User talk:Peridon/Archives/2015/March

I smell socks
Any way you can check who created the Sebastian Sixx article (both times)? It was a hoax article and it looks like the creator was supported by User:Rick_Rockker and User:Godsaver (supported = they added links of the hoax article to other articles) and they don't have any blocks or warnings or messages. Rick Rockker last edited today. I found the deleted article on a Wikipedia mirror website and it looked pretty elaborate. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 13:16, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * First time was User:DeeDeeNolan, second was User:McCall44. Both are blocked as socks of User:Stephaniemuue. SPI at Sockpuppet_investigations/Stephaniemuue/Archive. Peridon (talk) 13:22, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks. I posted at the case article but I haven't done this before so I hope I didn't screw up too badly. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 14:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks OK to me. Mind you, I screw up there at times myself... Peridon (talk) 14:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

About the deletion page
Hi, Peridon, I am new on wiki. A few moments ago, an page, Glory Ministries, I created was deleted by you(or not, I don't know the rules here.). And I have no clue which parts of the contents violate the rules, since the page is an English version of an Chinese one. How can I create an English version wiki of an Chinese one properly? Thanks a lot. Viewersview (talk) 15:16, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If that is a translation of an article at zh-wiki, and it hasn't been tagged yet, they may have different rules there. Your article failed our requirement for notability to be shown WP:ORG and for this to be referenced in reliable independent sources WP:RS. I cannot read Chinese, but I can see that one reference is to the group's own site, and the other to a list of other organisations that does not mention this one. Neither is a reliable independent source. It also failed on containing a large section of preaching, which is regarded as advertising or promotion. It also contained "For Dr. Jessica's books and audio teaching, please visit..." which is pure advertising. I can see that your article at 榮耀事工協會 has only been up since February 27th. I have no idea how quickly their patrollers work there, but here they are fast. I have just had a look on Google, and I'm not going to try to assess whether your 'Glory Ministries' is notable or not - there are in the world at least dozens of organisations using that name. The best I can do is ask you to read the policies for this Wikipedia that I have linked in this reply. Peridon (talk) 15:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Peridon, Thanks for your time. I will check WP:ORG and WP:RS to see how to improve this English wiki page to meet the requirement. Thanks again. Viewersview (talk) 09:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Deleted a page which WAS NOT a Hoax.
Deleted a page which WAS NOT a Hoax. This is appalling. You deleted a page which was about Display Laces. The Frankle family, including Robert Frankle's grandson, Danny Frankle, have been contacted recently. They all agreed Robert's efforts deserve to be noticed. Recently their family have became victims of "Internet Trolls" - This is not their fault. The page about Display Laces and Robert Frankle should not be deleted just because you don't know about the subject.
 * Show that the subject passes WP:GNG, and prove it with reliable independent sources WP:RS. Peridon (talk) 12:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm new to Wiki, but I am writing on the families behalf. We have sources listed, including Aidan Kidd and Paul Donaldson, who are mentioned in the article. We also have with us Danny Frankle, grandson of Robert Frankle. He also tried to contest the deletion of the page.

We have the Frankle family behind us, how is this not reliable enough? - Jamie Wiling — Preceding Signatures comment added by JamieTheFirst (talk • contribs) 12:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not independent. A search for [ "Robert Frankle" "display laces" ] returns one ghit - the one I deleted. Same for "Aidan Kidd" with "display laces". No relevant hits (out of three plus this...) for "Frankle Fashion". Even if it is true, it's not exactly coming up with much to show the notability required for articles here. Nothing on Google for [ "Paul Donaldson" "The Hips" ] either. Peridon (talk) 13:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

That's why the family have asked me to create the page, because there isn't anything about this subject online.

