User talk:Peter G Werner/2007

fungal species lists
PS: I just made List of Lactarius species, after List of Cortinarius species. cheers Cas Liber 22:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Bolete
That was a careless merge. That article was mostly about the genus Boletus, not the order Boletales. --Chroniclev 06:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It didn't look like it to me. In any event, that material did not belong under Bolete 1) because this material was covering information that properly belonged in the articles on Boletus, Boletaceae, or Boletales, and 2) "bolete" is essentially a term for a fruiting body type (analogous to "agaric" or "puffball"), with a secondary meaning as a common name for for boletoid species. Peter G Werner 06:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I wasn't saying the article didn't need to be moved, but you nevertheless disregarded a lot of good information. --Chroniclev 06:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Such as? I tried not to dump anything, however, I did get rid of some statements that were extremely inaccurate. Peter G Werner 06:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Extremely inaccurate? You didn't even realize the article dealt with the genus Boletus despite the taxobox.  Look at what you put in the Boletales article (The genus Boletus was originally broadly defined and described by...). That said, I realize the Bolete article wasn't really referenced to begin with so I guess its not that big of a deal, but I thought I'd bring it up. --Chroniclev 06:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I just notice you've done alot of tidying up of Bolete/-us/-ales etc. which looks good. did you intend the List of bolete species to be defined by those of the genus Boletus alone. Or all things loosely described as Boletes (Leccinum etc.).


 * See the discussion above – the fact that I merged a lot of that into Boletales rather than Boletus was kind of a mess-up on my part, though I fully intended to get that stuff out of Bolete. The list of species was superfluous, so I split it off into a separate article. Actually, species lists are a major pet peve of mine and I'd like to hash out a policy about it on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fungi. Briefly, most species lists are way larger than is necessary to include notable species in a genus or those that have Wikipedia articles on them. On the other hand, they're way too small to be complete, because anybody who's picked up a taxonomic monograph (or even looked at Index Fungorum) will realize that there are hundreds or even thousands of named species in a give genus (and it would be beyond the scope of Wikipedia to be that inclusive). So the species lists end up as being basically random – a list of species somebody gleaned off the internet, usually. Peter G Werner 08:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Aha, hadn't thought of it like that. I have to own up to starting a few of them but adding species I can at least put edibility or what is known of it as well as common name and rough distribution. I started the business of adding the edibility icons so at a glance one would get an idea of the proportion of edible and poisonous species. It is also another way to link to the speices pages. cheers Cas Liber 08:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It makes sense to have lists of pages that actually have Wikipedia articles, or species that are so notable that they cry out for an article to be written on them. But big lists of redlinks that are likely to stay redlinks for the foreseeable future – that isn't so useful. Peter G Werner 08:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Xerocomus
...On another topic, do you know much about the validity (or otherwise) of Xerocomus? cheers Cas Liber 07:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The most recent molecular studies I've seen show it to be polyphyletic within the larger Boletus group, hence not a valid name. I use Boletus for all of these. Peter G Werner 07:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

PS: Would be great if you could get the Xerocomus ref/explanation on the Boletus genus page. Are any of the other split off ones (Tylopilus etc.) going to be sunk back in? cheers Cas Liber 07:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it there's any published reference to this so far – I think this was some preliminary data I saw out of the Tom Bruns lab. On the other hand, there's never been any publication establishing Xerocomus as clearly distinct from Boletus, either. So for all "official" purposes, the two names are equally valid. However, since I have yet to see anything definitively establishing Xerocomus as an accurate genus concept, I simply don't use it. Peter G Werner 07:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

