User talk:Peridon/Archives/2014/March

101st Troop Command undeletion
Can you please show me the content deleted for 101st Troop Command? (You were the admin that deleted it back in February 2013.) I'm about to recreate it but I want to see what was on the page first before it got deleted. You can copy the content to User:Ahnoneemoos/101st Troop Command. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 01:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I can't. It was a copy and paste of http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/92in-bde.htm (so you can see there what it said...). Peridon (talk) 10:11, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Thank you anyway. By the way, the info hosted at http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/92in-bde.htm is in public domain since it was extracted from https://www.pr.ngb.army.mil/Frames/History/92nd%20MEB.html No worries though, I will re-create the article from scratch since that info is from a different unit.&mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 15:39, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

ANI-notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Carman12341 (talk) 19:52, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Eyeret Priers
Sorry but I have been trying to work out for two hours now what Eyeret Priers are. Eyelet Pliers I assume, but we don't call them that in the UK (do we?) those things you put eyelets, I suppose we would call them rivet pliers (or livit priers).

I am not being at all racist here, I am starting to live in Hungary and I have a hard time distinguishing the different vowel sounds that don't exist in English or rather are not differentiated in English, so that var and vár mean different things and of course I am always asking for sixteen castles instead of sixteen glasses etc. Because in English the vowels are usually slurred (diphthongs) and it is entirely unsurprising an East Asian, who tends to have a very clipped speech and their vowels tend to be very kinda swallowed and hardly heard, the sterotype of course of the Chinese waiter is "wa ya wa" for "what do you want?" but they do pronounce the Ts but very clipped to an English ear. So the "L"/"R" business is genuine even if stereotyped, but since I was accused the other day of "gender issues" when calling a transvestite prostitute "he" instead of "she" because that is what he was at his birth and his death, there's no winning sometimes with these things, I just try to treat everyone I meet with respect. Si Trew (talk) 13:05, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I didn't kill the prostitute. It was up at RfD and I researched it and created a stub. I then kinda got smacked for it a bit, because I had done exactly the right thing of gathering information so that other editors could assess it. Si Trew (talk) 13:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Eyelet pliers is what I call them (in the UK), and those were in the window of a tool shop in Wigan. For me, if someone's a transvestite, they are male but can be referred to as 'she' when in drag. Transsexuals (post-op) are 'she'. Pre-op - depends on the lifestyle. But you're right - you can't win... Peridon (talk) 13:42, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * As to Chinese, in most forms of Chinese syllables end in vowels. The -n and -ng endings that we write are nasalisations of the vowel rather than consonants. Eyeret is odd, because the Chinese tendency is more to turn r into l than the other way round (flied lice). R isn't common in Chinese - and in the old (and stupid) Wade-Giles system was transliterated J. The Japanese tend to turn l into r because their sound is closer to that - so that eyeret is more of a Japanese thing. Clipping consonants off is still common, but the l-r thing seems to me to be dying. (I've gone out with a Chinese girl, but never dated a Japanese. I have been seen on Japanese television, though, or so I'm told. We were definitely filmed by a proper TV crew. I wouldn't know if it was screened.) Anyway, we have trouble with the Arabic g k q thing, don't we? Peridon (talk) 13:59, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh you should have got the pliers, I bet you regret not getting them just kinda to put the label in the toilet in a frame or something.


 * Yeah, I always kinda find it funny when people say "Chinese is difficult". About a billion Chinese people seem to manage it without any problem. In Japanese most end in vowels well are written as e.g. ka ki ku ke ko, na ni nu ne no etc (obviously transliteration) in the Kana, I did Japanese for a years a s a hobby, but to an English ear you kinda don't hear that they say "desu" it just sounds like "des" cos it is so clipped but it is there. As if I could talk, I have a cockney accent so of course even when playing scrabble I drop all the H's and T's.


 * I spent two years in Cairo about thirty years ago growing up, so I can do the g k q thing (I know what you mean those glottal sounds), but yes that is exactly the point. Actually when I was in Cairo I taught one of my fellow students to do the cockney glottal stop, to stop the T so that "hat" becomes "a'". And it is, as you say, the same way about. I don't list Arabic on my list of languages since I have forgotten so much of it that it wouldn't be useful to Wikipedia.