Also, here is the modern concept of display laces. The article the Frankle Family and I provided is how the idea came about, before being patented. ″ http://www.google.com/patents/US20140165345 ″ JamieTheFirst (talk) 13:42, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That's just it - if there's nothing to refer to outside the family, there's no basis for having an article. Wikipedia doesn't publish original research WP:OR or neologisms WP:NEO that can't be independently verified as being notable. Existence is not enough. Without the references, no article - no matter what the family want. It will have to remain a 'best kept secret'. Peridon (talk) 14:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a patent. Patents are not necessarily notable. It looks like a way of getting the laces to display an image or something, probably for advertising, and also looks rather like a pre-emptive patent in case someone else manages to get it to work. (The placing of an image bearing lace would have to be very exact or the effect will be ludicrous...) If the Frankle family really have had this in hand for years, they should have a prior claim over this patent issue. Aside from which, it has no bearing whatever on your article. Peridon (talk) 14:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Why would they take a patent out for it? They didn't, and still don't, see the point in patenting a way to display laces. They are just trying to make more people aware of what Robert Frankle and Frankle Fashion did for the fashion industry, mainly in the 1960s. JamieTheFirst (talk) 14:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Personally, I can't see that patented thing working - different people have different size feet and the varying tightness of the lace will upset the display. As to the family, they'll have to find another way than here. Until you can produce some reliable independent sources, there's no point in further discussion. There's no evidence I can see for the existence of Frankle Fashion, or the involvement of any of the people mentioned. Without that, you're wasting your time. End of discussion until reasonable reliable independent evidencing appears. Peridon (talk) 14:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * How could the Frankle family provide evidence? JamieTheFirst (talk) 14:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Read WP:RS. The family's oral history is not verifiable or independent, and nor are unpublished documents, letters or accounts. It has to be outside the family and the business, and it must be accessible. Copies of unpublished things are not acceptable either. Self-published stuff (CreateSpace etc, Facebook etc, LinkedIn etc) is also not acceptable. Peridon (talk) 14:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

The family have pictures of Robert Frankle, and I also have picture of the interview between Paul Donaldson and Aidan Kidd. JamieTheFirst (talk) 14:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No. Peridon (talk) 14:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If this product would not have an article in a published encyclopedia, like the Encyclopedia Brittanica or in a similar reference work, then it should not have a Wikipedia article. Having a Wikipedia article on a subject does not convey legitimacy in and of itself, a Wikipedia article merely reflects that the subject is notable because in-depth content about the subject appears in multiple reliable sources. Shearonink (talk) 18:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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Navsingh
Also see global contribs. &mdash;George8211 / T 21:22, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Took out the repost, and warned him. Someone beat me to the promo edit. I can't do anything much at Commons because I've no idea how things work there. <8-( Peridon (talk) 21:37, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Nor do I. Pingping . &mdash;George8211 / T 21:42, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Same here, but I'm trying to find an admin on IRC. commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems looks like it might be the correct place though. Bjelleklang -  talk 21:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * IRC is a place I've never been. I regard it with the same suspicions I have about IM and other such. Peridon (talk) 21:56, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I only have XMPP. I've never used IRC. &mdash;George8211 / T 22:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I've never even heard of XMPP... Peridon (talk) 22:09, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Just looked it up. Rather wish I hadn't, this close to bed time... Peridon (talk) 22:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Editathon block
I've modified the block of GlobeFashionRunway, as other accounts are currently using this location for Meetup/NYC/ArtAndFeminism/MoMA 2015.--Pharos (talk) 17:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you have any questions or concerns, I am one of the organizers of this event. I agree the original block was probably appropriate, just that it shouldn't be applied to the other accounts using wifi here today.--Pharos (talk) 17:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. It was pure spam, with a promo name, and a copyvio to boot. There was no indication that it was an editathon thing, or I wouldn't have put the IP block on. Peridon (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. We'll keep a lookout, so hopefully there aren't any other edits like that from here.--Pharos (talk) 17:54, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Admin dashboard link
Hi, Peridon! When I received my mop you gave me a page of various things of use to admins. I have it at User:MelanieN/links and I use it all the time. But for some reason the Admin dashboard no longer transcludes to the page. Nothing seems to have changed except that the transclusion no longer works. I've tried reloading it; doesn't help. Does it work for you? Any idea what is wrong with mine? Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 19:01, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It happens every so often. It's when the admin dashboard has too many thransclded transcluded things in it to display with anything else. Just click Back for the Peri-list. It'll come back when things quieten down. (I'm not a touch typist - I'm a keyboard watcher and occasionally my fingers get ahead of my eyes...) Peridon (talk) 20:27, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OIC. Thanks for the info. Glad to know I haven't broken Wikipedia or anything. --MelanieN (talk) 00:29, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ...and... it's back! How did you do that? 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 01:35, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * From the look of the thread above, I managed to block an Editathon for about 10 minutes or so... I wonder if they found out who was posting spam from a Wikipedia event. Peridon (talk) 11:21, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * They might have done - confirming attendance and the spam were the only edits from that name... Peridon (talk) 11:31, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Blocking an editathon isn't exactly breaking Wikipedia, but nice try. Have you tested lately to see whether you can delete the main page? 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 13:54, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The Delete button's not there on that page... Del-batch is there, but I've never found out how to use that yet. Peridon (talk) 15:26, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