items for discussion on wikiproject fungi talk page
Peter, I have put 2 subjects for discussion on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fungi talk page concerning common names and species lists for discussion in order to get some consensus and then they can go on the guidelines on the project page. I now know your views on lists and hopefully we can find some criteria which we all find acceptable. PS: Do want to work on one to get to FA? I started on Amanita muscaria but got sidetracked... cheers Cas Liber 10:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty busy with the Candy cap article, which I'm working on over in my userspace now. I was thinking of trying to get the Psilocybe article up to FA status – needs references, mainly, and more on social and legal aspects. Peter G Werner 10:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm...has potential. Will have a look and see..Cas Liber 12:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep. Had a play around with headings - a mix of headings with subheadings looks better and some inline refs and away we go...........Cas Liber 13:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Hygrocybe
Hello. Why do you think the statements in the classification section of Hygrocybe, which you deleted, were inaccurate? It seems to me that references to Camarophyllus and Cuphophyllus are important in an article on Hygrocybe, since some classification schemes include them and others not. Wouldn't it be better to improve the section rather than just deleting it? Strobilomyces 22:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, first, using Index Fungorum as your only source of information on classification is simply not a good way to go about getting information on fungal taxonomy. There's quite a bit in there that's out of date or inaccurate. I don't know where Index Fungorum is getting the information that Hygrocybe is in the Tricholomataceae, but I guarantee you, it is not accurate. (In fact, I'm going to write to the editor of Index Fungorum and ask him where he's getting this.) The entire history of study of the taxonomy of this group, from older morphological taxonomy to current molecular phylogeny, has shown repeatedly that the waxy caps (Camarophyllus and Hygrocybe included) are all closely related. All of the most recent papers I've seen on the topic confirm this.


 * Before re-editing articles in such a way that includes radical changes in taxonomy, I really think you should try to find some current literature confirming this and not rely on Index Fungorum as your only source.


 * If you want to re-edit the article to incorporate information on Cuphophyllus, fine, but please, research some of the current literature before making sweeping statements based on a single 20 year-old paper by Bon.
 * Peter G Werner 00:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention, over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fungi‎, were discussing new policies for article titles, species lists, which species to include in articles, etc. You might want to weigh in on any of these if you have an opinion about it. Peter G Werner 00:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I have written a more detailed answer to the Hygrophoraceae/Tricholomataceae question on the Talk:Hygrocybe page (previously I had not seen your comment there on the issue). There I give current literature which favours Tricholomataceae.  The question is not whether the Hygrophoraceae genera are related, but rather whether they should have a distinct family to themselves.


 * Actually in my first question above, I was referring to the text on the choice of genera Hygrocybe/Camarophyllus/Cuphophyllus which you deleted, not that on the families Hygrophoraceae/Tricholomataceae. For instance I think that Wikipedia needs to support Camarophyllus virgineus and Hygrocybe virginea and probably Cuphophyllus virgineus as possibilities.  I will try to find more references on this.


 * Strobilomyces 18:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Mycologist-stub
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Response about old warning post
RESPONSE TO:

"Please do not add commercial links or links to your own private websites to Wikipedia, as you did in Suicidegirls. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Peter G Werner 05:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)"

I'm still getting the hang of some wikipedia systems, but this message if meant for me, was misaddressed. I don't recall ever having viewed a suididegirls page on wikipedia, and certainly did not add a URL to one. If I received this mesage in eror, please excuse.. Jvol 02:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC) PS Suicide Girls is a commercial website. seems like a wikipedia page devoted to a commercial website would be very close to gratuitous advertisement.


 * No, the message wasn't meant for you, but somebody was anonymously posting commercial spam from your IP (69.12.240.218) about 6 months back and I left a warning about it. As for the SuicideGirls WP page, its there because SuicideGirls is notable and newsworthy. There are a lot of pages devoted to for-profit companies – everything from Microsoft down to SuicideGirls. That doesn't mean people are welcome to jump on board start spamming links to their own little websites, though. Cheers – Peter G Werner 03:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Fungus Collaboration as of Jan 2007
DYK there are no fungal Featured Articles on wikipedia at all? I've modelled this on the dinosaur collaboration which has yielded a few FAs. Please have a look and cast your vote and we'll try a concerted attempt at an FA. Link here......Fungi Collaboration

(hope I got all the templates right...) cheers Cas Liber 03:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

