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I replied to your question
At Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion. Just forgot to ping you there. &mdash; Sebastian 07:29, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Stuart Styron
Hello Peridon, I was writing on tzhe page "Stuart Styron" and you deleted aggressivly without knowing the real things! That is not fair! Did you read the last message I`ve written? I just started to create an article, I wasn`t done and you deleting aggressive the site. I wanted to create a page about "Living people" to Mr. Styron. You doing that the whole day, right? Thats not funny deleting without giving a chance. This time I will check, if you doing a correct job here. That is to fast!! Why you working so fast and aggressiv? Want to do a career here on wikipedia? I`m waiting for some answers.Ulla1956 11:47, 2 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ulla1956 (talk • contribs)
 * I deleted it four hours after it was tagged, and a day after you started it. Articles in the main article space are supposed to be able to stand by themselves - if you need a long time to create one, you should do it in Draft: space or on a sub page in your user space. Your article as deleted read "Stuart Styron (* 1975 in Arnsberg, Germany) is a German actor and musician." along with an unnecessary redirect to the title of the article itself. That made no assertion of significance and failed WP:BIO, WP:NACTOR and WP:BAND. It was therefore deleted according to due process and not in any way aggressively. If you can show that Styron now passes our notability policies, and can prove it with reliable independent sources WP:RS, you are welcome to try again. I advise doing it in user space or Draft: space as if you need a lot of time, you will get it there but not in article space. Please don't put redirects in unless you want the title to take readers elsewhere - they are only for alternative spellings and things that are written about already in another article. You shouldn't have REDIRECT in the main article, and any redirects to the main article should only be created after it is up and running itself. Peridon (talk) 12:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way, please sign posts on talk pages with ~ to put your signature and the time stamp on. New threads should have a heading contained inside two pairs of = sign to give the correct size and emphasis. Peridon (talk) 12:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Yash
Heyo Peridon, how have you been? It all started here. This was the first time that I came across an AfD about a person who shares the same name as me. The nominator too, for the first time had seen an AfD about a guy named "Yash". So, I became curious and searched for AfDs about other Yashes. In my quest, I didn't find any other Yash guy in the AfDs but I did come across this. Since I have never dealt with any such page in the past, I was not sure if I were to CSD, PROD or MfD it.  Ya  sh  !   18:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you're right about the film one - and I wouldn't argue with MQS about a film anyway. As to the other one - I'm surprised it's stayed there so long. I've moved it to User:Ebhale because of the edit summary My profile. As he's done nothing else of note, it could well be a U5. It couldn't be an A7 in user or wikipedia space. He's not edited since 2014, so give him some time to realise it's moved, then U5 it - or leave it as being reasonably harmless (but 'watch' it). The redir could be tagged anyway, if it hasn't been yet. I forgot to turn it off. Peridon (talk) 18:40, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That sounds good. I'll keep an eye on it. BTW, sorry for that notification (it was twinkle, not me).  Ya  sh  !   23:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Deni Hoxha
Hi Peridon. Thanks for the feedback. This article is clearly a prank. Somebody wants to make fun of a friend or himself. There wass no signatory of independence named Deni. Somebody should block that IP forever. Is this is not vandalism, then I don't know what it. The list of Albanian Signatories of Independence was compiled long ago, and there's nothing to add to it. Mondiad (talk) 19:44, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll take it to AfD. Peridon (talk) 19:46, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Now at Articles for deletion/Deni Hoxha (2nd nomination). I wasn't sure whether the delegates list was complete, or whether they were signatories as well as delegates. (My country has never had a declaration of independence...) Peridon (talk) 19:52, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Asimali1511
This is back up. I wasn't sure if a speedy was kosher, so I switched to PROD. Strange that we have U5 for stuff like this in userspace, but no speedy criteria for the same kind of thing in mainspace. Maybe I should've userfied it then speedy tagged it. Also, the universe is being weird again tonight - I saw a name on Commons a half hour or so ago that reminded me of yours, and I wondered to myself whether you were still around - I came over here and there you were in my watchlist for your deletion of Asimali1511 yesterday... INeverCry  10:28, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Next time, AfD I think.... What was the name you saw, just out of curiosity? (It definitely wasn't me - I don't think I've ever edited Commons.) Peridon (talk) 11:36, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I see SuperMarioMan's nailed it for copyvio. I should have thought to check that - people that post stuff like that don't usually stick to one site. Peridon (talk) 13:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't remember the name now. The resemblance was just enough to call you to mind, but not a troll or anything. As for Commons, I highly recommend it, even if I was de-sysopped there... I still remember when I used to batch delete G13s by  here...    INeverCry   22:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Beltway
I thought you might like to know that if you have not already looked up the term "beltway" or been told about it otherwise, you can see the article Ring road for a description and explanation. Often Americans hear the term "beltway" used to refer to the one around the inner suburbs of Washington, DC and the District of Columbia itself, of course, without further identification. Come to think of it, you may well be familiar with the term "ring road" and did not connect "beltway", the more common usage by Americans, to it. Donner60 (talk) 03:29, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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Wtf
