User talk:Peter.R.Hill

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Fred Opert (January 11)
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Help me!
Please help me with.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fred_Opert?action=edit&veswitched=1   why is this person "not sufficiently notable"? The subject was a major player in motorsport for 20 years Peter.R.Hill (talk) 06:08, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Peter.R.Hill (talk) 06:08, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * In order for a motorsports figure to merit an article, they must meet one of the listed criteria at WP:NMOTORSPORT or the more general WP:ANYBIO. As the reviewer noted, the sources offered do not seem to have the significant coverage needed.  Some of them seem to be blogs, which are not generally considered reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I find it hard to believe that somebody who was a long-term owner of an F2 team whose drivers included a future F1 champion, who was (albeit for a short time) an F1 team principal, and who was himself a racing driver (including the world famous Daytona 24-hour) is not notable. I can only recommend that you improve your citations and look for more sources, and don't give up. Note that you do NOT have to meet the WP:NMOTORSPORT guideline if you can meet the General notability guideline; that said, Mr Opert may already meet the motorsport notability guideline if he did indeed participate in the Daytona 24. --kingboyk (talk) 01:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I've asked for help at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Motorsport. --kingboyk (talk) 16:49, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

January 2020
Hello Peter.R.Hill. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat SEO.

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Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Peter.R.Hill. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Praxidicae (talk) 11:59, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note to patrolling admins: Peter answered here. In summary, he is not being paid; he has a book in the works on Mr Opert (for which he also not been paid) but he has not promoted or referenced his book in the article. --kingboyk (talk) 16:53, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Fred Opert - do you have a photo we can legally use?
Hi Peter. Great work on Draft:Fred Opert - it's looking very promising, and I have no doubt that notability is now proven. I've enjoyed finding out about this interesting figure from motorsport history: I have a feeling the name might have rung a bell (hardly surprising, given how many soon-to-be-famous F1 drivers he ran in the lower ranks) but knew absolutely nothing about him until I chanced upon your draft.

Do you have any photographs of Opert or his cars that we can legally use?


 * A photograph you took yourself or which you own the copyright on and which you would be willing to licence under an acceptable free license or release to the public domain


 * A photograph already in the public domain


 * A photograph already licenced under an acceptable free license

If the answer is "no" we can explore "fair use" of a copyrighted image of Mr Opert at a later date as he is sadly deceased so obtaining a free use image may be impossible. However, that's a bit of a minefield which is best avoided if possible. --kingboyk (talk) 17:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, I just found your post about File:Frederick Barry Opert.jpg at Media_copyright_questions/Archive/2019/September. Am I to assume that your family member does NOT own the copyright of that photo? --kingboyk (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey Steve, You have done a wonderful job. Thank you. I didn't even realise that the page was live. I scanned a copy of a Fred Opert Racing badge, used on overalls etc. When I tried to load it a filter blocked me. I tried to report the problem but the Caputcha just took me around in circles. I will search for a photgraph in the coming days that should be acceptable. I just had an operation so I haven't had the time I would like to spend on this. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 02:40, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry to here about your troubles, Peter, and I hope you're recovering well from the operation.
 * I have a small favour to ask: if you are leaving a message for me which is not on my talk page (which is absolutely fine, it's best to keep the conversation threaded) please put at the start of the message. That will tell the wiki software to notify me about the message. I only saw this message by chance, hence the delay in replying.
 * With regards to logo etc; if you can't get past the filter you could email me the picture along with the details about where it came from, or if it's on your website let me know the url. I think the filter wouldn't block me as I'm an admin. --kingboyk (talk) 09:20, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot the ping. What's your email ? I'll send the picture of the logo. I took the photo of a badge I own. Thanks. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 09:49, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The ping worked, thanks.
 * --kingboyk (talk) 09:52, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You have a reply to your email Peter. In fact you have two replies as I forgot to answer one of your questions first time round. Do please ping or message me again if email me back as I'm sometimes a bit tardy checking email and get a lot of junk in my inbox, which seems to be an unfortunate fact of life if you've been on the internet as long as I have! --kingboyk (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You have a reply to your email Peter. In fact you have two replies as I forgot to answer one of your questions first time round. Do please ping or message me again if email me back as I'm sometimes a bit tardy checking email and get a lot of junk in my inbox, which seems to be an unfortunate fact of life if you've been on the internet as long as I have! --kingboyk (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Peter. I've added the logo you sent me. I've done my best with the fair use rationale so I hope that part is OK. I'm not fully convinced that the photo looks great - see what you think. It could possibly do with trimming and a slight reduction in size. --kingboyk (talk) 21:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for loading the Badge image. Let's see what happens while I work on getting a photo.
 * Peter Peter.R.Hill (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * An administrator changed the rationale and objected to it; to do either is their prerogative but to both change my rationale and then object to it does not seem fair to me [changing the rationale may have been an innocent mistake]. I've enquired as to their reasoning and if there is any change I can make to the rationale to make it acceptable to them. I think the problem is because it's the logo of Fred Opert Racing in an article primarily about Fred Opert. Will keep you posted but as it stands the image may be deleted. Very frustrating! :/ --kingboyk (talk) 02:31, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Well, you did say it was a risk. Worth a try. I have a good friend of Fred's (Bobby Brown - good driver) who will find a photo when he returns to New York in a couple of weeks. He'll be more reliable than Fred's brother. We'll get something up there that's acceptable. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 03:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I won't fight too hard re the photo of the badge as I don't find it to be particularly aesthetically pleasing anyway. Good to hear that you may have a better source for a photo of Fred. Keep me posted! Thanks Peter, pleasure talking to you as always. --kingboyk (talk) 13:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Charles Montier
Hi Peter. I've written an article on Charles Montier, a racing driver and engineer who entered the inaugural Le Mans 24 Hours in a modified Ford Model T. Please let me know what you think! (unless you don't like it :)) --kingboyk (talk) 07:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Replies
Hi Peter,

