User talk:Peridon/Archives/2015/December

Deleted page AED Group
@Peridon Hi, I saw you deleted the page I created (AED Group) and after a more in depth analysis of my article, I understand why. But I cannot access my draft anymore because you deleted it. I would really apriciate it if you would give me the draft back. Just so I have it for myself. greets Bastien.Corens (talk) 18:32, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Now at User:Bastien.Corens/AED Group. BTW please do read what it says at the top of user talk pages - on Wikipedia we add new threads at the bottom. Peridon (talk) 20:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

hi user:Peridon I am new on wikipedia and I made some mistakes, I wil defenitly listen to your advice and thanks again for the answer you gave me last time. Bastien.Corens (talk) 11:30, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Your removal of "Fun Spot America"
Is that a joke? Is that a fucking joke? Because your removal isn't funny, you know... It's a theme park. Visited by thousands of people. And what did you give as an explanation for the removal? Let me read that for you: "Article (...) which does not indicate the importance or significance". Well whoop dee doo, why don't you ascertain its significance yourself instead of just being a party pooper with the IQ of a cellular automata going "gee article A7 of some obscure charta hasn't been met". You know, we're trying here to gather the worlds knowledge and further humanity. And by killing valuable data you're helping... how, exactly? When you go to bed at night, do you go "gee I sure love helping Wikipedia. Today I killed another valuable knowledge forever, instead of working to preserve it"? Rhodani (talk) 07:33, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * And I'll quote to you the article (in full): "Fun Spot America is a park in Orlando, Florida near Universal Orlando. They have 4 different Go-kart tracks. They have 3 roller coasters. The Sea Serpent which is an E&F Miler Industries family roller coaster. They have a GCI wooden roller coaster named White Lightning. They have a Vekoma Suspended Family Coaster named freedom flyer.". Please note that the deletion criterion states that it is the article that fails to show significance. It is not a judgement on the subject's notability. 'Forever'? You are quite free to make a new article, preferably one that does show notability for the park - WP:GNG- and reference it with reliable independent sources WP:RS to ensure its survival as an article. You can create it at User:Rhodani/Fun Spot America so that it's fairly safe from patrollers (in user space, they tag hoaxes, attacks, copyright violations and advertising, but not drafts that are being worked on), and if you need help, I'll put you in touch with someone who is good at that. Peridon (talk) 09:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Abbate Bakery


