User talk:Peridon/Archives/2014/January

You Cunt
You deleted my page about the glorious battle concerning the Taliban, The Nazi's and myself. Please could you clear up the reason this legit page was deleted. Caolán Roche-Davidson
 * OK. It was a load of total bollocks. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a free webhost for you to post fantasies on. If you can produce references complying with WP:RS that show you were posting legitimate, factual material, I will consider them. If you want to do real editing, I suggest you read WP:PRIMER. Peridon (talk) 16:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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New Draft
Peridon, a few weeks ago you helped me by pointing out some articles that could help me make a better draft for what I'd like to contribute about. You said "create your draft at User:EMlass/DRAFT, and then ask for advice. I'll put you onto someone who is good at rescuing things."

I have now finished that draft and would love some advice now! Thank you in advance for your help. Emlass (talk) 19:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * OK... It's a bit promotional in wording, and not really encyclopaedic - "surmounted many obstacles before making the decision to create a lasting, meaningful legacy" for a start. I'll ping my friend User:MelanieN who will, I hope, take a look at User:Emlass/DRAFT too. Do listen to what she says. In the meantime, read WP:PEACOCK about the way you shouldn't word things. BTW - I might well have said create it there - oops! I've moved it to the correct draft title and it's now in your user space. An odd capital letter in the wrong place can sometimes cause problems. 20:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)Peridon (talk)
 * Hi, Peridon. I took a look at the draft. My comments are at User talk:Emlass/DRAFT. --MelanieN (talk) 15:33, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow. That's more or less what I thought, but you put it far better than I can. Peridon (talk) 16:29, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

How can you have a copyright issue with something that I WROTE and am LICENSING ON MONDAY?!
On the Douglas L. Peterson page.

How can you say something violates my own / my firms copyright. I will be getting the license from the company on Monday. You deleted it prematurely (something it seems you are known for)

I'm finding this to be a blatant attempt to allow our competition a page but the CEO / Chairman of another. I will be filing a report. Your actions are NOT unbiased, and frankly it seems you have a poor history with this site.

I also will be filing a stop on my credit card donations. It seems the bias around here is exactly as more news sites report.

Rustysurfing07 (talk) 17:28, 4 January 2014 (UTC)


 * To be precise about it, if you do not have the licence today it is a copyright violation today. When you submit permissions correctly to use the material then the issue goes way. It will be a shame that you are stopping donating over this, but you have an absolute right to donate or not. I;d rather see Wikipedia lose a donation because IT has upset you than because an editor has upset you, but life is unfair. Fiddle   Faddle  17:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've pinged and {{ping|VernoWhitney]] on Rustysurfing07's page and here now. As I've pointed out there, I haven't any idea who the competitors are as I'd not heard of the company in question until this afternoon - and without looking things up can't even remember what they do. With copyright, it's not who, it's the rules. Peridon (talk) 18:24, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

The horse and the cart
Thanks for pointing out my little mistake. Seems I mislaid my glasses yesterday... The RfA has been closed in the meanwhile, so I can't fix it anymore. Cheers Kraxler (talk) 13:36, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

jonathan king
Hi, i feel that several items on his page have no place on wiki, and i have labeled them as such for senior editors to decide. Can you follow the rules and state why thye should be saved, not simply remove the tag please, thats the correct way. If they decide they stay then they stay. I personally think 3 musicals that no-one has ever heard off have no place on wiki. Thanks, no offence meant.(Dave006 (talk) 18:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC))
 * I am an administrator, and I am telling you that you are tagging with an inappropriate tag. See note on your talk page. We don't have senior editors, although as one who has worked in the deletion area for over five years, 2.75 years as an administrator, I am senior enough, I suppose. If you go on applying the wrong tag, someone is likely to block you. If you think something is non-notable, take it to WP:AFD. Don't tag it for lack of context when the context is quite clear. Personally, I detest King's music and don't know the ins and outs of his downfall enough to have an opinion on his guilt or innocence, but as an administrator I do know the speedy deletion criteria. Peridon (talk) 18:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

