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Wiki Page Issues For Artist
Hello I am Joey a manager at Forever17 Record Labels and I have heard that one of my artist Shabazz Sallier name has been banned from wiki! Fans tell me that someone from your great site claimed that the page they have created was to much promotion, so I have a question for you if I give you guys information about my artist Shabazz Sallier can you unlock his name and add the information onto your site the best way you can without anything sounding like it's trying to promote my artist Shabazz Sallier because he deserves a page just like anyone else on this planet. Please let me know all of the options that I will have thanks so much Wikipedia I really appreciate it a lot. I think the page says this right now This page is protected from creation, so only administrators can create it. Joeysevenforever (talk) 23:42, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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Countly - Speedy Deletion
Hi Poseidon, may I ask why Countly was nominated as a speedy deletion where I was an author of this subject? Thanks, Gorkemcetin74 (talk) 19:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Because it was a leftover redirect from a move to Draft - Draft:Count.ly to be precise. It was obviously not reckoned to be ready for article space, but I wasn't involved there. Just tidying up. Peridon (talk) 20:18, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * But before then it was a real article. Can you elaborate? Gorkemcetin74 (talk) 04:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Not really. It was moved by the original author, who then requested deletion of the redirect. Nothing controversial there. If you object to the move, take it up with the original author. Peridon (talk) 09:52, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Original author jinlizzy is not a user? When I click on that name, it's not there anymore. Gorkemcetin74 (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Definitely a user. Just doesn't have a user page. It's not compulsory. In the 'tools' section at the left of the page (when you have clicked on User:Jinlizzy), you will see 'User contributions'. That is only there for actual users. It's not there on User:ToastMyButterfly because that one isn't a real user. Click it and you'll see the difference. Peridon (talk) 17:11, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, got it. The point is, I also made considerable additions to this article, almost on par with his contributions (check: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Count.ly&action=history). So do not really want this article to be removed. Is it possible to recover?
 * The article hasn't been removed. If it had been deleted, I could put it into user space, but it's not deleted and so can't be 'recovered'. It's there in Draft space where you have linked, and your contributions are still there in the History. I assume they're in the draft. I'd suggest liaising with Jinlizzy about its future. There's nothing I can do about it. The redirect that I deleted was a cross space redirect, and we don't have redirects from article space to Draft space. Peridon (talk) 13:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's not something to make with Jinlizzy, as she asks for money to make it live again! Isn't it clearly an abuse of use of Wikipedia? Why do I have to be depending on her to rewrite Countly wikipedia page? (because I cannot regenerate this page again, make it draft, and submit for approval) 213.155.126.6 (talk) 09:16, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where she has been asking for money, as I can see no interaction between you and her. Do you know her outside Wikipedia? As to who can move things in and out of Draft space when there are two contributors to a draft, I'm not sure. I'll ask to comment on that. I've never dealt with that side of things at Draft or AfC. Peridon (talk) 10:28, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I dont know her outside Wikipedia. I felt something fishy when she approached asking for money if she can make it get approved by Wiki Gorkemcetin74 (talk) 14:12, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * She can't do anything you can't. Articles either work or they don't. Why would she think you'd be willing to pay, anyway? I think I'll call someone else in here .Peridon (talk) 14:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I won't comment on the suitability of the draft. I know there have been some "troublemakers" trolling around Draft pages and offering to get them into mainspace for a monetary consideration. I would treat these like a Paid Editing situation. Hasteur (talk) 14:04, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think ToastMyButterfly will be taking part in anything - that's a non-existent 'user' made up as an example... Anyway, it's the position of the article/draft that I'm interested in. Gorkemcetin74 wants the article in Article space, but creator Jinlizzy moved it into draft. Can a creator insist that an article stay as a draft, or can a contributor to it (or indeed, anyone else) just move it out against the creator's wishes? I'm not familiar with the protocols and procedures of AfC and Draft in this respect. I'm not commenting on the suitability either - but can just anyone call for review of a draft if they're not the creator?. I'm just wanting to avoid a possible edit war. Peridon (talk) 14:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understand better. It lives in the Draft namespace which has 2 "use cases" running over it, "Articles for Creation" and Drafts. If the page doesn't have a AFC banner on it it's a regular draft.  If it's an AFC page, then it's common curtosey to try and ask the author if you can take it over.  If not, then anybody can put it in mainspace.  I'm going to personally say that having looked at the page and it's references, it would not pass muster if it was coming from AfC.  I imagine that someone pushed it up to mainspace there would be a AfD quickly made on the grounds that the references do not support the page as it is overly promotional and not reliable sources (PR releases, inclusions in lists of winners of competitions) and a sufficent "Internet Things" notability claim has not been proven. Hasteur (talk) 14:36, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Peridon (talk) 14:50, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi again Peridon, from looking at the history of the Draft:Count.ly article, it was created by and mostly "written" by User:Jinlizzy... though I suspect via unattributed-copy-n-paste from Draft:Countly... and then later, significantly added to by User:Gorkemcetin74 (who is also the author of Draft:Countly in the AfC queue). At one point, Jinlizzy moved the article to mainspace themselves, but then moved it *back* to draftspace themselves, after which Peridon (wiki-correctly) marked the mainspace-redirect as G7-blanked-by-user. So for anybody wanting to help clean up the content, it is currently at Draft:Count.ly -- and also simultaneously at Draft:Countly. As for the question of WP:OWN, the rules for draftspace are the same as the rules for mainspace, any wikipedian with an account can move the draftspace article Draft:Count.ly or Draft:Countly to the mainspace location of Countly (should be sans the period), if they determine that such a move will improve wikipedia. All draftspace content is subject to WP:MERCILESS editing by any wikipedian at any time. In other words, you (Peridon) or Hasteur or Gorkemcetin74 can, if they so wish, immediately mainspace either of the drafts in question.