Why did you delete MaxMoeFoe's Wikipedia page, as I do not see any reason for you to delete what you did. The very least I want you to do is bring back the page. Thank you. ChalkyHawk2433 (talk) 00:47, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:BIO about notability for people, and WP:RS about reliable independent sources. I'm not putting the article back up as it stood, because it would be deleted again by someone. If you can find any reliable independent sources, you are free to try an article. I've just gone through 20 pages of Google hits for the name, and I've not seen anything that I's consider a reliable independent source. Social media, wikis, forums, wordpress or blogspot pages, blogs, deviantart, and YouTube (and Vimeo and so on), are not reliable independent sources. Peridon (talk) 11:20, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Question
Was this "Accepted" of an unblock request [] meant to indicate that you were going to accept the request, but found that it had expired? Or only that you were noting that the request had become moot? — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  10:20, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * So far as I can remember (lots of little fishes have swum under the bridge since then), it was merely getting rid of it from the requests for unblocking as you were no longer blocked. If I'd been accepting reasons and unblocking, I'd have commented in more detail. Basically, housekeeping. There isn't a template for 'no longer applies', and 'decline' implies 'you can't edit', while 'accept' implies 'you can'. I suppose I could have used 'procedural decline'. The green looks nicer... Peridon (talk) 10:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for clarifying. The block was so short it was essentially impossible to get a significant number of other admin's eyes to look at the rationale behind it (most of the blocking admin's facts were demonstrably wrong). It's come up again because I just yesterday realized that the same admin who issued that questionable block was the one who issued a temporary TBan against me in Sept. (I don't keep "dirt lists" or try to categorize people as "friends" and "enemies" here, so I literally had not noticed)  WP:AN overturned the TBan retroactively. Both cases were predicated on making incorrect assumptions about the underlying facts, and entailed issuing a one-sided sanction pursuant to accusations the admin did not support at the time and refused to provide evidence of later, then dead silence when others, including other admins, asked for the sanctioner to explain their rationale.  So, it's looking like a consistent, troubling pattern.  I asked you what I did because I was wondering if another admin had noticed that the block was problematic (another did, but seemed more concerned by the effect it had of undoing his own previous RM decision, rather than the effect it had on me. :-)  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  07:41, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Allison Ball
I fail to see how that fails CSD#A7. She was just elected to a constitutional office, State Treasurer of Kentucky. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:30, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:POLITICIAN. You are free to try again, but as the office doesn't seem to even have an article, I wouldn't hold out much hope. Being elected to a state or national legislature is notable per se, but other elected positions do not necessarily carry this inbuilt notability. Peridon (talk) 15:38, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Beg your pardon - there is an article Kentucky State Treasurer and some of the holders have articles and some don't. One I looked at has notability outside the position. I'll ping so he can explain better why he tagged it. Peridon (talk) 15:44, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I just got an edit conflict explaining that I typed the wrong link (that red link should be a redirect) and that she'll meet criteria 1 as a politician elected statewide. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:46, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * , Looking at other states also, it appears I may have interpreted it too narrowly. I've restored the article. I truly thought it applied only to  governor. (If anyone wants to challenge it, they can still bring it to a general discussion at WP:AFD.)  DGG ( talk ) 17:54, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Although of course the statewide governor is the person most citizens of the state know, and a slam-dunk for wiki-notability, I can say for certain that the pool of governor-candidates (and the major players in state party politics) tend to strongly overlap with the holders of "lesser" elected statewide positions: Treasurer/CFO, stAttyGen , and so on.  As with major-party-nominees for usrep positions, there are invariably quite a lot of coverage of the sitting statewide officers, even when they do not go on to run for governor/senator/etc.  Plenty of positions have out-of-state coverage, too:  the state atty-gen will often sue the federal government, the state treasurer/CFO will often be in charge of federal funds deployed to the state, and so on.  In short, the statewide offices less-than-governorship are pretty important, so long as they are elected statewide (versus appointed).  They have a narrower constituency than the governorship, but certainly a broader constitutuency than the sitting statehouse-reps, which are quasi-inherently wiki-notable per WP:NPOL.  They also tend to have a vast amount of power, and tend to go on to become governor or senator or state party chair or such things, and even when they don't, play a significant role in shaping statewide policy, plus influencing statewide-and-beyond party politics.  In some cases, rare but not unheard of, the governor is a figurehead, and the real meat of the policy-making and expenditure-influence happens in the "lesser" offices run by these folks... though BLP concerns prevent me from naming any such figurehead-governors.  :-)      75.108.94.227 (talk) 15:46, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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"Lithotrophic" exists but not in Spanish"
Good morning, Peridon. You recently deleted a page Litótrofos claiming that the topic already exists. And it is correct. I don't blame this at all. But I wanted to contribute about it cause there is not a version in Spanish. If you beleive I don't have the sufficient reason to do that, it is ok. I will just have to stop reviewing what is and what is not on Wikipedia because I didn't have any other interest but helping others. Thanks a lot.


