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Removal of EF Typhoons afterburning thrust from specifications
Your edit to Eurofighter Typhoon https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eurofighter_Typhoon&oldid=907308787 removed the relevant afterburning thrust specification, and only left the less relevant dry thrust. Do not make edits which remove relevant information. --Hkultala (talk) 07:46, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Stick it up your ar.. Don't be so judgemental, it was obviously an oversight and not a deliberate omission.--Petebutt (talk) 13:17, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

List of aircraft (J)
RE: You recent addition here, where you added Janoir, you only provided a ref name of "Davilla" and not a full citation, and it was causing a cite error in the references section, as was mis-spelled "name", anyway I took a wild guess and figured it was James Davilla's book, French Aircraft of the First World War, Flying Machines Press (2002) and added that, but I don't know the page number. If I was right, could you add the page number or if I was wrong, please feel free to add the right citation. Thanks for your contributions. Isaidnoway (talk)  15:44, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Where the reference is in alphabetical order i don't give page numbers to avoid filling the page with un-necessary repeats of essentially the same reference. Anybody that can't access a book alphabetically would very probably not be looking at a reference in the first place.--Petebutt (talk) 18:22, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Xmas

 * 2018 XMAS.pdf FWiW Bzuk (talk) 00:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Unexplained changes of referencing style?
I note edits by yourself yesterday to two Walter engine articles, although you added content with a new reference at the same time you changed the existing citation style to your own preferred style which is against the editing guideline WP:CITEVAR. This has been noted before by myself and other editors, please stop. For your benefit I have pasted the relevant parts of the guideline here to save you clicking the shortcut link. The bolding is mine.

Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change. The arbitration committee ruled in 2006:

"Wikipedia does not mandate styles in many different areas; these include (but are not limited to) American vs. British spelling, date formats, and citation style. Where Wikipedia does not mandate a specific style, editors should not attempt to convert Wikipedia to their own preferred style, nor should they edit articles for the sole purpose of converting them to their preferred style, or removing examples of, or references to, styles which they dislike."

As with spelling differences, it is normal practice to defer to the style used by the first major contributor or adopted by the consensus of editors already working on the page, unless a change in consensus has been achieved. If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow it; if you believe it is inappropriate for the needs of the article, seek consensus for a change on the talk page. If you are the first contributor to add citations to an article, you may choose whichever style you think best for the article.

If all or most of the citations in an article consist of bare URLs, or otherwise fail to provide needed bibliographic data – such as the name of the source, the title of the article or web page consulted, the author (if known), the publication date (if known), and the page numbers (where relevant) – then that would not count as a "consistent citation style" and can be changed freely to insert such data. The data provided should be sufficient to uniquely identify the source, allow readers to find it, and allow readers to initially evaluate it without retrieving it.

To be avoided
When an article is already consistent, avoid:
 * switching between major citation styles, e.g. parenthetical and tags, or replacing the preferred style of one academic discipline with another's;
 * adding citation templates to an article that already uses a consistent system without templates, or removing citation templates from an article that uses them consistently;
 * changing where the references are defined, e.g. moving reference definitions in the reflist to the prose, or moving reference definitions from the prose into the reflist.

I'm afraid the next time this happens an ANI report will be raised, to avoid that happening I politely ask that the guideline is respected. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  03:56, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I do, usually where there are more than one style already, or bare URl refs. Apart from that, the concensus MUST be to use the wizard that is provided with EVERY edit page, or it wouldn't be there!!. If you don't like that style start a discussion to get it removed!!--Petebutt (talk) 13:06, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * In these two articles there was clearly only one style of citation and no bare URLs so even by your own standard the style should not have been changed. What is this wizard that we are forced to use? Can you provide a link? Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  13:49, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair point, I shall not change overall style, but I will continue to only use the supplied templates for all refs I add, then any editor that objects can change it to the prevailing style. In the toolbar select Cite and a Template drop down appears where you can select the template you want, from web, book, news or journal.--Petebutt (talk) 13:53, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * So you will continue to ignore the guideline? I don't see the compulsory citation template markup code on an editing page, it is probably an optional editing gadget selected in 'Preferences'. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  14:03, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Didn't say it was compulsory! but it is a standardised system supplied by wikipedia on every edit window, so I will continue to use it!--Petebutt (talk) 14:14, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You said above 'MUST be to use...' with emphasis on 'must' using capital letters, sounds compulsory to me. It can't be a standardised system if it is a user selected optional gadget. In the guideline text above it clearly states that there is no mandated (compulsory) citation style across the project and equally clearly states that whatever style is established should be followed. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  14:27, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You seem to enjoy taking things out of context. The implication is that Wikipedia supply the template so use it!!, Not compulsory but obviously recommended.--Petebutt (talk) 14:31, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm just repeating your opinion typed in black and white. There is no implication of anything, here's the first line of Citation templates, Citation templates are used to format citations in a consistent way, as an alternative to formatting the citations by hand. The use of citation templates is neither encouraged nor discouraged. My bolding again, the rest of that paragraph is worth reading. At least we've established that you have little regard for editing guidelines which is perplexing in a collaborative project. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  14:53, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Have you used a cite template here accidentally? Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  17:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks i missed that!--Petebutt (talk) 19:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You might have corrected yourself but that's not why I'm here. You have introduced a citation template where there were none before. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  21:14, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

1978 Finnish Air Force DC-3 crash image
A discussion about the removal of an image you added to 1978 Finnish Air Force DC-3 crash is on going here. - Samf4u (talk) 15:09, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. This is regarding your "loony lefty" and "idiot" commentaries in the discussion above. If you can't make your point without insulting other editors, you will be blocked. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:56, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I hear what you are saying, but the editor in question WAS both an idiot and a loony lefty. I shall bite my tongue in future!--Petebutt (talk) 19:37, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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Turbomeca Turmo (gas producer)
When do except to have this new article completed? - BilCat (talk) 20:20, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No timescale yet. Need more sources. The engine is based on the Palouste/Artouste with a single shaft and free-power turbine driving a gas producer compressor. Not 100% sure of its relation to the Turmo III and later turboshafts ( which are two-shaft engines),--Petebutt (talk) 23:25, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Founad another source - done--Petebutt (talk) 09:32, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Convert errors
Howdy. Just a friendly reminder, make sure you preview your edits... You dumped a couple of pages into Category:Convert errors. I've made MORE than my fair share of mistakes so not pointing fingers, just a friendly reminder. :-) -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:46, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