 * My Hungarian wife can't say "Machynlleth", which is exactly why I took her on an excursion for a few days by the sea at Aberystwyth. She has a very pronounced accent and has been a victim of racism a few times by idiots who say "learn to speak English" when she has a GCSE in English and they don't, holds down a responsible job and (they are packed up at the moment but) we have a bookshelf full of reference books on the English, French, and Hungarian languages. Unfortunately, however much you try, some people will always be idiots. Si Trew (talk) 14:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * You might be right about eyelet pliers. I know exactly what you mean, kinda a rivet punch to punch the two halves of the eyelet together on each side of the fabric or whatever. I am just not sure now if Darn Sarf we call them that.... one of the astonishing things in the UK is the amount of regional accents and dialects in a very small area, like I bet you could tell Bolton from Wigan. Maybe we do call them that (it is not something I tend to buy buy the thousands although you can get them at Poundland, where, full circle, they should be called Eyeret priels just to please you) but I dunno now. Si Trew (talk) 16:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Pages about Women and Arts on Wikipedia
Hello, I know that you have deleted the pages about Seraphine Gutekunst recently. Actually, it is a program that we are trying to work on, editing the pages about women and arts in Hong Kong. Seraphine is a Hong Kong based artist and she is notable in Hong Kong. She is having an exhibition now. I think there should be a page about her on wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venuscvm (talk • contribs) 15:27, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please sign talk page posts with ~ . thanks. Maybe there should be a page on her, but all articles have to show the notability of the subject. Please see WP:42 for a simplified version, or the full policies at WP:BIO and WP:RS (reliable independent sources). All biographies MUST have at least one reliable reference, or they can be tagged PROD-BLP, which means deletion after 10 days if the problem hasn't been sorted - this is even if they appear to be highly notable... If you try again, do so at User:Venuscvm/DRAFT (click that and save it). When you think you're done, ask MelanieN to have a look - search box - type in User talk:MelanieN. She's great at rescuing things. Peridon (talk) 17:43, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

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SEOCastell
Their latest unblock request seems to tick all the boxes... what do you think? Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:51, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to be real mean and say "I leave it to you...". There's about 0.5% chance the outfit is notable (pure guess based on the 'article') - what else are they going to edit about? I'm very cynical about a lot of these outfits, but there's only one way to find out... Peridon (talk) 22:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're cruel... Daniel's given them the COI questions, so I'll see how they respond to those. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  10:09, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Those questions are usually the killer. A lot just disappear when the questions are posted... Peridon (talk) 21:31, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Colonel Joe Kittinger. Speedy Deletion thanks (March 2014)
Hi - I nervously nominated a redirect-type page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonel_Joe_Kittinger.&redirect=no for speedy deletion last night. It was the first time I've ever nominated something to be deleted and I wasn't familiar with the process before spotting that situation, so I looked into it and did my best to explain things properly, and cite the correct criteria, and of course create the proper redirect https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonel_Joe_Kittinger&redirect=no and not just point out a mistake w/o correcting it. Thanks for sorting it out! :) JDanek007 Talk  02:16, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I hope I didn't say/write/do something inappropriate by posting this (above) to your user page, Peridon? If I've breached a guideline w/ this message or displayed poor etiquette, please accept my apologies. I just wanted to thank you for carrying out a request that I wasn't sure I'd made via the right channel. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned what may have been a mundane task for you, but for me felt like a big step! lol... Well, take care! JDanek 00 7 Talk  03:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Stop worrying... This isn't my 'user page' (that's User:Peridon. This is my 'user talk page', where people keep posting messages (and insults, threats, and occasionally adverts - none of those get them anywhere at all...). Different people come into Wikipedia different ways. I started by removing some junk from an article, and nearly six years later, I'm removing whole articles. I don't think they'd better 'promote' me any more... If you do a thing in the wrong way, most of us explain what's wrong. If someone's obviously acting in good faith (WP:AGF), we take the time to explain. When several explanations are ignored, we take a bit more action... Peridon (talk) 21:29, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Sorry for being so needy / approval-seeking! I just want to be the best contributor I can be and earn the respect of Wikipedia's esteemed cadre of administrative editors. (So I probably should not confuse 'user pages' and 'user talk pages' again...d'oh!) Cheers!!! JDanek 00 7 Talk  04:42, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Another thing - about admins. Admins are really just editors with a few more buttons to play with, and the ability to look at deleted material (unless the Oversighters have been at it, in which case only they can see it - they're all admins too). We are expected to behave better, and know a bit more - but there are non-admins who know more about how things work than I do, especially when pictures are involved... Admins can be blocked just like anyone else, and in discussions our comment is treated just the same as anyone else's. When someone else is misbehaving, anyone can warn them and threaten blocking - but only admins can actually block them. Take it easy, and ask questions when not sure. Peridon (talk) 16:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

