User talk:Peridon/Archives/2013/May

Um, no.
Sos, he should LOOK at your edits.
 * Looks like the above posts have been dealt with in my absence. Peridon (talk) 11:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

What to do?
What do you suggest we do with pages like User:Kakan_dihra..they are not vandalism.... I just couldn't find any criteria applicable..hehe...Cheers,  TheStrike  Σagle   11:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Also please see One shot dozza...I am unable to decide a rationale for this!  TheStrike  Σagle   11:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was just beaten to the button on dozza. Correct tag (hoax) in my opinion. The user page? Leave it. Looks harmless and barely comprehensible anyway. Keep an eye on his edits, though. If that's his standard, competency will become a question if he edits anything in article space. Peridon (talk) 11:28, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh sure.....Unfortunately, a good number of Indians have the same proficiency of English..  TheStrike  Σagle   11:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Landlet and the extra space
&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 16:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

FairyFly Article
Want to work on it with me :) JC (talk) 19:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done a copyed and shifted stub to the bottom. I've also moved the Nana article to nana which is correct capitalisation - genus has cap, species name doesn't. You carry on - I'll look in and tidy up no wand then.... 8-) Peridon (talk) 19:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Tbagletsbeef
You need to ask our American friends for enlightenment on some of the outlandish problems their idioms can generate. I had to research this one. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I suppose some of ours are as bad - here a fag is smoked and a faggot eaten... (Neither by me, I hasten to add.) Peridon (talk) 22:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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Details please?
On my talk page could you perhaps give me some details about Alzheimer's disease and prions (why it was requested to be deleted)? I have been trying to keep track of the output of the classroom assignment this article was a part of. It is article number 67 there. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 22:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's good to know. That assignment was too geared towards creating new articles anyways in my opinion. Hopefully I can reduce the professor's emphasis on that aspect of the assignment for Fall semester. Biosthmors (talk) 22:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

re: Banned or blocked (no, not you...)
czar  &middot;   &middot;  23:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Block Special:Contributions/Galindez9623, please
Please block Special:Contributions/Galindez9623 with expiry time of indefinite, because the user was contributed changing musical genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.171.179.55 (talk) 15:39, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think they need to be notified a bit more yet - and I'm no expert on music genres either. I know what I like to listen to, but not what many things are called. Sorry not to help, but when they've had a level 4, take it to WP:AIV. Peridon (talk) 15:44, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Declined CSD of Caloocan City Business High School
While the article reads a bit like an advert, I disagree that speedily deleting it is the correct approach here. If you'd like to have the article removed, please bring it to AfD. L Faraone  17:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Assi Nabbe Poorey Sau
It was the planned remake of a Tamil-Telugu bilingual film, but failed to take off. that is why i proposed its deletion. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:10, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. Is it a notable failure? Two possibilities. Yes - it should have an article. No - AfD and give good reasons or the 'include at all costs' brigade will have a nice time. Peridon (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Home Front
Hi Peridon Thanks for looking at what I thought was a problem on the 'Home Front' page and going the extra mile by examining the 'Home front during World War II' page. After all the kerfuffle, I realize your advice regarding adminships and so forth was spot on and I will follow it.

Thanks again. RASAM (talk) 21:04, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hardly an extra mile... All I did was look at Home Front and see no edits. So I looked in your contribs list. Bingo! (Tricks of the trade...) 8-) Peridon (talk) 21:17, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

History of Santiago Swallow page
Hi, I am asking you since you are the one that deleted the hoax Santiago Swallow page (it is now a redirect to Kevin Ashton, the inventor of Santiago Swallow). Anyway, I was wondering if there is a place on Wikipedia where I can still find the original Santiago Swallow page, preferably with history and all?