specifications templates and CITEVAR
Please respect the existing reference format per WP:CITEVAR when changing specifications templates - and please do not replace a precise citation referring to an individual page to one to a larger page range without a good reason.Nigel Ish (talk) 17:46, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I do get carried away. However I generally ensure that my references comply with the required APA style. To do this I use the templates provided which give a consistent output. On other occasions the reference given is NOT broad enough, particularly in Specification sections, requiring that the whole sectio n of text on the subject is cited. If you feel I have gone too far feel free to discuss it, bearing in mind that WP:CITEVAR encourages improvement of citations and reference!!--Petebutt (talk) 18:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * As people keep on telling you, the use of templates is not required, and CITEVAR explicitly says that. The APA style is not required, as you should know from all the discussions above - in addition, you appear to be changing away from the perfectly permissible Harvard (or short style) references as widely used. That is against the spirit of CITVAR and does not represent an improvement to the article or the referencing.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:21, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I have never said that use of the templates is required!!! I use them as it is easy and gives a consistent output which satisfies the requirement to use APA, no more, no less.--Petebutt (talk) 18:27, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement to use APA. What you are doing is making the referencing less consistent and less precise. Please make the effort to keep a consistent style of referencing. It the article uses short Harvard style referencing, then keep with that format.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:34, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Curtiss-Wright CW-19
Please review Curtiss-Wright CW-19. I'm not sure what should be done to fix " 0.300 2 machine-gun". Johnuniq (talk) 07:07, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * done--Petebutt (talk) 07:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Yet another unilateral cite format change
How many times will it take before realizing that you need to conform to the existing citation style in an article instead of changing things to suit your own preferences. Referencing to the Douglas A2D Skyshark article--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:02, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Calm the F**k down. There was a mix and match so I just standardised. See WP:CITEVAR.--Petebutt (talk) 22:53, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Then you need to do a little digging and use the format used by whoever first added a cite, provided that it complies with the normal rules for cite formats. It would also be good to proofread your changes for capitalization, etc.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:42, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Thrust/weight ratio
Just a tip. Thrust-to-weight ratio is defined as a dimensionless quantity. Changing it to lbf/lb and a metric equivalent as in, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martin_P6M_SeaMaster&direction=next&oldid=896096789, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird&direction=next&oldid=901841416, and others you've changed, really doesn't help matters. Michael F 1967 (talk) 01:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Me again. Seriously, this isn't funny. I'm not Wiki-savvy enough to trawl through your edits and correct the seemingly rather large number of misplaced changes you've made of correct dimensionless thrust-to-weight ratios into lbf/lb. It'd help Wikipedia greatly if you undid the mistaken conversions yourself. Michael F 1967 (talk) 02:23, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You are wong!! how can it be dimsionless?? It would require the same units for both halves of the ratio, which they clearly aren't lbdf  is NOT lb, likewise kN are NOT kg. Go back to your maths!!--Petebutt (talk) 08:27, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * To remove confusion change the entry in the template to Propulsive efficiency. What i state still stands\! the ratio of thrust to weight is NOT dimensionless, whereas Propulsive Efficiency IS.--Petebutt (talk) 08:33, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


 * You are confusing mass with weight - please read at least the first paragraph of the mass versus weight article. If you stick with SI units, it becomes clear.


 * As the Wikipedia article thrust-to-weight ratio (which I also linked to above) states: The thrust-to-weight ratio can be calculated by dividing the thrust (in SI units – in newtons) by the weight (in newtons) of the engine or vehicle and is a dimensionless quantity.


 * In SI units, thrust is measured in newtons, and weight - being the force exerted on an object by gravity - is also measured in newtons. Newtons divided by newtons is obviously a dimensionless ratio.


 * This is explained in the article linked to by every thrust/weight ratio entry in the performance tables I've corrected. It clearly explains your mistake.  Please read the article thrust-to-weight ratio and please stop making incorrect changes.  It would also be helpful if you reviewed your edits and undid the mistakes you have made when changing thrust-to-weight ratio entries Michael F 1967 (talk) 15:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Change it to Thrust/Mass!! and i will comply, or just add Thrust/Mass. By your own argument Weight is NOT mass and vice versa--Petebutt (talk) 18:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * It is not my argument. Thrust is force - newtons. Weight is force - newtons. The ratio is thrust/weight, which is newtons per newton. This is dimensionless. Thrust/mass is not the quantity specified in the aircraft and engine templates we're dealing with.


 * Please read the explanation I provided above, and please read the linked articles. Then please adhere to reality, not your mistaken ideas. Michael F 1967 (talk) 18:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Thrust to weight ratio is not propulsive efficiency
I see that you have edited the Mikoyan-Gurevich I-350 article, and added a mistaken label propulsive efficiency for the previously correctly labelled thrust/weight figure. Please do not make any more such changes.

Earlier correct version - updated by you to use the Aircraft specs template. That was a welcome change.

Subsequent incorrect version - in which you incorrectly labelled the referenced thrust/weight figure with propulsive efficiency.

So far, I've corrected (I think) over 200 thrust/weight figures to which you have erroneously given units. I do not want to have to repeat that exercise with respect to you mislabelling correct thrust/weight figures as propulsive efficiency. Please read the propulsive efficiency article to understand your mistake in this case. Propulsive efficiency cannot be expressed as a single number.





As the propulsive efficiency article states, overall propulsive efficiency $$\eta$$ is the efficiency with which the energy contained in a vehicle's propellant is converted into kinetic energy of the vehicle, to accelerate it, or to replace losses due to aerodynamic drag or gravity.

For reasons which should be obvious, it is a non-trivial job to determine propulsive efficiency which in any case varies greatly with operating conditions. Propulsive efficiency cannot be expressed as a single figure; it can only be described by a graph or other means of showing one parameter varying against another parameter (or parameters). Propulsive efficiency is, therefore, hardly ever given in a list of aviation specifications.

If a spec list says thrust/weight, please just leave it as thrust/weight.

Michael F 1967 (talk) 17:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I see that you've made the same error with:


 * Myasishchev M-4
 * Su-11 - and you changed the actual number in this case, and mistakenly provided a unit conversion (landing speed) to an explicit but unjustified precision of 9 figures past the decimal point. In any case, you should use the sigfig=N parameter rather than number of figures past the decimal point.
 * Tu-160


 * I've corrected four of these new mistakes of yours. Please stop it.