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Joseph Garrett
Please undelete this page, it should never have been deleted. m.e. (talk) 09:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I venture to disagree. However, I'll userfy it for you at User:M.e/Joseph Garrett. Peridon (talk) 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Revoking talk p access
We were edit-conflicting here, and I was more trigger-happy. Even as you were warning that talk p access could be revoked, I was revoking it. I don't know whether you want to remove your warning. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 12:15, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Fairly certainly 'nothere'... Peridon (talk) 12:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Bloemfontein editors
Hi Peridon: A month ago, you userfied The Future Studios. There is also the related twice-deleted Delphi - Execute Files Helper, and I translated and have tried to keep an eye on Hoërskool Jim Fouché. This appears to involve a group of friends, of whom the most active is ShaunRoselt, whose name comes up in the userfied company article and keeps getting added to Embarcadero Delphi and Bloemfontein. He and possibly others study at the school. I see from your response that you suspected some sockpuppetry in ignorance of the rules; I've also asked and given a friendly warning about that, plus since the other article was first deleted as a copyvio and the same text keeps getting reused - including currently as a section in the userfied article - I've also tried to explain about the need to avoid copyright violation. In addition to ShaunRoselt and Delphi Freak, I've noticed and posted to the user talk pages of TheMainMan111, RekenaarMens000, and RaymondNerdawe; I'm not sure Walterheymans07 is related. I'm not linking in hopes of minimizing embarrassment, but I wonder if you could assist me in keeping an eye on these editors, all presumably young; I'm hoping we can keep them as editors and that they won't get into trouble for their relatively mild hijinks, but this is quite a handful and I may have missed some. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:36, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll see what comes up. (I'll re-read that stuff as I can't remember what was going on...) Peridon (talk) 18:48, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Here's a handy-dandy search-link. Currently, the EFH tool is still listed in the article about the particular Delphi compiler-slash-IDE that Shaun presumably users.  Now with a cite to Softpedia download website.  :-)     Most of the Delphi-related tools elsewhere in that article are not cited properly either, so I'll leave it up to you and Yngvadottir to determine whether to let Shaun's tool slide in this case.  (The tool is harmless; from what I can tell; it claims to be a way to speed up writing shell scripts for the local PC, and softpedia runs an AV scan if memory serves.)  Seems like a bright fellow, and Delphi is a very niche language nowadays &mdash; Microsoft poached away the language-designer for C# and derivatives &mdash; so might not hurt wikipedia much.  Or it might be the first stone of an avalanche.  ;-)    Thanks for improving wikipedia, folks. &mdash; 74.192.84.101 (talk) 04:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Stuck in this kafka universe
Hello this is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hikestents22 I have responded to your comment — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.235.56.17 (talk) 20:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello again and thank you for your reply, I have responded to your reply


 * Hello again, thank you for your time and energy, however I think this unblock system dosent really work. If an admin can indef block someone who has only done 8 edits, which were restoring deleted and sourced text, and the admin can block them with impunity it kinda shows a flaw in the system, you seem like an open minded person, perhaps you could look into overhauling the whole system, it seems to me admins have an fantastic ability of shaping articles and excluding viewpoints that they do not like. Anyway just some philosophical thoughts, and yes I know I am not allowed to write here or do anything and I am supposed to just go away :) Anyway just some thoughts. P.S I do not think I will ever be unblocked after my grand total of 8 edits which did not even break the 3rr rules. I think the system is less than optimal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.235.53.162 (talk) 17:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

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Web series removal
Hello i need to regain the information i had on my page that got deleted.