As you've said you're having difficulties understanding how to use the talk pages, I'm informing you that I have replied to you at the following places, just in case you didn't see the replies. If you want to reply to my replies, just edit my talk page and leave your message.


 * User_talk:Kingboyk: I answered your questions about the Fred Opert article


 * User_talk:Kingboyk: I replied, with thanks, to your message about the Charles Montier article and about your difficulties with talk pages

--kingboyk (talk) 01:29, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Fred Opert - Infobox
I've added an Infobox racing driver template to Draft:Fred Opert.

You might want to fill in some of the missing values, in particular years active     = . This would be years active as a driver. I gather from the article that the end year would be 1970, but the article is vague as to in what year Fred started racing so I wasn't able to add it myself. You might want to add the series he entered and years (although I suspect that may be quite a lot); you'd certainly want to add any notable titles he won (if there's a Wikipedia article about the title, that will suffice - link to it).

I also added an infobox motor racing team template to the Fred Opert Racing section. I've not put in the year that the team was founded as I don't know (as it looks like Fred raced for his own team so it would be pre-1970). I've not listed the notable drivers in the infobox and propose that we don't, as we already listed many in the prose and there's so many!

I would suggest you add the year founded to the team infobox template, check that I have added the correct racing series, and fill in if the team won any notable driver or team titles.
 * driver titles   =
 * team titles     =

It's OK for fields to be left blank. For example, the image field is blank in the racing driver infobox as we don't have a free photo of Opert (yet), as is the logo field in the team infobox. (Do you have a copy of the logo? We can probably use that under fair use). --kingboyk (talk) 12:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

talk


 * Thanks for all this it's appreciated. I will update as you have suggested. I have a copy of the logo which I will use. More soon


 * Peter.R.Hill (talk) 20:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Brilliant, thanks. I definitely think the article could use a little more precision in terms of what years Fred raced and what years the team operated (we don't need exact dates).
 * Leave a message on MY talk page if you need any help with the copyright rationale for the logo (Logos is very helpful so chances are you'll be fine). --kingboyk (talk) 05:25, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Fred Opert has been accepted
 Fred Opert, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as C-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! kingboyk (talk) 06:30, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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Your friend's photo submission to Wikimedia Commons
Hi Peter. Thanks for forwarding me a copy of the photograph of Fred Opert and the email the copyright owner sent to Wikipedia releasing it under a free licence.

