User talk:Peridon/Archives/2013/July

Dignify
Could you please dignify my reply with an answer? Thank you. Greenbd (talk) 11:00, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Please note Peridon's comment above that he is away from computers for a few days and unable to respond. --MelanieN (talk) 16:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. He's back now... Peridon (talk) 16:06, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Pollilur
Hi Peridon

Pollilur is back as. I've opened an SPI, but there is apparently a software problem causing it not to display at the moment. - MrX 14:06, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You've put it at Sockpuppet investigations/Pollilur, but the master is Polllilur. I've explained this while noting that I've indeffed this sock. If only he'd listen, and produce stuff that fits here, I'd be happy for him to get unblocked. Trouble is, he doesn't enable email - and I'd hesitate to email him anyway for certain reasons. Peridon (talk) 16:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Dennis has moved and merged. Peridon (talk) 16:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks and sorry about the misspelling. - MrX 16:06, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

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My article
Regarding my article for Mesosilver. The article is purely informational. There are hundred thousands of such articles for many companies that has been created and creating such articles doesn't contradict Wikipedia policies. If there is any sentence that you see as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion" please let me know and as I'll be rather willing to change it.

I have written this article after reviewing other such articles for different companies and I believe I have used a neutral language. Greenbd (talk) 13:31, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The main reason I deleted was the lack of any show of notability (WP:CORP). The references given were all press releases or similar, apart from a yellow pages entry. None of these can shoe notability. Please see WP:RS. Promotion doesn't always mean "Special offer!!!!! Buy two for the price of three!!!!" type stuff. The bulk of the article was a listing of the products, again with no indication of notability (and leaving me puzzled as to what the heck it was all supposed to do...). A product lis like this is commonly regarded as being for promotional reasons, but it would have gone for lack of indicated significance anyway. Peridon (talk) 16:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * As you have agreed with me about the article not being a blatant promotion, it's not a subject to speedy deletion IMHO. Can you please restore the article, and I'll address the issue of notability when such discussion will be initiated. Greenbd (talk) 06:35, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Not so. The issue of significance was raised by my adding A7 to the original reason (and A7 is a reason for speedy deletion if significance is not shown), and to my mind, there was an advertising intention as well - so I left that on as a reason. As I actually said above, 'Promotion doesn't always mean "Special offer!!!!!"'. The article would need rewriting, in my opinion, to get away from the impression that the products are being promoted, and a fresh set of references would definitely be needed. Press releases and such cannot be used here to show notability, and nor are directory entries. Please read the policy I referred to above. As to my not replying, I posted a note at what was then the bottom of the page to tell people that I was not going to be online until some time today. I am now back home. Peridon (talk) 16:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think most articles about the companies on the Wikipedia will include a list of product the company produces, right? Lets take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9 for example, that is an article about Nestle. Do you see it as promotional?
 * I'm currently addressing only the issue of promotion. If you have seen something different in my article, that is not included in the Nestle article, please let me know and I'll certainly change it. I have striped to write an informative, and not a promotional article about the only company in the world that produces colloidal forms from such a big number of different metals. They are also 3rd/4th company in the world regarding colloidal silver production. They do operate in FDA registered facility under cGMP. Greenbd (talk) 16:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not assured of any actual benefits of their dietery supplements, so I opted not to enter into this area. However, as for the mere listing of the offered products, I did include them. Greenbd (talk) 16:16, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The Nestlé article isn't really relevant - WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - and it is not written on behalf of or by the company. (You may not be associated with Mesosilver, but it came over as if you were.) I am addressing the issue of notability, by the way. Without that, there's not going to be an article anyway. PR whether Public Relations or Press Release stuff cannot support notability. Without adequate reliable independent sourcing, we're wasting our time. If you have a talk with MelanieN (who answered your post below), you might find her willing to help. She's good at rescuing. Peridon (talk) 16:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not working for Mesosilver. Why do you say I sound that way please?
 * Wikipedia's purpose is to introduce the sum of human knowledge. I'm interested to write articles for all of the three/four leading colloidal producers to expand Wikipedia in this regard. I certainly think that 3-4 largest world producers in the area of colloids are notable to be included in the Wikipedia. What do you think?
 * Regarding WP:RS issue, it's not a policy. The policy is WP:V. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS doesn't mean that there should not be fairness. I have seen articles for companies that are sourced entirely to their own commercial websites and no one changes or deletes them. So using published press releases is a welcome step in my opinion towards verifiability. Greenbd (talk) 13:45, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * RS tells you what is and isn't regarded as acceptable. Other articles don't justify this one. Tell us which and we'll deal appropriately with them - bearing in mind that some were here before policies and procedures changed. If you're so sure that your article is sound, repost it. Press releases only establish that something may exist (but not always...). They cannot establish notability. I've done all I can to help you understand why it was deleted. If you still think you're right, post it again. You're quite free to. Peridon (talk) 17:23, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Peridon, and thanks for the "referral". I have reviewed this subject and am currently discussing it at Greenbd's talk page. I have reached the same conclusion as you: the subject is not notable. I see that there was a previous article about the parent company, which was also speedy-deleted as not notable. I am trying to explain to Greenbd about criteria for inclusion in an international encyclopedia. BTW I will be mostly AFC (away from the computer) for the next week-and-a-half, so please save any more referrals till after July 13. --MelanieN (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm away again next week too, from the 9th or 10th. Back on 15th or 16th, but might have access at times in between. Peridon (talk) 17:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for allowing me to repost. Greenbd (talk) 07:33, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * FYI, Peridon, here is the rest of that story. --MelanieN (talk) 06:04, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting. While trying to AGF, I had a distinct feeling both of COI and that someone wasn't really a newcomer. Thanks for your efforts, anyway. Peridon (talk) 10:39, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hear ye! Hear ye!
Peridon is likely to be unresponsive for about a week. This is because he is going to be there not here, and there might not have the facilities that here does. There again, it might, so be careful... Peridon (talk) 20:55, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Have fun there! Howicus (talk) 02:18, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Sexual Jihad
Hi peridon. Please restored Sexual Jihad article. I will respect copyright.Basharzad (talk) 08:23, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note the post just above this one: Peridon will be away for a week. If the matter's urgent, try contacting another administrator.  Howicus (talk) 15:23, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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Deleted articles
Dear Peridon