 * Please check your thinking before making similar modifications to correct specifications in future. All you have to do is read the appropriate articles here on Wikipedia to avoid making this sort of mistake. Michael F 1967 (talk) 18:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Removing links to specification templates
Please stop deleting all links to the Template:Aircraft specifications and Template:Aircraft specs templates from talk pages - it makes the talk pages harder to follow and has no apparent benefit.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * And stop edit warring - such action is disruptive.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Not edir warring following the result of proper discussion--Petebutt (talk) 18:15, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You are breaking talk page discussions - for example here you removed links to talk page discussions on another page! - even if the templates themselves are depreciated we still need to be able to link to the talk pages, or the discussions become worthless. For example - how can anyone confirm that there is a consensus to depreciate the use of these templates if all links to the discussions about them have been removed.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Aircraft thrust to weight ratio - B-47
Your edit Special:PermanentLink/913587953 incorrectly appended (non-dimensional) to the previously correct purely numerical entry for thrust/weight ratio.

Since thrust/weight ratio is defined as a pure number, the correct form for this parameter is a pure number without any units or other words being involved.

Nothing anywhere suggests otherwise as you would know if you'd read up on the subject - the article linked to by every thrust/weight entry in all these spec lists explains the matter in full.

It is exactly as pointless and wrong to add dimensionless (the correct term) after giving the thrust/weight ratio figure as it is to add in units of length after (for example) the length parameter in aircraft specs.

Please leave thrust/weight entries as pure numbers. Anything else is just plain wrong and I'm getting a bit fed up with undoing errors that you've introduced.

If you think I'm wrong, please provide a reference to a reliable source that indicates otherwise.

Michael F 1967 (talk) 20:40, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Aren'twebeing just a tad OCD about this?--Petebutt (talk) 23:51, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Two things: firstly, please just stop messing things up. Yes, I know you mean well, and you do a lot of very decent work here. But I've noticed you're a bit sloppy about fine detail from time to time - and when I say from time to time, I mean I've corrected (I think) more than two hundred errors that you've introduced by changing correct specifications into incorrect specifications.


 * Can you say Argh! ?


 * Secondly, and rather more importantly:


 * https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2017/may/10/downside-increased-mental-health-awareness True OCD has many, often-debilitating features that put a serious dent in the individuals ability to live a normal life, and these usually have to all be present before someone is diagnosed with the condition. Again, it’s not something that comes and goes, like mild hay fever. Hence my usual response to someone claiming to be “a little bit OCD” is: “That’s nice. I’m a little bit five foot ten.” That’s not how things work.


 * https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/28/stephen-fry-ocd-eyes-tweet-mental-illness OCD is not, as Fry's tweet would nudge yet more people towards believing, a behavioural quirk. It's not an exaggerated love of order and hygiene. It's a disorder of thought: harrowing, distressing, torturing, impossible-to-shake thought. That's the O in OCD – obsession – and it's what causes most of the D from the same abbreviation. (It stands for disorder but means distress.)


 * OCD is a disorder that causes enormous distress. Thankfully, I don't suffer from it. For the sake of those who do, those who suffer further distress at the modern casual habit of using OCD as a put-down for anyone who (as in my case) cares about accuracy and precision, please don't use that sort of taunt again. Me? I'm not bothered; it's them I'm concerned about.


 * Finally, I'm pretty sure that there are Wikipedia guidelines about not getting personal about things (and for assuming good faith, as I am with respect to you). Well, I'm trying to educate you; what's your comment about me being OCD about? — that's meant as a rhetorical question, but one for your contemplation.


 * I recognise there's a good chance you find my interventions slightly irritating. But that sort of thing goes both ways, you know?


 * Michael F 1967 (talk) 01:27, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sometimes you just haver to take therough with the smooth!! As for the "(I think) two hundred" ONE mistake repeated, so don't beat your gums up too much!!--Petebutt (talk) 01:42, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


 * One mistake repeated? No, more like over a couple of hundred instances of separately turning correct information into wrong information, and you were still at it yesterday.


 * As for taking the rough with the smooth—well, yes, that's life on an open encylopaedia project with everyone able to see what you're up to, isn't it? My beady eye is looking out. Michael F 1967 (talk) 02:03, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Your good faith changes to the Sukhoi Su-47 article
In your edit Special:PermanentLink/913783721, you replaced a thrust/weight ratio entry with two specifications supposedly from Jane's all the World's Aircraft 2000–01 which you know to be incorrect by definition since they have units.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sukhoi_Su-47&diff=prev&oldid=913783721

One is supposed to use editorial discretion and apply common sense. If information supplied is plainly wrong, then it should not be included. If the information is supplied in a mistaken form for which the fix is obvious, then fix it before inclusion.

If a source credits Robert Waston-Watt rather than Robert Watson-Watt with work on WWII radar, well, correct the spelling. That's just editorial judgement combined with common sense. Same with this. It seems you've hit on a common mistake. By definition, thrust to weight ratio is a ratio. That means it's defined as a parameter which is a dimensionless pure number. Any source suggesting anything else is, by definition, wrong: either by mistake or design.

This is a matter purely of definition: by definition, ratios are dimensionless numbers. It's an established fact by definition. So by definition, anyone presenting a ratio as anything else has got it wrong either by mistake or design.

I do wonder what the actual entry in Jane's actually is: Jane's is a serious bit of work, but according to your edit they provide thrust/weight as 0.009kN/kg or 0.0119kN/kg, which is a bit silly when 9N/kg-f and 11.19N/kg-f make much more sense. Also, providing an aircraft thrust/weight ratio to three or four significant figures is highly dubious practice by definition since aircraft weight and thrust are generally not able to be specified as well as that—that's another matter of common sense.

Are you really just copying out the figures exactly as provided?

There is also the problem that you provide two figures labelled as follows:


 * thrust/weight=0.009 kN/kg max
 * thrust/weight=0.0119 kN/kg normal

That is also by definition incorrect. The ratio 0.918, supposedly maximum thrust/weight according to your edit, is smaller than the ratio 1.213, supposedly normal thrust to weight according to your edit.

Applying common sense and a bit of background knowledge, I'd guess you mean maximum take-off weight and normal take-off weight but I can't be sure.

So I've corrected your good faith edit of thrust/weight ratio which repeated an obvious mistake in an otherwise reliable source, and modified max and normal in line with what I think the book probably stated.

Michael F 1967 (talk) 15:08, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * FFS do shut up!--Petebutt (talk) 17:02, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, dear ;-) Michael F 1967 (talk) 23:58, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

You moved the page Tiger Triumph to Excercise Tiger Triumph. Do try harder next time.
I know you know that if you're going to move a page, you need to get the spelling right. The dull thumping noise you can hear off in the distance is once again my head hitting my desk.

