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Your draft article, Draft:Pacific forest trust


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Pacific Forest Trust (June 2)
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Your draft article, Draft:Pacific forest trust


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. 1989 (talk) 03:40, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Morgan Hebard
As an FYI, based upon your message on my talk page, I made this edit at Talk:Morgan Hebard regarding close connections. Again, let me know if there's any way I can help.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:55, 13 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I've moved some items to the talk page so that they get worked before moving them back to article space. It was just easier to explain it there.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:22, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Jose Perez (actor) (May 22)
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Your draft article, Draft:Jose Perez (actor)


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Your submission at Articles for creation: Jose Perez (actor) (February 9)
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Oops! I will fix it! Thanks for the notice! Perrydigm (talk) 06:46, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

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I addressed this issue when I first received notice about it a week ago. I don’t understand why I’m still getting notifications about it. Perrydigm (talk) 06:44, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested help with Jose Perez (actor)
Perrydigm, you asked if I'd look over your Draft:Jose Perez (actor) to offer help with it. I'll look it over more carefully when I have the time. Since it was declined for the second time because the draft references didn't show significant coverage (apparently articles about someone else just mentioned him) I'll need to read the references and try to find ones worth keeping, and delete the non-helpful ones. Do you want me to edit your draft and delete / shorten what I may consider unhelpful? Karenthewriter (talk) 13:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I would be grateful for any help you would be willing to give. I think I’ve addressed that issue too and only retained references that explicitly mention him or his performance (except in the one place where the references are authenticating the point I was making about certain shows “good reviews”), but if you find one I missed (or especially if you found a better one!), please do address it! Thank you so much. Perrydigm (talk) 16:53, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Thinking about this, I’m supposing that the most questionable section would be the “relative lack of fame” passage and it’s references. I will bow to whatever your conclusion is, but I felt some preemptive counter was called for (given the history), regarding the inclination I perceive on the part of reviewers to think that because they haven’t heard of someone or his work, that he probably isn’t “notable”, without recognizing other circumstances. There are also some studies detailing the relative lack of representation of Hispanics in show business, which may have played a part too, and which I considered citing, but honestly I think it’s more a result of the bad luck his shows had. Again, I will defer to your greater experience, and thank you for your help. Perrydigm (talk) 21:13, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Perrydigm (talk) I'm writing to let you know I'm planning on editing your draft, but it will take awhile.


 * One of my pet projects is working on articles connected to the defunct DuMont Television Network, and that includes creating the article Jack Orrison, about a man who co-starred in one of DuMont's most popular series. Orrison's an obscure actor, but I didn't say he is not well-known, or that many of his roles were small one-scene ones, because I don't consider that important. If you look at the article you'll see I said he was an actor, and here's a bunch of roles he played. If readers want to click on the links and figure out he wasn't a big-time movie star, more power to them. No one will bother reading the article unless they are interested in him, so I'm just telling what I know about him, not how important he was. (I'm experienced enough to publish articles without having them reviewed, but after a new article is published many experienced editors swoop down on it to see if it's okay, and no one let me know they thought Jack Orrison wasn't notable enough for an article.)


 * You are writing about someone who had continuing roles in numerous TV series, so don't be emphasizing that he's not famous. And don't be guessing why he's not well-known, for you can only write about what has been published about him, you can't give your opinion. Plus I found an article from 1975 that seems to show Perez was a big deal. He was the first actor offered the role of Chico on Chico and the Man and he turned the role down because he thought the show was insulting to Mexicans. I'll be including information from that article, which was reprinted in many newspapers. Here's what I found: https://www.newspapers.com/image/395908102/?terms=actor%20%22Jose%20Perez%22&match=1


 * Also, your article comes across as cluttered. You're wanting to make sure there are plenty of references, so you list two or more sources for one movie role. One reference proves that role exists, don't give more than one, for that makes more work for the reviewer. And Internet sources such as IMDb -- Internet Movie Database -- has user-generated content and Wikipedia considers that unreliable. If I see two references for the same info, and one is from an Internet data base, that's the reference I'll be deleting, for why give the reviewer numerous unreliable sources to wade through? I see no reason to write a movie is considered very good, or is a cult classic. Let readers click on a link to read an article about a movie if they desire more information, all that's necessary is to say Jose Perez had a role in the movie. Once or twice you can give a direct quote that some reviewer said Perez was excellent, but don't overdo it.