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Atlaans
I know that the guidelines for A7 mention a number of specific things, but surely that list is inclusive, and not exclusive? The general principle of "no indication of significance" still applies, does it not? Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:35, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No - it's definitely limited. Websites (including stuff on YouTube, and gaming sites) are in, but software like browsers and apps are out. How we managed to get events in, I don't know. If you want an indication how hard it is, have a look at the CSD talk page about the meaning of 'significance'. "No indication of significance" is only found in A7, and isn't a general principle. At prod and AfD, it's notability. Basically, if something passes notability, it automatically passes significance. If it doesn't pass notability, but has a 'credible' claim of 'significance', it shouldn't be tagged or deleted A7. Some people believe things more easily than others do. I believe that being given 'an award' is not a credible claim to significance, as it stands. Others think it is. But if it's not people (but not fictional or mythical ones), groups of people (but not educational institutions), named animals (but not species), organised events (but presumably not spontaneous riots), or web material (but not downloaded software - you can get the site under A7 but not the progs). A9 is another one - it can be used to delete records, but not if the performer has an article. If they are both tagged (one A7, one A9), the performer should be deleted first (assuming that it is a correct decision), and then the record can be. Keep an eye on that talk page - we could do with more input from the shop floor (or the killing fields, as some of them consider CSD...). Peridon (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay. Yes, I'm well aware that "significance" is a lower threshold than "notability;" something that has a credible claim might still not pass GNG. The reason I tagged this A7, though, was that in my mind it did not even pass this lower threshold of significance. As you have now explained, that was due to a slight misunderstanding of A7, so thanks for clearing that up. The page is still on my watchlist, I'll keep an eye. I did a sweep for sources before I tagged it; so if somebody removes the PROD, I'll probably take it to AfD. Vanamonde93 (talk) 06:29, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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WAS DELETED deleted page Pyramids the way to create a true pyramid ( the way all the pyramids of the world have been made) (Multiple reasons: speedy deletion criteria A10, G12. Article: Pyramid url: http://apostolosdimpolitis.simplesite.com/). THE CONTENT IS THE ONLY ONE AND TRUE WAY TO CONSTRUCT A PYRAMID AND THE REST OF THE PAGES THAT EXIST DO NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION. I HAD A MESSAGE TWICE TRYING TO COMPARE CONTENTS WITHOUT A CLUE I.E THAT THERE ARE OTHER PAGES THAT HAVE THE SAME MATERIAL. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE TRUE WAY TO CREATE A PYRAMID IS OUT.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apostolos1999 (talk • contribs) 11:37, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You must provide reliable independent sources WP:RS to show that your theory has been noted. If it is something you have worked out as a new theory (or someone else has worked out), it counts as original research WP:OR, and it doesn't get into Wikipedia until it has been reviewed in other places first - and these must be reliable independent places. Please also see WP:FRINGE. You must also NOT copy text from other sites - especially one that starts off with a copyright warning. This applies even if you wrote it and own the copyright - see WP:COPYVIO. Please do not shout. I will listen to what you are saying without you needing to shout. BTW when posting a new thread on a talk page, please put a heading inside two pairs of = signs, and at the end of your post type ~ to put your signature and the timestamp on. Peridon (talk) 11:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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(talk im trying to create a article biography about pilar tarrau, i got permission to do it. how i do it? Help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pilar Tarrau (talk • contribs) 17:23, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Nobody needs permission from the subject to create an article on Wikipedia. It doesn't matter whether or not the subject has given permission. (Some article titles can only be used after an administrator unlocks them, but that is only when a title has been re-created too many times or there is some other problem,) All articles must be written in a neutral way. That means that there must be no praise for the subject, no enthusiasm, no advertising, and no use of words like 'solutions', 'unique', 'best', 'passion' and other words used by advertising people. The subject of an article must be shown to be notable by our standards. In the case of a biography, that means you should read WP:BIO, and also WP:RS about the reliable independent sources that must be given to prove the notability. Wikipedia is not a directory like LinkedIn, or social media like Facebook. On those, you don't have to show notability or give references. I am concerned about your user name. If you are Pilar Tarrau, you should read WP:AUTOBIO, because we do not encourage people to write about themselves. If you are not her, you should not be using her name as a user name. If you work for her, or are being paid to write here, you MUST read WP:TOU where it explains that all paid editing MUST be declared. I'll wait for a reply about those last points before I say any more. (Except to ask you to sign posts on talk pages with ~ which puts your signature and the time stamp on, and to explain that when you start a new thread on a talk page, you should put a heading in between two pairs of = signs. Peridon (talk) 19:24, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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The legal threat on your user page
I have reported this user here for the legal threat contained in their note they posted on your user page. -- &#124; Uncle Milty &#124; talk  &#124; 12:10, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * And Katie has blocked them. Thanks both. Peridon (talk) 19:04, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Re: Glen Nelson (businessman)
Greetings and thanks for the pointers. I recommended to Mr. Nelson that his story be made published elsewhere so his entry would have merit and credibility. He is going to work on this and provide more sources for his story.

You mentioned "far too enthusiastic and promotional"....If this content was in a published source I suppose then I could just properly quote from it?

Can you indicate what part of the content is promotional so I may better improve this article?

Warm Regards and thanks again for your help I am new to this.