sorry my bad, its an a7 not an a1, I will change the tags. Didnt ment to offend, im new, hope you understand. Thanks Dave006 (talk) 18:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks mate, appreciate the help. I will TRY an dread the rules, but they are so spread out? Is there a suggestion forum or similar, as Wiki should follow on-line games way! New user has to complete a short introduction with various task before they can post for example. That way we learn before messing up. Also shouldn't be able to edit articles (talk pages yes) until member for 30 days for example, again to make sure we learn. Just a though. Thanks again. (Dave006 (talk) 12:31, 8 January 2014 (UTC))
 * There's the Wikipedia Adventure for beginners, I suppose. Don't like the sound of it... As a sort of forum, there's the Teahouse WP:TEAHOUSE where you can ask about things. You could suggest the pre-edit tasks at the Village Pump (Proposals) WP:VPP or (Ideas) WP:VPI. Another source of info is the Primer WP:PRIMER. Some other boards are WP:VPT for technical problems, WP:VPM for stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else, and WP:AN plus WP:ANI for the major dramatics to happen at. AN means Administrators' Noticeboard, and the I is for incidents, but anyone can post there. Wikipedia is a bit like an iceberg - there's a hell of a lot underneath. Otherwise, people learn by making mistakes, I suppose. It's very difficult to seriously damage the encyclopaedia as everything is saved somewhere (more than one somewhere at that). Ordinary editors can remove stuff from articles, but this is easy to revert. Administrators can delete whole articles, or 'hide' (revdel) edits. Admins can see everything deleted or hidden. If it's really serious, there is Oversight - restricted to a select and highly trusted few - and only they can see the stuff they hide. But it's still there underneath. When newcomers make mistakes, they get tipped off, then warned, then if they don't listen, they may get a short block to give them time to read things. Things progress to 'indefinite' which is somewhat equivalent to 'at Her Majesty's Pleasure'. Even those who are indeffed are still part of the community. Banning is usually a community decision reached on a drama board, but can be from the Foundation or the Arbitration Committee. You won't get involved with most of this. Stick to the Teahouse and Village Pump. Peridon (talk) 12:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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Peridon
I wanted to ask you if you could remove Almonroths real name and where he lives because due to the security concerns. My fellow patroller SamX did the same to me. He asked a administrator.Allied Rangoons(talk) (talk) 21:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a bit different for Almonroth - he actually works for the WikiMedia Foundation, the body that hosts Wikipedia. He is Global Communicatons Manager, so I thing he will know what are and aren't security risks. Most of the WikiMedia employees give their real names and a contact email, and they have two accounts - one with (WMF) after it for official communications. Quite a few are admins here, but not all of the, - Matthew isn't. There is no rule that people cannot say who they are in the outside world. Some do, but I don't. I work behind two or three pen-names, and sometimes as myself - but I keep that separate from my work here. When someone is young - under 16 usually - we do try to keep identifying information off their user pages, Anyone who is definitely adult (like Matthew), we only get involved when they are posting a CV (resume to Americans) and have no other edits. That isn't allowed, and gets tagged as advertising. When people only work on their user page and do no other editing, that's time to have a word with an admin. Regular editors that have built up their user page over quite some time (like mine) are OK. Mine is humorous and shows what I am like. (I once told jokes to an audience for half an hour while someone fixed the electrics so that we could go on and play our set...) But I don't say who I am (or who I have been) or anything that could be regarded as advertising. There are some links to articles about performers I like, but I'm not in any of those bands and haven't been in them (and probably won't be in them in the future either...) and haven't even played alongside them or seen them live. OK? Unless someone says "I am called Ervin and I am 9 yrs old and live in Squishy Bogg WA" or similar, leave them to it. Peridon (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

