User talk:Peter Horn/Archive 3

Rail gauge template on London and Blackwall Railway
In one part of the article you hid the template, in favour of Template:Convert. I thought "that's a good idea", because it gives a neater "½" symbol, and did it with another part of the article, with acknowledgements to you in the edit summary. Why the revert of mine, but not yours? There may be an obvious reason that I've missed. --Old Moonraker (talk) 20:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I hid it at the time in favour of Convert because RailGauge was not yet available for that particular gauge. I put a request on Template talk:RailGauge and on User talk:Keith D as I have done often in the past and as soon as became avalable I used it. Peter Horn User talk 20:40, 16 June 2011 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 21:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks. As a regular user of the template, do you see any benefit in having the neater "½" glyph in RailGauge, if it could be done easily? --Old Moonraker (talk) 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If I remember right, this has been discussed before on Template talk:RailGauge but was not adopted. Peter Horn User talk 20:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You do remember right: the decision adopted was to change from the unicode fractions to the current form, partly because of the ones for which there is no glyph and partly for readability. That's that, then. --Old Moonraker (talk) 21:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It could also be argued that all Imperial based gauges are to the nearest &frac14; inch (with perhaps an exception of ), and that all the others are conversions from metric, where a decimal approximation is sufficient. Tim PF (talk) 22:03, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Interpose: "⅜" has a glyph as well.--Old Moonraker (talk) 09:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Tim PF's observation really belongs on Template talk:RailGauge, but I really doubt that any of the contibuters/editors ofRailGauge would really want to round off/change all existing imperial measure templates. Peter Horn User talk 00:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Quite right too, which is why I noted that is broken (currently displays "3 ft 3$11/32$ in", but should be "3 ft 3$11/16$ in", noting converts "3 ft 3$11/32$ in (3 ft)" and "3 ft").  Although "3 ft 3$5/7$ in (3 ft)" would be much closer.  But, we wouldn't trip up over these non-decimal fractional inches if we didn't use them. Tim PF (talk) 22:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I posted a request on Template talk:RailGauge. Peter Horn User talk 00:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Rail transport
Hi Peter, I see that you are one of the top and most recent editors at the Rail transport article. Do you have any interest in the history of the railroads? Over the years I've noticed that just about every other aspect of rail transport is covered, but there is little on the interesting history of the RR. I know nothing of the European history, but in doing research for "my" article, Gandy dancer, I've learned a little about the history in the U.S., and there is certainly enough for an article if someone had the interest. Gandydancer (talk) 10:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * An article covering the entire world would probably become very large, too large so I feel it would be best to include a history section in the railtransport section of each country where such a section does not already exist. E.g. History of rail transport in the Netherlands already has such a section I'll mull over this. Perhaps one could create a list. Peter Horn User talk 22:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Rail transport and History of rail transport already exist. The history of individual railroads would be best included in the individual articles as a section.


 * Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 13:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I didn't mean you
In response to my previous comment you said: I didn't mean you. My comment related generically to any editor of an article, not any particular person. I'm sorry if you thought I was directing the comment at you. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 10:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ''I am not a "non metric person", far from it, and I am not acting on a whim.
 * No problema. Peter Horn User talk 17:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