New admin may need some backup here
Hi, Peridon! A request for help: I may need some backup dealing with the user 108.25.60.172. I noticed them because they vandalized the WT:RFA page. They turned out to be a vandalism-only account on an active spree, so I blocked them for 48 hours and reverted the various vandalisms they had been scattering throughout Wikipedia. They then proceeded to disruptively edit their talk page so I blocked that too. Unless they get bored in the meantime and go away, I suspect they will come back like gangbusters when their 48 hours is over. So I would appreciate it if you would watchlist them, and take any additional admin action if it turns out to be needed. As you know I am new to blocking so I'm on unfamiliar territory here. Thanks! --MelanieN (talk) 05:50, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, and on further searching they have been blocked several times before under different IPs. They are clearly the same person as ‪108.11.63.56‬ and ‪108.25.61.171‬. I can tell I am in way over my head here! I have also asked for help from Jayron32, the admin who blocked one of the previous accounts; I found them because the current account vandalized their talk page. I just KNEW I wasn't going to like blocking! 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 06:03, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're doing OK so far. I'm never quite sure what to do with IPs, but the impression I get here is school kid who's been stopped from doing something. Never block an IP for too long - leave that to ones like MaterialScientist and the others who really understand rangeblocks and so on. It's something I've never got into. If they've been on multiple IPs, they're probably on a dynamic and may be on something different again next time. Peridon (talk) 11:24, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I may call in MaterialScientist as more information develops. And I see that MusikAnimal has had some previous involvement with one of these IPs. --MelanieN (talk) 15:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, this should be helpful: Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to make range blocks. --MelanieN (talk) 16:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Harry Mitchell came up with a range block. That should calm things at least for now. --MelanieN (talk) 18:41, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. It's like the old children's song: "All around the article space, the admin chased the vandal. The admin thought it wasn't much fun. Block! goes the vandal." --MelanieN (talk) 18:42, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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Amber Hawk Swanson
Hello, Why was this page deleted?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Hawk_Swanson

She's in a permanent collection and has significant press. Was it just written without proper citations? Thank you.

http://amberhawkswanson.com/artwork/1998919.html

Morelcasares (talk) 18:40, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * This is what the article said:

"Amber Hawk Swanson (born August 14, 1980 in Davenport, Iowa) is a video and performance artist who lives and works in New York City. Education

Hawk Swanson received an MFA in Studio Arts in 2006 from the School of the Art Institute of Chicago."