 * Message by User:Mario j vaughan.  Ya  sh  !   14:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Replied on his talk page - and his Spanish article is up on eswiki. Peridon (talk) 15:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I really appreciate that you reverted my collaboration. I will keep on helping others to fine accurate scientific and technical issues from serious sources. Mario j vaughan (talk) 16:50, 17 November 2015 (UTC)Mario J. Vaughan

A9
Makes sense. I checked the criteria and I don't think this band qualifies for WP:BAND. Perhaps in a few moths, we will see. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Rivanvx (talk) 20:18, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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Remove word from Google search
Hey peridian its OK. You have deleted my page. But now please remove it from Google search. Maske7787 (talk) 15:10, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That I'm afraid we can't do. It'll vanish in a couple of days or so. They usually do, anyway. Peridon (talk) 15:34, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Heyo!
 Ya  sh  !   19:46, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thinking. Peridon (talk) 15:34, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In no hurry.  Ya  sh  !   17:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

List of hoaxes on Wikipedia
Hey Per, I simply wanted to notify you that if you ever see and delete a hoax about older than a year, consider adding it to this list. I noticed you deleted Ziyaland, The William Mills Show, SIR SYYED RAZA ALI, Adzef Hitlin, Misho (The Lari Man), Flower crowns, Katherine Sanger, Henry Perretta, Dylan Harvey, Vahan McHitarian, Alexander James William Buchanan, Purple Snufflepox and Jordan Cirincione but I'm not sure if any are worthy of listing at that list. *lease ping, SwisterTwister   talk  07:52, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Perry will do - not Peri as I am not a Persian fairy or Per as I'm not Scandinavian. (scowls...). Nothing there old enough or good enough. All (as I recall) quick in quick out drivel. Adzef Hitlin had a certain cleverness, but reminded me instantly of Adenoid Hynkel (Chaplin). For old ones, you need to trawl things deleted at AfD. I have added to that list, so far as I can remember. There possibly aren't so many old ones left to discover now. It does amaze me that some gnomes will happily correct things grammatically in articles that are informationally totally ludicrous. If anything worth preserving comes my way, fear not. It will be pickled. Peridon (talk) 22:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Perry the Platypus, per chance? ;-)      75.108.94.227 (talk) 18:33, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Never heard of him till this. I'd heard vaguely of Phineas and Ferb but never seen it. Don't even know it it showed over here, and don't have a telly to see it on if it did. Peridon (talk) 23:05, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It is not bad, as television goes, which is not saying much. There are some online-streaming-episodes, for which you can WP:GOOG if you like, but primarily the shows are in-jokes and geek-references.  Since the plot is quasi-circular, you learn most of the in-jokes within a couple viewings, and the enjoyment if any comes from the mechanics of the overall system.  In any case, unfortunately for you, I have now solidified you as "Agent P" in my own mind at least.  :-)      In other news, I have been following the arbcom elections, and one of the arb-related-comments directed me to learn about this soccer-fka-football team, that you may find briefly amusing.  Apparently *not* a hoax-article, despite the title of this usertalk thread.  Do you have any thoughts on who ought to run for arbcom?  I considered pushing you to run, but unless you have changed since 2013-ish, you don't seem to have any interest in the role.  Could your arm be twisted?  Even if not, I'm interested in who you think ought to be running, that has not yet self-nom'd?  p.s.  And while I am here, I will note that User:Gorkemcetin74, who was a COI-encumbered victim of an orangemoody-sock, responded to me on their usertalk -- can you watchlist, please?  See past discussion on your own usertalk.  Maybe it is the case that Gorkem has some off-wiki info, about the tactics and identities of the socks, which info could conceivably help identify future such incidents?  75.108.94.227 (talk) 09:54, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In the list as it stands, there's one I think is too soon, and one I don't really know. The rest look OK to me. (The two I have doubts about would probably be OK anyway..) As to me, no thanks. Not even with threats of Room 101 or whatever it is that Polgara shows people. I've added Gorkem to my creaking watch list. (I occasionally throw things out of it when I have absolutely no idea what they're there for...) Peridon (talk) 11:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for keeping an eye on Gorkem, I have asked them to email the official orangemoody-list, because they might have email headers or caller-id info (or maybe more) that will help the WMF track the people behind the orangemoody socks. The corp-article is still slightly below GNG methinks, but if Gorkem can find some Turkish-lang-newspapers or something, I will help push into mainspace.  