User talk:Peridon/Archives/2014/November

CORGI homeplan deletion
graememcg Hello, I'm a new Wiki user and would really appreciate some guidance as to why my recently created page was deleted. I would like to add to it and resubmit, but before I start, your assistance in pointing out why it fell short in its present format would be really helpful. Thank you, Graeme — Preceding undated comment added 15:04, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Please sign at the end of talk page posts with ~ which puts your sig and the datestamp on. OK. Subjects of articles on Wikipedia must be shown to be notable. This is an encyclopaedia, not a directory, and not everyone or everything gets an article. Both the person who tagged the article and I could see no claim to notability - please see WP:CORP for details of notability. This notability should be proved with reliable independent sources WP:RS. I'm afraid corgiservices doesn't count as independent of the subject. It can be used for confirming registration or similar, but not for notability. If you try again, put it at User:Graememcg/DRAFT (click and save). Look at other articles first, and find the references. When you think you've got something worth looking at, I'll ping a friend here who is good at rescuing things and she can look at it and advise you. (I've seen her turn things I had no hope for into sound surviving articles. If she says 'no hope', I usually believe her.) Peridon (talk) 15:26, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

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I think you made a small mistake
You deleted Talk:My Application Clinic under CSD G8. My Application Clinic still exists. Did you mean to delete both of them? --Richard Yin (talk) 21:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. Done. And I've blocked for the username and left them a note. Thanks for the note. Peridon (talk) 21:33, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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From Poetries
Sorry! i'm super new to wikipedia. I'm not sure what you mean. Basically my course group had to make a page (we built it in my sandbox) and then ported it to the mainspace. unfortunately my group-mate did it via copy/paste, but at this point idk if my move from sandbox to draft page to mainspace can be recovered. Essentially now, the page (internalized sexism) is live and the draft page can be deleted along with the random collection in my sandbox. I'm not sure what I'm quite supposed to do. Sorry!!!! Poetries (talk) 20:32, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Your page isn't up - it's been turned into a redirect from Internalized Sexism to an older one (2012) Internalized sexism (note small s). This looks to be because there was already a page on the subject, and we don't allow duplicates. The correct way to shift something is to use 'Move', which doesn't actually move anything in the computers, but changes the title and/or space (the 'space' is the area or classification of something, like Draft:, User: and so on. To save bother, article space doesn't have a : thing at the front. You appear to be autoconfirmed (sorry about the jargon - stick around and you'll soon be talking it too...). This means you have been here for x days, and have made y edits, so you can now do some things a total newb or an IP can't. One is moving things, another is editing semi-protected pages. As to moving, I have a very experienced friend here who rescues articles and checks new things out for me. But she won't move anything if she can get someone to do it for her. (It's not that hard...) You can still see your page if you go back to it and click on History, and then on the date by the last edit by one of your people. In this way, you can show your tutor or whoever that you did make the page, but you've learned a rule that says no duplicates... (Your tutor mightn't know that one - some teach about Wikipedia and they don't really know the place. Hell, I'm an admin, and I don't know all of it.) (Incidentally, I haven't looked, but I hope they weren't using your account. Accounts are for one person, and others should have their own. Of course, if there IS only one editor, that was probably you typing in their suggestions. But, just in case, I would advise changing your password and not sharing it or letting anyone see it. I'll bin the User:User: thing, which looks like someone was using move and got it wrong. Ask questions - we're quite friendly so long as people don't try to tell us what the rules REALLY mean. Peridon (talk) 20:55, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Stampylonghead deletion
