wikipedia gikki (talk) 08:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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Fadzilah Kamsah
Please provide justification of why you speedy delete Fadzilah Kamsah. He does clearly passes WP:N, do refer to here, here, and here for sources. Sure, it will be a bit tough to find western coverage for a Malaysian people, but that's a reason to try harder, not throw it out. Hoping that you will undelete the page, or I will bring this to WP:DRV. Thanks.



Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:21, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There's nothing in the article that suggests notability by our standards to me. He's got degrees, he's set up a business. Nothing shown there to be out of the ordinary. He was named "Tokoh Maal Hijrah" in Selangor - without any article about this and no explanation, we cannot know what notability this confers. It's presumably higher than Queen of the May and less than Nobel Prize. But that gives a very wide range. Please take it to DRV if you feel I've made a mistake. Oh, and by the way, when quoting from Google searches, it's best to copy the target page URL from the URL bar of your browser after opening it. That cuts out all the Google junk and gives us the actual URL. Saves a lot of space and looks much tidier. Thanks. Peridon (talk) 11:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

User:Ennea369
The IP that asked for deletion on this page appears to be the user who owns the page editing while logged out; see their contributions. If so, they can theoretically ask to delete their own page. Calabe1992 17:14, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I won't delete unless they are signed on so I know who they are. Only take 'em a moment to sign in and make things certain. I've left them a message. Peridon (talk) 17:17, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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Igor Volke
Any chance you can send me the deleted contents of Igor Volke? (I'm assuming/hoping it wasn't like, one sentence long...) — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 08:58, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Err - "Igor Volke is the most famous Estonian ufologist." and a ref to http://www.ohtuleht.ee/index.aspx?id=320138. It doesn't seem to have been any better at any time. Peridon (talk) 18:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * *facepalm* One sentence, it's like I knew it. Well, thanks. And for the record, he's not the most famous, he's just one of the two only that exist at all. Ha. (I'm considering creating the article...) — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 18:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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User talk:Fictus factus
OK Peridon, enough's enough. Call me a nice guy one more time and I'll block you. Grrr! Drmies (talk) 05:24, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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Bluebaron
I think the warning you gave fell on deaf ears. It's back. --  role player 00:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not now it ain't. I've protected it, too. Peridon (talk) 00:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Aren't you even a little bit tempted to let the user in question hang themselves with their own stubbornness? I have an evil streak, which is probably why I'm not an administrator! --  role player 00:19, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Point. One re-creation is hardly 'repeated'. You need a bit of an evil streak, to see through the hoaxes and recognise the carefully disguised spam. If you're as pure as the driven snow, you might believe User:BloggsvilleSteel that he had no intention of promoting their new line of cut-throat razors ("greener than throaway blades!!!"). Peridon (talk) 00:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, compared to you I'm a real nice guy, haha. Just don't let them catch you in Saudi-America. Drmies (talk) 04:43, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

NNU Class Project - Winter 2012
Please consider adding your name at: School and university projects/NNU Class Project/Winter 2012

Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Stamporama
Hi, I see that you deleted the new page "Stamporama" shortly after it had been created and tagged as a candidate for speedy deletion. I had no part in the original stub being created but was aware of active discussion by the poster and others as to how to improve the aricle and in so doing to demonstrate that the subject met the criteria for retention stated in the boilerplate "candidate for speedy deletion" tag.

I request that this page be restored for at least a few days to allow the OP and/or others to create an article that provides useful information to users and demonstrates the importance of the topic. Thanks, Nigel Campbell (talk) 02:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry - I can't restore it. Apart from the notability issue, it was a copyvio of the Stamporama website. They'll have to start afresh with new wording, and in userspace headed DRAFT. They should look at WP:RS and WP:NPOV, because without coverage in independent sources it'll sink, and enthusiasm is regarded as promotion. Peridon (talk) 11:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

deleted page
Hi I'm attempting to create my first wiki page and within a few minutes of me starting on it you have deleted it ! The british caravanners club is a section of another club which you already have on wikipedia namely the Camping and Caravanning Club I would appreciate it if you can restore my page or atleast afford me more than 10 minutes to create it and edit it to make it conform with the requirements of wiki Many thanks ukwebb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukwebb (talk • contribs) 20:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I know what it is - and that wasn't why I deleted it. I'd advise reading WP:SPAM and WP:NPOV before rewriting it completely - (except the bit copied from the CCC article). Your bit read like an advert, I'm afraid. May not have been the intention, but that's what it looked like. It wasn't, perhaps, a copy of your section's blurb in a CCC thing, was it? If so, that's another reason for it to go WP:COPYVIO. Don't think I'm against your section - I'm in the CCC myself. But your wording MUST fit NPOV, and not look like SPAM. And it must be referenced by WP:RS reliable independent sources. Not CCC or BCC sites - outside stuff. I'd also suggest creating it at /DRAFT and then asking for advice. Most regular editors or admins will be willing to give an opinion or advice. Peridon (talk) 21:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Thats fine - I had litterally pasted two sections from our website into wiki, before you had deleted it I did not have any time to actually do any editing of the document, I was reading into how to put a logo on there and when I came back the page had gone! A little more time for new users would be appreciated, You - i guess - use and edit wiki all the time - i dont - it takes time to discover how to add and change things - for example it took me 10 minutes to discover what [ [ and ] ] does

I appreciate the non-spam element, and the fact of 'copied' text from the CCC is natural as the BCC is the Caravan element of the CCC. The History of the BCC is separate to the CCC although conjoined. I would like to give the BCC a precence on wiki and as it is its own entity it doesnt want to be part of the CCC page I am planning to include references to relavant information etc to give people trying to discover the BCC and what it is a fair chance If you feel that this needs to be all on the CCC page as a 'section of' then will do that instead -  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukwebb (talk • contribs) 23:37, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What I advise you to do before writing - and it must be rewriting as I said - is to see if you can find the refs for the BCC. Plenty for the CCC, but are there for the BCC? If there are, it could well stand alone. If not, then a section at CCC would be best. Peridon (talk) 12:14, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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