I had created two pages..one was about a cause and to create awareness about that cause and you deleted it. Could you please let me know why and if there was an issue why wasn't I given a chance to rectify it?

Considering that day is just around the corner and awareness is important. I did mention in the article that more details would be added ...I would request you to restore the page and please let ne know the issue so that I can resolve it along with modifications.

My second page simply had one word as draft (again set aside for modifications) as I was going to write that after I completed my previous one and that page had been deleted too without giving me a chance.

I have seen so many pages on Wikipedia where people have written single sentence and never modified them.

I don't say that I intend to do so but please restore my pages and especially the content so that I can work on them asap especially because dates are very close for the cause I am writing for.

Looking forward to positive reply soon

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiepoonam (talk • contribs) 06:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Please add new threads at the bottom of a talk page (as it tells you at the top of this one), and sign your post with four ~ things. Thanks. OK. We don't have 'place holder' pages. There are some very brief articles called stubs, but they have to show notability just as all articles do. Yours didn't. The one about the event - that's a different matter. You are worried about getting it up in time - that confirms to me that it is promotional in intent as well as in appearance. Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion. There is no point in restoring the Doctors Pulse article as there is no content, and the event one would need a complete reworking anyway. There is nothing to prevent you from trying again, but I recommend most strongly that you read WP:COI about conflict of interest (editing about subjects you are very close to) and WP:SPAM. Also, read WP:RS(reliable independent sources). I can't find any sources at all on Google for these things. WP:NPOV tells you how to write in a neutral manner, and WP:GNG tells you about notability. Peridon (talk) 10:09, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Dear Peridon

I think you are biased. .Why did I even think you would help. ..