ha vs km2
Hi Peter, I understand what you are saying and I don't disagree. I recommend one of two actions: 1) taking it up for discussion at WP:UNI so this issue is fixed across the project or 2) be WP:BOLD and apply the units change in all of the college/university articles. I have no problem with the change but prefer it is applied consistently across college/university articles. I was only using the University Wikiproject's FA status articles as precedent, as most US universities are presented in this manner. It might best to be tackled in an automated way by a bot. However, if you wish to revert the Pitt article back to hectares I will not interfere, although I ask you to consider helping to standardize it across the Wikiproject. Cheers, CrazyPaco (talk) 17:29, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Paco The first option is the "easy" one, the second one means that I would have to ask an expert to set up the bot. You might like to look at Crestasee where I changed "| area = 4.7 ha" to "| area = 4.7 ha" in the infobox. This, 4.7 ha, would have been silly. Horizontal distances I converted to yards and vertical elevations to feet. As to metric usage in English language encyclopedias, the Encyclopedia Americana does (did) not give metric equivalents and the Encyclopaedia Britannica does (did) not know how to use Systeme International metric symbols. Only the World Book Encyclopedia gets things right. Peter Horn User talk 18:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Other than for shopping centers, the areas of which are traditionally given in square feet, the square metre is more ekegantly converted to square yards. E.g. in SnowDome Bispingen I changed 23,000 m² from 23,000 m². Peter Horn User talk 18:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You are right about all of these things. Thanks for making me aware of them and educating me about them. CrazyPaco (talk) 02:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * In the infobox of Saint Francis University I changed 600 acres (2,428,095 m²) to 600 acre the former was 19 m² short, see 600 acre and the infobox of Great Northern Way Campus came up with this gem: 7.5 ha (0.075 km2). I took care of that one. I also made changes in University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser University neither of which followed the precedent that you mentioned. Peter Horn User talk 03:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * In University of South Carolina Union I came accross this informative gem, 7 acre, which I changed to 7 acre Peter Horn User talk 00:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Peter, follow and work on a number of university-related articles and noticed your changes on the metric conversions from km² to ha. I agree with CrazyPaco that while the changes are not incorrect, the precedent on WP:UNI is to use km². It may be best to discuss changing the precedent the Wikiproject's discussion page so that the change can be applied consistently across college/university articles if accepted. Personally, I'd rather use whichever measurement is used more frequently for land/property sizes in countries that use the metric system, If you have any insight to which metric measurement (m²/km² or ha) is used most frequently that would be much appreciated. Thanks and happy editing! Bhockey10 (talk) 19:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Bh See Template talk:Convert. The default output for converting the acre is the hectare. It is safe to say that the hectare is the most used to measure land/property/parks, but there is also the are for smaller parcels or small parks and the centiare for city gardens. The hectare is now starting to be used in an increasingly metric Canada. The Canadian universiy and college articles did, for the most part, not follow the precident and I found a number of American ones that did not either. You can find them on my list of editor contributions. But here are three samples: Trinity Christian College with Talk:Trinity Christian College, Elmhurst College with Talk:Elmhurst College and Logan College of Chiropractic where 17 acre was 17-acre (68,800 m²) etc. Ah yes, there was also the Saint Francis University which I mentioned above to Paco. Peter Horn User talk 21:24, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for helping clarify the hectare. I've always thought the m or km was used for land/property measurements across the countries using metric system, is the ha used more outside of Canada as well? As far as some of those American college examples, there seems to be two issues, 1st) they do use the WP:UNI precedent some using m² instead of km² just because the college campuses are so small/under a .5km². The second issue is that some of those conversions were wrong, mainly by editors not using the convert. Bhockey10 (talk) 22:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * An Australian Wikipedian mentions in the Template talk:Convert discussion that the hectare started to be used in Australia as well since the metric system was introduced there and I suspect that this also be the case for New Zeeland. The hectare article should provide some clue as well.The other language Wikis, de:hectare, fr:hectare, es:hectare should give good indications as to established use in metric countries. As for wrong conversions, well, I have given above two examples of a number that I found. by the way 0.5 km² not .5km². long estabished metric usage requires tha the 0 precedes the decimal point or decimal comma. This is important in medical prescriptions. It has been known to happen that, say, a dosage .8mg was (mis)read as 8mg because the . was too faint, with dissastrous results. 0.8 mg would not have been misread even the . were faint. Peter Horn User talk 02:41, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, the Spanish language article is es:Hectárea. For full details about its continued worldwide use see hectare. The English language article has the best info. Peter Horn User talk 02:56, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * In University of Chicago, acres were converted to hectares right from the atart. So mmuch for the precident. Peter Horn User talk 01:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Link from Metrication in Canada
Hi Peter, regarding this edit,what does an external link's retrieval date mean? --Chealer (talk) 05:45, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Chealer If I recall correctly the earlier date was when another editor found that link. When I made my edit I merely reinserted that link wich somehow got detached from the article and lost in the Wiki archives. Peter Horn User talk 20:57, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way this link works perfectly well. Peter Horn User talk 21:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the answer and for the answer notification. Right, I noticed the original URL works. So, if we don't know what this retrieval date means, I think I'll remove it if you have no objection. Also, why does this particular working link have an archived version? BTW, I replied on the speedometer talk page. --Chealer (talk) 22:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The "retrieval date" means the date that any given link has been retrieved (found) on the internet and inserted in any given article. this info has been given in many articles. It is not to be removed anywhere. In this case, the archived link was the original retrieval. Peter Horn User talk 22:27, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed that to a more appropriate/more correct ""accessdate = 2011-08-04". Peter Horn User talk 22:48, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The phrase "Date retrieved" appears frequenly in Metrication among other places. Peter Horn User talk 23:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Excessive precision in unit conversion at St. Louis College of Pharmacy
Hey Peter,