 * No citations - just an own site in the infobox. I'll happily put it into your user space if you want to improve it. The own site is only of use as an external link - it can't be used to show notability, and it's best avoided for citing anything. Peridon (talk) 18:47, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * PS My apologies if you were in the recent editathon that came to a halt - see third thread up... Peridon (talk) 18:53, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Peridon - I don't see a deletion log on the Amber Hawk Swanson page. Can you make one available? OR drohowa (talk) 01:51, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's there for me, both logged in and logged out. "23:38, 9 March 2015 Peridon (Talk | contribs | block) deleted page Amber Hawk Swanson (A7: Article about an eligible subject, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject)" Peridon (talk) 18:46, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi User:Peridon-thank you for this- appreciate your help- best wishes, Morelcasares (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:55, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Mail
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--Alex 21:33, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Replied. Peridon (talk) 10:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Copyright and other matters
Re user article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Horns I have additionally already sent a copyright consent from a website related address. The website itself is a fansite created by myself - not a site of the band itself, which would, as suggested, use the Wikipedia article or the fansite for any kind of promotion. The band themselves have their own website www.atlantichorns.com and the fansite in question is run fully independent from them or their site and the band hold no responsibility for the fansite's content. As I'm new to this, I'd appreciate if you could probably please highlight the too promotional text passages to me? I however generally still deem such an article quite worthy & indicated, as the band get to be more & more in demand and popular. They work for/are booked by big artists as Robbie Williams, Madness, Paolo Nutini etc. Hence I kindly ask you to reconsider reinstating, please. I see where you're coming from re the issue with referencing and would of course edit it accordingly and see if I can research for more independent references instead. Guruness Brownie (talk) 16:23, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't reinstate until an OTRS ticket is issued as until then the copyvio is still a copyvio. Fan sites can't show notability - they don't count as either reliable or independent. You wouldn't take the the website of the SwampFans for the notability of the Downby in the Swamp Football and Water Polo Club? (The game played there depends on the weather conditions and water level.) Being booked by big name artists doesn't of itself confer notability - they also book electricians, drivers, secretarial staff and all the others involved in getting an artiste onto a stage facing the right way round. A bit like ghost writers, session musicians don't always achieve notability themselves. It wouldn't be easy to list things here - when the ticket comes through (no idea when - I'm not involved with OTRS and don't really know what they do there...), I can restore the article into your user space with a large notice at the top warning patrollers off and with noindex applied. Then I can underline the offending parts, or add comments. Or get a friend of mine who is good at this to do that. There could be more of a chance with this than there is with most of the stuff I dump on her... In the meantime, read WP:RS and spend some time Googling or Binging.. Peridon (talk) 16:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * PS Downby only exists (outside my imagination) for use on Wikipedia in illustrations of points (as does its surrounding soggy countryside) - but I've just discovered that it's been translated into German. Isn't the internet wonderful? Peridon (talk) 16:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * 2015011310024554 confirms http://gurunessbrownie-photography.com and http://atlantichornsfans.com/ belongs to Guruness Brownie. J e e  16:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks. Now at User:Guruness Brownie/Atlantic Horns work in progress. One for you if you want - could stand a better chance than some... The copyvio is OTRSed, I've added a magic word and nowikied the cats. Peridon (talk) 17:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't really work on this article - music and musicians are an area of Wikipedia I am not familiar enough with. Maybe User:Ritchie333 could help evaluate the article. My initial impressions, just looking at it as an article: it is still highly promotional, with stuff like "a jazz & comedy troupe who expertly combine a blend of comedy, improvisation, storytelling and music to many audience's delight ," "Mark Brown virtually holds a residency at the Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club," etc. This is an international encyclopedia and such WP:PUFFERY has no place here. I also think the 60 references are way, way too many. You have included four or five references for each musician connected with the band - to sites like discog and Artist Direct and Allmusic. I have no idea if those are regarded as independent reliable sources or not. Aside from these general comments, I will have to bow out; I can't really judge the notability of musical groups. Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion can be found at WP:BAND. --MelanieN (talk) 20:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I did a quick news search and these came up, so it should be possible to save this. Allmusic is OK for a references, but not necessary for notability on it's own. As they have been verified as playing with Robbie Williams and Terence Trent d'Arby, they should pass WP:NBAND, and if I can find more credits for them, they should do. They sound a bit like the Kick Horns who have played on a lot of albums. For now, best wait to the OTRS ticked goes through, then ping me when it's in the mainspace or about to go in. However, the WP:PUFFERY will have to go and the article size will probably have to be reduced, but that can be done by normal editing, I think. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought the ticket had gone through - isn't that what the bulleted post is about? This was in article space and got speedied for copyvio. The author has been in touch with OTRS and it's in user space so someone can tell him what isn't suitable - so it doesn't get tagged on sight back in article space. (That's why I've put that note at the top - to show we know it's not in a ready state yet.) I'll tb the author to let him know what's going on. And thanks to both of you from me. Peridon (talk) 20:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh right. When I'm more awake (can you tell I'm not really at the mo?) I'll fix it up and put it back in mainspace. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:49, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm getting tired myself. Don't rush it. The author is looking for better refs himself and would probably like to work with you on it. Peridon (talk) 20:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've taken a look. I think the OTRS ticket will probably be moot as the article needs a serious copyedit to make it neutral, as it reads too much like a resume as things stand. I've done the opening paragraph, but everything else needs wading through too. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Peridon (talk) 15:14, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help on this, guys - it's much appreciated! I'm currently reworking the article to make it more neutral and am reducing & reworking the references. Just a quick question: should I just post the article on the creating an article page for you to review & validate it, once I feel it's ready to be republished? Guruness Brownie (talk) 11:38, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No, just leave it where it is and it can be reviewed there. No point in getting into the hassle of AfC or Draft Space. Peridon (talk) 11:41, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm dumb, but: where is it? I simply can't find it? Or do I have to edit & rework it from here?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Horns But this leads me to an empty space... Sorry, but as said I'm new to this...Guruness Brownie (talk) 12:10, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I know now: I AM dumb - I have found it - my bad... thanks x Guruness Brownie (talk) 12:12, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No, just new. Ritchie has been doing some work on it. BTW for linking to Wikipedia pages, just put the title in square brackets for articles, or with User:xxx for user space, WP for Wikipedia space (like WP:RS), and others you won't need yet. For things on other Wikipedias, put their abbreviation in front, like fr:Utilisateur:Peridon. Peridon (talk) 12:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Could I please ask your help again? I have now submitted my reworked draft for review, but it has again not been accepted - again because of an unpermitted copyright. I have then tried to explain, that the relevant OTRS ticket in fact has been issued and also gave him the link to this user talk & the included ticket here, trying to lead him to this OTRS ticket. But he says he sees no ticket being issued in the draft (which is true, as it has only been posted in here, not in the draft) and that it's in the wrong place. He says that "unless and until it is in the right place it is irrelevant" and "until then it is a copyright violation". Since you have been already into it and always were so kind to help, could you do anything on it? Would be much appreciated. Guruness Brownie (talk) 14:49, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Peridon, thank you for helping, who would probably benefit from reading in some detail WP:Copyrights (yes, all of it, despite the fact that it is a lengthy read) in a period of peace and quiet. I have left a note on the draft's talk page with a further suggestion. Fiddle   Faddle  16:15, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I've messaged Jkadavoor. Peridon (talk) 16:24, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Cleaning products
I wonder if you would mind looking at and considering their editing track record, together with my reporting of them for vandalism, and take whatever appropriate admin action  Fiddle   Faddle  16:51, 14 March 2015 (UTC)