(PS: I reckon I know which you'll vote for :)

spore color in mycomorph box
Hello Peter - one way to convey a spore color like purple black is to use the secondary parameters, For example, you can say have two lines: "| sporePrintColor=brown | sporePrintColor2=purple" which will render as "Spore print is brown or purple." Does this syntax work to cover the spore colors you had in mind? If so, I don't think any additional colors are needed, but if not, I'm happy to add some, just send me a list. Debivort 08:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No, "brown or purple" doesn't mean nearly the same thing as "purple-brown". I'll thumb through my field guides and make sure I'm not leaving out anything important. I'll let you know soon. Peter G Werner 08:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Chroogomphus

 * While I commend your additions to Chroogomphus, I feel my efforts as the author of most of the article has been disrespected by your removal of so much material. There were many points made in the blockquotes which you failed to keep included in the article after you removed those quotes.  This seems to me arbitrary and inconsiderate.  The blockquotes were not spurious and, I believe, help make the article more accessible to people who whose knowledge of the subject is more modest than that of a candidate for an MS Thesis in Biology.  It's not a textbook and unencyclopedic phrases such as "Unfortunately for those who really care, the very similar Chroogomphus rutilus shares--or can share--these features" add vitality to the article and are of great benefit as long as they are germane to the topic.  It's unrealistic for editors to expect agreement on every matter and I do expect my work to be edited.  However, upon seeing hundreds of words removed from my text hours after including it, my feeling upon its discovery was similar to what I imagine your's and most editors would be.  I'd appreciate if you would not remove the text I've chosen to re-add but instead respect the spirit of collaboration through which all of us can produce something better than any of us.  Thanks. House of Scandal 21:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * First, I was not being "inconsiderate", I was editing, with the aim of improving the quality of the article. I'll quote the following from the Wikipedia policy about ownership of articles: "If you don't want your material to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." My edits were aimed at improving the article. The way you wrote includes far too many direct quotation. Quite simply, that's a poor writing practice in any medium, including Wikipedia. If I were to have simply tagged the article an moved on, I would have given it the following tag:




 * Summary of your sources is far preferable to direct quotation. Your first quote about the phylogenetics of Chroogomphus add undue weight to this subject. It was mentioned at the beginning of the article and is something that should be covered in more depth in the article Gomphidiaceae, where such content is more directly relevant. In the second, I wrote a summary for that information, which as I said, is strongly preferable to a direct quote. I appreciate your contributions, but I'm taking the quotes out. Peter G Werner 22:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and not that it’s necessarily important to you, but I am going to credit you as a co-author of the article on the DYK page so that you get a DYK block for your “stamp collection”. House of Scandal 21:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I discovered you already included yourself. Well, my intentions were good. House of Scandal 21:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

SFD notification
This message is to notify you that a stub category that you created is up for deletion at WP:SFD. Please join the discussion. Thanks. ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  15:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Mushroom
Yeah, I did get the vaguest impression I was in over my head. I'll remove the copy-editing tag and let you have a go at the content. Feel free to give me a yell if you need eyeballs. — Justin Koser 03:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks – I think a rewrite will take a while (I hope to pull some collaborators into it), though right now I'm going to restructure it, so that it can be more readily be rewritten in a useable form. Peter G Werner 03:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

spore print color icons
Hello Peter, I've added spore print color icons to template:mycomorphbox. Take a look when you have a moment and see if they are what you had in mind. Debivort 22:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Its pretty much what I had in mind, though for reddish-brown, I envisioned more of a rust color and for yellow-orange more of a yellowish-ochraceous color. But looks good, in any event. Now I can put the correct shades on the mycomorph boxes for Psilocybe and Galerina. Peter G Werner 00:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject San Francisco