answer
I'm sorry, but I mean that I am deleting accounts because they do not exist and have not given any contributions. I am going to politely ask, are you a admin?Allied Rangoons(talk) (talk) 21:05, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, and so is Malik Shabazz who also queried what you are doing. Are these your accounts? And did you know that accounts cannot be deleted? If these are not your accounts, they should be left alone. If they are, why have you created them? Peridon (talk) 21:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, they are not my accounts. I have accepted your request. I am sorry. I have no experience. I am truly sorry.Allied Rangoons(talk) (talk) 21:15, 12 January 2014 (UTC) Also if you would kindly teach me a few things as Inter16 has to me?Allied Rangoons(talk) (talk) 21:18, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * OK - I don't do formal mentoring, but I'm almost always willing to answer questions. Most admins and regular experienced editors will answer questions too. Don't always expect quick answers. We might be in very different time zones, and we do have lives outside Wikipedia. Peridon (talk) 19:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Koroli Page Deleted
Dear Peridon, I am not sure why this page seemed like unambiguous promotion. Koroli is a hillstation that is coming up near Mumbai, MH, India. And the first construction there is happening of a resort called Green Courts. It is just like many other hillstations who have pages on wiki (Nearest and a popular one is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonavla)

This hillstation is a much anticipated one in this geography and they have started putting advertisements for it.

I am not associated with the location promoters in any way. I read about it in newspapers and saw their banners somewhere in the city. In my point of view, it would definitely help people to know that something like this is coming up in their state which they would visit in the future.

Please review your deletion or suggest how I can get it approved since this is my first wikipedia entry and I thought I did everything right to get it set. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gradtamu (talk • contribs) 09:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * With wording like "a vision to provide a Green Living Experience to its customers" and "unique amenities", it looks like a PR piece. We don't "help people to know that something like this is coming up in their state which they would visit in the future" - that is promotion. We record things of note, not the up and coming. Lonavia seems to have a distinct history, and to be well established. I am not very happy about the way that article is written, and I am considering what to do about it. But, the existence of one article doesn't mean that another article should exist - WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Please read WP:GNG about general notability, and WP:RS about the reliable independent sources needed to prove it. Also, read WP:SPAM and WP:PEACOCK about how not to do things. Peridon (talk) 12:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok Peridon, I will rewrite the article after reading more rules. But I dont agree with some of your points like "help people to know that something like this is coming up in their state which they would visit in the future" is promotion. It is just information to be given out and just like other hillstations, even this one is going to be a notable one. Only because there's not been much establishment there does not mean people should not have knowledge about it. Lonavala looks established because many people have edited that article since many years. But someone would have taken the first step to start it with a short information correct, on which people built more info blocks? And there were independent references I had added too. Those phrases came from those references. I will remove those phrases now according to your instructions. Gradtamu (talk) 19:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * -- Hi, I'm here because I'm reading up on the backstory behind the Koroli article. There are glaring problems with the Lonavala article, too, so I wouldn't look to it as an example of an ideal article. Promotion is promotion and needs to be removed from Wikipedia. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't mean the article about Lonavla is established - I mean the place has a history. It's an old hill fort site, and other things like that. Remember we are NOT here to tell people what is coming. That is not the job of an encyclopaedia. We don't give out information on everything. Things not yet notable have to wait until they are. For spreading information, you can use PRWire and Facebook. They don't require notability. (PRWire may require to be paid - I can't see them being free...) Peridon (talk) 20:54, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Dear Peridon and Cyphoidbomb, When I wrote upcoming, I didnt mean theres nothing yet. It is already a hillstation which is ready to have tourists and visitors. And it is being developed more by the Government and agencies. It is not as developed as Lonavala and hence I wrote upcoming because there is much development happening. And Peridon, even this hillstation has a lot of interesting places in the location - I need to add more to the page as I research around. If you suggest, I will update the article to remove the word upcoming. I am still learning how stringently each word is checked.Gradtamu (talk) 10:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * There are probably loads of hill stations - are they all notable? It's up to you to show that this one IS notable - notable by our standards, that is. Peridon (talk) 11:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