I am worried about CAUSE not event...please get your English right. Yes I want that to be up and running in time for the CAUSE not for any promotional reason. If you can prove that it is for marketing purposes and not because you are biased I promise I will stop working for the cause. ..its people like you, who don't understand what a cause is and why it is run and most importantly think everyone is there to make money, who ruin the purpose of the cause. Its also people like you who want to be mr. Know it all and don't wish other people to progress or be aware so that they can be helped.

Mr.know it all. ... if this was marketing you would have found promotional materials being sold on it, on Google. I am sure everyone understands that promotional material cannot be created and sold so quickly.

You did not even care to go through my entire request and didn't even help me get my material which I had posted.

I know you are going to delete this as this is going to hurt your ego but I do have to say that it's a shame to have people like you around who don't know and don't even wish to know importance of what they had deleted. If at least you had tried and had asked for clarification it would have felt that you care about society.

I pity elements like you.

Take care and keep on showing your importance to those who air your ego

Deep regardsHiepoonam (talk) 11:07, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * See Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. JohnCD (talk) 11:13, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Of course mr john cd..the talk stalker. ...Wikipedia is here to air your ego not to post articles or create awareness....you are absolutely right. .Happy? Hiepoonam (talk) 11:24, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hiepoonam - you said
 * Yes I want that to be up and running in time for the CAUSE not for any promotional reason.
 * Why?? If you don't want people to find out about it (which is the same thing as promoting it, which you said you are not interested in), why is the timing important? In the English language, "marketing" and "promotion" can also apply to non-commercial causes. People who put on e.g. charity events need to market them, and there is nothing inherently unsavoury about that - it's just really not what Wikipedia is for. --bonadea contributions talk 18:13, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, Hiepoonam, Wikipedia is not here to "create awareness" - see WP:NOTPROMOTION #5: "Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so." JohnCD (talk) 20:03, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Bonadea...self proclaimed English teacher. ..and john cd.....when Wikipedia accepts and promotes as articles of the day like Renin.... that is called marketing. . Making people aware of singers dancers is accepted by Wikipedia but not the cause. ..WOW....

First of all once again for you guys is not event is a cause. .... you guys didn't even read what it was and are arguing about it. .. how intelligent. ...then you don't even read the entire answer and start to act smart again. .

Thanks for your advice but no thanks. ..I'll use any medium I choose. ..be that forums or Wikipedia.

Once again if Wikipedia can be used for singers and actors and list is endless. .. that is marketing them. ..WHY... they don't even need it.

Wikipedia even posts meanings of the words. Well my dear there are dictionaries for that. .. why Wikipedia then

So please before you stick your head into this again. .be aware of what was posted else keep out of itHiepoonam (talk) 21:11, 20 July 2013 (UTC) What a nice thing. ...Wikipedia has announced plans of its foundation. ..read tge signpost of 17july above...I wonder why would they announce it here and not on a forum. ..mr Smart....Hiepoonam (talk) 21:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * JohnCD is an administrator, as I am. He will have read the deleted material. MelanieN will have searched for references - if she can't find any, I doubt anyone can. Until there are references to show notability, there will be no article. If there are references, and it's written like it was, no article. End of story. Just one more thing - please don't change headings in a way that takes them out of the page index. I've put it right again now. Peridon (talk) 21:38, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Finally. .Peridon speaks....WOW

But only to defend not to answer. I challenged you to prove and I'll leave the cause itself. In regards to restoring the article. ..IF ONCE AGAIN YOU HAD READ, I didn't expect you to.

You are administrator and so is john... good. . Could you provide a notable reference for the same except that you and John state it on your page. ..

I responded to them because they chose to stick their head in it. How do I know they have read it. ..I think they are your fake id's. In regards to changing I didn't change anything I am typing from my phone ask you darling stalkers and so called admins

Try reading instead of giving commands with your eyes closed. By the way I still haven't found a notable reference for Wikipedia foundation plans and is still here. . How come you haven't deleted it?