Even with the correct spelling of Exercise Tiger Triumph to which I've moved the page, it's an orphan; perhaps adding a redirection page 'Tiger Triumph' would have been a good idea since that's the short form of the name and the original title of the article.

I've had a go, but I've not found a direct way to create a new page so I'm going via the slow wizard route. Perhaps you could create the appropriate redirection page?

Or maybe it's not needed: I'm a little confused at this point.

(Tiger Triumph is entirely different to Triumph Tiger)

Michael F 1967 (talk) 21:43, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Your point being?--Petebutt (talk) 00:02, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The important point is that you made a very silly spelling mistake which would have made it harder to find the article Exercise Tiger Triumph, if someone hadn't fixed your very silly spelling mistake. If you mis-spell something, it's harder to find when searching. The dull thumping noise is still my head hitting my desk. Please note: the previous sentence was humour.  The first two sentences in this paragraph are serious, although they do contain a little sarcasm. Michael F 1967 (talk) 22:05, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * - fat chance. none in commons--Petebutt (talk) 17:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * What about uploading a fair use image?  scope_creep Talk  17:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you have one?--Petebutt (talk) 17:37, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:BLACKLIST" listed at Redirects for discussion
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WP:BLACKLIST
Just a heads up, I reverted your !vote at. This should be made on the RfD page, not on the redirect page itself. You can navigate there from the notice at the top if you want to add it back to the discussion. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 04:10, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Aircraft accidents and incidents
Hi Petebutt, What a lively and entertaining discussion going on at Articles for deletion/2019 Gabriola Island crash. You mentioned elevating WikiProject Aviation/Aircraft accidents and incidents to policy. Do you believe that would be possible? How would one go about starting that process? - Samf4u (talk) 14:18, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure, exactly, but it would involve opening a discussion probably at the Aviation accident project talk page.--Petebutt (talk) 17:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I have started a discussion here. - Samf4u (talk) 17:06, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Good effort!--Petebutt (talk) 02:12, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

nike sites
I don't understand why you changed the articles I started on CD-78 and PH-75 to redirect back to the huge Nike Missile Site page. I happen to have done work on these two sites and that's why I created them. There is nothing wrong with each site eventually having its own page, and I think it is useful. And in fact putting the air photos I uploaded at the bottom of the large page I think lessens their value. Jstuby (talk) 20:44, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Are they notable for something OTHER than just being Nike sites ; apply Notability. Did anything happen there? Notabilty!! There is no reason why Nike sites should have individual pages and to list them is adequate, generally.--Petebutt (talk) 01:50, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Did "anything" happen there? Of course something happened there.  Each site has its unique history, whether a launch or an accident or some other military activity occurred or not.  It so happens groundwater is contaminated at these two and many others that I am aware of, which is of public interest.  It is useful to have a page that discusses the details of that, which I was working on, but I can't do that if it is redirected to a giant list page.  I would like to undo the redirects, and maybe we can revisit this in a month? Jstuby (talk) 00:23, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you have verifiable sources for these notable incidents then fill your boots, otherwise the re-directs would be re-instated and or article deleted. Despite your feelings very few of the Nike sites warrant stand-alone articles. Just because it was a Nike site does not warrant inclusion in Wikipedia as a stand-alone article, I re-iterate "are they notable for something OTHER than being a Nike site"?. As for Groundwater, there is a case for mention in the main Nike article and / or local articles for areas affected. Build a case for articles on every Nike site and put it up for discussion!!--Petebutt (talk) 00:58, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
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A little word of gratitude
Dear, excuse me for not finding out how to award impressive-looking xxx_wings or yyyy_stars. Still I'd like to offer my bit of laud and appreciation for your ceaseless work, especially regarding specifications of historical aircraft. Many thanks! Keep up the good work! Jan olieslagers (talk) 18:33, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No, problem, thanks--Petebutt (talk) 18:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

LWF
Wondering why the hypehns? The company itself, and contemporary sources used either nothing (as with their logo), periods, dots mid way up the letters, or hyphens, seemingly as their fancy struck. We don't use periods or anything else in any of the other aircraft company acronyms, so why here?&#32;- NiD.29 (talk) 08:37, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand your concerns, but in this case the Company designation was L-W-F Engineering Co Inc. (after Lowe, Willard and Fowler left). The evidence favours the hyphens, however, it might be prudent to find a concensus and add notes showing the variations. What it is almost certain NOT to have been is LWF or L W F--Petebutt (talk) 13:24, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No-one has suggested spaces so forget that straw man, and they themselves were not sufficiently consistent to justify using hyphens (here they use periods when they write out the name, and nothing in their logo), and we don't use punctuation or other usual styling anywhere else. Lots of companies have acronyms for names, but none get periods on wikipedia, and those hyphens are nothing more than stylized periods, which is covered by MOS:POINTS. They are not an integral part of the name.&#32;- NiD.29 (talk) 16:52, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not adding hyphens for the hyphens sake!! That is how some historians have taken to be correct. The ad that you refer to has periods, central dots are not on a strandard keyboard so are frowned upon. Leave with the hyphens and note the variations (don't forget the printer for the company ads might not have printed it correctly).--Petebutt (talk) 19:54, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, and many of those same historians use periods for other company names that are formed from acronyms - but the aircraft project frowns on that.&#32;- NiD.29 (talk) 06:51, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Reference formatting
Now I am wondering why you are changing both the Buhl Airsedan and Cunningham-Hall PT-6 pages FROM the standard referencing layout to a deprecated format?&#32;- NiD.29 (talk) 06:51, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Because they weren't consistent, with bare urls, some refs not defined etc. etc. I have put them all in one format. If you want them in another feel free. I don't change ref styles, as a rule, only if there are inconsistencies and I only use one format. If you don't want me to change formats, ensure any articles you are interested in have consistent ref formats.--Petebutt (talk) 07:02, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * deprecated format??--Petebutt (talk) 10:08, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Doesn't mention deprecationhere Help:Citation Style 1--Petebutt (talk) 10:10, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

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Miles Aerovan, Hurel-Dubois, &c
Dear, Thanks for your recent update to the Miles Aerovan article. Allow me to suggest you could further improve with an interlanguage-link to our French colleagues' page about the Hurel-Dubois company - even if it is there marked as a stub: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9_de_construction_des_avions_Hurel-Dubois Yes, I know I could and should consider doing so myself, but these interlanguage links are quite hard on me, I am sure you can manage them better than my poor self. On the other hand, you are very welcome to ask for help in translating from French to English. Keep up the good work! Jan olieslagers (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