I'm no expert on copyright but the email looked fine to me, so I am surprised that I can't find the photograph on Wikimedia Commons. Did your friend receive any reply to their email, whether than be an approval, a rejection or information that there is a delay in processing and that we need to wait?

Please reply to me here, with a ping, so we can keep discussion in one place :) --kingboyk (talk) 21:48, 10 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Fred's friend in the USA simply emailed Wikipedia confirming that he took the photo  and was happy to release it under a free licence. He sent me the photo. I have not loaded it as I was hoping that you could do that. Does that make sense? Peter.R.Hill (talk) 01:19, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That makes sense, but what I'm missing is whether Wikipedia replied with further instructions. You see, your friend's email would have gone to people at Wikimedia Commons. I'm not an admin there and I know very little about it. Please let me know if the friend got a reply or not and we can take it from there. --kingboyk (talk) 01:24, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I have forwarded to your email address a copy of the response that Bobby Brown got from Permissons. I think that explains it for you. Do you ever sleep? Peter.R.Hill (talk) 01:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes I do, but my body clock is a bit skew-whiff at the moment.
 * Gosh, they don't make this easy do they?! I'd have thought they'd upload the photo on his behalf. This is really quite frustrating. If I upload it, it'll probably be deleted as I don't own the copyright.
 * Quoting the email back to you: "If you have not yet uploaded, please continue to upload the file(s) and let us know when done". I think the best course of action would be to ask the copyright owner to do just that. Upload it themselves and then immediately reply to the email telling Wikipedia it has been uploaded and under what filename (or filenames if both versions get uploaded). A file can be uploaded to Commons using the following link: commons:Special:UploadWizard.
 * To save going through the process twice, you might want to consider asking the copyright owner to upload both the original and the cropped version, but that's your call.
 * If this doesn't work, or you need help from somebody else (copyright and the Commons are not my thing) you could put a helpme request here and maybe somebody else will advise. --kingboyk (talk) 02:09, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Bobby is technologically challenged. I assumed that one of us could load the photo once he had released it. I don't think he would be able to do it. I'll see if someone else can help as you advise. Thanks Peter Peter.R.Hill (talk) 10:24, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I had an idea: I don't know if the email desk is run by staff or volunteers, but either way they can probably access and restore deleted files, so I don't suppose it would matter if it got deleted after upload so long as an email was sent giving the filename(s). I don't suppose it would matter who uploaded it either.
 * Another idea is that you ask for help over at Commons. They have a help desk page I believe.
 * If I knew somebody who is an admin over at Commons and also active here I'd ping them from here to ask for help but I can't think of anybody off the top of my head.
 * See what you can come up with, and if you have no luck come back to me with a ping and I'll upload it and email them myself or find some other way to get this done. We're not going to give up having got this far! :) I'm really sorry about how painful this whole process has been for you. --kingboyk (talk) 19:31, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the ideas. I'll have a go at uploading the photo and let you know how I get on. You're right. We'll get it done! Peter Peter.R.Hill (talk) 01:43, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Good work getting that photo uploaded Peter - now forward the Bobby email chain to Wikipedia/OTRS and let them know what filename you uploaded under and hopefully we're sorted! (there is, I have discovered, an OTRS helpdesk but hopefully you can resolve this through email)
 * In the meantime, I've created a Fred Opert category on Commons, and moved the photo into the infobox in the Wikipedia article.
 * ...and before you ask, I'll be off to bed soon :) --kingboyk (talk) 06:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Glad you got some sleep! Thanks for creating the Commons Category and moving the photo. I'll forward the email as you suggest but Bobby did send it following my instructions about a week ago. I'll let them know the file name. I think we might be good for now but I'll look out for a much better photo over the coming months. At least I now know what I have to do. Thanks again - stay away from Italy! Peter.R.Hill (talk) 00:17, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If you look at the blurb at commons:File:Fred_Head_shot_for_Wiki.png you'll see that they are waiting for the confirmation email with the filename and permission (which is why I suggest you forward Bobby's original email with a note of the filename, rather than just write with the filename, as you the uploader are not the copyright holder). sigh. Hopefully within a day or so the blurb will be replaced by something like the blurb on this one - commons:File:Penkiln Burn printout 32.pdf saying that the OTRS process has been completed and the licence is legit. Then we can breathe another sigh, but of relief! :)