00prometheus (talk) 13:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not on view that I know of. There is a little store of hoaxes for study purposes, but I don't think that would have been put there. It's a hoax against society, and the stored ones are hoaxes against Wikipedia. It's not been thought worthy of an article in its own right, unlike San Seriffe and a few others. If you don't mind me asking, why do you want it? Peridon (talk) 16:14, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Horse shampoo
You !voted Delete on WP:Articles for deletion/Horse shampoo, believing the article to be a hoax. Given that Mane 'n Tail's website specifically states that their products were originally developed for horses, and only evolved into products marketed explicitly for people after grass-roots human usage, I believe that the concept is not a hoax. Clearly, the article as written (and then rewritten and re-deleted at Shampoo for horses) was possibly a coatrack for linkspam, but do you believe there is an article to be had in the concept of a product originally marketed for animals morphing into a product for people? WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No. I voted delete either as artspam or hoax. I didn't have time to look at the link to see which. If you think something notable exists there, and can turn it into something worthwhile, go ahead. It's less what it is - more how well covered it is. Peridon (talk) 18:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Something odd here - I've just restored the redirect. I don't remember deleting that and can't think why I would do it. Must have been an accident. Peridon (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Jewisharted
It looks like you forgot to actually unblock after you accepted the request. Or is there something else going on? Daniel Case (talk) 13:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done that before... Doing the accept (which I don't do nearly as often as I block) feels like unblocking. Thanks. Peridon (talk) 14:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Another Polllilur sock
Hi Peridon. I happened to spot another old battle article done by a familiar name: User:REY DE LA ATLANTIDA. I remember that "King of Atlantis" bit from when we were dealing with the hoaxes of User:Seringapatam. I don't remember how or exactly where he used it, but I remember google translating it. ;)  INeverCry   21:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

British Druid Order
Hi Peridon, I'm rather new to this Wiki-malarkey, and have no idea whether I'm posting in the right place or to the right person. I was looking for an article about the British Druid Order today and found that it no longer seems to exist. Wikipedia seem to be suggesting that it was deleted by you. Having searched your activity log (I think), I can find no evidence of this being the case. Any idea what's going on? Thank you for your time :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DruidWolfPack (talk • contribs) 15:04, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Peridon: I was alerted to the British Druid Order article having been taken down, and you came up as the person responsible. I can no longer see the original page, so I have no idea what to make of the charge of unabashed advertising, but I find it unlikely. Anyone whose favorite color is octarine(a reference to Terry Pratchett if I'm correct) I would think would be more sympathetic to Druidry, modern or otherwise. Can you be more specific about why it was taken down and what it would need to merit re-posting? Thanks. Asherah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.226.202.87 (talk) 03:53, 15 May 2013 (UTC) BTW tried to sign but didn't understand the technique. Asherah
 * It wouldn't work - it's tildes ~ not dashes -. OK. Sorry for the delay - I'm away and couldn't get on line for the last two nights. It woz me wot done it. You wouldn't find it, as it's a deletion and it doesn't show up in my normal contribs. It was promotional (enought for deletion to my mind, though I've seen worse), and it also was referenced to a letter (not acceptable, as not verifiable - published collections of letters maybe if considered reliable), and to a book published by the order (neither reliable nor independent). See WP:RS about reliable independent sources. Yes, I am a Terry Pratchett fan, and have nothing against Druidry (or any other religion so long as it doesn't try to interfere with mine. As to promo - the worst case I've seen was one where I never found out what the company actually did. The PR people had had a field day and every other word was a buzz word. If someone wants to try again with an article, I've no objection. Just get some RS references first and let me know. I can restore the article so long as you tell me when you are going to do something with it fairly quickly. (Our patrollers get everywhere...) A good person for rescue work is User:MelanieN, but she might be still away. We'll see. Find the refs, or it wouldn't survive anyway. Peridon (talk) 18:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm back now, so I can help when needed. --MelanieN (talk) 18:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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Cable Nightclub
Hi there, Cable recently closed and I'd like to write an article about it, it's significance in the london/global club scene and detail it's sudden and somewhat unlawful closure.

I searched for the clubs page and it told me to contact the person who denied it's significance when someone had tried to create one previously.

So now that I've contacted you, what do I do?!

Cheers, PP — Preceding unsigned comment added by PandaPuss (talk • contribs) 09:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. First you read WP:GROUP or WP:CORP depending on whether it was an club owned by the members or a club like Manchester United which belongs to someone. Then, read WP:RS about the reliable independent sources needed to prove the notability. This might be easier now it's gone, if there's controversy about what went on. Then create a draft in user space - at User:PandaPuss/DRAFT. Fairly safe there. Finally, ask for an opinion. Peridon (talk) 18:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help I've started writing it but having a bit of trouble with the citing/referencing part. Not really sure how it all works. Sorry!