My signature
Greetings. I know that you were not being really serious, but my sig is in red (which can be changed in preferences) so that if I look back through an old thread, or scan down the comments in an RfA, for example, it is easier to retrieve my edits!--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 12:27, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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Merge histories
Hello Peridon. :) I need your help, because content of the article aeromobil is lost when Draft:Aeromobil was renamed in Klein Aeromobil. It should have first been merged with already existent article, and then removed. The draft was created because I unintentionally posted a copyvio on that page. :( However, I heard that admins can merge histories, so can you please do that for me? Thanks,  Alex discussion ★ 20:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's only an admin thing, but I haven't the foggiest idea of how to do it anyway... Sorry, it's not a thing I've ever needed to do (and no-one asked me about it in my RfA to my great relief). Peridon (talk) 22:14, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:40, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Help with article move mess
Hi, Peridon! Can you help straighten out a mess at a page that has been moved multiple times during AfD discussion? (I wish people wouldn't do that.)


 * The original title was Alcohol without liquid. The discussion is here: Articles for deletion/Alcohol without liquid.
 * During the discussion someone moved it to Alcohol inhalation.
 * The nominator then moved it to Inhalation of alcohol vapor.
 * Discussion seemed to favor moving it back to Alcohol inhalation.
 * Someone announced that they had moved it back to Alcohol inhalation, but it appears they only moved the talk page, which is now at Talk:Alcohol inhalation. I have no idea how they were able to move the talk page but not the article page.
 * Meanwhile the original article is still at Inhalation of alcohol vapor. It should be moved to Alcohol inhalation but there is a redirect page in the way.
 * Would you mind deleting the redirect page Alcohol inhalation and then moving Inhalation of alcohol vapor there?
 * Any cleaning up any other messes you find in that trio of names? Thank you, my friend! --MelanieN (talk) 19:40, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was fast! Thanks! --MelanieN (talk) 19:44, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I think everything's where it should be now. Peridon (talk) 19:46, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've changed the redir at Alcohol without liquid to target the current title of the article. Peridon (talk) 19:53, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of Brian Barnett
Hi Peridon, yesterday you deleted the article Brian Barnett per ("A7: Article about an eligible subject, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)". IIRC this was the 3rd—or was it 4th?— time this article was deleted. Some of its "authors" were blocked for this yesterday, specially user who also uploaded the image  and who is blocked indefinitely for this. Now the article was, let's say, once more recreated again with exactly the same content as before by some new username who is likely (wp:DUCK) another instance of the original author. User tagged it for deletion again. Is there a way to create-protect this article? Cheers - DVdm (talk) 08:09, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The two other articles under this title were about a Canadian sprinter and a minor league player. Different people. I'm adding a prod2. Peridon (talk) 12:32, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah... so they got redirected to Bryan Barnett. That explain things. Thanks. - DVdm (talk) 13:19, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If anyone is considering starting a WP:SPI, may I suggest they also include User:76.26.162.8, who has edited the current article and whose previous work was mainly an AFC for an article about Brian Barnett under a stage name. --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Checking the block, I see it's a mere username block, not a blocked-for-edits block; as such, editing under a different username is not an offense, so no SPI needed. --Nat Gertler (talk) 17:20, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Eva Haller
Hi there! Eva Haller is my first big article here! The user Ireneshih (talk) marked her with no significance stated for an AfD. She is an Honorary Professor, the Board Chair at numerous non-profits, including Free the Children, the largest charity in Canada, amongst others, so I don't understand how she has no significance?! I saw that you posted on Ireneshih's talk page, as I have. The AfD for my article has been up for a while now, without Ireneshih or anybody else commenting on it or making a decision. Could you help? Many thanks United191 (talk) 07:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * OK. Honorary positions are not necessarily notable. You have plenty of references, but I'd suggest reading WP:RS (again if you already have...). Too many of your refs are not independent, or are listings, or in the case of her husband's obit, don't seem to be about her. The AfD will be up foe seven days, and if people haven't !voted (the ! is because it's not a head count), it'll be relisted as there is no consensus (one all at the moment). See what you can do about refs, and talk to MelanieN who is good at digging things up and knows what's what at AfD (see above post...). I think there's a fair chance, but the refs do need improving. Actually, 'significance' is the standard for speedy deletion. It's notability at AfD - WP:BIO. And coverage in good sources. Peridon (talk) 10:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hi! I'm wondering about the Timothy Ball deletion. To me, it's an utter no-brainer that the man is notable. Why can't we have an article telling about him? Best always, Yopienso (talk) 06:57, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Tim Ball
Hi! I'm wondering about the Timothy Ball deletion. To me, it's an utter no-brainer that the man is notable. Why can't we have an article telling about him? Best always, Yopienso (talk) 06:57, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I posted that weirdly so undid it.