 * No need. All done elsewhere :) Fiddle   Faddle  16:58, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Zahid Rahman
Well I've found at least 3 people that have started this article. I just opened a SPI. Sockpuppet investigations/Zahid Rahman BD Wgolf (talk) 03:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Mr Grimes' Page
If you had read the bottom of the page is was for a purpose. I am a primary school teacher trying to teach my children about the validity of sources of information. I had clearly stated this in the last line of text expressly so that it did not get deleted. However your swift deletion of my page ensures that I have another hour of work to do today - thank you kindly! Colingrimes (talk) 10:53, 15 March 2015 (UTC)ColingrimesColingrimes (talk) 10:53, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I did read the bottom of the page, and I stand by my deletion. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia - would you ask the Britannica to insert a page for you to be a part of a lesson? I do applaud your intention of discussing the validity of sources with your class, but have a feeling that you were possibly trying to show how easy it is to get wrong information onto Wikipedia. If you recreate the page, it will be deleted again, as Wikipedia is not an interactive whiteboard. You could use it as an example of how Wikipedia does deal with misinformation, even when done in a good cause. It would be possible for me to restore it for a day if you give me notice, but this would be in your userspace (as in User:Colingrimes/Mr Grimes (or User:Peridon/Mr Grimes if you prefer keeping your full name off view), and it would have to have a heading note by me to keep the patrollers off. I wouldn't like to leave it more than a day as WP:CSD (using Wikipedia as a web host) would be applicable). Peridon (talk) 11:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The thread 'Deleted a page which WAS NOT a Hoax' above might also be of interest. Peridon (talk) 11:09, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

The intention was not to show how to get wrong information onto Wikipedia (of course every page on here is honest and correct!) but simply a lesson about not necessarily believing everything you read on the internet to a bunch of 10 year olds. Of course I would not ask Britannica to insert a page but the idea of using a crowd-sourced website to do such a thing seemed like a good idea. The reason the facts were so preposterous was so that it could not be taken seriously and to show the effects of not referencing. I wanted the children to be able to search Wikipedia for the page but not to worry - as a teacher I am accustomed to changing my plans on the whims of others!

