User talk:Peter Biella

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Edits to Beniamino Bufano
Hello! I see you made extensive structural edits to the Beniamino Bufano article. In doing so you accidently broke many of the links to citations that already existed in the section titled "Selected works". Please fix the issues, or your edit may be reversed. Also visit the talk page if you want to change a date of birth, we need citations supporting the changes and discussion. Jooojay (talk) 23:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Issuses with Bufano web page
Attn: Jooojay:

I am responding to your email to me today, Nov.8, 2018

Your email expresses concern because I altered and deleted data (footnote links primarily) in the Benjamino Bufano Wikipedia article. You gently threaten that if I do not correct the problem you will revert the site to how it was before I began working on it. I assure you I intended and intend to preserve all the footnotes and other important data that I affected. If you read the Bufano page as it was before I began to work on it, you'll see that it was written by several people who apparently were not reading one another's contributions. The result was redundancy and sloppiness. The contributors also included a few photos of Bufano's work which I, as a professional photographer, consider substandard. I had begun to make a new version of the text with the express goal of preserving all the key data and footnotes from the first two versions - arranging it all more logically. I also removed the weak photographs and uploaded my own cleaner photographs of the same statues as well as photos of many other Bufano statues in San Francisco public spaces. Before I could do an adequate job with cleaning the text and footnotes, however, I was halted by a Wikipedia lieutenant, handle Binksternet, who removed my photos and a paragraph about them. I had intended to reorganize the original text data at the moment when my photos were removed: because of the removal, I stopped all of my work on the site, including text organization and preservation, until the photograph issue was resolved.

Binksternet explained s/he removed my photos because of problems with freedom of panorama. To resolve that issue, I located the copyright holder, Bufano's son H. Lewin, to whom I emailed my photographs. After viewing them, he told me on the phone he was happy to have them placed in the Wikipedia article.

Mr. Lewin also told me that his father's birth year is 1886 though it is often erroneously given as 1890, as it had been in Wikipedia. On the authority of Bufano's son, then, I corrected his father's birth year in the Wikipedia article.

Finally,I posted a reply to Binksternet I asked the following important question which I now ask you: What does the copyright holder of Bufano's sculptures need to do to prove to Wikipedia that he grants copyright permission to upload my photographs? Binksternet has not replied.

I would be grateful if you would take on the task by responding carefully to this question and the other points I have raised. I am anxious to clean up redundancies and confusions in the site, put the photographs up, and move to other tasks. I respect Bufano's work and believes he deserves an orderly and attractive Wikipedia page. I appreciate your concern with improper uploading and text alterations, and I recognize the necessity for your of use of threats. Nevertheless, I need to have a serious conversation with someone like you who can respond to me intelligently and who has the authority to help me overcome the difficulties this project is facing. Please write me back. Signed Peter Biella (talk) 01:29, 9 November 2018 (UTC) Professor, San Francisco State University


 * I am sorry I don't know what your issues are with the photos shared on that page - but it appears below you have already been given the answer - I am concerned that you are new to Wikipedia and (possibly accidently) broke the links to all the citations in a large section of the article. Please use the talk page for Beniamino Bufano. Jooojay (talk) 03:49, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Help me!
I have changed the birth year of Benjamin Bufano to 1886 (it was given on his page as 1890). I made the change because Bufano's son, J. Lewin, told me the 1890 date was wrong.

Peter Biella (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's nice that you're trying to get the correct information, but we need published sources for changes. The subject's son may know of a published source for the correct date, but him telling you is not an acceptable reference for Wikipedia.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 23:14, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Followup. The article mentions that one of the biographies found it hard to determine the birth year. The image of the grave plaques shows 1890. You would need a better source to override these two pieces of evidence.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 23:22, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

I have taken pictures of Benjamin Bufano's copyrighted sculptures in San Francisco public spaces. The copyright holder - Bufano's son. J. Lewin - would like to have the pictures uploaded to Wikipedia. He is happy to provide any proof-of-copyright-ownership that Wikipedia requires. Would you please tell me exactly what documentary proof Wikipedia requires to permit the pictures to be uploaded and how the proof should be delivered to Wikipedia? I appreciate your help. Peter Biella (talk) 01:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:DCM and WP:DCAE. If you want more help, change the help me-helped back into a help me, stop by the Teahouse, Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 02:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm going to direct you to c:Commons:First steps because the issues around "freedom of panorama" make the copyright question around your photos more complicated. The copyright experts at Wikimedia Commons will know what has to be done to do this correctly. Under U.S. law, your photos are considered "derivative works" and, as I understand it, need a release from you and the copyright holder of the artwork photographed, but there are some date and notification aspects that may affect the photographs' status. It's important to be aware that the release required allows far wider use of the photos than just appearing on Wikipedia.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 02:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Help me!
I have spent two weeks working on the Beniamino Bufano site. I added many new links. My main task, however, was tracking down and improving links and footnotes already there. I have preserved all footnotes except those that I recast as hot links. The Bufano site needed this much work because the previous version contained many redundancies. To fix this, I collated the different authors' redundant descriptions of the same sculptural works, and, while saving their links and insights, organized the material without redundancy. I write this because previous Talk responses that I've received question what I have been doing, and insist that I preserve links. I believe I have done what was asked. Peter Biella (talk) 04:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "hot links" but I see that the body of the article is now sprinkled with external links. External links in the body are a no-no.Be that as it may, you should be discussing this on Talk:Beniamino Bufano rather than here on your talk page.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 04:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)