Any help much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PandaPuss (talk • contribs) 09:15, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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Sergei Spytetsky
Can you speedy this again? It was recreated. I was about to prod it, but speedy will do. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

not sure
where the problem is - I did sign the rfa vote... sats 01:26, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FBilby&diff=556740282&oldid=556739661 do you see something different? sats 01:30, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * well if its like anything to do with scripts/ my firefox browser - I have encountered some weird things sometimes its not even worth worrying about - sterange things happen 0- sats 14:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Unblock request for 71.46.222.254
Hello, and thanks in advance for guidance.

You denied the unblock request for IP account 71.46.222.254, and I wanted to follow up with some of those issues without adding another unblock request to the talk page. The issue with emails is that it takes an email account to create a Wikipedia account. I'm not allowed to have kids access their email (There are some odd AUP restrictions in my district, and the people in charge of these things have some antiquated ideas. It's a pain!), so the kids can't create accounts in the typical way.

I understand that Wikipedia needs to protect itself from vandalism, and (I checked the edit log) the vandals from my district have been particularly juvenile, but there has to be a way for my kids to add their contributions to Wikipedia without being tarred by the same brush as those other kids. Is there anything they can do without an email address?

I understand that this might not be your area, but if you could point me in the right direction to someone who might be able to create a "classroom" account for my kids to use that doesn't require an email address, it would solve all of our problems. Thanks again for any assistance. Dante brevity (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to me. (You'd be amazed how many 'teachers' and 'professors' request unblocking - usually badley speled at that... It's a version of WP:BROTHER, of course.) Don't they have emails of their own outside the system, out of curiosity? Anyway, someone who does a lot with educational work is User:Anna Frodesiak. She works a lot with Chinese students, so I doubt that you could throw anything at her that she couldn't cope with. If she can't help, or isn't available, come back to me and I'll see what I can dig up. Peridon (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I think User:Bobrayner managed to create an account for each student with no emails. He made them and then sent a list of them with accompanying passwords to the teacher to cut into strips and hand out to each student. Does this sound like what you need? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:00, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That would be ideal. Can I create the accounts myself without an email address? I know I'll have to do it off site, but I was under the impression that email would still be required. I will try when I get home this evening, and see how it goes. (I probably should have tried before now, but end of school year + new baby daughter = tired teacher). Thanks for your guidance, Anna Frodesiak and Peridon. I'll let you know if it works.


 * BTW, yes, many of the students have private email accounts, but accessing private email on school computers is a big no-no. Also, I'm working with underprivileged students and a lot of them have no internet access outside of school.Dante brevity (talk) 17:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi! I'll reply here, since this where the discussion is, but will give a heads-up on other people's talkpages. Have fun; bobrayner (talk) 02:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Creating different accounts for different people is the way forward. Sharing an account is a Bad Thing; sharing an IP address has its own disadvantages.
 * An email address isn't compulsory when creating an account, but you'll have trouble resetting a password without one, and password problems are never far away when trying to enrol a group of students into any system.
 * Dante brevity, if you are able to create the accounts, I would strongly recommend that you do this. You might be limited to 6 per day though. (It's limited for most people because, apart from students, multiple accounts are often used for mischief). If that limit is a problem, I could create accounts for you (I don't have that limit), but I would need some way to send a list of credentials to you privately (ie. your email address).
 * This isn't really comfortable from an IT security point of view, but hey, it became uncomfortable as soon as we started considering enrolling a group of people.
 * I would strongly recommend that you get in touch with the Education Program. Very many groups of students come here to edit; there are some common pitfalls and some common things we can do to help.

Page Deleted - Imlee
Hey, You have deleted the Imlee, created by me on wikipedia. I am new to the platform and put up an article which i found missing. Also, i checked the guidelines and wrote it from a neutral point of view. Alos, I checked other articles like Zomato, Quikr and accordingly structred my article to avoid any problems. Can you please resolve my query in regards to the deletion and also it would be great if you could help with the edits so that I can write the article on wikipedia.