March Madness 2020
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"Phra Khanong" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Sikorsky S-434
Hi Pete, if you get a chance, Sikorsky S-434 needs a proper specs template. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 10:08, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that was fast! - BilCat (talk) 19:51, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

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Aircraft Industries L 410 NG
Hi Pete, Aircraft Industries L 410 NG needs proper specs. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 00:49, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * done!--Petebutt (talk) 05:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Kerch Strait incident (2019)
Hi, you've recently moved Kerch Strait incident (2019) to 2019 Kerch Strait liquified gas tanker fire which is the correct title, however moving a page without a discussion is discouraged. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 14:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Not idf it is a naming convention - by definition already discussed.--Petebutt (talk) 14:14, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Pratt & Whitney F401
Hi Pete, do you access to any details on the Pratt & Whitney F401? It's currently a redirect to the F100 page, and never found enough details on it to warrant splitting it off. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 23:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Jane's 77-78 page 825. Not a lot there. Proposed for the F-14B (F401-PW-400 - JTF22A-24A) Prototype ran in September 1972, two flight cleared engines fitted to an F-14B development aircraft in June 1973. A larger fan than the F100, only flown in the F-14B  and XFV-12A:-


 * Thanks. It's better than nothing, and we can use the specs. - BilCat (talk) 03:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Same info in 74-75 and 76-77--Petebutt (talk) 03:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Specifications (F401-PW-401)
--Petebutt (talk) 03:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Specifications for the BG-1 and BG-2 bomb gliders
I just got a copy of Bill Norton's book American Military Gliders of World War II: Development, Training, Experimentation, and Tactics of All Aircraft Types and you'll find drawings and specifications of the BG-1 and BG-2 bomb gliders on pages 209 and 210 of this book. I've already written a draft article Draft:Fletcher BG-2, and Norton (2008, 2012) includes a photo of the first BG-1 (built in manned configuration to test the BG-1's flight characteristics), and you may want to ask Bill Norton to provide you with 3-view drawings of the BG-1 and BG-2, because Andrade (1979, p. 59, 96) mistakenly states that the three BG-2s on order were originally to have been completed as Frankfort CG-1s, when in fact the BG-2 was a completely different design than the CG-1 and the BG-2 contract was signed in April 1942, shortly after the CG-1 contract was cancelled (Norton (2008) rightly points out that the BG-2, like the BG-1, was derived from the CQ-1 drone control plane.

Andrade, John (1979). U.S.Military Aircraft Designations and Serials since 1909. Midland Counties Publications. ISBN 0-904597-22-9.

Bill Norton: "American Military Glider Experiments of WWII", AAHS Journal Vol. 53 No. 2, Summer 2008

Norton, Bill. American Military Gliders of World War II: Development, Training, Experimentation, and Tactics of All Aircraft Types. Atglen, PA: Shiffer Publishing, Ltd. pp. 209-210.Supercalifornication (talk) 03:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
 * OK, what are you asking me to do? Seems you have it covered and anyhthing that needs a tweak, we can do, or point it out for you to do. Just cite the references for pertinent facts and anything that might be contoversial / contested, in which case tou will need to offer both sides of the argument. Small tip with Aircraft specs, nothing will show until you save it with the units specified "imp" for mph/mi/ft (UK and US up to about 1960), "kts" for kn/nmi/ft or "met" for m/km/km/h (any nation that was using the metric system at the time). (Note that Japan confusingly mixed and matched but for our purposes use "met").--Petebutt (talk) 05:23, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I just uploaded a 3-view drawing of the Fletcher BG-2 (courtesy of George Cully) at Draft:Fletcher BG-2, which shows what the BG-2 would have looked like had it been built. I also uploaded an image of a Fletcher BG-1 at Muroc in 1942 at Wikimedia Commons.Supercalifornication (talk) 14:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian

Specifications for the Brochet MB.60 Barbastelle, Cierva-Lepère C.27, and DAR 3
I'm curious to see if there are any sources you're aware of that contain specifications for the Brochet MB.60, Cierva-Lepère C.27, and DAR 3, because specs for the MB.60 and C.27 have been mostly hard to come by for me.Supercalifornication (talk) 13:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
 * http://avions.brochet.free.fr/Histoire4.html is a start--Petebutt (talk) 16:58, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brochet_MB-60--Petebutt (talk) 16:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I shall check Gaillard in the morning and get back to you.--Petebutt (talk) 17:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I just added Gaillard's reference to the reference list for the Draft:Brochet MB.60 article.Supercalifornication (talk) 21:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
 * I just added Gaillard's reference to the reference list for the Draft:Brochet MB.60 article.Supercalifornication (talk) 21:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian


 * DAR 3:- Ivan Borislavov. DAR-3 "Garvan" - A Miracle from Bozhurishte
 * Konstantin Konstadinov. Aircraft built in Bulgaria
 * Dimitar Nedelyakov. Breathtaking power to the kingdom of Bulgaria
 * AirMagazine 20. Borislav Petrov. DAR-1 & DAR-1A
 * Flieger Revue Extra No.18. Peter Korrel. Winter in Bulgarien
 * Jet & Prop 1993-06. Ivan B. Petrov. Die bulgarischen Flugzeuge des deutschen Professors Herman Winter
 * Le Fana de l'Avaition 1991-06. Jean Noel, Malcolm Passingham. La production aeronautique bulgare
 * L + K 1991-01. Vaclav Nemecek. DAR 3A Garvan III


 * https://sites.google.com/site/stingrayslistofrotorcraft/cierva-lepre-c27--cl10
 * https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/cierva-lep%C3%A8re-c-l-10-autogiro-cierva-c-27.20031/

Creating articles for little-known Cicaré helicopters
Specifications and info for the Cicaré CH-4, Cicaré CH-5, Cicaré CH-6, and Cicaré CH-8 is available at these links:


 * http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/cicare_ch-4.php
 * http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/cicare_ch-5.php
 * http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/cicare_ch-6.php
 * http://www.cicare.com.ar/cicare8/

Therefore, if time permits, you can use these weblinks to create articles for the Cicaré CH-4, Cicaré CH-5, Cicaré CH-6, and Cicaré CH-8.Supercalifornication (talk) 14:25, 4 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian


 * Except you can't: WikiProject Aircraft/Aviastar. - Ahunt (talk) 15:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Here are better links (not falling afoul of copyright infringement) that you can use to create articles for the Cicaré CH-4, Cicaré CH-5, Cicaré CH-6, and Cicaré CH-8:


 * https://vertipedia.vtol.org/aircraft/getAircraft/aircraftID/39
 * http://www.cicare.com.ar/cicare8/
 * https://vertipedia.vtol.org/aircraft/getAircraft/aircraftID/40
 * http://www.helistart.com/helicopters/Cicare/CH-6

That should be good enough.Supercalifornication (talk) 15:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
 * - Ahunt (talk) 16:30, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Request for pictures/drawings from Goupy Types A and B aircraft
I just created draft articles Draft:Goupy Type A and Draft:Goupy Type B, and I thought you may want to surf the book French Aerlanes Before the Great War for drawings or other info about the Goupy Types A and B that you can incorporate into those articles.Supercalifornication (talk) 19:26, 4 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian

Creation of Draft:Laister-Kauffman article; specs for Naval Air Establishment airplanes
I just created the article Draft:Laister-Kauffman, and I was thinking you can improve this article by mentioning the Laister Sailplanes company, since the CG-10 was the only cargo glider designed by Jack Laister, who was involved in sailplane designs.

By the way, you can also add the specifications for the Naval Air Establishment Nin Hai, Naval Air Establishment Chiang Gaen, and Naval Air Establishment Chiang Hau, since Angelucci (2001) provides specs for the Nin Hai.

Angelucci, Enzo (2001). The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft 1914 to the Present. Edison, NJ: Chartwell books. ISBN 0-7858-1359-4.Supercalifornication (talk) 03:37, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian

Specifications for the Albatros L 70
I found an online entry for the Albatros L 70 and even though it mentions the specified role and engine, it doesn't contain any other specifications. Are you aware of any source that contains specifications for the L 70?Supercalifornication (talk) 14:59, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian

Was it really necessary to do this page move?
2019 Pilatus PC 12 crash is at AFD and looks headed for deletion in any case....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes! I tend not to take that into account and move articles where necessary!--Petebutt (talk) 16:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Moving an article during an AFD certainly isn't recommended. Per WP:AFDEQ, While there is no prohibition against moving an article while an AfD or deletion review discussion is in progress, editors considering doing so should realize such a move can confuse the discussion greatly, can preempt a closing decision, can make the discussion difficult to track, and can lead to inconsistencies when using semi-automated closing scripts. You can always move afterwards if the article is kept, and it don't matter anyway if it's deleted. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * oye problemo.--Petebutt (talk) 20:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Just asking
Hi Pete, do you think that this user could be back as new sock? Cheers. - BilCat (talk) 11:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same myself! He got banned for persistent copyvio and his style,or lack of it, is almost identical, with poor spelling bad refrerences and not even getting the info in cited references correct. I don't understand the mindset, is this like a supertroll from Putin to discredit wikipedia?--Petebutt (talk) 11:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I have no idea. I'll ask an admin to look at it later today. - BilCat (talk) 12:12, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't need to. I've learned from past experience that pasting copyrighted material from other webpages into new Wiki articles is in violation of Wikipedia rules in copyrighted, so I've refrained from pasting copyrighted material, because that is plagiarism. The best thing you could do is delete Special:Contributions/Extrapolaris because I'm not pasting copyrighted material onto new pages. And besides, I'm not working as a troll for Putin.Supercalifornication (talk) 13:32, 9 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
 * OK, but please slow down some more and try to get more referenced content. It does sound alarm bells when floods of articles appear which are of such poor quality, it seems to suggest a hidden agenda. Or is it me being paranoid. Don't forget you aren't paranoid if they really are out to get you!!!LOL--Petebutt (talk) 13:39, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I wanted to create a number of missing articles and supply them with one or two references so that you could subsequently add info from non-English sources. I don't feel paranoid or have a hidden agenda; I routinely create aviation-related articles for some prototype military aircraft, and I noted that when writing the Jakob Lohner article, the only thing that links Jakob Lohner to aviation is the fact that the company he headed from 1862-1887 was involved in carriage and automobile production for most of the late 19th century, but built warplanes in World War I, because Jakob himself died in 1892, decades before WW1 broke out.70.175.134.8 (talk) 14:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
 * Great, but please be more patient and develop fewer, better quality articles and everybody is happy.--Petebutt (talk) 14:27, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about the deluge of stubs. Far better to spend the time filling out the article than to leave a stub with one dubious reference almost no-one has access to. Stubs will almost never get developed, but a redlink can spur someone to write the full article. Personally I prefer being able to start from scratch, rather than work from someone else's often misdirected attempts, and I am less likely to be interrupted mid-edit stream.
 * In my experience, other than for Roumania, the best references for any aircraft are almost always in the language of its originating country, but English sources are needed for the English wikipedia, and a reliance on sources in other languages should be avoided if at all possible - but with some cross checking to ensure they agree. FWIW, the Internet archive, which also hosts the Wayback Machine has a considerable number of magazines and reference books available - some out of copyright, and others still copyrighted that you can "borrow" while researching something.&#32;- NiD.29 (talk) 16:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Forgot something - to paraphrase someone (a prof somewhere iirc) - to use one source is still plagiarism, but to use many sources is research.&#32;- NiD.29 (talk) 18:31, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I did contact an admin, and she confirmed that the user is not adding copyvios. However, the socking is still an issue, and will have to be informed, as he was the admin who blocked Extrapolaris for scokpuppetry. That is something Wikipedia usually does not tolerate. - BilCat (talk) 19:10, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * What you can do is delete Special:Contributions/Extrapolaris and User:Extrapolaris because I'm not pasting copyrighted material onto new pages, and the original reason I was blocked was copyright violations. I carelessly sockpuppeted because the original account was blocked for copyright violations, and I've learned the hard way in understanding how I commit copyright violations. Supercalifornication (talk) 20:06, 9 April 2020 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
 * As I said, socking is something Wikipedia doesn't tolerate. Sorry. - BilCat (talk) 01:49, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * BilCat, as you noticed, I've blocked Supercalifornication for socking. FYI, NinjaRobotPirate updated Extrapolaris's block for socking, I just removed talk page access. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:11, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Relevant discussion on Talk:Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 affected by your edit
There is a discussion on the talk page for the MS406 regarding an edit you made when changing specification templates - when you changed the engine power from 860 hp to 860 kW - can you check this and confirm whether it was correct? - this does seem to differ from what other references say but you did add a new reference when you made this change.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:38, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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Zeppelin LZ 32
Is Zeppelin LZ 32 right? It is a M-class right? -- Thats Just Great (talk) 16:32, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks OK. For naming check the List of Zeppelins, this gives Company designation then tactical numbering. Because the Imperial German Army caused so much confusion, deliberately and successfully, their trickery echoes through to the present day!--Petebutt (talk) 23:32, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ahh I see now. I found that the aircraft career infobox template didn't fit well with Zeppelins. Also, as a convention, it is usual to give all the alternate names/designations in the lead and for their first use to be in bold.--Petebutt (talk) 23:38, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * And another thingg (chest poke, chest poke) please don't use deprecated specs templates. Only one now in use - Template:Aircraft specs. You might find Template:WPAVIATION creator of use for any aviation article.