Is there a reason for the extra precision in converting the acres to hectares in the above article? I had removed the extra precision and you have reverted. Would not / 5 acre do? Bleakcomb (talk) 02:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It would do. Peter Horn User talk 21:45, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Reverted. Bleakcomb (talk) 23:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Following on: I have noticed some of your recent edits are adding conversions for acres to hectares (which I find highly commendable, BTW) with one decimal place forced as in. Again the precision shown in the conversion is not contained implicitly in the original acres. You are adding an additional digit of precision. Another way to look at it is that the converted hectares is shown to the nearest tenth of a hectare whereas the original acres is only to the nearest acre. In other words the conversion is creating non-existent precision which is misleading. Using the default precision in convert is usually sufficient for acres to hectares. In the unusual case where it is not, the precision can be manually adjusted. Bleakcomb (talk) 02:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem: University of Wisconsin–Madison, 933 acre was 933 acre. University of Wisconsin–River Falls, 226 acre was 226 acre. I'll take care of the rest later. Peter Horn User talk 02:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

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adding the SAs to schools
Peter, does adding the list of schools in CA (or anywhere else) add to the articles? Such info is already conveyed in the Category listings. It is your call, but I ask that you consider how the SA duplicates the category info. Thanks. --S. Rich (talk) 01:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Srich, I'll have a second look at that, but just how complete is the category info or how much ground does it cover? I would consider the list more convenient or handier. Peter Horn User talk 01:35, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, for the law schools, all of them (in California at least) are covered in two respects. The Categories at the very bottom of the pages and in the Law School template near the bottom. I'd guess that any reader who looks at a law school article is interested in one of two things: 1. where did their lawyer go to law school, or 2. what law school should they go to. They can use the categories or template to jump from school to school. (So for the law schools, I'd leave out the SA list.) Thanks. --S. Rich (talk) 02:03, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, lets just double check if all the laws chools actually have those templates. Peter Horn User talk 02:07, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm calling it a night, CTV national news is coming up, etc. Until tomorrow or later. Peter Horn User talk 02:11, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've done editing on almost all of the CA law schools. They are properly categorized and templated.  Non-law and non-CA schools may be a different issue, but without checking I think those schools are covered too. Good night, Peter.--S. Rich (talk) 02:24, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

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Rails of Vancouver Island
Peter: The E and N runs from Johnson Street, Victoria, to a weedy demise in Courteney. Barge ramps in Vic West and Nanaimo.

I think the tracks on Store street (industrial spur) have been removed. The Blue Johnson Street Bridge in for refit, and its 100 meters of track, and access to Victoria and Station, all in doubt.

CN had a barge ramp at Point Ellis Yard, and it connected to Galloping Goose and a spur up Saanich until 1990 when removed. It connected to Cowichan and they had a barge ramp in at Cowichan too. Connections via SS Canora to 5 Road Richmond, on the North Arm.

CN had a line from fisgard street to Sidney, but defunct 1930.