That said, as was mentioned above, Draft:count.ly/Draft:Countly doesn't appear to quite pass WP:42 at present, so maybe this is a case of WP:NotJustYet, and for the moment Draft:Count.ly/Draft:Countly ought to remain in draftspace, until more in-depth coverage in WP:SOURCES has been added to the draft. I found some legit sources, and listed them here, Draft_talk:Count.ly. Also, although apparently Countly is registered as a UK corporation nowadays as part of their SeedCamp funding-and-incubator procedures, it was originally a Turkish startup in 2011. That suggests that additional WP:SOURCES may exist in the Turkish language, and of course, such sources (newspapers/magazines/teevee/radio/etc in Turkish that discuss Countly in detail and with some depth) are perfectly legit for demonstrating wiki-notability of Countly the software-product-slash-corporation. Peridon, see also your 2013 work here, Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Gideros_Studio, which is likely a predecessor of Countly.

Although I did not find any on-wiki data about the alleged offer of paid-advocacy-editing, this 2012 cite ("Countly's Gorkem Cetin argues open source is best when it comes to app analytics") strongly suggests how the person behind User:Jinlizzy might have been able to contact the person behind User:Gorkemcetin74 in off-wiki fashion. I suggest that we ask User:Gorkemcetin74 about the specific details of the alleged off-wiki contact with User:Jinlizzy, and see if perhaps OTRS and/or WP:CHECKUSER folks can help untangle these events. User:Gorkemcetin74, can you tell us more about the offer, that if you paid money, the wikipedia article about Countly would be "helped" in some way? Please DO NOT tell us ANY personally-revealing information about your off-wiki contacts, or for that matter about yourself, since that sort of information (real names/emails/IPs/phones/addresses/etc) is most definitely NOT supposed to ever be revealed on-wiki. But in a general way, can you say whether you were called on the telephone, contacted by email, or otherwise reached? Also, again in a general way with no particulars, can you please tell us the overall outline of the monetary proposition, what specifically was being offered, and what specifically was being demanded in return? For myself, this alleged episode makes me very curious... I'd like to know whether there are other articles in draftspace right now, which have mainspace redirects pointing at them, which were written by the person behind the Jinlizzy username, or by people using similar wiki-techniques. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 16:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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 * That's the only subject that account has edited on. Whether or not they have used other accounts is not available to me. Mainspace redirects to Draft and User spaces tend to get tagged fairly soon after creation as a rule - but I've don't know of an easy way of finding out how many DON'T get tagged at all. Peridon (talk) 17:12, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Somebody on the wikipedia-en-help IRC channel named User:matthewrbowker provided a modified toolserver script of their own devising, which ran the calculation. Turned up three 'active' hits (plus two false positives), which were fixed here, by User:Howicus et al, see also User_talk:Howicus that I belatedly posted.  Here are the bits I've found (so far!) that look similar to the Draft:Countly/Draft:Count.ly situation, that were formerly but are not longer a worry to me:


 * 23rd August: copyvio-speedy of Heart_94.3FM, which links to the off-wiki radio-station homepage, at 12:10_UTC.  Twenty-two minutes later, SPA with possible COI creates Draft:HEART_94.3FM at 12:32_UTC.  Interestingly-non-SPA arrives at 12:59_UTC, expends twenty-six minutes and fifteen edits on the draft, including creation of a redirect from mainspace, with one edit-summary that says "added given information by editor" followed by a self-revert of said information a minute later saying "did not realise previous CSD of same named article".
 * Existing NTA (company), article created direct in mainspace back in 2010, albeit mostly edited by usernames and geolocated IPs that strongly appear to be associated with the corporation. Tagged as 'unreferenced' for most of existence.  May 22nd 2015, stubification to remove uncited promotional prose, and tagged for notability.  Also removed eleven external links posing as 'refs' that were aboutself, govt database certs, or tangential industry associations.  June 26th 2015,  User:74.84.114.34 (edits NFL and NTA articles), which geolocates to NTA HQ also edited that Flammability article; NTA is a fire-certification-corp.  Two minutes later, at 14:36_UTC, SPA adds promotional link about NTA to Flammability.  Two months pass.  Aug 24th 2015, same NTA+NFL anon re-adds the promotional employee-biography prose ("added more historical description") to NTA (company) at 15:18 thru 15:40_UTC.  Shortly thereafter (an hour later this time), once again, followed by the very same SPA username, who spends 42 minutes and ten edits fixing up NTA (company), starting 16:55_UTC thru 17:37_UTC.  The fixes consist of re-adding the cert-refs, adding the corporate blog per WP:ELNO, plus two new refs (one WP:NOTDIR but the NREL.gov one looks like legit WP:NOTEWORTHY methinks).  Thirteen minutes pass; the interestingly-non-SPA User:Samtar, who has never edited the five-year-old article on NTA (company) before Aug 24th 2015, reviews the updates by the presumably-COI-anon and by the SPA User:Wscribner, decides that enough work has been done to pass WP:42, and removes the notable top-tag with edit-summary "further references added".  At the time of the notability-de-tagging by non-SPA User:Samtar, one of the 'refs' in the article was the plaintext phrase   ... but one minute after the article was detagged by Samtar, the NTA-specific SPA User:Wscribner returned for a final edit, to wrap that plaintext 'ref' into a template and include an actual URL.
 * I've not deeply investigated all of User:Samtar's contribs, because there are a lot of them, across a lot of article. Of the four known cross-namespace-redirects from mainspace-to-draftspace (the SQL tool by User:matthewrbowker only finds currently "live" instances of such redirects ... not ones that have already been deleted in the usual course of wiki-business, such as Countly was by User:Peridon), I've only looked deeply into the Countly/Count.ly stuff, and the Heart_94.3FM/HEART_94.3FM stuff, but not yet the Interactive Linguistics stuff, nor the Meat-free products stuff, except to note that in all four cases, there is always one COI-encumbered editor involved, there is always one distinct WP:SPA involved (often but not always the COI editor is SPA as well).  Call me a conspiracy theorist, but my spidey-senses are blaring that this is the tip of the iceberg.  Which really toasts my butterfly,TM to swipe Peridon's official catchphrase.  :-)
 * p.s. Still, I wish that we could get a response from User:Gorkemcetin74, and would also like to hear from User:Dtompos, about whether they were approached off-wiki, and if so what the general outline of those off-wiki discussions were (though I again caution both Gorkemcetin74 and Dtompos that they should NOT reveal any off-wiki names/phones/emails/IPs/etc here on-wiki which is WP:OUTING and considered VeryWrong&Bad).  From some reasonable assumptions, based on the partial story that we've already heard from User:Gorkemcetin74, Gorkemcetin74 is a legitimate wikipedian who has WP:COI, but was using the AfC queue in proper fashion... and after an AfC decline, Grokemcetin74 was allegedly-approached off-wiki by allegedly-paid-editor User:Jinlizzy, who made some kind of pay-me-and-I'll-get-you-into-mainspace type of contractual suggestion, that Gorkemcetin74 found fishy-sounding.
 * Just to be crystal clear here, Wikipedia 100% absolutely *does* allow editors with WP:COI (e.g. owners of companies and employees of companies and such) to edit the encyclopedia, as long as they are good apples like User:Gorkemcetin74 for instance, and follow the wiki-pillars. Wikipedia also 100% absolutely *does* allow paid editors, too, once again as long as they are good apples like User:16912_Rhiannon and User:CorporateM -- who I mention here, NOT because they have anything whatsoever to do with the quacks-like-a-duck cross-namespace-redirects being discussed, but merely because I've personally seen those editors on-wiki, following the proper wiki-laws that paid editors are supposed to follow, specifically as good-paid-editor-apples, in contrast to the bad apples that User:Gorkemcetin74 described, and the quacks-like-a-duck Wscribner that I believe presumably-CEO-of-NTA User:Dtompos may have gotten involved with.  I'm truly not sure what role User:Samtar plays in this mess, since they are clearly not a single-purpose-account, but I'd like to hear from them why specifically they are involved with heart93, and with de-tagging NTA when the article was in this state.
 * p.p.s. Peridon, you expressed some sort of preference, during the Harry Braun discussions, that your personal usertalk might not be the best place for highly-detailed-and-informative postings, that Harry and myself tend towards?  :-)      Would you prefer we move this discussion about suspicious WP:SPIP-related cross-namespace-redirects, to some other place(s) besides your usertalk?  If so please suggest a more appropriate venue-or-venues, where this discussion can be moved unto.  75.108.94.227 (talk) 11:37, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Carry on here - the Harry Braun affair looked to be getting a bit like War and Peace (and it has...) and has an AfD and other talk pages where interested parties can discuss things in detail. This one is one I'm not really involved with at all, having merely deleted a redirect, but here appears to be the only location where things are happening. You are right about COI and paid being allowed to edit so long as they play the game, but I'm not at all sure what Jinlizzy's game is. Peridon (talk) 11:51, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: Unsure of why I've been dragged into this. I'd like to give the following comments regarding my involvement in certain mentioned articles.
 * Involvement in heart93 - assisted in initial set up of article with editor from my role at #wikipedia-en-help (WP:IRC). We were given information relating to an article in channel from an editor who was struggling to add the information. I added the information for him to later edit. I did not watch the article afterwards.
 * Involvement in NTA - OTRS discussion with an editor. Result was involvement by way of detag of article. I understand now that this may have not been the best move. I do not remember my reasoning to detag.
 * I'd like to go on record that I am clearly not a SPA, and all edits I have made/make are in Good Faith, I am a helper on WP:IRC, I am identified to the Wikimedia Foundation for WP:OTRS. Thanks. samtar (talk) 11:58, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I accept User:samtar's explanation of their involvement, and thank them for not reacting poorly when I questioned their specific edits. :-)      No offense intended, samtar, I'm actually quite relieved to find out you are a good apple.  But the question then becomes, who was behind the OTRS request, related to NTA (company) article, and was that OTRS request wiki-proper?  Samtar's de-tag was in good faith, it seems, and the article does have plenty of "references" added to it by SPA User:Wscribner, many to government agency websites which are prima facie WP:RS, though a deeper look might show otherwise. (Which, I *completely* understand, OTRS volunteers like Samtar often are too pressed for time to go into an article deeply -- I completely understand that bit, and find no fault with Samtar's actions.)  As for the heart93 situation, there was again off-wiki contact, but it was initiated from the user with COI User:Rodcar1984, via the usual wikipedia IRC mechanism, to User:Samtar, and this is in fact a very common situation that I've personally seen happen, all the time.
 * So User:samtar the reason you were dragged into this, was this edit where you moved an article to draftspace. There was a redirect (accidentally) left behind, from HEART_94.3FM pointing to Draft:HEART_94.3FM, which makes the draft appear in search engines like google.  Looking at the countly/Draft:count.ly evidence above, with allegations of improper off-wiki contact, and at the Heart_94.3FM/Draft:HEART_94.3FM which seemed quasi-similar, I wanted to see whether that latter situation was wiki-proper.  Hence, my note here.