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Zeppelin LZ 112
Is Zeppelin LZ 112 an X-class? -- Thats Just Great (talk) 06:01, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes--Petebutt (talk) 11:43, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What about Zeppelin LZ 64? Q-class? -- Thats Just Great (talk) 19:39, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Zeppelin LZ 39
LZ 38 is an P class. Why is Zeppelin LZ 39 an O-class -- Thats Just Great (talk) 01:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Zeppelin LZ 102
Is there any more specs for the Zeppelin LZ 102? -- Thats Just Great (talk) 15:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Infobox aircraft type
User:GraemeLeggett has being erasing the "Infobox aircraft type" template from Zeppelin articles: Zeppelin LZ 89, Zeppelin LZ 55. Which one should we be using? -- Thats Just Great (talk) 17:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Good question. I was of the opinion that the Aircraft type fitted best.--Petebutt (talk) 03:53, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like he's going for career, which I tried and thought was not quite right, but I see his reasoning as the Zeppelins were individual aircraft and not a TYPE as such.--Petebutt (talk) 03:55, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

XT57 specs
Hi Pete, do you have any sources with XT57 specs that can be added to Draft:Pratt & Whitney XT57? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Bill, i've been looking bu no joy so far.--Petebutt (talk) 02:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * gives the model number of the propeller - Hamilton Standard B84 and that the propeller was with an extra turbine stage tacked on the end.--Petebutt (talk) 02:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A little bit more, but not much in --Petebutt (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. I do appreciate it. - BilCat (talk) 05:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Handley Page Herald
Yet again, you are determined to ignore the existing reference format of articles and just force your preference. Please stop.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:47, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I use what is mandated in the edittools. i f you don't want me to use it then get it removed from edittools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--Petebutt (talk) 19:14, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Pete, you know that is not a valid answer, you simply must stop doing this. Note the words 'does not mandate' and 'editors should not attempt to convert Wikipedia to their own preferred style' from WP:CITEVAR which I am posting for your benefit again.
 * "Wikipedia does not mandate styles in many different areas; these include (but are not limited to) American vs. British spelling, date formats, and citation style. Where Wikipedia does not mandate a specific style, editors should not attempt to convert Wikipedia to their own preferred style, nor should they edit articles for the sole purpose of converting them to their preferred style, or removing examples of, or references to, styles which they dislike."
 * What do we have to do to make you stop this disruptive behaviour, this has gone on for years? Has to be admin intervention as multiple polite requests are being ignored. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  19:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

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Assessment
Hi Pete Thanks for your rapid assessment of Northern & Scottish Airways. Could you please tell me what I need to do to improve on supporting materials? Is it quality or quantity, or am I missing something? Seems like I need guidance. Lestocq (talk) 23:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No big thing, just an image will do (of say the HQ offices or an aircraft in their livery). But it is not a problem so don't get worried.--Petebutt (talk) 02:09, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah - OK. Commons is completely bare, apart from the one one photo that I've already used, and I have nothing else myself. I'll see what I can do - many thanks Lestocq (talk) 10:47, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

World Airways Flight 830
Hey, I was wondering if it would be possible for you to reassess World Airways Flight 830. I expanded it recently, and it's currently a C-Class article. There were still problems with coverage and citing though. I was wondering if I have fixed the article's problems since the last evaluation. I want to be able to improve it as much as I possibly can. Thank you for your time. Scorpions13256 (talk) 09:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 40
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Issue 40, July – August 2020 
 * New partnerships
 * Al Manhal
 * Ancestry
 * RILM
 * #1Lib1Ref May 2020 report
 * AfLIA hires a Wikipedian-in-Residence

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The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020
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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
G'day everyone, voting for the 2020 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2020. Thanks from the outgoing coord team, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:18, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

New aviation article entries?
Hi Pete, for well over a month now I have been adding the new article creation dates to your entries at WP:NEWAIR per convention. Do you need assistance to find the creation date or is there another very good reason that you are omitting it? Per WP:AGF I would very much like to help, particularly with the smooth running of the aviation project. Cheers Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  18:13, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I am also curious, seems such a simple thing to do? - Ahunt (talk) 18:30, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


 * You were managing it in April this year, I can't fathom it. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  18:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I have to confess I have just been lazy, no other reason!--Petebutt (talk) 22:22, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors September 2020 Newsletter
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Praga E-51


A tag has been placed on Category:Praga E-51 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 15:27, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Praga E-51 has been accepted
 Praga E-51, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, November 2020
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Books & Bytes – Issue 41
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Template:Nakajima military aircraft
Hi, you recently more or less duplicated Template:Nakajima military aircraft at Template:Nakajima aircraft. From your edit comments, it looks like a page move that went wrong and did not bring across the edit history of the original page, or even replace that page with a redirect. Significant tidying-up housekeeping is now required. Are you intending to do that tidying up, or will it be necessary for others to do it? There is a discussion about this here, where we would appreciate a brief update. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure what happened there a straight page move should have taken page history with it surely Oh well It was not what I intende in any case. Never mind.--Petebutt (talk) 15:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops, I read the move in the wrong direction, apologies for my stupidity there. But it is being contested anyway. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

December 2020 Guild of Copy Editors Newsletter
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Nominations for the 2020 Military history WikiProject Newcomer and Historian of the Year awards now open
G'day all, the nominations for the 2020 Military history WikiProject newcomer and Historian of the Year are open, all editors are encouraged to nominate candidates for the awards before until 23:59 (GMT) on 15 December 2020, after which voting will occur for 14 days. There is not much time left to nominate worthy recipients, so get to it! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:45, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, December 2020
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Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  07:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