p.s.  If you thought the people running were okay circa the 15th, you have even more choices now.  If you want to write up the official Peridon voterguide, or the unofficial Peridon back-of-the-usertalk-musings, you can be added to the fabulous list of wikipedians at User_talk:Hafspajen, which has plenty of folks you can copy the formatting from, if you like.  Purely WP:CHOICE, of course, WP:Room101 is still a redlink thankfully.  :-)      75.108.94.227 (talk) 16:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * There's one I can't remember having come across, and two I've not seen much of. Which doesn't mean they're no good... I don't know much about ArbCom stuff, except that they always seem to do an opening chorus wherein they define things like the meaning of life and the smell of underpants, and some of them recuse. It's all a bit like the Rules of Bridge, or the protocols of The Grand Order of the Superior and Ineluctable Narwhal to me. Peridon (talk) 17:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Rather wishing I hadn't put that Narwhal in there - I've just thought of somewhere I could have used it. Ah well, there's plenty more to be devised... Peridon (talk) 17:48, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well... since you ask... you perhaps need reminding of pillar three, libre content... you can use that Narwhal elsewhere, as long as you comply with GFDL and/or CC-BY-SA, ya know. ;-)      75.108.94.227 (talk) 11:15, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

User:Adam9007
User:Adam9007, who AfD'd Jackson William Cowan (which you rightly speedied) after removing the A7 tag from it, has a fanciful idea about the application of CSD criteria. I believe it warrants keeping an eye on, as a form of harmful editing that creates unnecessary work. —Swpbtalk 19:31, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * My removal of the tag was good faith because I believed there may have been a credible claim of significance. I don't understand why people think A7 is about notability and sources, because it's not. And I am allowed to remove tags I genuinely disagree with am I not? If I am somehow misunderstanding CSD A7, please let me know how. Adam9007 (talk) 19:48, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The point is that 'claim to significance' is accompanied by 'credible'. If a 13 year old has a significant musical award, the article won't be talking about Scouts - it'll be talking about academies or conservatoires. That was a kid posting about himself to look clever to his mates. I accept that your detag was in good faith. Had it stayed up at AfD, you might have been receiving some sharp comments from the regulars. A quick Google shows 8 hits for the full name, none of which are our lad. Take out the William, and there's nothing in the first five pages of hits. A Google check is allowed, even in cases of blatant hoax (where it's supposed to be so obvious a 10 year old could spot it - OK, exaggeration there). You can remove tags you disagree with - but be more flexible. Remember there's a policy (very misunderstood) WP:IAR. And remember that admins do look at things and have seen a lot more of the same and similar. I signed up to Wikipedia to remove junk from an article, and I've been removing junk ever since. Peridon (talk) 20:18, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I take your point, though I'd have understood better had it been a snowball delete on notability grounds, rather than a speedy. This says A7 is about no indication of significance whatsoever; maybe I'm taking it too literally? Adam9007 (talk) 20:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe. If I tell you that I scored both the goals in a football match, is that a credible assertion that I'm a good footballer? It's quite true - I did. At school, and I got dropped from the form team as a result. Two own goals, and in the only match where I actually tried to do anything. (I hated sports.) That butthole reference was a clue that all was not well - if they had something of any note they wouldn't put that. (It also told me that the kid was American, especially with 'Boy' Scouts. Ours have been mixed for donkeys years.) Most musical awards and exams are solo - all our AB grade exams are. Grade exams are not notable outside the home. Getting anything worth noting, he'd have been noted somewhere on Google. And referenced. Lack of refs is not a reason to A7. Presence of refs means you can check. (And check to see that they are about the subject and not about Shaq or Magic or whoever.) Swpb's comment about consensus meant not that notability is the criterion for A7, but that there is a generally accepted (and not often challenged) way of applying things. He/she has been here since 2006 and has the autopatrolled right (which I haven't unless it gets bundled with the mop). That means he/she's trusted so that articles they have created don't need to be checked by patrollers - in other words, they know what they're doing. Look, I'm not telling you off (except the pair of you for an escalating exchange of views...). You're entitled to your opinion. I'm just suggesting you relax and go for the spirit rather than the letter. (No, not 'have a gin and leave that brown envelope from the Infernal Revenue till tomorrow'.) If there was important info