 * It sounds like it's not wise to travel anywhere at the moment. I'd considered getting tickets for the Vietnam GP but thought it imprudent to invest in a trip to a circuit which hadn't been built yet. They got the the circuit ready but had to cancel because of the virus! I do hope to go to Vietnam one day though, as it looks like it's got a lot in common with Cambodia, a country I am very fond of. --kingboyk (talk) 00:39, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok I'll send the email and file information today. Pity you missed out on Vietnam. If not been there or Cambodia but wish I had gone 20 years ago. They are very popular destinations now. I'm sad to see Cambodia returning to a dangerous dictatorship. We had planned to be in Northern Italy in May but when I hurt my back we didn't go ahead with the bookings. That was a lucky break. I was meant to do a book launch in NZ next month but now if you fly to NZ you have to self quarantine for 14 days, so that won't happen. No motorsport, no soccer, no travel... looks like I'll get a lot of writting done. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 00:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I first visited Cambodia in 2001. It was very different then, but it's still a lovely place if you get yourself out into the provinces (preferably with a motorbike). The place I wish I'd been to sooner is Burma - I didn't go, of course, until after the semi-democratisation because of the horrible government, but the people are so warm and friendly and it is a beautiful country. I was there in the week when their ATMs got hooked up to the international networks, whilst on the same trip I saw people farming the land in the same way my family's farm would have been run 100 years ago and got to ride on rail tracks which appeared to have had little in the way of maintenance since the British built them. That was a wonderful trip. I have yet to get to New Zealand, but I've covered just about every mile of rail in Australia (such a trip would cost a fortune now; back then they offered a rail pass to tourists which was laughably cheap). I spent a year in Australia (2005) on a working holiday visa and hoped I would never return to the UK permanently (maybe I'd get a job offer, or a girlfriend, whatever; sadly that did not come to pass).
 * What are you writing? I imagine you've had enough of Wikipedia but if not you could always look at getting the Opert article up to B class by expanding on the chronology a bit and making other improvements (I rated it as C-class when I approved the draft), or even go for Good Article and get a badge on it. (I'm not advising you do this, if you have a book to write or journalism which will pay the bills that would be a much better use of time imho). --kingboyk (talk) 01:07, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm writing articles mainly, there was the Phillip Island Historic meeting last month and I have one story left to write on that for an NZ magazine. I also write for the national Lotus magazine so there is a member profile still on the list. There's been a lot of work for Writers Victoria - I'm the Secretary, plus all the stuff to help promote the book. But your idea for the Opert page is good. It will be easier once the book is available and can be used for references. I'm putting together a book of my short stories - quite different from motorsport stuff.
 * Your travel sounds worthy of some stories. It's great you went to Burma, my sister loved it. And Cambodia does sound fascinating, especially the way you did it. Morocco is probably my most adventurous and very engaging. Buenos Aires I loved and would like to go back and see more of Argentina and Chile. There's so much to see. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 01:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I've been to Cambodia several times. I only started daring to rent mopeds on more recent trips to (my beloved) South East Asia. On my first visit to Cambodia it was mostly bus travel and a boat down the... is it the Mekong which runs to Pnomh Penh? The trains were no longer running, the capital city had no public transport... I digress. And don't mention Lotus! grr! :)
 * If you start referencing your own book you might have to declare a conflict of interest, so ping me and/or read WP:COI before you start doing that.
 * Also, can you please remind me who the book is being published by? --kingboyk (talk) 02:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip re references. Perhaps better left to others. The Fred Opert Story will be published by Veloce in the UK. It's at the printers in India now. By the time it's shipped back to the UK it will be mid-May availibility. It's strange that South East Asia has never been top of my list to visit although I have been to Malaysia, China, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan and even India on many business trips. I invariably enjoyed my visits (Taiwan was an exception). I have a business associate who served with the peace keeping force in Cambodia. He wrote about his experiences. I helped him. He had a good "voice" but needed serious help with grammar and syntax. He had powerful. moving and sometimes fighteningly funny stories of his experiences. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 05:32, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds interesting (the Cambodia stories) - would like to read that. I've only been to India the once - and relatively recently - but intend to go back. I did another of my epic train journeys there - Delhi down to Goa :) Found a great beach shack to rent with a little cafe facing the beach, and a socket to plug the laptop in, pots of chai on the go at 40 rupees a time. Perfect!
 * As yes, Veloce Publishing, I remember now. Reputable motorsports publisher; has a wiki article in fact. As it's a reputable publisher and not self-published and you are a subject expert the book can certainly be referenced (but leaving it to others is possibly a wise decision). --kingboyk (talk) 07:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Well done. --kingboyk (talk) 02:05, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Charles Montier again
Hi Peter. Do you have any references in your book collection (with page numbers) stating what year Montier became a Ford agent? It might also be helpful to know when he moved to Paris. (This source says he moved to Tours in 1911, but gives a date for neither his move on to Paris nor a date for his acquisition of the right to sell Ford cars). --kingboyk (talk) 01:58, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Leave it with me and I'll get back to you. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 02:48, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Check your email. I have sent you some scans from a couple of books. Sadly they don't answer your questions but I'll keep looking. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 00:22, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Le Mans by Klausager, which I think you have states that Montier was the Ford agent when he entered Le Mans in 1923. P28.Peter.R.Hill (talk) 00:27, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, very much appreciated. I've a headache at the moment; I'll look at email when I'm feeling better. Actually, I don't have any of the books cited. I borrowed the print references from other articles about the races Montier entered. --kingboyk (talk) 02:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