 * Would be happy to! Peter G Werner 09:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Fungi
I noticed that you started WikiProject Fungi, an excellent initiative! TeunSpaans 07:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Saffron
Thank you for adding it to WP:SPICES. I'd noticed it as a featured article, but that was before I decided to get a little more involved with the project. Thanks for doing that. You are more than welcome to participate actively. Right now I am mostly concentrating on helping many of the less active Food and Drink WikiProjects get a little more organized with a common set of tools and features. I am also working on finishing up a big cleanup project for the Mixed Drinks project, which runs through February. After that, I will probably focus more on the Herbs and Spices project. It's more where my real interests lie. -- Willscrlt (  T alk · C ntrb  ) 12:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Lots of projects I'd like to participate in on Wikipedia, but only so many I have time for, regrettably. I'm most active with WikiProject Fungi, but food and wine topics interest me a great deal as well (I even wrote the majority of the article on Malvasia). Right now, I'm working on an article on candy cap mushrooms, which are a mushroom that's used as a flavoring, analogous to fenugreek, cinnamon, or vanilla. Peter G Werner 21:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject SF Bay Area
Thank you for the invitation - I just encountered the project a couple of days ago, on the Talk page of an article I had worked on. Glad to join! Best, --MCB 00:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject
Thanks for the invite. I'd be happy to join the effort! --User:RK-SFO 16:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

SFBA invitation.
Thanks for the invitation. I am happy to help. 05:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schmiteye (talk • contribs) 05:36, 16 February 2007

Thanks
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the invitation. I may not do a whole lot, but will add photos as I can.

Thanks again!

--Mactographer 06:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome!

Thanks for the invite
I shall not officially join at this time, but it sounds like a great project, and I shall continue to contribute my small efforts to this region as i have time. At present I have some longer articles in development on Belize and Madagascar, regions that more badly need representation. Thanks also for your kind words. Cheers. Anlace 22:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Graffiti
Regards, Dfrg.msc 07:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure. It overlaps with my interest in Bay Area art, in which street art plays an important role. Peter G Werner 08:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Great! Check out the talk page, ect. I'm at the moment co-ordination now that Peter is "somewhere" so feel free to help anywhere. I am checking the list of participants and crossing out the ones that are inactive. It's not looking good. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 08:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Jumpaclass
Since you're such a frequent contributor to WP:BAY, I wanted to tell you that I've added the Jumpaclass feature. You can participate by picking a stub, start, or B-class article and improving it at least one level within a week. It'd be really great if people would participate, not only for the project, but also because me being the only participant would just be sad.

Also, I noticed that you're studying biology and involved in a number of plant-related projects. I started the Nassella laevissima article because I had a picture and wanted to do something with it, but unfortunately I know very little about plants. Based on my Google searches, Nassella laevissima is not particularly easy to find information on, but if you do know anything about it, and would like to contribute to the article, that would also be appreciated.

Thanks!

— Emiellaiendiay 18:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I can contribute to Jumpaclass at some point. Right now I'm trying to do something similar with Mount Tamalpais, which was basically a stub. I'm trying to get enough at least basic information about various important aspects of the mountain (both cultural and natural history) to get it to at least Start Class. (Actually, whenever its Marin's "turn" for Collaboration of the Month, I propose Mount Tamalpais.)


 * As for the other article, I'm not a big fan of starting articles on individual species just because one happens to have a picture of it, without any other reference to the notability of the species. Of course, there are other people who hold that there should be Wikipedia article for every single species, but with 1 million + species of living organism on Earth, that strikes me as impossible. I usually prefer to start articles on genera (or even families, depending on the group), then start breaking out articles on individual species once enough material on a particular species accumulates. Anyway, I just moved the whole article to Nassella, which is a notable genus of grasses which so far has no article.
 * Peter G Werner 21:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for what you've done with the nassella page. — Emiellaiendiay 00:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies
Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of unassessed articles tagged with. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 21:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I might help out with this some, however, the problem I have with any kind of article grading is that the whole grading system is a bit of a mystery to me. When does an article stop being a Stub and become a Start class article? (Its more than just length, I think.) How does a "GA" (good article) class article differ from a B- or A-class article. I'm pretty unclear on that right now. Also, I do list myself as member of WikiBiography Project, but what I contribute is really an extension of the other Wikiprojects I'm part of – hence, my focus is on biographies of biologists (especially, mycologists), notable San Francisco Bay Area figures, and contemporary artists and musicians. Peter G Werner 23:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter
The March 2007 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Mocko13 21:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Biological Value
I noticed you appear to be involved in biology articles or WikiProjects relating to biology and human processes. This article, on a method for evaluating biological utilizations rates of proteins in humans and animals, was started in August and is in need of the attention of an expert. We are having trouble locating one and the article desperately needs it. This method is used constantly in bodybuilding magazines and products and is the subject of much misinformation and half-truths. On the other hand it does appear to have some value. Please help if possible. In case you're wondering why I picked you I just looked through some Science WikiProjects and biology articles and your name appeared a lot in one or both categories. Incidentally if you decide not to do this for whatever reason there's no need to reply. I'll just take it you're busy or uninterested and leave it at that. Thanks. Quadzilla99 22:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know how you came up with me, since I haven't contributed anything on the subject of human biology, actually. My expertise is in fungal biology. I also know a bit about plants and insects. Most of my knowledge is in the area of organismal biology and ecology, rather than complex anatomy and physiology. Yours is a human physiology question – you might try asking somebody listed on Wikiproject Medicine. They'd be more knowledgeable about this than I.