 * I still believe that the countly/Draft:count.ly situation was likely *NOT* wiki-proper, but need to hear more from User:Gorkemcetin74 to be sure. I also believe that the role of User:Wscribner (but not User:samtar) on the NTA (company) article needs scrutiny, and would like to hear from User:Dtompos about any off-wiki contacts, proper or improper.  Given the explanation from User:samtar, however, I'm satisfied that their actions at Heart93 via legit IRC contact were wiki-proper, and also that the NTA de-tag via OTRS contact was in good faith (though may get reverted should the 'refs' prove more flimsy than they appear).
 * Again, my thanks to samtar for taking this in stride; if you do need to move something from mainspace to draftspace, be aware that a redirect might get left behind, which should usually be G7-speedy, to avoid the search-engines treating the draftspace article as a part of the web-visible-portion of wikipedia. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 12:50, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * see talkpage section below this one, for reply from User:Wscribner, and also see Talk:NTA_(company). 75.108.94.227 (talk) 13:18, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No offense taken! I just got a tad jittery that I had royally mucked up in some way. I've taken the above on-board and will improve my actions. I deserve a slap on the wrist for the non-deleted redirects, I may have assumed at the time someone would mop them up later :( the OTRS request was made by a user who would been seen to have a COI, which is why they emailed in instead of doing it themselves. I unfortunately agree that a great deal of pressure does often lead to sub-par decisions being made, and I apologize if this particular decision caused issues. Please don't hesitate to mention me again if you need any further clarification or assistance. Many thanks for your scrutiny, it's ultimately what Wikipedia needs. samtar (talk) 12:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Nah, you look like you're doing fine, Samtar, though it might help if you would please mention in your edit-summaries the key phrases, "info from editor via #wikipedia-en-help", and similarly "further references added thus de-tagging per OTRS request", or similar verbiage, so the nature of your off-wiki contacts is clear to later on-wiki reviewers. It was clear you had off-wiki contact, but I couldn't figure out from the edit-summaries what *kind* of off-wiki contact it was.