I'll scan the entry from Clausager and send it to you so you have it. I'll continue to look for more information. There might be mention of the Paris agency in books on Ford history. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 04:19, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Steve, I haven't forgotten about Montier. I've been looking but haven't found anything new yet. My friend has a motor bookshop that he is in the process of relocating and I have been helping him, so have access to heaps more books so I'll keep looking. Keep well. Peter Peter.R.Hill (talk) 02:12, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

File:Opert ATS.jpg
File:Opert ATS.jpg is a fantastic photo! Have you forwarded the copyright owner's release statement and the filename to OTRS, so that they can mark it as 'legal' and prevent deletion?

Oh, a last minute thought: who is the driver sat in the car? --kingboyk (talk) 01:58, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

I've added the photo to ATS Wheels as imho it is better than many of the photos already there - very vibrant. (Or am I biased because my Lotus is chrome orange? :))

Besides knowing who the driver is, it would be very helpful to know when and where and under what circumstances (race weekend? test day? promo shoot?) the photo was taken, if that info is available. Please provide as much info as possible - e.g. if it was a race weekend at what stage of the weekend? --kingboyk (talk) 02:19, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I will get more detail and add it to the photo. Hans Stuck is the driver. The guy in civies to the left of Opert is Marco Tolama a Mexican Driver. Larry Opert sent the copyright release statement to Commons and it has been acknolwedged Peter.R.Hill (talk) 04:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm. There's no mention of OTRS on the file page. Hopefully they'll attend to that soon, so that nobody deletes it.
 * The driver covered in the article Hans Stuck died in 1978... so that'll be... Hans-Joachim Stuck. Yep, his article says he drove for ATS in 1979. Excellent, I'll add that to the ATS article. Please let me know about any further info you may acquire about the photo (besides adding it to the file description), or edit the ATS Wheels yourself :)
 * I'm really happy about this addition, so thanks again. --kingboyk (talk) 05:46, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not feeling too well, Peter, and it shows. "Stuck" is written prominently on the car, and the ATS article clearly says Stuck was their driver in '79. Doh! --kingboyk (talk) 05:49, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Sleep more and get better! :-) Check your email for that Montier scan. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 05:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