they hadn't told us, they'll try again. Significance isn't notability - but when I'm talking to people I've deleted, I aim them at notability. Passing A7 is not a target worth achieving. It's just an avoidance of a limited scope short cut to stop AfD getting backlogged to Christmas 2018. Example: Mayor can be a claim to significance, but Mayor of Deadwood Scrubs (pop. 239) isn't. When I was patrolling, not in NPP but in Edits by Recent Accounts (where I was often 12 hours behind the edits), I used to note interesting cases and check them to see what happened to them. I took my time - you're probably better at it than I was after the same period of time. I learned what worked and what didn't. When I got my arm gently twisted to go to RfA, it turned out that I'd got 12,000 edits without using any automated thing like Twinkle. (That upset some people for some reason.) And my CSD and AfD accuracy was sky high. (I like mixing metaphors - it keeps people off their guard.) I can't remember being upset about 'losing' any noms. (Apparently most of the ones I'd lost had had last minute restructuring, so my nominator said). Now, suggestions. Look at the CSD talk page, and go back into the archives. You may see how the criteria are decided (and fought over - how we managed to get events into A7 I don't know, and G13 was another matter altogether. Shadow someone and ask questions. If they tell you to go forth and divide (that's worse than multiplying), choose someone else. I never object. There's quite a clutch of people watching my talk page (and sometimes having battles on it, which I don't mind - it gives the watchers something to watch). Some day, they may pounce and drag me off. They haven't so far. OK? Have a look for that recent edits page. You miss the IPs, but you can pick up a lot of stuff that's gone unnoticed. Peridon (talk) 22:00, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think now's a good time to mention I have Asperger's Syndrome, and I know people with that and other people on the Autistic spectrum tend to look at things differently from most other people; this is certainly one of those cases! We tend to go for the letter rather than the spirit... Adam9007 (talk) 23:00, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I know. From my experience of people with conditions on the spectrum, some can learn to get 'away' from it, and some can't. Probably others won't. (It's rare that I get accused of being politically correct. I wonder why?) I'm reminded of the chap who suffered from CDO. When it was pointed out that it was really OCD, he replied that that was out of order. You are obviously intelligent, and can recognise that other people have different ideas and ways. Try accepting that they might have a point. Remember someone (I forget who...) who said, "I disagree with every word you say, but, by God, I'll defend your right to say it to the death" - or something to that effect. I don't agree with the way everything is done here - I think we should include software in A7 or a new A12, but a majority doesn't - but there it is. One thing wrong with RfA is that no candidate can say "I'd leave it for someone else" when presented with a difficult question. But we all do it. I normally won't touch CSDs on Indian actors or American footballers. Sometimes I do. When I can see behind the surface (the two goals in the match). Things like the butthole ref tell you a lot. Relax - look for the spirit. Look for what you should look for with estate agents and politicians - what they aren't saying. ("Bijou residence suitable for personalisation, convenient for amenities and transport, on the fringe of high class area" - equals "poky bedsit in urgent need of redecoration, over a chippie by a busstop, three roads away from the worst edge of Chelsea". Peridon (talk) 23:23, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Also remember, "I am not always right; you are not always right; he is not always right; they - there are more of them, so they are usually thought to be right.". Peridon (talk) 23:27, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Deletion review for Huccha Venkat
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Huccha Venkat. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Rajannamysore (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please cast your vote for deletion review of Huccha Venkat. Rajannamysore (talk) 02:24, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've commented there. I'm not all that bothered either way. 'Allow' looks like passing at the moment. Peridon (talk) 12:12, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. You were one of the admins you had flagged A7. Other admins are looking for consensus on this article. Please cast your vote. Rajannamysore (talk) 17:26, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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ErgoGroup
I know but to be honest, the company closed in 2010 (the article and content has stayed basically the same before 2010) and the article has easily existed since October 2007, I can easily PROD this but it seemed acceptable for G11. Cheers, SwisterTwister   talk  23:10, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It needs a bit of rewording in places, but notability lasts. If it was, it still is. If it wasn't, it probably isn't. Peridon (talk) 12:12, 29 November 2015 (UTC)