Alex
 * If he is publishing the story, it's not independent. If he's having it published, it's not independent. Reliable sources are things like articles in better newspapers - but not articles where there is obviously a preselected set of questions that are answered by the subject in the words written by the PR Dept. What's promo? Wordings like "driving force to become a success would be fueled", "shared an identical vision", "believed in his vision and used his loyal network of professionals" - all that is PR speak (I've only quoted three because my pizza is going cold...). It's not encyclopaedic writing. If someone was answering a police enquiry, would they talk like that? On Facebook and LinkedIn, yes, fine, nobody worries. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a directory or social media. Look at the way established articles about well-known people and companies are written. As to can you quote it if it's somewhere else - not if it's PR speak and promo. We want independently verifiable facts, not opinions and enthusiasm. One trouble we have is that there's so much PR speak around (apart from the twisted English used by estate agents and realtors...) that people are used to it. PR people find it very hard to understand that they ARE doing it. One last point - do make sure that Mr Nelson is aware that neither you nor he controls the article. Skeletons in the cupboard have a nasty habit of rattling on Wikipedia, and if they are well referenced, the subject or the author cannot remove them. Unlike Facebook and LinkedIn, where you control your own pages, Wikipedia is open to edit. We were nearly going to delete what looked like a really blatant vanity piece (and the subject was arguing for keeping it) until someone added some bits and references that showed that the subject was really notable - and he immediately started trying to get it deleted. And failed. I'm not suggesting there are any here - just pointing out a worst case scenario (that actually happened, and isn't the only one), and that a 'happy campers' article may be rewritten by someone else to fit our manual of style. Peridon (talk) 22:06, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, if you make claims like 'known as' or 'known for' with no reliable independent backup, you will find people adding 'who by' or 'citation needed', and especially in a BLP (bio of living person), unreferenced material can be removed. Wikipedia isn't as easy to edit as it might appear. Peridon (talk) 22:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

The Hanson Dozen
Apologies for the tom foolery. The page existed for long enough to have the desired effect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boostbyslinky (talk • contribs) 17:17, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

User:Antti Kuuselainen
Hi there Peridon. You've just deleted a page that I tagged, Chauffeursto, and I hate to punish you for doing necessary work with more work. That being said, do you mind looking at the deleted contributions of ? I can't see them, of course, but I see evidence that they keep posting date spam like that and having it deleted without anyone connecting the dots. If it's some kind of spam or phishing campaign they ought to be blocked. Thanks in advance for looking at this. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 16:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * They are blocked for spamming. The only one not on the talk page is the Chauffeursto one. I've blocked Port of Hanko as well - they created a Chauffeursto article first (but it wasn't actual spam), and AK mentioned Port of Hanko in their article - too much of a coincidence. If you know of any others, we can go to SPI. (Hanko is in Finland, and AK is a Finnish name. Interesting. The spam I've seen looks to be Russian/Ukrainian brides stuff.) Peridon (talk) 16:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Apart from agreeing with your general observation about Finland, I'm afraid I don't have any further information. If I see similar creations from a new account, I'll bring it to your attention. There was more than a year between creations on that account, though, so I'm not very hopeful. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 16:40, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * This user is a long-term vandal in the Finnish Wikipedia. There is even an abuse filter targeting his edits. He used the AK account for a couple of weeks and acted like a fairly normal user at first but was eventually blocked as the "Hanko-vandaali". --93.106.7.55 (talk) 11:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * And is indefinitely blocked there for something in Finnish... The P of H account has only edited here, but AK edited on Wikidata too. There's a few talk page stalkers who will be watching out for anything more in this direction, I think. Thanks for the info. BTW I love the sound of the Finnish language, but have decided not to try learning it.... Peridon (talk) 19:03, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Just for further information, was used for related vandalism. It's currently blocked, but might return to the same behavior once that expires. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 21:07, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Reporting user
Excuse me but would you know the best way to report a user contributing to an AfD discussion using multiple accounts and making poor edits, some of them bordering on vandalism, to said article a little bit with each of the same accounts and anonymous IP addresses as well? It seems there would be a better place than here? Air.light (talk) 19:21, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You could do so at WP:AN or WP:ANI. They deal with things that aren't necessarily vandalism but which may need dealing with. AN is possibly more concerned with procedure or long term stuff. ANI is 'incidents', which I take to be disputes, or things that need dealing with quickly. (I tend to keep out of both as much as I can...) Peridon (talk) 19:36, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of World Championships of Performing Arts for deletion
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Hope you have a wonderful last few days of 2015 and a happy start to 2016. Best wishes always, YoPienso (talk) 04:34, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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Akhtar Khan (Banker)
Hi Peridon, Happy Boxing Day! You seem to be the last Admin to delete this recreated BLP. Is it now any better than the prior versions AkhTar Khan (banker) or Akhtar Khan (banker)? 220  of  Borg 00:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Not around
Peridon would like to wish all the best to everyone and apologises for not being around. He is currently in Mudville, near Downby in the Swamp, and is sending this via a passing Wi-Fi equipped porpoise. It is good to have a porpoise in life. Peridon (talk) 18:57, 25 December 2015 (UTC)



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