I didn't and I don't expect you to help and I said that long before. . So stop trying to be superior and bully. ...PERIOD
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers/sysop&limit=2000 Goodbye. Peridon (talk) 09:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

This is again Wikipedia not a notable source as per Wikipedia rules. ...you again didn't read properly....get lostHiepoonam (talk) 09:45, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

User:Khalid Abbas-Cinematographer
I noticed you deleted the user page of User:Khalid Abbas-Cinematographer, and while I was trying to figure out why it was on my watch list (I still don't know) I came across this in my contribs list: User:Khalid Abbbas-Cinematographer. It's from the 15th of this month. I didn't mark it for deletion at the time because I try not to be bitey, but I guess it may qualify. -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  13:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it's User:Khalid Abbas-cinematographer that was deleted (small c). I've deleted the one with three bs and blocked it - it's just spam for himelf (exactly the same stuff). Strictly, I suppose the later one is the sock, but as this one is spelt wrongly I've blocked it and not the real sock. Seems like he went from large c and three bs to small c and two bs. If he posts it again, he's likely to be blocked on that one too. I do wish people would spell themselves correctly - I think Polllilur made a mistake when he started up, and then used Pollilur as a sock possibly to correct it. There again, maybe not. Does make life difficult at SPI. Peridon (talk) 17:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Deleted Private Lives (band)
After a significant time away from Wikipedia I was looking at updating this page only to find you had deleted it. Can you reinstate it so that I may edit the page accordingly? Would be greatly appreciated... and would appreciate any guidance with regards to ensuring it remains in-tact. I'm not quite sure why it was deleted. The reason given isn't clear to me.

Thank you...

User:freq_ghost —Preceding undated comment added 03:59, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It was deleted because it didn't show any notability for the band. It was also unreferenced. It's now at User:Freq_ghost/Private Lives (band). Look into WP:BAND and WP:RS. It should be safe from the patrollers in your userspace as it's not spammy and presumably not a copyvio. Peridon (talk) 12:07, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Request to Delete Rockingham County Botanical Garden
Hello Peridon, can we have the page below deleted? The garden no longer exists. Is our only option to change the article to say that the garden no longer exists? Thank you, Lynnmwth http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rockingham_County_Botanical_Garden&oldid=565624713
 * The Hanging Gardens of Babylon no longer exist, either. If this were a directory of gardens, there would be a very good case for deletion. It isn't. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and we do record many things that no longer exist. Your only chance for deletion is to show that it wasn't notable in the first place. It's quite all right to put in that the RCBG has departed - but I advise adding a reference to prove it. (Not a bad idea if you could add a reference to show that it was there in the first place while you're at it. You obviously know something about it. Look at WP:RS.) By the way, the "nowiki" "/nowiki" things are a bit of coding that enable us to display the code for something without it actually operating. If you type just four ~ things it will put your signature up. If you put the nowiki things in, it will display the four ~s not the signature. It just looks better to put ~ than to put " ~ ". OK? I sorted the heading marks, but I can't sort your sig as if I type the ~s in it will put my sig up and people will think I'm talking to myself... Peridon (talk) 09:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Peridon, thank you for your explanation. Thank you, Lynnmwth interpreter.webmaster.editor.photographer.poet.writer.singer.closer (talk) 20:34, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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Gone missing
There is definitely no chance of getting an answer from me to any problem before evening time (UK time) on Tuesday. You stand a good chance of an answer from a talk page stalker, however. Most of them know more about what's going on than I do anyway. Peridon (talk) 22:29, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Why?
Peridon, may I know the reason for deletation of the page Oriental Gadgets? Page Link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_Gadgets — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.218.165.59 (talk) 07:00, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. Look at WP:WEB about notability for websites, and WP:RS about reliable independent sources. You have to show why the website deserves a place in an encyclopaedia. Anything can get into a directory, but we're not a directory. Not everything gets an article. The ages of the founders are somewhat against the site passing, as is it only being up for three months. If you can prove it is notable, then let me know. Peridon (talk) 15:06, 30 July 2013 (UTC)