I have sources from YouTube only though and a few magazines.. Is there a way i can get back the info i had before it got deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shazbaz12 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay can you send it to my user space? Shazbaz12 (talk) 15:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi,

I fixed the dead links..

Do you think there is anyway i could get it up still?

Shazbaz12 (talk) 17:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * As it stands, you have a better chance of opening a Bible shop in Pyongyang or Mecca, or of walking up to the White House, telling the guards that you've come to shoot the President, and being allowed to walk in carrying an Uzi in your hand. Sorry, but it would be tagged within a minute, and deleted within the hour. To survive speedy, you must show 'significance' - whatever that is. But for long term survival you have to have some claim to notability based on the reliable independent sources. At present, you've got a claim of existence only. Existence does not equal notability or significance. Mind you, notability doesn't equal existence either, when you consider some of the 'saints' and mythological characters... It's notability we want. If your show was released on a mainstream channel, more chance. YouTube is self-publishing, like CreateSpace is for books. No editorial input, no pre-release review, no publicity machine. It can get your work noticed - if you work at getting it noticed. But that's not what we are here for. If you go for an interview in a relevant field, you can use it then. It can even be used in an irrelevant field, showing you can be a leader, or work in a team (depending on your role). It may get a cult following - but that takes time. We don't record the up and coming. We record the arrived and the past it (who must have arrived earlier...). Peridon (talk) 17:36, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

According to Wiki's guidelines we are able to freely post.. it seems strange that Wiki is restricting the right of anyone to post something that exists..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines

Shazbaz12 (talk) 09:28, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Mrs Bloggs at 36 Acacia Avenue, Little Twittering, Sussex, has an ingrown toenail. It exists. Should it have an article? (Actually, this is a fictional example - the next one is for real.) In the US there's a company making own brand goods for big chain stores. Multi-million turnover, but its name isn't on a single box or can. The Revenuers know it's there, and so do its employees, and the buyers for the chain stores. Not one review in print or online. It exists, but it didn't get an article. Right or wrong? It's the way Wikipedia works. There are no rights to do anything here - despite the open access, it's still counted as a private site. I'm not preventing you from reposting the article - just trying to avoid disappointment and a 'told you so...'. You can post freely, and we can delete freely. If you repost, I won't speedy delete it. Someone else will, unless you get better support than Facebook, YouTube, and a student magazine article that appears to be written by the N'everland project. Talk to MelanieN. She's not an admin, but has a lot of experience and I've seen her turn something around that I'd given up on. Peridon (talk) 11:06, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay, i've contacted MelanieN, i'll see what she can do..

Thanks for your help

Shazbaz12 (talk) 11:15, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, Peridon! I had a look but I'm afraid I can't save this one. In fact I more or less agree with your colorful analogies, above, for the likelihood of this article getting accepted. But who knows; maybe it will become an internet sensation and lead to major coverage. Until then - no way. --MelanieN (talk) 21:01, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah well... If you can't, probably no-one can. Thanks a lot for trying. Peridon (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you.
Hi, thanks for your support vote and also for the follow-up question on my behalf at the RfA today. I'm a little confused how I didn't actually commit a badgering, but I wound up depicted as a badgerer in a future scenario starring Admin Cyphoidbomb. That was weird. Sorry about the sheep skull. If you want another, I know a guy! (He's called a "butcher"). Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Possible VOA or sock
Hi Peridon. Since you're around, can you take a look at this? INeverCry 20:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The name suggests something familiar, but I can't place it. (I know it's gibberish, but people tend to type to a pattern...) The edit means nothing to me, I'm afraid, and they did blank it. Keep an eye on them, though. I'm just snatching some food before going off to bed... Peridon (talk) 20:38, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The blanking might mean they were only interested in the edit summary. If it were me, I'd revdel it because of the full name, but I seem to have misplaced my revdel button. I've gotten hypervigilant about edit summaries through chasing around on Commons.   INeverCry  20:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry to intrude, but I figured it would be easier to just delete it as a G10 attack page, so that's what I did. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 21:11, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That's even better. Thanks. INeverCry  21:16, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I should have thought of that... Peridon (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Assane N'Diaye (singer) ‎
The reason you gave for deleting the entry on the Senegalese singer does not seem valid to me: Yester-day all the material existed -- I checked it. If you are referring to the book reference, please note that sources don't have to be online to be acceptable for Wikipedia. I also had just added a list of recordings he has made. That seems a lot more that a lot of American and German groups and individuals who are not speedily deleted. Please re-consider your deletion in light of these facts. Kdammers (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It wasn't the references as such (although the one accessible one is only really a mention, and describes him as not being successful...). It was that I couldn't see any significance. Having recordings doesn't necessarily make one notable - or even significant for Wikipedia's purposes. I know quite a few people that have recordings, but don't have articles here. You are welcome to get another admin to have a look, or to go to WP:DRV. Or even repost (I'll leave it alone) - but I would advise showing much greater significance both of performer and recordings. Peridon (talk) 19:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