Thank you in Advance. Mansi2988 (talk) 09:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC) Mansi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mansi2988 (talk • contribs) 09:49, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but it wasn't neutral enough. Read WP:NPOV. Apart from that, there are other problems. You need to read WP:CORP if you are writing about the company, or WP:WEB if it's the site that is the subject. That's about notability. Not every company or website gets an article. This is an encyclopaedia, not a directory (or, dare I say it, social media...). I'm not happy about the references, either. You need really independent, reliable sources. Those look rather like subject supplied PR type stuff, and they are rather promotional. See what you can find (after your reading homework...) Then have a word with MelanieN (see 'British Druid Order' above). She's a good rescuer. Peridon (talk) 14:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the reply. I will do the needful as explained by you. Thank you for all your help, Mansi2988 (talk) 07:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC) Mansi Sheth
 * Hi, Peridon. Mansi asked for my help, but I have nothing to look at. Might you consider userfying the deleted article to them so we can work on it? Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 14:36, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Peridon, did you miss seeing this request? Or is there a problem? Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry - it's now at User:Mansi2988/Imlee. Had a very heavy few days and forgot. Peridon (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll see what we can do with it. --MelanieN (talk) 18:22, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Hello sir. Thank you so much for the deletion of user sub pages of mine. Have a nice day. Regards, Raghusri (talk) 07:36, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Frank Munoz
I did not make frank Munoz (producer), I only made redict because first article was made on Frank Munoz redict page. User Despro made article. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 07:36, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Userfying of article
Hi Peridon, you recently deleted an article Chair4Care. The user who created it accidentally saved it rather than previewing it resulting in a bit of kerfuffle that resulted in them being given an NLT block. As they're a newbie, I'm trying to help them get unblocked and move forward so they can work on that article in peace. Would you mind userfying that article for User:Nnamdjou? Thanks. Blackmane (talk) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As he has also made a (deleted) apparently self-promo article, and Chairs4Care returns four ghits (three of them Wikipedia, and the other rather odd and apparently a forum in the Phillipines), I don't really see much point. (Mr Namidjou only returns 109 ghits himself.) The site listed in the article doesn't come up in the Google search, but it is up (at a free hosting site, I think). As to my deletions, in the last two years or so I've deleted at least 25250 (some of them by author request, of course), and I've only seen about five at DRV (and they went again, as I recall). Up to you. Have a look into it, and if you really want it, I'll userfy it to you. Peridon (talk) 14:31, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not intending to work on it, it's just a gesture of good faith to a new user. I'm kinda hoping that once he starts working on the article and tries to make it conform to wiki standards that he'll realise the requirements. It's more constructive that way rather than being thrown a lot of alphabet soup and lectures. Blackmane (talk) 15:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Good faith is one thing - I've userfied quite a few things (and some of them never got touched again...). This one looks so totally non-notable that I think it kinder to save wasting his time working on it when it's going nowhere. He'd do better to promote it elsewhere, where promotion is allowed, and build it into something actually of note and then come back in a year or two when there are some independent reliable sources available. Not the registration with the State authorities, the own site or a forum. He can't understand that while ADA is notable, not everything that deals with disabilities is too, and that being a registered non-profit gives no right to an article here. When I find something that looks hopeful, I give advice on what's needed, and sometimes get MelanieN or another rescuer in to work with the editor. I can't see him getting unblocked until he calms down and stops ranting. That doesn't help his case at all. Peridon (talk) 15:19, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a fair point and something I also noted to him. I did point him to GNG and RS as well as clarified the rationale behind the deletion, emphasising strongly that there was nothing personal about the deletion. Like many new editors who see their work flushed, he was understandably upset but it is an unfortunate side effect of being unfamiliar with WP's policies. I've been trying to point him in the right direction so hopefully he'll see the light. Blackmane (talk) 15:36, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

FYI: Spammer
I asked the CUs to see if it is feasible to apply a range block on the spammers you posted about on WP:AN. All of the copying and pasting of the account names showed me another indicator that it is somebody's spambot. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think I've seen it too, now the rest are there. I suppose they do make money out of it. I knew someone whose daughter found had been sending off money for prizes in things she'd never entered - and had sent off thousands over several years - so there really are people that fall for these things. Me, I never click adverts (well, once only, by accident, fifteen years ago...) and distrust every 'recommendation' and in text link. Peridon (talk) 09:53, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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