question about default behavior when pagemove from mainspace to draftspace happens

 * As for the mainspace-to-draftspace goof... being an anon, I've never done a page-move from mainspace to draftspace... does that action, leave a redirect, by default? If so, probably the move-page-implementation needs some tweaks.  75.108.94.227 (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I will in the future, I believe some of my recent OTRS/IRC interactions which have caused me to make article edits have been summarized in that way. And yes, it does leave a redirect by default, unless I'm leaving something ticked which causes it. As a completely unrelated side note, is there a reason why you're choosing not to make an account, if I may ask? Not that it matters :) samtar (talk) 13:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Gracias, samtar. Peridon, can you confirm (or can some talkstalker confirm) that leave-a-redirect is the *default* behavior for moving from mainspace to draftspace, or did samtar just accidentally tick the wrong checkbox?   p.s.  Re: username creation, editing anon is my attempt at a Profound Philosophical StatementTM and simultaneously widens the bell-curve of what expected behavior from anons is perceived to be.  75.108.94.227 (talk) 14:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thought I'd answered this... Leave redirect is always the default in moves so far as I know, wherever you are going. There's a box to UNcheck that I see, but that may be just admin. I'll try from my alt account. Peridon (talk) 19:04, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * When I find the password.... Rarely use it. Peridon (talk) 19:09, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As an admin, you can always reset your own regular-username-password. ;-)    Somebody on IRC, believe it was User:Huon, said that only admins can choose NOT to leave the redirect after a pagemove.  Seems like a bug to me, at least when the move is from mainspace to draftspace, the default behavior ought to be not leaving a cross-namespace redirect, which otherwise has to be cleaned up manually.  Or maybe it is a "feature" since that manual cleanup step is what led User:Gorkemcetin74 to come visit you.... 75.108.94.227 (talk) 00:32, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's not a bug, it's a feature. Otherwise page move vandalism could take all new, complicated-to-repair forms, for example. That's not even mentioning the possibility that good-faith page moves might accidentally make pages vanish in projectspace without a trace that inexperienced editors can easily follow. Huon (talk) 06:09, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, thanks. And in this case, it turned out that the pagemove by Jinlizzy which left the (allegedly-)sneaky mainspace-to-draftspace redirect, led to the discovery of some other stuff needing cleanup. Though thankfully no other orangemoody-related-type things were discovered, that was a scary sockfarm.  So all's well that ends well, I guess.  75.108.94.227 (talk) 15:02, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Of course, "ends well" is not really applicable, at least the "ends" part, because WP:NOTFINISHED.