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Speedy Deletion of Custom Combat Trucks
Page nominated for single deletion. Given continued time to update page, (without toddlers running around and screaming and "helping" write the entry) the significance would have become clear. This was my first entry and I was trying to get the hang of the process. Custom Combat Trucks is very important in the encyclopedic content section. Military vehicles are often laid to waste or purchased and never taken care of. There is now a source that provides military vehicles a second chance to support the country. There are several pages about hiring veterans and this is similar. The mission of Custom Combat Trucks spans over several different pages (veterans, government, military education, monster trucks, repurpsing, etc.) Speedy deletion within the timeframe (about an hour) was simply not in the spirit of what this site is about. I am requesting that the content for the page be reposted and I be given the opportunity to update the page within a week's timeframe to reflect full thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psofga (talk • contribs) 22:19, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * If you put a pair of = at each end of a heading, it makes it into a heading like it is now. Also, please sign talk page posts with ~ which puts your sig and the date stamp on. Speedy deletion IS within the rules of the site - that's why we do it. I can restore your article into your user space for further work, but please take note of some points. First, employing or supporting 'veterans' is not a thing of encyclopaedic note in itself, nor is restoring and/or customising combat vehicles. You have to show that the company passes WP:CORP, and prove it with reliable independent sources WP:RS - not own site, club site, Facebook, YouTube, blogs, very local papers like the Ironstone Flats Mercury and Gazette (published Tuesdays but might be Wednesday or Thursday if the fish are biting...). Second, the tone of the article was not the neutral encyclopaedic (boring...) tone we require. Don't use PR speak like 'transitioned' and 'innovating'. Say 'moved on' and 'designing'. Never say anything like 'continues to wow across the nation' - that's promotional stuff and totally non-encyclopaedic. Third, don't put it into user space until you've had it looked at. This isn't an order - you may publish if you wish. It'll only get speedied again by someone else, though. In user space, so long as you avoid looking promotional, or violating copyright, or attacking or libelling someone, you're fairly safe from the patrollers in user space. If you knew how much stuff gets deleted, and saw some of it, you'd know why we use speedy deletion for certain things. OK - it's at User:Psofga/Custom combat trucks. Peridon (talk) 11:45, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Slamacow Minecraft Animation Wikipedia
I want to ask why you deleted my page. I honestly do think this page should still be there because its a very popular topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.120.237 (talk) 01:42, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

This was from user,"Johnnyboyfresshh" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnyboyfresshh (talk • contribs) 01:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * If by 'my page' you mean you are the subject, please note that Wikipedia isn't here for people to write about themselves WP:AUTOBIO and WP:COI. In any case, you also need to read WP:BIO. And WP:RS about the reliable independent sources you need to show that there is widespread coverage of the subject. This isn't social media, where you have a page of your own. and only you can change things. This is an encyclopaedia, where the subjects of articles must be notable, and you don't control the page you create. Peridon (talk) 21:10, 31 March 2014 (UTC)