Thank you for trying to make Wikipedia a better informed place! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colingrimes (talk • contribs) 11:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It should be searchable in user space - I'll put it into my space and see what happens. It'll take a few hours for the spiders to see it. Peridon (talk) 11:48, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's searchable now on Wikipedia's search via a redirect that I've marked as 'please do not delete'. Just type 'Mr Grimes' into the search bar. Google will take longer. Peridon (talk) 11:56, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * To show you a bit more of how we work, see WP:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Tillery (we do preserve some of the longer running hoaxes), and the discussion about it WP:Articles for deletion/Tillery. A lot of people don't know that we have a lot of patrollers, and investigations into things. Most articles are on someone's watchlist (I've even got a German town and a Swedish soft drink on mine...), and new changes come up on a watchlist. At User:Peridon/Links you can see some of the admin areas. There's 4.7 million articles that are the front of the shop, but there's a vast amount that is the underside of the iceberg (I like mixing metaphors...). Peridon (talk) 12:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It is available through Google, but only if you add to Mr Grimes as your search term. Wiki works well. Peridon (talk) 12:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

You, sir, are a star! Page can be safely deleted after lunchtime (UK) tomorrow. Thank you very much for your help!

Colingrimes (talk) 12:51, 15 March 2015 (UTC)ColinGrimesColingrimes (talk) 12:51, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

(Comment from a third party) Interesting exchange! Mr. Grimes, you have just had the same experience as many academics, from the primary to the graduate level: you set out to teach your students about the unreliability of the internet, and you tried to use Wikipedia to do it. And Wikipedia promptly proved that Wikipedia, at least, has very strong systems to keep itself reliable. There have been many academic papers about this; the results invariably surprised the instructor and the students, who wound up with increased rather than decreased respect for Wikipedia. With that said, you are quite right to teach the kids not to believe everything they read on the Internet, and I applaud you for that. They need to learn that, and the younger the better. Rather than using Wikipedia, where thousands of volunteers like Peridon work tirelessly to ensure the site's accuracy, here's a real-life example you could show them: ask them to find out, via the Internet, whether Albert Einstein was left-handed or right-handed. They will find lots of pages that assert flatly that he was left-handed - but as the Wikipedia article explains, that is a myth. --MelanieN (talk) 14:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Lanz Pierce
LANZPIERCE IS THE OWNER OF THIS ACCOUNT. THE BIO WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN AND POSTED BY HER SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGER WITH CONSENT FROM LANZ PIERCE. Please remove the flag on this page as it is still in the works. This page is not for promotion, but simply a Wikipedia record on an upcoming artist with more than enough press to prove it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LanzPierce

Any issues should be sent to nina@lanzpierce.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by LanzPierce (talk • contribs)
 * Wikipedia is not social media, it is an encyclopaedia. What is acceptable at, say, Facebook, very often is not acceptable here. In social media, anyone can have a page. Here, we require notability - and 'upcoming' isn't enough. Please see WP:BAND, and WP:RS about the reliable independent sources needed to prove the notability. Please also note that the text must be written in a totally neutral style, with no enthusiasm. In addition, you copied the text from the artiste's website. I'm afraid that this is not allowed here. Wikipedia is licensed for free reuse by anyone anywhere, under CC-BY-SA 3.0 and the GFDL. The text from the website is copyright, and is therefore not compatible with this licence. It would not be worth licensing the use of the text to Wikipedia as it would not be considered suitable in style. We do not usually communicate with external email addresses except where very confidential matters are being discussed. Peridon (talk) 11:33, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