Unloading ramps in Vancouver. CP in Coal Harbour; CN at Port Mann, and later Richmond; GN at Port Guichon. CP ramp in Nanaimo next to Gabriola Ferry

Got any good books in English on old Dutch tugs?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 07:01, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info, but what are your sources? Sorry, I don't know of any books in English on old Dutch tugs. Peter Horn User talk 18:01, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Peter-- R. Turner Vancouver Isle RRs is the Standard work, much of it or details are online. I lived on V.I. for 6 years. Dave Wilkie, turner's colleague, wrote a number of small booklets. On the Mt Sicker Rwy; V and S; and others. The CN and BCER on island arent covered completely — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 12:36, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additional refereces. You might consider including them in all appropriate articles as an external link if the info is available on line. I lived in Victoria from 17 June 1952 until the the early summer of 1959 and again from April 1961 until the summer of 1962. I graduated from Victoria Highschool in 1955. Peter Horn User talk 01:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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 * Not unless you ezplain me how to do that. May be it;s just my computer/screen that is "playing games". Peter Horn User talk 14:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Joint Graduate Programs
Hi there. I see you have edited the University of Guelph article in the past. I was hoping to ask for your opinion on the Joint Graduate Programs section. Another user and I seem to be having a dispute about it. I would appreciate your comment on the talk page. Thanks! -- Natural  R X 23:42, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

What is the reason for the What happened to User Cfmrail page?
While I set up a wiki account, I haven't had the time or the knowledge to be other than a user of Wikipedia. Are you trying to purge you files of dead users?

Clark Morris, cfmpublic@ns.sympatico.ca — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cfmrail (talk • contribs) 02:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no intention to purge my files of "dead users", I'm just curious to see who you are. Peter Horn User talk 02:53, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * PS, I chanced upon you at Talk:Translohr. You appear to be a railfan. Peter Horn User talk 03:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

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Standardizing AMT colours

 * By the way see Template talk:AMT color. Peter Horn User talk 00:18, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Overlinking
Have you read this in the documentation for Template:Main:
 * When a Wikipedia article is large, it is often rewritten in summary style. This template is used below the heading of the summary, to link to the sub-article that has been (or will be) summarised. This template is not to be used as a substitute for inline links or as a "see also". Its usage should be restricted to the purpose described above.

You seem to want to do the opposite, by inserting that template everywhere. The template has been correctly used in the main STM article to link to "Montreal Metro" and "List of Montreal bus routes", which are sub-articles. Station and terminus articles have got no direct relationship to individual transit service as sub-articles and only inline links should be used. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, understood. Peter Horn User talk 23:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought you should know, for the future, because you obviously thought it was the right thing to do. I will only remove them if I am doing other housekeeping. I have also removed the misleading STM link from the ATM color template. Thanks again for your feedback on that. Secondarywaltz (talk) 23:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way see Template talk:AMT color. Peter Horn User talk 00:15, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Terminus Henri-Bourassa
Just a thought! Terminus Henri-Bourassa (AMT) has only one page at AMT. I think you should probably merge north and south into one article, exactly like Terminus Côte-Vertu (AMT) has two sites but one name and AMT page. Here is an infobox you could use if you want, beacuse I'm finished for the night. Secondarywaltz (talk) 01:35, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Good Idea, long overdue. But may I point out that there are two different shades of green in Terminus Côte-Vertu (AMT) & in route list Peter Horn User talk 02:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * May be not the same shade. Peter Horn User talk 03:25, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This anomaly of two pages is one of long standing. Whoever combines the two must remember to revise AMTbus Peter Horn User talk 03:25, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As an interim measure I have created Terminus Henri-Bourassa (AMT) in my user space. It is far from finished, the introductory info has to be blended and duplicate nearby points (places) of interest as well as duplicate external links have yet to be deleted. Peter Horn User talk 17:38, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Terminus Henri-Bourassa (AMT) is now up and running. Terminus Henri-Bourassa Sud (AMT) and Henri-Bourassa Terminus Nord (AMT) are now #REDIRECT pages. Peter Horn User talk 20:25, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Terminus Henri-Bourassa (AMT). Peter Horn User talk 21:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The answer is here. Peter Horn User talk 22:08, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Notes and assists

 * Terminus Sud is shown as an AMT facility on this Henri-Bourassa Station Neighbourhood Map by STM. Why are you answering questions on talk pages that are several years old? Redirects should not even have talk pages.
 * I am going to hide the former routes, since they are so prominent in the article.
 * Using short form STM, STL and RTL in Template:Rail color box in the infobox now links to the bus routes not just those bus companies. If you use the full name you will still link to the top of the main article. There is an article for STM routes and if the others ever get created I can change the link to that article not just a current section.
 * The "style" parameter in the infobox refers to an actual Template, and you can't just enter anything, otherwise you don't even get the default. In this case it should be "AMT Station". Heh, just try "TTC" and see what you get.
 * I will follow on behind you and do some cleanup.
 * Thanks Peter - nice job. Secondarywaltz (talk)