Hello. Just saw that you processed a speedy on this one - I nearly flagged it for speedy deletion myself, yesterday, but the guy seemed to meet GNG and I added a couple of sources this morning supporting the claims made, which I assumed would be enough to keep a stub in place. How is being among the top 10 most watched YouTube channels in the world (however briefly) "no explanation of significance"? --McGeddon (talk) 16:29, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what Reveal is, but the BBC one might do. I've moved it to User:McGeddon/Stampylonghead because I think it might need a bit more work before going into article space. This title has been deleted a few times, and it's also appeared under different titles. One of these seems to have been at AfD, but the link didn't work so I don't know what. I've just restored the latest version without any of the earlier stuff. Over to you. It might pass A7, but I couldn't see it getting through AfD yet. I'll usually userfy things on a sensible request. Not spam, hoax, copyvio or attack things, though. Peridon (talk) 17:13, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll take a look at cleaning it up and reposting it. This was the AfD, for what it's worth. His target audience seems to be kids, so I'm not surprised if it's been recreated badly a lot of times and never defended. --McGeddon (talk) 17:20, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'd like to see some concrete evidence about his income. I don't know how YouTube works on payment for things, especially with it being apparently easy to boost viewer figures (and likes on Facebook, etc). Peridon (talk) 17:24, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I suspect it's against YouTube's T&Cs for him discuss advertising revenue in detail, if nothing else, but the Mirror speculates that it's at least £47k a month. I've pulled up three more mainstream press sources very easily, all pre-dating the AfD where editors couldn't seem to find any sources, and will punt it back to mainspace momentarily. Ho hum. --McGeddon (talk) 17:44, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And ah, I can't move it because there's a redirect in the way. Can you move User:McGeddon/Stampylonghead to Joseph Garrett for me, if BBC News and the Guardian are good enough sources? --McGeddon (talk) 17:47, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Out of interest, should User:M.e/Joseph Garrett (which you userfied back in March) now be redirected to mainspace, or just deleted? It seems to appear among the top Google results for "Joseph Garrett" and has consequently been receiving a steady stream of unchecked vandalism and fancruft as a result. --McGeddon (talk) 17:58, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * JG deleted as redirect to redlink. M.e hasn't been around since June, but has had gaps of nearly two years. Might be as well to MfD it when you get yours moved. It's no good to anyone now, really, but I can't think of a speedy for it. If it gets kept, it's someone else's responsibility... I've put NOINDEX on it now, so things ought to die down anyway. Peridon (talk) 18:11, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping sort things out. --McGeddon (talk) 18:17, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Chase Antonio Carrillo McAteer
Noticed that after you deleted the page Chase Antonio Carrillo McAteer, it was reinstated by the original author with the same content, despite the warning on his talk page. I put another WP:SPEEDY on it, this time a copyvio. Karst (talk) 23:39, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I was offline by that time, though. Peridon (talk) 10:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed. The EugenioSalcedo recreated the page a number of times today. Would preventing its recreation be an option? Karst (talk) 20:52, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Only looks like one today - which they blanked. That makes three under this title, and I can't see any other titles. It got tagged four times - CorenBot for copyvio, and Reddogsix followed up with a speedy G12. Then there seems to have been a quick rewrite, and an A7 from Reddogsix. He tagged it finally after the blanking. I think the message might be getting through. I don't usually protect until the fourth or fifth (I did protect one today on the third, but that was because I suspect it of being a covert attack as well as being totally non-notable). Peridon (talk) 21:03, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Hide an edit
this one. Thanks  Alex discussion ★ 17:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. If you want oversight, you know how to contact them, probably. Peridon (talk) 17:59, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

81.153.185.157's return as 81.148.240.215
81.153.185.157 (MariaJaydHicky's IP that Callanecc previously blocked for 31 hours) is return as 81.148.240.215. He/she is continuing disruptive editing again. 183.171.182.13 (talk) 11:53, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Could be vandalism or content dispute - it's a field of music I steer clear of. Sorry. Peridon (talk) 14:15, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Hermes Investment Management page
Hi Peridon

I was trying to create a Hermes Investment Management article, but you deleted it.Could I ask you for advise on what I did wrong?