Point also being, if somebody would look over the refs at Draft_talk:Countly, and give a second opinion on whether it is still WP:NotJustYet, or whether it has enough refs to demonstrate wiki-notability and satisfy WP:42, that would be appreciated. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 15:02, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm currently working on cleanup of NTA_(company), which appears to be potentially-salvageable, now that the copyvio issue has been straightened out, and the COI-encumbered folks involved are beginning to understand WP:RS. If anybody would like to pitch in, please see article-talkpage thereof.
 * Draft:HEART_94.3FM looks abandoned at the moment, and I'm not sure they can pass WP:42, but as an FCC-recognized radio station, they might qualify as quasi-inherently wiki-notable? Anybody know about radio-station-articles, and want to clean that draft up sufficient for mainspace?
 * As for the Countly article, I believe it is still borderline about passing WP:42, but I've left some additional WP:SOURCES that I dug up, and instructions for good-apple User:Gorkemcetin74 (if they haven't left wikipedia in disgust at the pay-up-if-you-want-an-article fiasco), over on the Draft:Countly page, which I will note was the *original* draft written by selfsame good-apple User:Gorkemcetin74, *before* the jinlizzy-SPA-sock tried to hijack-and-copyvio following an AfC decline. Point being, please don't delete Draft:Countly as a copyvio, it is the other way around, and the copyio has already been nixed.

Dr J.S. Rajkumar
I want to discuss about DR JS Rajkumar page. I don't know how the content is present on wordpress though it was mine but it surprised me too. Since it is deleted, I would like to get one more chance to create a new page on the same topic. Can you please help me and guide me that how can I come out of this issue.The new content will be as such so that no breaking of wikipedia policies will be there.So please suggest me How can the page can be created further. Looking forward to your reply and suggestions.

Aarvig (talk) 05:18, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * First, read WP:BIO. That tells you about our notability requirements. Second, read WP:RS about reliable independent sources that are needed to prove it. Incidentally, wordpress and blogspot pages are not considered reliable independent sources for referencing, but are considered publication with respect to copyright. If that was your text, but you didn't put it there, someone must have copied it from wherever you did put it. Whichever way it happened, it was published and that's what counts. Third, if you are connected to Dr Rajkumar, please read WP:COI about conflict of interest, and if you are being paid to edit about him, you must read WP:TOS and declare it. Then, start your article in user space at User:Aarvig/DRAFT. It's safer there from the patrollers, and it can be built up without rushing. Do avoid promotional language - the use of words like 'excellent', 'passionate', 'driven', and so on are an invitation to get a spam tag. Finally, ask someone for an opinion. Peridon (talk) 08:41, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Dr. J. S. Rajkumar
Hi. Please see the comment left by on my talkpage. Perhaps I made an error and this was a case of mirror?  Onel 5969  TT me 16:51, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. The Draft was created on 3rd September, but the reviews on the wordpress page go back to May. The wordpress page may have been copied, but if it was, that just means that the text had been posted somewhere else before the first reviews in May. I can't see an earlier version here, but if the title was different in any degree I wouldn't find it. Aarvig hasn't created an earlier version, and if someone else had done so before May, then there would be a copyvio involving that other account's work if the wordpress page was a mirror of it. (I think I need a drink now...) Peridon (talk) 17:04, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi - I thought that was the case, but since the article was deleted, I couldn't check it's creation date. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks for double checking.  Onel 5969  TT me 21:37, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Mops can come in handy
Hi, Peridon! I remember that at my RfA, you joked that you should oppose, because if I became an admin you might have to find another rescuer to help with semi-hopeless articles. But it turns out the mop is a plus; now you can send me a Bat-Signal even if the article in question has been deleted. That X-ray vision comes in handy. 0;-D If you have any other rescuers you collaborate with, maybe they should consider applying for a mop also. --MelanieN (talk) 09:42, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Always glad to help out (if I can)... just give a holler.  Onel 5969  TT me 03:55, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Dr JS Rajkumar
Hello I have created a new draft for Dr JS Rajkumar that is a fresh content on my User:Aarvig/DRAFT page. Can you guide me how this page will be published on Wiki and what to do next. Secondly I would like to mention the topic for Dr JS Rajkumar was picked by me randomly to create wiki page. It is not related with any company or person and neither I am paid for this. I would have definitely declared this if I would have taken such service. I am a Wiki user and I want to create more pages so as to contribute in wiki and learn more things. Looking for your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aarvig (talk • contribs) 05:50, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