Terminus Île-des-Soeurs (AMT)
I can find no evidence for an AMT facility by this name and it is not shown on any map, timetable or official web site. All I can find is a study for possible Île-des-Soeurs light rail station or simply a reference to the bus stop at the Bell Canada Campus. If you know that there is a Terminus, and can reference it, please create the article. Otherwise I will be removing the confusing red links. Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It appears to be mentioned here as an STM terminus. Peter Horn User talk 00:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Make that Campus BellCampus Bell as the end point of one STM and one RTL line. Peter Horn User talk 01:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Campus Bell Peter Horn User talk 01:27, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In that context "terminus", with a lower case "t", means the place where the bus route ends or terminates not a physical bus station or Terminus as a proper name. Secondarywaltz (talk) 15:27, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Away
I'll be mostly away for the next four weeks. Peter Horn User talk 22:49, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That was quick? Welcome back :) Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm addicted to Wiki and I can't stay away, even when I'm not at home. Peter Horn User talk 17:28, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes - I know what you mean, because ALL of those stations you have been editing are on my watch list. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:32, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I use copy and paste to speed things up. Peter Horn User talk 17:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, all stations from Saint Lambert (AMT) outwards lack RTL and other bus tables. Peter Horn User talk 21:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Correction, make that from Saint-Hubert (AMT) outwards. Peter Horn User talk 21:28, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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 * But not when you created the Redirect. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That's right, I moved it to mainspace the day after the removal notice was posted. Peter Horn User talk 17:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * OK then Peter. It wasn't a snafu, because at the time you created it, the redirect DID point to a User space sandbox, and that is why the BOT nominated it for deletion. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A yes, I need a nap and some rest. Peter Horn User talk 17:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * We're just not as perky as we used to be. [[File:Smile.svg]] Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * How true... Peter Horn User talk 21:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Rosemere High School
I see you have contributed to the article about Rosemere High School, and I appreciate that. If you have time, can you take a look at another article, Pinewood Elementary School (Mascouche, Quebec), that breifly describes Pinewood Elementary School, which belongs to the same school board as Rosemere High School.

Give me feedback please.

Thank you!

--MaxAMSC (talk) 22:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not at home now, and won't be back until about mid March. I'll have a look at it then. Try if the school has its own web site. Peter Horn User talk 06:10, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Repentigny-Mascouche Line
Are you going to create articles for the stations? . . . or are you just going to overstuff the line article instead? Come on now! I've done Mascouche (AMT) for a start. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have NO intention to overstuff the line article. Feel free to do the other stations as well using the AMT links as a source. Note that the Charlemagne Station is toastList. Peter Horn User talk 20:34, 5 March 2012 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 20:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * - and a few more added. I just meant that so much of the information should be in the stations not in the article about the line. There is no point in duplication - except there was nowhere else to put it. I will finish them tomorrow, and you can make your normal capable contributions. Thanks. Secondarywaltz (talk) 00:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Overlinking
In the AMT station articles, the heading in the connecting bus routes table links to the Société de transport de Montréal and the infobox links to List of Montreal bus routes. Why do you need another link? Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. By the way it is a bit of a job to find the night routes besides that the AMT info is not always correct. Peter Horn User talk 22:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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Specifications/Infobox
Yeah, we should get rid of the Specifications section on the New York City Subway car articles and put them in an infobox. For those where they are disagreements between them, leave them alone until we can find the correct data. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 00:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * In most, if not all, cases I have already transferred the data into the infoboxes. There may still be the odd one without an infobox. I found only that one instance that I already mentioned that showed a discrepency. Peter Horn User talk 00:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * MS Multi-section car (New York City Subway car) is one of those that does not yet have template:infobox train. Peter Horn User talk 01:21, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * jumper cable does not really fit the bill. Peter Horn User talk 18:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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Please use the preview button when editing articles on New York City Subway cars. For example, there is no need for TEN edits to the R1 article over the last 24 hours, when the same could be accomplished with one edit. Please slow down and check your work before clicking the save button. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 15:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I do use the preview button, but even then I did not catch all that I should have caught, or would liked to have caught, the first time around. I'm on a learning curve. The more I look at it the more I find. The infoboxes are consistently inconsistent. Peter Horn User talk 15:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a bullshit excuse to me. You've been a user for over 6 years?  And you have 4 sandboxes; next time try using one of them to work out your "learning cuve." --204.128.192.33 (talk) 16:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That would imply copying an entire infobox or even an entire aricle either into one of my sandboxes or, alternatively onto a "WordPad" or a "Notepad", both of which I have done in the past. But then there is still no guarante that I'll find all that I would want to find. Cheers. Peter Horn User talk 17:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