How can I improve the article?
 * Two things first - please sign talk page posts with ~ to put your sig and the datestamp on; secondly, do please start new threads at the bottom of talk pages. OK. To have an article here, notability must be shown. See WP:CORP. This must be proved with reliable independent sources WP:RS. There should be about the company, not mere listings or 'profiles' (which are usually company supplied), and in some depth. Not 'news flashes' about something they're doing - those are usually PR stuff. For unassailable factual stuff, references can be made to the company site or listings somewhere reliable, but not for notability. Not every company gets an article - size doesn't come into it. Do please remember too that an article about a company is not an article BY the company. It shouldn't be 'BloggsCo this...', 'BloggsCo that...', 'BloggsCo the other...'. 'Provides' is more acceptable than 'offers', and it's the company that's the focus, not a pitch for all their services and products. You achieved a neutrality of working that is commendable, but a regular reviewer and an admin who is definitely on the inclusionist rather than the deletionist side decided that the overall effect was promotional, and I agreed. It's much easier writing about a company that is in the public eye - like Dell, for instance - and certain businesses are not really attention grabbers (until something goes horribly wrong like the CEO being exposed as a gay Islamist terrorist, while the company secretary has just eloped with a 16 year old and several million quid...). Software systems providers, canners of own-brand goods, known in the City but nowhere else financial service providers, garden and park maintenance companies - how many of those can you name that are of an encyclopaedic level of note? It's easy to see that a corner florist isn't - but we do have an article about a bus shelter on a Scottish island. Get the references together, and write round them at User:Djwaraujo/DRAFT. Then ask for advice. Avoid 'time lines' (which look like a page on the company site) - WRITE about the really notable things. And remember that others will be able to edit. You do not own a page here. If there are skeletons peeping out of closets with good referencing in reliable sources, they can't be evicted easily. Peridon (talk) 13:39, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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Levo Company page
Hi Peridon, you deleted a draft page I created titled Levo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Levo) last month. I created the page for the company Levo, a name the company uses along with its more traditional name Levo League. After consulting with some editors on the help desk, I thought it best to create a page for the latter name as most of my sources used this title for the company. I didn't know how to move or delete the former page so I deleted the text and created a new Levo League page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Levo_League. Could you review this new page?

Thanks, Alexdltb (talk) 21:29, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Levo can be used as a redirect to Levo League when things are up and running. You can't delete pages - only admins can do that. You can request deletion if you're the only contributor of actual content by blanking the page, or better still, putting (copied from this side of the page, not the edit window side). Just put it at the top of your page if you want rid. If it's a page in user space like User:Alexdltb/Fred, put u1 instead of g7. (And there's a whole slew more at WP:CSD.) Moving - almost anyone can do that after a few days and a smallish number of edits. Some don't do it - I've been asked to move things by experienced editors. Ask before you do it for the first time. It's easy, but can be messy. Now, your draft. Refs look sound at a quick look. Well, some of them. TechCrunch is dubious for backing up notability, and I suspect a blog at the NYT. There's enough other stuff anyway. But... I can't really see what the outfit actually does, and why it should be regarded as notable. Look at it again, and see if you can see what I mean. 'Network' can be a lot of things. Is this for young women or are male crusties catered for as well? The name - why? I suspect a pun on another League... This is an encyclopaedia - things must be explained (or linked like the millenials who sounded to me like a backwoods fundamentalist sect at first). Imagine you're talking to intelligent but ignorant people. But do it neutrally, without slipping into PR speak. Right. Over to you. Peridon (talk) 22:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Graves at Sea speedy deletion
Hi Peridon, Just wanted to say thanks for your explanation for the speedy deletion of the article I created (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tacamo#Graves). I'm still relatively inexperienced, and this kind of feedback helps me to understand how these decisions aren't just arbitrary or random. Tacamo (talk) 19:08, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Feel free to ask questions (but not about what's going to win the Grand National...). Peridon (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