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Band
How can i get a proper wiki page for my band.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alaminrabby0007 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * By doing a lot of practice, playing a lot of gigs, and getting really well known. Read the policies I mentioned on your talk page. Until your band can pass WP:BAND, there is no chance. And even then, you need to have the reliable independent sources WP:RS to prove it. Your own site doesn't count, nor do Facebook etc, YouTube etc, reverbnation, last.fm, blogs and forums, wikis, or wordpress pages. Sorry, but Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not social media or a free webhost. We have rules that they don't. Good luck, anyway. Some day you may be on here - and probably not worrying about Wikipedia by then. Peridon (talk) 20:29, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Arthur Versluis
Hi Peridon. In 2012, you moved the article on Arthur Versluis to User:JEMead/Arthur Versluis. I'd like to restore the page, since I like his publications on western esotericism, and think they're relevant. Which improvements are needed to restore this page? Best regards,  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   11:44, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * NB: I've moved the page into my userspace, to work on it.  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   11:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It needs more about him, as at present it's mainly a list of books and an academic position. That may be OK in an academic context, but an encyclopaedia needs a bit more. Something about his views on whatever it is he's written about. The referencing needs improvement - in fact, there aren't any that are reliable independent sources WP:RS. A chaired professor usually passes A7, but check out WP:SCHOLAR for academic notability which is the target to aim at. Of course, a pass at WP:BIO would do... Peridon (talk) 13:38, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I already figured so. PS: I bet you ground your coffee yourself. Do you?  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   14:31, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, no. I very rarely drink coffee. Last one was a couple of months ago, provided by a girl with whom I'd just been on a seven mile walk. Coffee with something in it - not cinnamon or chicory. Not hazelnut - I had one of those a couple of months before that. That's about it for this year so far. Don't drink ordinary tea much either. Lemon tea, yes. Wondering now what lemon coffee would be like. Might try coriander... Peridon (talk) 14:44, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

NewSoftwares
Hey Peridon, would you please restore our company's info page on wikipedia? We were just in the process of adding our history and our encryption software information, we have no backlinks on there, it was just to better inform the public about an encryption software company thats been there since 2002.

Please lemme know — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.201.248.82 (talk) 05:34, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Please log on before editing, and sign talk page posts with ~ which puts the time stamp and your sig on. Being logged on makes it easier for us to find things you've edited, and stops any impression that you are trying to hide your ID. (People do, doesn't usually help them...). OK. Read WP:CORP about notability for companies, and WP:RS about the reliable independent sources needed to prove the notability. Wikipedia isn't a directory where anyone can display their wares. We need notability (by our definition) to be shown. After you've read those policies, if you think your company passes, then tell me and I'll put it into your user space for more work. Up to deletion, the article didn't show any particular significance, let alone notability. There are thousands and thousands of software companies - and most won't get articles. Also, please read WP:COI about 'conflict of interest', and if you work for the company, you MUST read WP:TOS. Any editing that is paid for, either as consultant or as employee, must be declared. Peridon (talk) 17:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Republic of Keig
Hello Peridon, i noticed there has been no wikipedia page about the micronation Republic of Keig. It said for me to contact you before editing it again. I believe it is a creditable and relevant to the subject of micronationalism as it is known worldwide. Thank you.

Alfordloon (talk) 22:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say that, actually. It says I deleted it. You are quite free to re-create it and take your chance with it. However, as I can only see 18 Google hits for "Republic of Keig", and I wouldn't consider any of them to be a 'reliable independent source' (WP:RS), I personally think you'd be wasting your (and our) time. Outside the micronation community, micronations are not generally noticed by anyone unless they are ones with real territory such as Sealand and Hutt River. Ones that only consist of one or two houses (where local taxes are still paid to the local authority, thus negating any real claim to independence) are regarded as fantasy. Up to you. There is no right to have an article, and notability must be proved. Peridon (talk) 10:38, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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New unreviewed article
Hi! I created a little stub and this banner's across the top: ''This page is a new unreviewed article. This template should be removed once the page has been reviewed by someone other than its creator; if necessary the page should be appropriately tagged for cleanup. (September 2015)''. Do I need to do anything? Or will somebody find the stub, review it, and remove the banner? (Or not). Ta--YoPienso (talk) 09:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd say just leave it for a bit. Someone will deal with it. (I'd better not do it for assorted reasons, although it looks OK to me...) If no-one does anything in a week, ask someone neutral to look at it. Incidentally, we had a temperature of 5 degrees C one night in August in Worcestershire this 'summer'. Peridon (talk) 10:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes! One simply leaves it alone and a patroller comes by. I couldn't find it in any lists of articles awaiting review, so I wondered if I have to click something or what. Nope, just wait for the magic. :)
 * We've had a rainy summer. We've relocated a bit outside the big city to a little place between the mountains and the sea. We have a post office and a supermarket, but most businesses are 7 miles up the freeway. Lovely! YoPienso (talk) 14:02, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The Daily Express is forecasting a 'Killer Winter' for us. On previous form, that will mean snow a couple of times (outside the Highlands), a few frosts, and a couple of days with winds. They might have got it right this time, but normal form here is to expect the opposite of whatever they forecast... Peridon (talk) 14:10, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * LOL! We've had two unseasonably warm winters in a row. And it rained nearly every day in September. YoPienso (talk) 14:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Trent Zimmerman
Please reconsider the deletion of this bio. Given the comment in this yesterday's Sydney Morning Herald (below) I'm sure many people will be looking for information on this notable political figure.