rubber-tyred running pad
Hi, you added running pad to rubber-tyred metro, it redirects to precast concrete, but running pads in Paris metro are steel ones...

I saw you edit a lot on Paris metro, feel free to ask questions to French wiki project fr:P:TIDF.

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 * You are so right, now that you remind me, the Paris ones are WF H-beams laid on one flange while the wheel runs on the other. Square or rectangular steel tubes could be possible. Peter Horn User talk 00:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

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I've reverted your recent edit to this template, as I was seeing corruption on many (if not all) articles that used this template, and the corruption seemed to start around the point the template was invoked. The reversion has fixed the corruption, so it does look like it was caused by your change. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 16:41, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Would it not have been worth while to fix rhe problem and keep a useful X reference rather than just eliminate the problem? Peter Horn User talk 16:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * caused similar damage. In both cases, the content that you added would have been more appropriate on the documentation pages for the two templates. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixing the problem would have required a level of understanding of the grotesque syntax of WP's templating language, something I've mostly so far managed to avoid in 8 years of editing WP. I certainly have no idea of the correct way to add a see also section to a template, if such a thing is even possible or desirable. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Redrose64 may well have the answer, we might go with that. Anyway, I have noticed that template:infobox locomotive and template:infobox train are X referenced to each other in some way. Peter Horn User talk 17:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Since it's within the pale green box, it's on the doc page for the template. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:38, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, much obliged. I'm going to have a closer look at that. Peter Horn User talk 21:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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EMD Engines
You labelled a EMD 645 engine as four stroke twice eg here and somewhere else.. .. All EMD 645 (as well as EMD 710, and EMD 567 engines) are two stroke! Oranjblud (talk) 00:11, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will correct. Peter Horn User talk 00:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just go ahead and correct the errors, if you have not already done so, because I just don't recall all the articles implicated. Peter Horn User talk 00:23, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Another note
The MOS recommends not adding the company type to article titles (see Naming conventions (companies)), so linking to Dortmunder Eisenbahn GmbH is sort of wrong.. It doesn't actually matter, but I don't think you need to do it.Oranjblud (talk) 01:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It is just so that some one can start the article. Peter Horn User talk 01:47, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Peter, I see you've been doing some cleaning up on the South African diesel locomotive articles. Just one little problem: The wheelbase distances I used are for the overall wheelbase (first to last wheel centres) and not the distance between pivot centres. I calculated the wheelbase distances from the measurements given on the loco drawings that I used as reference. I'll add the pivot distances next time I get around to those articles. Regards, André Kritzinger 18:10, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Andre,