 * Best of luck with your project. Peter G Werner 05:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for assistance
Hi. I wonder if you wouldn't mind taking a look over the talk pages of Space music, Ambient music and New Age music. It appears that a group of sockpuppets belonging to Brian Wilson aka skysurfer are being used to orchestrate the attempted insertion of strange, unverifiable POV content into these and other related articles - starting with the posting huge volumes of tendentious and vexatious nonsense on the talk pages of these articles, to create the false impression of consensus. Milomedes, Parzival418 and Doktor_Who are some of the most active suspected sockpuppets involved. As someone with previous experience of skysurfer, I'd appreciate your opinion on how best to address this, as the problem appears to be rapidly escalating. --Gene_poole 01:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you sure Parzival418 is the same person? I read his or her reply to my comments under Ambient and popular music and they seemed reasonable enough to me, unlike some of the tendentious rambling that I tended to associate with Skysurfer.


 * Sorry I haven't contributed to the Ambient article in a long time, but I've been working on a lot of other things both on and off Wikipedia. Plus, there's so much contentiousness around the issue of what is ambient music, it really makes it difficult to come to a the consensus necessary to work on an article effectively. Ironically, I've been contributing quite a bit to articles on punk rock lately without nearly so much hassle. Of course, one of the great advantages with punk is that its history is just so well documented – practically any city with a halfway notable punk scene has at least one book on the subject. That makes settling arguments by reference to citable references pretty easy. There are sources out there for ambient music, of course, but not nearly as many. Peter G Werner 01:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm more than 80% certain they're all one person - more than likely one suffering from a medically diagnosed multiple personality / paranoid disorder. The long, rambling 4-paragraph responses that either ignore or else selective mis-quote references are one giveaway. The fact they all share identical opinions on identical obscure subjects, continually cross-reference each others' comments, and leap in to defend each other whenever challenged add to that suspicion. They also all appear to have a German cultural background. --Gene_poole 02:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

SFBA wikiproject
Hi. well you inspired me to join this project. Im finding the "Jumpaclass" activity a very worthwhile module within the project. Presently we are in need of members who can help out by reviewing the improved articles. I hope you can visit WikiProject San Francisco Bay Area/Jumpaclass and assist with reviews of one or more of these articles. best regards. Anlace 02:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll definitely check those out and give you feedback. I've just been too busy lately to "compete" in a timed article improvement contest, but hopefully in a few months, I can get something going. BTW, some articles that don't exist now but would really be worth starting would be Peninsula Watershed and Mount Tamalpais Watershed, which are actually two of the largest protected natural areas in the Bay Area. Peter G Werner 03:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * thanks for the positive feedback. Ill put these watershed articles on my (long) to do list, because i do agree with the importance of these pages. best regards. Anlace 03:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:Infobox oils
Your request at WP:REQT is complete. Every parameter is optional (though a few depend on parent values). I give you this greasy gift:
 * &mdash;dgies tc 08:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Peter G Werner 10:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Great work on Template:Infobox oils. One thing that got left out, though – I wanted a section at the end with a leading line and header text (like at "Compostion" or "Properties") That reads "References" where the sources for the info in the infobox could be added in "ref" format. I couldn't figure out how to add such a section myself. Could you add this?