All this is undecipherable to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HJ_Mitchell&action=edit&section=new

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Timothy_Ball

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Ball

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Ball

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_January_3

What I really don't get is why WP doesn't have a BLP on Timothy Francis Ball.

On another note, an assignment crept up on me--little sleep past two nights. . . digested 4 long journal articles and analyzed. . . computer crashed. . . amazingly kept my cool. . . did system restore. Do you know "off again, on again, gone again, Donegan"? :-) Yopienso (talk) 07:55, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Wasn't me wot dun it. I just deleted a redirect to a redlink. OK. First link here is a 'make new section' on HJ's talk page (????). Second is a link to a userfied article about Ball. Jinkinson seems to be having another go. I tend to keep out of discussions on academic notability as I think the standards are ridiculous compared to those for rappers and footballers. Here, I think the notable fraud is more important than the notable academic - based on the controversies section. I don't know. I do know I wouldn't have closed that AfD either way. I definitely wouldn't speedy Ball under A7. Peridon (talk) 16:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh; thanks! I misread that as you having deleted the article after it was stashed away in Jinkinson's page. Sorry to say, I don't understand the word "userfy," even though I see it frequently. "Redlink" is simple, and some time ago I realized "redirect" is WP-ese for "re-name."
 * Yes, way back when I argued Ball is a notable denier, not a notable academic.
 * Today I found that this fine doctor is crowing about the deletion; if Ball is so non-notable, why does Connolley take such note of him? It seems to me that he and a few others have a perception that WP is a unique universe that comports with their ideas as opposed to reality. It seems to me they think that since they don't like Ball, if they can keep him out of WP they deny his existence/personhood. Plus, it's a game with some, I think. To me, that attitude militates against the whole purpose of WP. Why can't people who hear Ball speak or otherwise hear of him not be able turn to WP to find out more about him? He's notable. He's not.
 * Best wishes from Grumpy Grandma, whose burning of the midnight oil apparently lowered her immunity to a nasty little cold. Yopienso (talk) 19:00, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No, redirect isn't rename. It's for alternative versions (as when I heard 'La grande tante' and couldn't find 'La grand'tante') or likely misspellings (that aren't insulting UNLESS the insulting bit is actually in the article and referenced). Sometimes they result from a move (=rename). Userfy means move into someone's user space. For some time, it'll be safe from tagging unless it's an attack, spam or a copyvio. Have a talk with Jinkinson. I've been dripping recently, too. Not only me - I've had to do quite a bit of plumbing to stop other drips... Peridon (talk) 19:15, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Zeke Durden
Hi Peridon - forgive my unfamiliarity with Wiki. I'm a journalist trying to track down this meme character known as "Zeke Durden." Apparently, there was once a wiki entry for him, but it was deleted, I'm not sure by who. Is it possible to see what the old Zeke Durden wiki page looked like? And I'm curious as to why it was deleted. Thanks! Steve F. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.80.179 (talk) 20:50, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I'm signing through my account — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockfeather (talk • contribs) 21:06, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * OK. It got created in April 2013 as Zeke Durden, but wasn't thought ready for article space. It was moved to Articles for Creation so it could be worked on, and I deleted a redirect that was left over. No-one touched the article for over six months, and so it got deleted. I'll restore it to User:Rockfeather/Zeke. If you decide you don't want to do anything more with it, put at the top. (Curly brackets) I've taken the AfC stuff off, and the category bit. Peridon (talk) 21:31, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * PS The references weren't thought good enough. They have to be very good for 'internet memes'. Peridon (talk) 21:33, 30 January 2014 (UTC)