"The current NSW Liberal Party president, Trent Zimmerman is the front runner to replace Mr Hockey in the seat of North Sydney, with the moderate faction claiming a strong hold on the numbers in local branches.

No date has been set for a byelection yet but insiders were not ruling out a factional battle over the preselection, with predictions the Right faction would resist Mr Zimmerman taking the plum seat.

Mr Zimmerman is a long time mover and shaker in the so called 'wet' faction of the Liberals both in state executive and behind the scenes. He has worked for Mr Hockey as a staffer and is currently a senior policy adviser at the lobby group, Tourism and Transport Forum (TTF). He is openly gay and is the current state president of the party."

14:49, 5 February 2015 Deor (talk | contribs) deleted page Trent Zimmerman (per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trent Zimmerman)

Castlemate (talk) 22:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * While I can't stop you re-creating the article, I advise against it as I don't think that that passes WP:POLITICIAN. To have an article, a candidate must have notability outside the election. If we didn't insist on this, we'd be inundated by articles about people that stood in elections as we then couldn't refuse Fred Bloggs (Free Mars Bars for Pensioners Party), Camillo Beruzzi (No Anchovies in Pizzas Party), Gloria Glama (Letsava Party), and so on. (Could be amusing, but not what an encyclopaedia is for. It isn't a place for promotion, and promotion is just what elections are about.) Personally, I have no interest in this election (whenever it is to be), and also couldn't care whether he's gay or not, black, white or purple, or whatever. I didn't delete it - it was deleted by consensus. Unless your new version is substantially different, it could be deleted under G4 (article previously deleted at AfD). If it doesn't show that he passes WP:POLITICIAN, or Peridon (talk) 11:30, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

User:Princeslyconagbesi
FYI: I've started an SPI for this user as they are doing the exact same thing at User:Prince Agbesi. It's here: Sockpuppet investigations/Princeslyconagbesi -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  17:10, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thought I'd seen him somewhere else. Thanks. Peridon (talk) 17:13, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Dr. JS Rajkumar
Hi Thank you for your guidance Peridon and User talk:Onel5969 I have added a few more references for the said draft page Dr. JS Rajkumar. I feel that the added links are notable for the said draft page. As per my research the person is notable so I fell that the said person should be on Wikipedia. So please go though the draft page User:Aarvig/DRAFT once again and please help us to make the page live. Aarvig (talk) 12:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

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Need Help for Dr JS Rajkumar Page
Hello Peridon, It would be very grateful and helpful for me if you guide me for creation of page I discussed with you or how to proceed further. I made some changes and I am eagerly waiting if you sought it out if there are still any issues with the same topic or content. Looking forward for your reply. Aarvig (talk) 11:07, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Gregory G. Curtin
We connected before on this article, I have re-wrote it in encyclopedic style and submitted the updated draft for review. Will you please review and see if it's approved? Thank you very much for your guidance as always! [User: GK at CRG] GK at CRG (talk) 01:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * At a first look, I'm not really sure about the references. Have a look at WP:RS again. I'll ask and/or  if they'll have a look. We don't usually repeat titles, by the way, and there's a feel of listing rather than article for me. Peridon (talk) 10:09, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * PS it's == at each end for a heading on a talk page. Peridon (talk) 10:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm taking a look this morning. Will post comments on the draft, so other editors can see the discussion which has taken place.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:06, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Peridon (talk) 14:54, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Osarius#Poker Central
You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Osarius. Hey, this user might be wanting a page restored - see rant on my talk page for further details. Thanks. Osarius - Want a chat? 21:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)