 * Thanks – Peter G Werner 17:25, 10 March 2007 (UT
 * That got left out for 2 reasons.  1) A references section would be very cramped in an infobox.  2) If you placed a &lt;references/&gt; tag in an infobox, it would capture every reference in the whole article, and place it in the infobox.  Info in infoboxes should be referenced.  For an example of how to do it, see the infobox used in Hernando Arias de Saavedra.  &mdash;dgies tc 17:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, what I was talking about was a space at the end to put all the "ref" tags for references used in the infobox, not a place to have them display. So at the infobox, after the word "references", there would be a series of numbered citations, which would display at the end of the article with the other references. I suppose I could do it like in the other article you've pointed to, though. Thanks Peter G Werner 17:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Psilocybe
Hi Peter, I saw that you put back the section about legal issues into psilocybe. I am not sure how I feel about that. Since psilocybe is one of many genuses that have members that contain psilocybin, wouldn't it make more sense to put this content in the psychedelic mushroom article?

If that content belongs in Psilocybe, why not Panaeolus, Gymnopilus, Inocybe, Galerina, etc?

I think that a lot of the articles content should be moved to psychedelic mushroom, such as the Gordon Wasson stuff, etc, because Psilocybe is a specific genus and a lot of the history / drug stuff applies to more than just psilocybe.

What do you think?

Alan Rockefeller (Talk - contribs) 04:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * What I really (strongly) dislike about the Psychedelic mushroom article is that "psychedelic mushrooms" covers both Amanita muscaria and psilocybin mushrooms. These are mushrooms with very different effects, different histories, different legal status, etc. As a result, that article is a confused mess. Now perhaps if there was an article on Psilocybin mushrooms, then I could see moving that content there, along with much of the content of "Psychedelic mushroom". In fact, in my opinion, that article should merely be a disambiguation page redirecting to Amanita muscaria and Psilocybin mushroom. What do you think? Peter G Werner 06:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

RE: Invitation
Thanks for the invitation this is the first wiki project group I have joined --Cs california 00:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Film Biography
Hey see my proposals at WikiProject Council/Proposals and the main WP Film and Biography talk page. Start model is at User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld/Film biography page model Know anybody who is interested? Actors and all film people articles need a body on wikipedia to upkeep them asthey need more focus -it would be a part of Biogrpahy and Film and a part of Arts and Entertainment. The project also includes cinematographers so if you have any knowledge in this field please join. If you are interested or know somebody who would be, please let them know and whether you think it is a good progession for the project or not. Please leave your views at the council or biogrpahy main talk page. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "I've been expecting you" 20:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm probably participating in way more WikiProjects than I really should, but on the other hand, I am kind of a cinematography geek, so if there's a need for somebody with that kind of knowledge, I suppose I could make contributions in that area. Peter G Werner 00:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Central California Schools
Hello Peter J Werner I am Wikimania1011. I have recently started the Central California Schools WikiProject. I wish to act is conjunction with the San Francisco Bay WikiProject, as I live in Santa Cruz myself.