I left a note about this new picture and about the Opert article over on the German Wikipedia. Within a few minutes, the image has appeared in the ATS and Stuck articles there, and your work has been complimented: "The picture is really fine - as well as the Fred Opert article" --kingboyk (talk) 01:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. I hope you are feeling better. I have confirmed that the photo was at Monaco, May 27 1979. I will add that information when I get a minute. All the best. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 05:42, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * According to the article 1979 Monaco Grand Prix, that was race day! Even better!
 * Did you get any reply from the OTRS people? --kingboyk (talk) 05:45, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I hope that info is correct as I've updated the image description at Commons, added it to the 1979 Monaco Grand Prix category, updated all the captions on this wiki, and added it to the 1979 Monaco Grand Prix here! :) --kingboyk (talk) 05:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I got the information from two sources - Larry Opert who took the photo and Marco Tolama who is the one in the photo without ATS team attire. Marco had failed to qualify for the F3 race.
 * The OTRS people respnded to LArry and then I sent them an email explaining that I would load the photo. Hopefully everything is ok. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 06:54, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It just worries me that there is no OTRS number on the image. Some people get mighty worked up about copyright and I'm worried it might be deleted. However, I'm a born worrier, and you seem to have everything under control so I shall try to put it out of mind :)
 * Thanks for confirming the origins of the photo.
 * Having such a nice photo of a rare (and rather good looking) F1 car on race day at Monaco of all places is fantastic. Really well done for securing the free licence for it. That picture will probably spread like wildfire across the different language Wikipedias. --kingboyk (talk) 07:02, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If you like I can send a copy of Larry Opert's copyright release email to you at your email address. Peter.R.Hill (talk) 07:43, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Nah, no need for that really, thanks, Peter; I won't be doing any deleting. [On second thoughts, there's no harm in sending it over; if you were to disappear from wiki and I noticed the file had gone, I might be able to use that email to reinstate it]. So, yes please, forward it to me. Thanks. --kingboyk (talk) 08:04, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Email received
Hi Peter, Thanks for the email. I'd be happy to take a look at your draft. I'll try to get to it over the weekend if not before. Steve --kingboyk (talk) 16:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Writers Victoria (April 24)
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 * Thank you for your work on this. I will adopt your suggestions and apply them in the next couple of weeks.Peter.R.Hill (talk) Peter.R.Hill (talk) 00:46, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your work on the Writers Victoria draft page. I had modelled it on the Wheeler Centre page. I have adopted your recommendations and, hopefully, have adapted the wording to be more formal. I intend to continue to add references to articles about what the organisation does even after the page is accepted.Peter.R.Hill (talk) 00:36, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Writers Victoria (May 8)
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Tol (talk &#124; contribs) @ 06:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello Tol, Thank you for your work on the Writers Victoria article. I am at a loss to understand what wording needs to be changed as I believe that the article is neutral and non-promotional. I followed the advice of Gusfriend (above). In a couple of instances I didn't include his suggested links as I didn't believe they were Writers Victoria related. To ensure that I had the right tone I modelled the article on the published Wheeler Centre article. I will have another go, but if you can point to specific content that you believe is promotional that will help me. Thanks Peter HillPeter.R.Hill (talk) 06:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Writers Victoria (June 30)
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R E A D I N G Talk to the Beans? 06:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Writers Victoria has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Writers Victoria. Thanks! MaxnaCarta (talk) 09:16, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your work on this draft. As a published writer with a qualification in professional writing and editing I was embarrassed that an errant full stop had found its way into the draft.I have done a lot of work on the page to comply with the previous comments and suggestions. I also modelled the page on the published page for The Wheeler Centre. I will revisit the page but am at a loss as to what can be further modified or added. Thanks again. Specific suggestions will be welcomed. PeterPeter.R.Hill (talk) Peter.R.Hill (talk) 02:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Writers Victoria (November 20)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Writers Victoria (March 12)
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Robert McClenon (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Robert, thanks for your work in reviewing the Writers Victoria page that I have been working on for some time. When I compare it to the page I modelled it on, The Wheeler Centre, I have trouble seeing the differences. I noted the earlier reviewers notes and reacted to them providing reliable, secondary sources.
 * You also raised the matter of conflict of interest. I declared the interest that I had when I started this, it is now no longer relevant as I am simply a member of the organisation. Any further advice you can provide will be really appreciated. If you get time, please compare the Wheeler Centre page and my Writers Victoria page. Thanks again. Peter 2405:6E00:208E:BD54:9C87:714D:A5A7:1273 (talk) 04:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Writers Victoria


Hello, Peter.R.Hill. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Writers Victoria".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗ plicit  05:39, 24 December 2023 (UTC)