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Earl Grant (basketball)
Hey could you undelete this article. He is a notable basketball coach at the College of Charleston. The article never should have been speedily deleted. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 16:16, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Have a look at WP:BIO and WP:ATHLETE. College athletes rarely merit articles, and I can't see why a coach should be any more important. Also, please read WP:RS about the reliable independent sources needed to prove any claim of notability. I'm not restoring the two sentence unreferenced article, as it would be speedily deleted again as it stood. Note that biographies of living persons MUST be referenced, or they are liable to deletion after 10 days, whether there is a credible claim to notability or not. Peridon (talk) 16:37, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I can add some sources. FYI DI college basketball coaches are generally considered to be notable. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 16:47, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Go ahead then - here's the content as was: "Earl Grant is the men's head basketball coach at the College of Charleston. He was hired on September 4, 2014, following the dismissal of Doug Wojick.". There was also an attempt to link an image from offwiki. (Doug Wojick doesn't seem to have had an article, if that is his correct name.) Peridon (talk) 20:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Doug Wojcik does have an article. If that's all there was for an article I might as well start from scratch. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 22:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, Peridon! Clueless new admin here needing help. How do I email a copy of a deleted page to a user? --MelanieN (talk) 20:11, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * What I've done has been do a copy all of the edit window view and post it into a wikimail or save it as a Word 97/XP/2003 format document and attach it if you have an address for them. That gives them the coded version. If they just want the text, do it from the normal view window. Neither way will give pics, but those will either be still around on WP or Commons, or deleted and I don't know how to access deleted images. Probable very simple, but I avoid image work. <8-( Peridon (talk) 20:17, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. So, I don't have to restore the article, just paste the edit view into a Wiki email. Thanks! --MelanieN (talk) 20:28, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Just view it without restoring. The edit view comes first, and Preview gives the normal view. I've never found out why the code view is the default for viewing deleted things - I rarely want to see the coded thing. I want to read the article without distractions. Peridon (talk) 20:41, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You and me both. Thanks! --MelanieN (talk) 21:46, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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I deproded Journal of Law & Politics since your only objection seems to be that it was student run and organized. This is true of every law journal and law review in the U.S., including the Harvard Law Review and the Yale Law Review. The J.L. & Pol. is listed in the Bluebook, by HeinOnline, and so on. It was founded under the direction of Antonin Scalia. It is clearly notable. Regards, GregJackP   Boomer!   02:26, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Mistake?
I'm confused as to why the webpage for the VA. J. of Social Policy was deleted? Tener311 (talk) 01:30, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * To have an article on Wikipedia, a subject must be shown to be notable. Please read WP:GNG about general notability, and WP:RS about the reliable independent sources needed to prove any notability. On the whole, student publications don't achieve wide enough coverage to pass. Wikipedia doesn't have articles about everything, and isn't intended to. Google tries to list everything that can be listed, but that's an entirely different proposition. Peridon (talk) 10:10, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

I can edit the page to add general notability and reliable independent sources to prove the notability. I take issue, however, with your second point. There are numerous other student-edited law reviews on Wikipedia, including other peer journals at the University of Virginia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Law_%26_Politics. I would like the opportunity to add additional sources to get the article in publishable form.Tener311 (talk) 16:01, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * When linking to other Wikipedia pages, just put the title inside two pairs of square brackets. like this: Fog which is Fog on the edit window. Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and please tell someone in that department that that other article needs referencing to WP:RS standard to show notability. I've put a proposed deletion tag on it as it doesn't appear to be an online publication, which yours did. (Online is subject to speedy - print isn't. Don't ask me why.) That will be there for a week. There's no objection to anyone trying again so long as they don't just repost the same thing without improvement. The journal's own site is only good for referencing certain things that are indisputable - and notability cannot be sourced from an own site. It must be in independent reliable sources that show reasonably widespread coverage of the publication. By coverage, I mean reviews OF it, not IN it. It may cover very important fields of knowledge, but what we want to is if it itself is heard of outside the department, and preferably, outside the university. I'll ping to have a look. She's away over some big hills from you, but at least she's on your side of the pond. Peridon (talk) 16:21, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Good morning (or afternoon in your case). Could you give me a link to the deleted article? I don't find anything at Virginia Journal of Social Policy. --MelanieN (talk) 16:30, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Virginia Journal of Social Policy & the Law - there was another bit on the end. Sorry. Peridon (talk) 16:32, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I see it had no references except its own webpage, and I suspect a three-times-a-year online publication is probably not going to turn out to be notable. But I'll do a little searching. --MelanieN (talk) 16:35, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I see that it is one of ten academic journals published by UVa Law School. So far, so good. The fact that it is student-edited is not a problem, many notable law journals are student-edited. Google Scholar does list it, but most of those listings are actually to other publications, where this journal is mentioned in a footnote. ResearchGate gives it an impact factor of 0.00. I don't find anything at all written ABOUT this journal, thus there are no references that could be added to support its notability. I'm sorry, Tener311, but I predict that it the article is recreated, it will be deleted again. --MelanieN (talk) 16:56, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Are these sources sufficient? The Washington and Lee Law Journal Rankings, which indicates the Journal has been cited by other authors writing in law reviews a total of 462 times in the last 7 years (249th), and its current impact score is 107th out of 1271 law reviews. Additionally, the journal is not an online only journal; it is also published in print copy. Additionally, yearly symposiums are highlighted in additional articles ;, ; The Journal has been cited extensively by other law scholars and commentators (search Va. J. Soc Pol'y) in Google. Tener311 (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking for sources. The first one is the listing I also cited, showing that it is an actual journal of UVa Law School; doesn't help for notability. The Washington and Lee Rankings: I don't see those numbers at the link. The three links about the symposiums are a press release by the law firm of one of the speakers, a flier advertising the symposium, and a you-tube item posted by the journal. Press releases and self-published advertising do not help for notability. We need independent reliable sources. But feel free to keep looking for such sources. --MelanieN (talk) 17:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It's unclear to me what independent, reliable sources would be sufficient for a student-edited law review, but which are not those you mentioned in Google Scholar. The Journal's articles are cited and discussed widely (see, e.g. page 162: ; page 21: ; a brief before the Montana Supreme Court, pg. 19: ; in books, pg. 186 . As well, the Journal has published an article from a former judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit —the article was cited by the ACLU in their opposition to his nomination (pg. 4) . Finally, if you sort the Washington and Lee data (check "combined score" and submit, you'll find that the Journal is ranked 195th out of the 1382 journals listed in the database for its combined score. Tener311 (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Virginia Journal of Social Policy & the Law is back and doesn't seem to establish notability. Please take a look. Thanks. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T&middot;E&middot;C) 14:24, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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Brady Toops
The Brady Toops article should be recreated because he was the subject of a interview in Indie Vision Music (here), and his album had three reviews from reliable publications in Cross Rhythms (here), New Release Today (here), and Indie Vision Music (here). This allowed the article to meet GNG and MUSICBIO by the first criteria. Their was a significant claim made, with regards to the article in question, where it used three CCM Sources.The Cross Bearer (talk) 00:09, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I just recreated it by myself and to show and prove notability beyond a reasonable doubt, I present to you, Brady Toops (album), for evidence.The Cross Bearer (talk) 06:28, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

This kind of article is right up this editors alley, Brady Toops and the album.The Cross Bearer (talk) 06:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)