ALtus Foods
You just blocked, but the user is continuing to add spam to the talk page. Not sure if this is anything to worry about, but just wanted to give you a heads up. APK whisper in my ear  10:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * D'oh! You've already seen it. <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b> whisper in my ear  10:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep. Thanks anyway. Peridon (talk) 10:40, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Sex Trafficking Deletion
Peridon, I understand but can it please be deleted? I removed the redirect for Sex trafficking in the search box to Human trafficking and started expanding the Sex trafficking page. Does this make sense?MBouchein (talk) 19:14, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sort of... But there was a consensus for keeping ST as a redir to HT. ST can't be deleted over that consensus without a new consensus, no matter whatever's been done under the ST title in the meantime. Expanding from a redir to an article is OK, but not deleting it. If you're planning a 'fresh start' for the ST title, possibly because of that early Move to the silly title - that edit summary can be got rid of. I'm not quite sure what you mean about removing the redirect in the search box, though. Peridon (talk) 20:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Mike Christie supported me in my want to create a separate page for sex trafficking since Wikipedia would always take you to Human Trafficking and honestly there's so much information on sex trafficking alone it should have its own page. With this in mind I created a new page with the title Sex Trafficking. After I did this, I realized that when you type sex trafficking into the search box there were two options - Sex trafficking and Sex Trafficking (difference in capitalization). I finally figured out how to delete the redirect that kept taking people to the Human Trafficking page when they'd type sex trafficking into the search box; however, when I did this I somehow got a whole new separate page titled "Sex trafficking" (no capital T). So now I've added content and am starting to work on Sex trafficking so therefore there's no need to have Sex Trafficking as a page. I was my mistake. MBouchein (talk) 20:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The search box lists both capitalisations - I've changed the target of Sex Trafficking to be your new page. Having read the discussion carefully, it appears that it was a pro tem keep, until an article of the title was created. The redir could go to RfD again (time and hassle), or it can just stand as a redir to yours. It can't be speedied as one author, and it's not an implausible 'recent' redirect. You as an editor can't delete pages - that's only admins can do that. It's harmless now. Peridon (talk) 20:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Small t is the correct article title, BTW. You're in the right place now. Peridon (talk) 20:41, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I've blanked the talk pages as they are irrelevant now. Peridon (talk) 20:46, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Convenient, isn't it...
... that I can view deleted pages now? 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 23:49, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Actually
Hey, I saw your message and I thought I'd let you know about my embarrassing first account which I registered in 2006, so I've been here like nine years. :D (After that one I had a second account which I abandoned before I started the current account (which was named Jean Calleo before I had a username change).) — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 21:31, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I knew you'd been around longer - that would only have complicated the point I was making to an arrogant seeming person. Peridon (talk) 12:36, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Can we have our ball back pls, mister?
Hi, Peridon. A year or so ago I posted an article on the Seidlitz five-stroke engine, which was rightfully (but sadly) deleted. My own original text file disappeared recently in a disastrous hard disk crash, and I never got to do anything with it. Is there any chance that it still exists somewhere in WP's echoing electronic vaults, and if so could you let me have a copy so I can put your suggestion into practice? Cheers, MinorProphet (talk) 12:20, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Should be in your mail box now. Peridon (talk) 18:34, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