Thank you for welcoming me so warmly. Wikimania

Psilocybin mushroom article
It's March 27 so you can create the new psilocybin mushroom article and move the muscaria info now since there was no opposition. And yea, Psychedelic mushroom should be a disambiguation page. Though in my opinion even that is inaccurate because muscaria isn't even a psychedelic (amanita muscaria is a dissociative). Zachorious 23:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. Peter G Werner 00:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Getting articles protected
I've found that certain admins are better at protecting articles than others. Try asking the ones who DO slap on protection directly at their talk page...I've found User:Nishkid to be more helpful than most. They will also explain why they can't, if they can't. Montanabw 23:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Moderately newbie-ish question about the Bay Area WikiProject
I've never joined a WikiProject before, but I'd like to get involved in this one. I notice that there's an invitation template for this project - do I need to wait to be invited, or do I just sign myself up on the project's page? Thanks in advance, JavaTenor 22:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * By all means, feel welcome to join. You don't need a formal invitation. Peter G Werner 06:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Toward Fungal FA
Yeast seems to be going well - must be getting close to nomination. Someone nominated Amanita phalloides for GA which is on hold. With some good articles I've been able to expand it quite a bit. Still need to get some more info on some of the toxins but am keen for more input. All feedback appreciated. cheers, Casliber | talk  |  contribs 21:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool – I'll have a look. Personally, I'm for keeping article-improvement collaborations down to one article per month, two being too difficult to get to. The yeast article totally needs something on yeast taxonomy. I'll try to put together something about that in the next week or so. Peter G Werner 22:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree, it was only the fact that we had a tiebreaker and that Yeast seemed to have a few different people working on it. I think putting the fungal collab on hold for a few months until/if there is further interest. I will see what happens as I have posted a few notes on them on some user talk pages. cheers, Casliber | talk  |  contribs 23:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a couple of things, the GA reviewer had some additional points here at the bottom - mycorrhiza is way outside my area of expertise (psychiatry) - can you elaborate at all on or do you know of anything about mycorrhiza of Amanita phalloides? cheers, Casliber | talk  |  contribs 08:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The WikiProject Biography Newsletter: Issue II - April 2007
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How many mushrooms
About how many mushrooms do you think you have? Repley on my discussion page please.HarryFanatic102 22:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)HarryFanatic102


 * I have no idea what you mean by that. Peter G Werner 02:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

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MSSF Meeting
Peter -

It was fun hanging out with you after the MSSF meeting.

See you at the next one!

Alan Rockefeller (Talk - contribs) 23:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Amanita phalloides at FAC
...I can't bear the suspense.. I think I've done all I can and I've nominated Amanita phalloides at FAC....cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 05:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks great! My only issue is the part about paddy-straw mushrooms. That maybe one of the mushrooms its mistaken for, however, two edible species looking almost exactly like (and are closely related to) Amanita phalloides, A. manganiana and A. pseudoporphyria, are widely consumed throughout Southeast Asia and are a more likely candidate for what Southeast Asians think they are collecting when they consume A. phalloides in North America. I'll also add something on Anne Pringle's population genetics work. Peter G Werner 11:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced locator dots
I noticed the red dot on the map for Blackwood-Harwood Plantations Cemetery was in Alabama, so I adjusted the x and y coordinates by hand to make it closer to Tallahassee. Then I noticed the same error in Caroline Brevard Grammar School, so I figured something was up. I think the coordinates used to be correct, but the image on the new template is now a different size (I think you did that), so they all appear shifted. I'm not sure how many articles are affected or what to do about it, so I'm just alerting other people to the problem. —Keenan Pepper 00:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

June 2007 Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter
WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter June 2007

Manuel Neri
Discussion moved to Talk:Manuel Neri.

WikiProject Graffiti Newsletter
Greetings from WikiProject Graffiti, you are part of a dedicated group of people working to better Wikipedia's coverage of topics relating to Graffiti. Latest News: If you are looking for something to do:
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 * You can also help but uploading pictures or images of Graffiti and Street art.

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congrats!
Cheers! Debivort 20:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

July 2007 Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter
WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter July 2007--Christopher Tanner, CCC 19:19, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Smile
 Hello Peter G Werner, Hydrogen Iodide has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Reply
Sorry for the late response about Image:Lesymuralccsf.JPG. I deleted the image under the I8 criterion for speedy deletion (CSD). This was because the image had been moved to the Wikimedia commons. However, a commons admin deleted it there for some reason, and I have asked him about his deletion here. Picaroon (Talk) 19:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, the Commons admin got back to me, and pointed to Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Lesymuralccsf.JPG as the reason it was deleted over there. The image was uploaded here as public domain, but it is, as we know, actually a non-free image. If you would like for me to undelete it and replace the PD-self tag with fairuse and orfud, I will do so. That would give you or anybody else five days to place it in an article (de-orphaning it) and write up a fair use rationale for its inclusion before it is deleted again as an orphaned fair use image. Picaroon (Talk) 22:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Weirdo1.jpg
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August 2007 Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter
WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter August 2007
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Visual Kei
I am contacting a few people in the WikiProject Music genres project to please come and give a Neutral point of view on if we should consider Visual Kei a "genre". There is currently an edit war that has been going on since January of 2007 - we really some outside opinions. I have put some information on the WP Music Genres talk page, if you have time to look. Thanks either way. Denaar 06:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

comment request
Hi there, would you be so kind as to provide an indepenant neutral opinion of the image Construccionkaiserrick.jpg at the section of the same name on the talk page of Richmond Medical Center here please? Thank you very much as this may help to alleviate a current debate over its inclusion.CholgatalK! 01:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