December 2020
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Cosmos Mercury; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. The Bushranger One ping only 17:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Problematic editing
Hello. Per a report at Administrators noticeboard/Incidents you appear to have engaged in disruptive editing over a long period of time. I recognize this may not have been your intention, but your editing has caused much consternation, and work, for other editors. Therefore, I have blocked you from editing any articles until you reply to the discussion at WP:ANI and find a way to reassure other editors that whatever problems have happened in the past will not keep recurring. You are still free to post to project pages, such as WP:ANI. You may also appeal this block by following the process outlined at WP:GAB. Jehochman Talk 04:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I hope there is no time limit to the appeal process. I feel that I am not ready and need to take a sabbattical. So, if there is the possibility of redemption in the future, I will take a break; if not please tell me now, so I can prepare. Thanks again, and sorry for any upsets I have caused.--Petebutt (talk) 06:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Pete, you can apply any time, no rush. Good luck with your journey, hope you are doing better soon. - Ahunt (talk) 13:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks I'll get back to you when I am ready.--Petebutt (talk) 14:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Voting for "Military Historian of the Year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" closing
G'day all, voting for the WikiProject Military history "Military Historian of the Year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" is about to close, so if you haven't already, click on the links and have your say before 23:59 (GMT) on 30 December! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC) for the coord team

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, January 2021
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"½ VW engine" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Books & Bytes - Issue 42
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 * New EBSCO collections now available
 * 1Lib1Ref 2021 underway
 * Library Card input requested
 * Libraries love Wikimedia, too!

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"Tier 1b" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Tier 1b. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 26 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:56, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

"M2019 US Navy MQ-4 shootdown" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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Books & Bytes – Issue 42
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Issue 42, January – February 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New partnerships: PNAS, De Gruyter, Nomos
 * 1Lib1Ref
 * Library Card

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIX, March 2021
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April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive
Hey y'all, the April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive begins at 00:01 UTC on April 1, 2021 and runs through 23:59 UTC on April 31, 2021. Points can be earned through reviewing articles on the AutoCheck report, reviewing articles listed at WP:MILHIST/ASSESS, reviewing MILHIST-tagged articles at WP:GAN or WP:FAC, and reviewing articles submitted at WP:MILHIST/ACR. Service awards and barnstars are given for set points thresholds, and the top three finishers will receive further awards. To participate, sign up at WikiProject_Military_History/April 2021 Reviewing Drive and create a worklist at WikiProject Military history/April 2021 Reviewing Drive/Worklists (examples are given). Further details can be found at the drive page. Questions can be asked at the drive talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXX, April 2021
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Books & Bytes – Issue 43
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Issue 43, March – April 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New Library Card designs
 * 1Lib1Ref May

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXI, May 2021
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Speedy deletion nomination of Pigeon Scout


A tag has been placed on Pigeon Scout requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a club, society, or group that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 18:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

GOCE June 2021 newsletter
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXII, June 2021
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Books & Bytes – Issue 45
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Issue 45, May – June 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * Library design improvements continue
 * New partnerships
 * 1Lib1Ref update

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIII, July 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIV, August 2021
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nomination period closing soon
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are still open, but not for long. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! No further nominations will be accepted after that time. Voting will commence on 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election voting has commenced
Hey y'all, voting for the 2021 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2021. Voting will be conducted at the 2021 tranche page itself. Appropriate questions for the candidates can also be asked. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 46
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Issue 46, July – August 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * Library design improvements deployed
 * New collections available in English and German
 * Wikimania presentation

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXV, September 2021
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting period closing soon
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September 2021 Guild of Copy Editors newsletter
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, October 2021
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Proposed deletion of Muniz M-11


The article Muniz M-11 has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "unreferenced for years, non-notable primary trainer aircraft (only 1 ever built)"

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Polyamorph (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 47
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Issue 47, September – October 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * On-wiki Wikipedia Library notification rolling out
 * Search tool deployed
 * New My Library design improvements

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, November 2021
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December 2021 GOCE Newsletter
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, December 2021
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Nomination of List of Slovak gliders for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Slovak gliders is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of Slovak gliders until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:27, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

The WikiEagle - January 2022
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"Beit Shemesh Engines Ltd." listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Beit Shemesh Engines Ltd. and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 6 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. BilCat (talk) 04:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, January 2022
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Books & Bytes – Issue 48
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Issue 48, November – December 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * 1Lib1Ref 2022
 * Wikipedia Library notifications deployed

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIV, February 2022
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Books & Bytes – Issue 49
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Issue 49, January – February 2022 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New library collections
 * Blog post published detailing technical improvements

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, March 2022
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GOCE April 2022 newsletter
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, April 2022
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Manuel VI


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The Bugle: Issue CXCIII, May 2022
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Books & Bytes – Issue 50
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June GOCE newsletter
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"AN/PVS-20" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect AN/PVS-20 and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 10 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 17:29, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXCIV, June 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVI, July 2022
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Books & Bytes – Issue 51
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVII, August 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, September 2022
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Books & Bytes – Issue 52
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Guild of Copy Editors' October 2022 newsletter
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, October 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIX, November 2022
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Books & Bytes – Issue 53
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 * New collections:
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Guild of Copy Editors December 2022 Newsletter
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The Bugle: Issue CC, December 2022
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Guild of Copy Editors December 2022 Newsletter error
The GOCE December 2022 newsletter, as sent on 9 December, contains an erroneous start date for our December Blitz. The Blitz will start on 11 December rather than on 17 December, as stated in the newsletter. I'm sorry for the mistake and for disrupting your talk page; thanks for your understanding. Sent by Baffle gab1978 via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023
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Books & Bytes – Issue 54
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 * New collections:
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 * 1Lib1Ref 2023
 * Spotlight: EDS Refine Results

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Guild of Copy Editors 2022 Annual Report
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The Bugle: Issue 202, February 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 203, March 2023
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Books & Bytes – Issue 55
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 * New bundle partners:
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The Bugle: Issue 204, April 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023
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Books & Bytes – Issue 56
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 * New partner:
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Guild of Copy Editors June 2023 Newsletter
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The Bugle: Issue 206, June 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 207, July 2023
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Books & Bytes – Issue 57
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 * Suggestion improvements
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 * Spotlight: Promoting Nigerian Books and Authors

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The Bugle: Issue 208, August 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 209, September 2023
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Septermber GOCE newsletter
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Books & Bytes – Issue 58
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Issue 58, July – August 2023 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New partners - De Standaard and Duncker & Humblot
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1930s Soviet and Russian civil aircraft


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The Bugle: Issue 210, October 2023
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Proposed deletion of TX2


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"StuG (Fl" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Nomination of List of Estonian gliders for deletion
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