 * The beginning of an article is supposed to just give the gist of what you're writing about, to be expanded on further into the article. Don't start out by saying Perez was in plays that won lots of awards, just give his most famous roles, and if people want to continue reading go into detail later on. Don't overwhelm with facts and figures right off the bat. I'll try to declutter your article next week, and if you hate what I've done your can revert to your version before submitting once more. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:44, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. What you say sounds good. I think I did get a bit defensive about his notability and my references, and may have gone a bit overboard in response. I didn’t know IMDb was considered unreliable until after I’d already composed a bunch of references to the site, and, though I managed to find alternate sources for most (but not quite all) of the roles, I couldn’t quite bring myself to chuck all the work I put into them, but you’re right; it is a bit cluttered and I’m sure whatever you do will be an improvement. Cool article you found too! Don’t know why I never found that one. Thanks again! Perrydigm (talk) 05:51, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I spent hours working on your draft, but got completely lost in all your references (116 of them!) while in editing mode, and so didn't save anything because I was completely overwhelmed, and was sure I'd made a mess of things. I'll try again later, because I promised you help. I'll need to figure out some way to work on this and keep all those online references straight. How I wish my laptop wasn't so old, and one of my browsers hadn't "crashed". If I could have two browsers open it might help me keep track of the Preview and Editing version of things.


 * You seem to be telling the Perez story three times. In the beginning paragraphs, the Career section, and then in the Theatre, Film and Television listings. I believe you need to have a bit more faith in your future readers. If a film, series, or Broadway show has an internal link, those that want to know details can click on those titles and get details. If the reader wants to know about Jose Perez they may not care who his directors and fellow actors were, they may just want to know what Jose did. When I can figure out how to sort through all your references, I'll try to delete most of the IMDb ones, and try to condense his career story to make it more readable. (I work mostly with history articles, get most of my cites from printed books, and I'm not at all familiar with online citations that are hard for me to decipher while editing.) Karenthewriter (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

I reduced the references by half, and believe I made the beginning section, Early Life, and Career more readable for someone who just wants the basics of Perez's life, without knowing everyone he worked with. For those who want to know more about a film or a show there are the internal links that will take the reader to more information. One of the references has a "Check |url= value (help)" notice but that's a problem for someone else to deal with. I will not be able to provide additional help with this draft. I'm sure the actor is a fine person, but it's not my project, and it's hard to get motivated over someone who doesn't interest me. I've spent about 10 hours on this, and now I retire from the task.

I can't guarantee that the draft will be published, but Perez seems to be a notable person, and most of the remaining references should be acceptable.

Though I've never been a prominent writer, I've been published numerous times in print magazines, plus in a few books, before I even knew Wikipedia existed. I consider myself a good writer, but writing for Wikipedia is a challenge. There are rules that must be followed, and some I don't completely agree with, but I understand why they are in place. I write for Wikipedia because there are subjects that are important to me, and I know most libraries have fewer reference books, and online sources are the way that a large percentage of readers learn things. I want to provide good information on what is important to me, so others can have access to what I've researched.

I hope that you learn more about the ins and outs of Wikipedia, and become more comfortable following the guidelines. Best wishes on getting your draft accepted for publication. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:45, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Wow. Karenthewriter, you wield a sharp scalpel! Thank you so much for all your work! I hope it won’t annoy you if I adjust it here and there, but you have clearly provided me with a solid foundation to work from and a very helpful perspective for judging what to include and what not to. I’m really grateful, even if it does sting a little to see so much of what I worked on deleted. What you described as your motivation fits for me too. When there’s a subject I’ve learned about that strikes me as interesting, I want that information to be available to others without having to dig as much as I did. One question: is there a reference location/list of reference sites (like IMDB) that are considered unreliable (or, alternatively, the inverse- a list of acceptable sites) that I can refer to, to avoid citing problems in the future? Perrydigm (talk) 05:45, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Perrydigm (talk) please feel free to edit your draft in anyway you feel is best. You are the expert on you, and of your work. If it is important to you that something be included, then include it. I am obviously biased in what I feel is important or unimportant, but my opinions aren't infallible, so I may have been over zealous in my removal of what I considered to be telling something more than once.


 * As for a reliable listing of good and bad sources, yes there is one, but I don't know what it's called. Recently I saw one cited at the Teahouse, but I just read through it, then typed up my own reference document listing the sources I'm likely to want to use. The best thing I can find to share is: Reliable sources. Karenthewriter (talk) 06:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again! Perrydigm (talk) 18:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you so much Mr. McClenon! As you know this has been a long struggle for me. I’m grateful for all of it as it has also been very educational, but I am very glad to be coming out the other end!

Thanks again. Perrydigm (talk) 15:38, 30 July 2021 (UTC) Perrydigm (talk) 15:38, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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