September 2007 WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter
WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter September 2007

--Christopher Tanner, CCC 15:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

WP meetup
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Amanita phalloides
The Amanita phalloides article received heavy editing today by unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Wikipedia Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to that page. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 06:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear expert in science,
I would like someone to do an experienced copyedit on the article Clonaid. I spent the equivalent of 2 shifts (16 hours) trying to improve the article from this to this. Since you know how to make featured articles, I was thinking that you would be interested. If you have any suggestions, please post them at Peer review/Clonaid. The article is currently a featured article candidate. Sincerely, Kmarinas86 22:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Orchidaceae
Hi Peter. An anon added today this comment to Talk:Orchidaceae (I've edited this text a little bit):

"What's currently written in the "Appearance and Structure" section is wrong. Myco-heterotroph orchids don't have an ectomycorrhizal relationship. They have a normal orchid mycorrhizal relationship but the fungi involved also have an ectomycorrhizal relationship with a nearby plant, normally a tree. The orchid receives carbon by digesting carbon from the fungus which has received this carbon from the tree in a mutualistic relationship. The orchid is therefore an epi-parasite on the tree. As far as I know there aren't any myco-heterotroph orchids that are dependent on "soil fungi" that get their nutrients from leaf litter. They are always mycorrhizal fungi involved rather than soil fungi. See New Phytologist 127: 171–216 and New Phytologist 167: 335–352. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.232.75.208 (talk) 12:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)"

The text from the New Phytologist 167 can be found here as a .pdf :

As you specialize in fungi, answering this remark be may more in line with your knowledge than mine. I think the anon may have raised a good point and the text in the article has to be adapted accordingly. But on the other hand, this point of ectomycorrhizal relationship was only described in the article for nonphotosynthetic orchids that are myco-heterotrophs. But my knowledge of mycorrhiza and their relationships is very limited.

Can you look into this matter and change the text, if necessary ? Thanks. JoJan 14:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter November 2007
WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter November 2007

--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 04:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:KawasakiHasami.jpg)
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Amanita ocreata
Moved discussion to Talk:Amanita ocreata.

Orphaned non-free media (Image:LustmordBlackStar.ogg)
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 * I don't think you understand, a valid rationale for every article has to be written for it's inclusion on every page, or it won't be added back. The article Conlon Nancarrow cannot contain a gallery of non-free media at the bottom. From WP:FU: Excessive quantities of short audio clips in a single article. A smaller number may be appropriate if each is accompanied by commentary in the accompanying text.  There is no critical commentary written about these songs in these articles. Until you write a valid rationale and write critical commentary to each of these articles about that song, it will be reverted and orphaned. — Save_Us _ 229  05:56, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but for articles like Dark Ambient, free alternatives of media can be made and fails WP:NFCC #1 for having it there. It's use there and in the Lustmord article also don't meet NFCC #8 for significance "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic" The piece of music used in the audio sample is barely mentioned (no commentary on it) in the article and asserts no significance as to why an audio sample is needed to increase the understanding of the topic. Furthurmore, the audio sample image description page failed NFCC #10 as it didn't contain a seperate rationale for it's use in the article. You have to understand that all of these issues most be fixed to comply with WP:NFCC, or I will re-tag for deletion. If your willing to do the work and reinsert them properly with commentary and rationales, I would be happy to re-review it. Most certainly if you contest it, feel free to Wikipedia talk:Non-free content‎ and contest it. — Save_Us _ 229  17:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter December 2007
WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter Decemberr 2007

--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 22:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio
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AfD nomination of Assassination of Benazir Bhutto
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