A7 question
Hello Peridon, I have a question about WP:A7, Even though educational institutions do not qualify. I did not know that it also applied to professors, is there some document or example that elaborates further the policy. Are there other professions for which it should not be used? Thank you for your help. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:29, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it's just a claim to significance. It's not an exemption like educ insts. A7 is really for weeding out the total no-hopers, and being a professor has significance where being a school teacher doesn't. Professors can be prodded, but they can best be assessed at AfD. Other professions that could be regarded as significant would include bishop in a well established church like the RC or C of E - but not in the LDS or in an evangelical outfit. In both cases 'bishops' are two a penny. Run of the mill vicars, priests and pastors are not significant for that - but ones who get widely noticed like Billy Graham and some of the ones who get caught out are notable. A sergeant isn't significant per se, nor is a lieutenant - but being a general in a claim to significance. Unless it's a general in the Glorious People's Republican Army of the Everlasting Republic of Ouerzit (10,000 men and 30 generals mostly related by marriage to the Glorious and Everlasting Supreme Honcho of Ouerzit). Notability has rules and guidelines. Significance doesn't, and passing A7 merely means that there is at least a vague hope of the article surviving for a week more. AfD works on the higher standard of notability. Fred's Computer Shop in Lower Bloggsville, WI (established 2014) isn't significant or notable. Computers R Us, with 1000 branches over 10 countries and 20 years has a certain claim to significance, but might fail at AfD if there aren't good sources. Dell has both significance and notability. Prod and AfD are the real deletion processes - speedy is a relief shortcut to get rid of the bulk of the crap. With all these things, I'm talking about the job as the claim to fame. A sergeant with a VC has a claim to significance. 'Other factors' need to be considered - but not being a great grandson or even grandson, and definitely not being a second cousin. Peridon (talk) 18:00, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Very helpful information. It makes perfect sense. Thank you very much for taking the time to explain it in such good detail.--Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 07:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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Whpq (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello peridon
Maninvan (talk) 02:24, 25 November 2014 (UTC)i would like to know why my page U-Seff Qasrawi have been deleted? and can you please give me few steps how to verify it ? thank youManinvan (talk) 02:24, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You need to read WP:BAND which is our policy on musicians (not just bands), and WP:RS about reliable independent sources. These are the references to prove the notability. Blogs, YouTube, Facebook, reverbnation, IMDb, wikis, forums, and pages at wikia, blogspot, weebly and wordpress are not reliable independent sources. Not every musician gets an article - I know good musicians who do, and good musicians who don't and never will. On Facebook, anyone can have a page. Wikipedia is different. Also, you must not try to advertise or promote in an article. Articles must be based on facts, not opinions. You must not show enthusiasm. Your last version was much better - it could be read easily and you got down to basics. But I still can't see any real achievement that passes our policies. Wikipedia is not for helping the up and coming to become famous. When you are well enough known for an article, someone will have written it already. Good luck, anyway. Peridon (talk) 10:21, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Gorilla chilla
hi i think a page has been deleted by accident of the artist producer name gorilla chilla by some idiots how do we get the page back?
 * I deleted it, and not by accident. Please read the post above which is also about the deletion of an article about a musician. The part about 'last version' obviously doesn't apply to you, but the rest does. BTW when posting on a talk page, please post from your account so we can find what you are talking about easier, and at the bottom of the page put a title inside two pairs of = signs, and then sign with ~ at the end. Thanks. Oh yes, make sure not to start a line with blanks. This does very odd things to the text. Peridon (talk) 10:30, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppet?
I nominated User:Dontletmidown for deletion as a NOTWEBHOST violation via MFD. The editor then replaced that material with a different NOTWEBHOST violation (as well as removing the MFD notice). The new material seems oddly familiar to me. I could swear I've seen it, or something very similar before. I suspect that this account is a sockpuppet. Trying to rely on my memory is a very bad idea. But I think this might be the same editor as User:Bloodxxxx who used his user page and User:Bloodxxxx/sandbox to host similar material including these fake discographies. I don't have access to look at deleted contributions. Could you do me a favour and check for me? Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 19:37, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * At a quick look, I'd say yes, they're the same. And from the look of things, either fantasy stuff or non-notables. (Sasha Carter may have something to do with Adele, but the existing article Sasha Carter is about someone involved in curling who probably only sings in the bath...) I'm not sure whether this would merit a block, as they aren't using the different accounts to evade a block or vandalise. There's possibly a NOTHERE element, but it could be claimed that they're drafting articles in user space - and there are other contribs. Also, the accounts don't overlap in time, so far as I can see. I'd get someone else who might have more clue* in this area to have a look. (*That means almost anyone...) (Starving, and going to cook tea...) Peridon (talk) 21:25, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking into this. I won;t do anything for now.  But if this pops ups again, then it will be clear there is an attempt to evade scrutiny so that he or she can continue using Wikipedia as a web host. -- Whpq (talk) 15:17, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

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