CSD
Hi Peridon, this could just be a mistake somewhere along, including on my part, but I've never seen it so I thought I'd bring it to you. The page Nicholas Scott McDaniel was entered by you into the deletion log but the page still exists. I would have assumed it had been remade, but upon examination of the history it was the same article. Thanks and sorry if I'm missing something!  Kharkiv07 Talk  14:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it was remade - three minutes after deletion. It did get added to, but nowhere near A7 let alone notability. When it was remade, you wouldn't see the deletion history as that's only visible on a standing article when an admin clicks on the delete button. You should see it now it's gone again - unless he's been very quick again. Thanks anyway. PS the entry into the deletion log is purely automatic. It's a log that's not edited except under certain circumstances, such as when a particularly nasty article title needs revdelling. I've only done it once, so far as I can think. Can't even remember how, but I've got a link to the instructions somewhere. Peridon (talk) 14:40, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I've left a note for him. Peridon (talk) 14:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Skipper Home Fashions
Hi Peridon, I do appreciate your idea to use social media and blogs to reach the audience. However, having a complete set of information under Wikipedia will allow us to have an authentic source which people will trust. Using facebook and other social media channels is an option that doesn't guarantees authenticity, as in, many people spam with fake entries and opinions. If we have our page as a part of Wikipedia, it will be easier for the people to get the right information for Skipper Home Fashions and moreover, we are also not promoting or boasting about our organization. All we want is to have a simple Wikipedia page in the name of Skipper Home Fashions to establish transparency between us and the audience. This brand is almost 30 years old in India. If you are willing to see some changes in the page, your suggestions are welcome. Looking forward to your reply. Thank you Peridon and have a nice day!  Elenaparker123 Talk 
 * As to seeing changes, it would be necessary before the article could stand. If the company passes the tests I mentioned on your talk page, create a draft at User:Elenaparker123/DRAFT, and when you think you're getting somewhere, let me know. (Don't put it into article space until it's been looked at by one of my 'team'.) To be honest, I can't really see a company in that line of business getting enough coverage. I've just looked through the 7 pages of ghits for "Skipper Home Fashions" and could see nothing there that I'd class as a reliable independent source. A word of warning too: don't forget that on Wikipedia can be edited by almost anyone. Unlike the social media places and directories, you can't control the article you started. If there turns out to be a down side to the subject, and it can be reliable referenced, it will get into the article and you can't do anything about it. There are people and businesses that have rather regretted putting themselves onto Wikipedia. I'm not saying there is such a down side here, but as I can't even find a reliable up side, I wouldn't be sure. BTW as your user name is a little unusual for having an interest in a company like Skipper, I'd better point you at WP:TOS in case you are being paid for editing (in brief, if you are, you must declare it). It's the current 'reds under the bed' thing here, but with far better reasons. You may just be using a pseudonym, but your use of 'we' indicates a close connection, while the standard of your English is very different to the standard I usually encounter from the area of Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi business (or the Turkish, African and Arabian standards as well). As a final point, Wikipedia is not here as a place for businesses to improve their communications with potential customers. It is an encyclopaedia that has become, through a very high Alexa rating, the target of most of the PR firms in the world. You aren't writing in PR talk, though. Most PR people find it impossible not to... Peridon (talk) 11:18, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Jogither nagla
Thanks Peridon I will respect your decision.--Rberchie (talk) 13:32, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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Sebastian Rotella article
I was in the process of cleaning out the infringing materials when the article disappeared. Is there any way to get back all of the non-infringing material? Rks13 (talk) 16:32, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Right. At User:Rks13/Rotella you will find the mutilated remains. If you don't want me credited as the initial author (which I prefer not to be...), copy all to User:Rks13/Rotella draft or something like, and tag my one with . What's there looks to be copyvio free now, but be careful of the other profiles I've seen which might have similar bits. I've put a couple of (notes) to day what goes with the references that are flying free. I've also put nowiki signs around the categories, as things in user apace shouldn't be categorised. Just remove the nowiki and /nowiki (and the < > things) when it's going back in article space. Now references - you need better ones. Profiles are no good for showing notability. You need to find reliable independent sources WP:RS for the most important things. The list of Hopwood Awards is OK for that, but ProPublica and BookReporter look subject supplied, and any profile at Amazon will be too. You need stuff that's not social media, wiki, own site, site of organisation subject is involved with, anything at wordpress or blogspot, forums or ordinary blogs (Huffington Post is usually OK). If you get stuck, I can get a rescuer in to help. Peridon (talk) 17:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * PS If any of this looks like teaching grandma to suck eggs, my apologies. I spend a lot of time explaining things to total newcomers, and it's habit forming... Peridon (talk) 17:22, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

‎Keh Doon Tumhe
Okay the creator has tons of pages with lyrics of unotable songs I have noticed-not sure how many are under copyright either. Might want to check it out. Wgolf (talk) 18:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay well you could go check the page creators contributions if you like now. Thanks. Wgolf (talk) 18:39, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Removed several lyrics sections - I'll leave the notability questions to you. I know that lyrics are copyvios, but what makes a film notable or not is beyond me (unless the director is 14, the film runs for 5 mins, and it's on YouTube - or going to be when it's finished...). Peridon (talk) 19:14, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well for the films part-there was odd spi going on-I don't mind them having pages but there was too much going on. (I really have no clue what they count half the time, and I have more trouble with creators of articles from India, Pakistan, and places like that then anywhere else it seems)

There is also seems to be a odd amount of these obscure films coming in-I don't mind them coming in or anything though to be honest...Wgolf (talk) 16:47, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Michig and I have left messages for the author. I've taken out another lyrics section - but I might have missed it last night. Someone deleted our author's post at AN about you and restored whatever he'd deleted in the process. Meanwhile, back at the ranch..... Peridon (talk) 17:03, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Here-Sockpuppet investigations/Vamsiraj looks like the guy is about to be blocked. Wgolf (talk) 17:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * He is - part of a big sock-farm according to Ponyo who has mass deleted his creations. Peridon (talk) 17:24, 30 March 2015 (UTC)