No problem, one just calls it the "overall" wheelbase, or something to that effect. It's a bit unusual, but what the heck. By the way, the bogie wheelbase really should go in the wheelbase parameter. The bogie parameter would feature the kind of bogie such as perhaps "two axle" or "three axle". By the way, template: infobox German railway vehicle has separate parameters (fields) for the bogie wheelbase and the distance between pivots.Peter Horn User talk 18:31, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ja, there are other things that the infobox didn't provide for, but at the time I did these I wasn't yet confident enough to fool around with such a major template. I've since learned a few things - even fixed the no-margin problem on the German infobox... For the wheelbase, I've now settled for "bogie", "between pivots" and "overall". Then there's still the distance between wheel centres in the bogies themselves. Will get to that later on. Best, André Kritzinger 18:47, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * At one time I posted Template talk:Infobox locomotive as samples and since then I have lost track of how many infoboxes in different articles I have cleaned up. Peter Horn User talk 18:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Question: Why would a diesel-electric transmission have a "gear ratio"?. The electric generator or alternator is usually deiven directly from the engine crankshaft through a coupling. Peter Horn User talk 19:55, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, of course, the "gear ratio" would apply to the interface between the traction motor and the axle. Peter Horn User talk 20:04, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * So, ek kan dus maar jou vraagtekens verwyder? :) André Kritzinger 20:23, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Dat kan heus wel. Peter Horn User talk 20:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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It's a good idea to avoid "#ed" redirects eg http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RENFE_Class_130&diff=516560331&oldid=516559893 - create a named page eg Railway disc brake as an intermediate, and redirect that to where it needs to go - it saves a lot of work if anyone ever creates a separate article - as there is only 1 Disc brake links to fix.. If that makes sense.Oranjblud (talk) 01:26, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea, makes sense, I'll fix that now. Peter Horn User talk 01:32, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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BS-Daten in Ferropedia
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Hi, we are trying to implement BS-Daten (or a simplified version of it) in www.ferropedia.es ...with mixed results. Here is a try Could you try to help? We would appreciate a lot!--Ferropediamember (talk) 13:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look at it and see what I can do. Don't apply a shortened version. Peter Horn User talk 18:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, ahora ve. tengo que traducir de aleman al español. esse va tomar bastante tiempo. Peter Horn User talk 18:24, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Vielen Dank für Deine Antwort. Not necessary to translate at this point. We can understand German and English and translate the parts that should be translated at a later stage. What we would like, is that you upload/tell us which templates are necessary. As you can see, the series BS work well for the line representationm for example here., but I can not make work BS-Daten. We would like to have an infobox with the main characteristics of the lines on top of the line itself, as you have done with BS-Daten for example in the Nuremberg- Erfurt_high-speed_railway--Ferropediamember (talk) 18:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * De nada. As for the templates that you'll need, I'll have a look at that. For a starter, may be useful. As for eventual translation(s), I have English (US)/Spanish  Spanish/English (US) word lists on file that pertain to the RR industry. my e-mail address is peter.j.c.horn@gmail.com. Peter Horn User talk 19:04, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

links for km/h/s and mph/s
I have posted a request here. if you have any idea what should be used for links, then please comment. Frietjes (talk) 14:38, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Peter Horn User talk 19:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Header corrected. Peter Horn User talk 19:29, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps as sections under metre per second squared and foot per second squared respectively? Peter Horn User talk 19:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Gangways
Hi, regarding : in British English, the "gangway" may refer either to a walkway within the coach or to a flexible connection between two coaches. In this case it's the former; see The London Underground never used corridor connections until the arrival of the S stock two years ago. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:07, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification, I encountered the same usage, a lengthwise corridor throughout a coach, in an article about Indian rolling stock. American English and British English are distinct dialects. Peter Horn User talk 13:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I made two appropriate additions to the gangway disambiguation page. Peter Horn User talk 14:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you sure about ? I've been following the railways of Great Britain since 1979 and have never come across "gangway" in that context. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:48, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I took my cue from the footplate article itself. If it's not correct, feel free to make the correction in gangway. Peter Horn User talk 15:56, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Before making accusations like this, you might want to review what sort of entries are appropriate for inclusion at WP:DAB and WP:MOSDAB. older ≠ wiser 06:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa. Never the less those disputed entries and gangway (locomotive) are no more and no less relevant or irrelevant (note worthy or not note worthy) than the article running board. Peter Horn User talk 13:19, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what your point is. Running board is not listed at gangway, nor should it be so far as I can tell by the current article. The purpose of disambiguation pages is to direct readers to pages with ambiguous titles (or to other articles with relevant content on a subject that is ambiguous). As such, an entry without any blue link has no purpose for disambiguation. Similarly, disambiguation pages should not include information that is not supported in other articles (preferably with verifiable references). So entries where the linked article do not even so much as mention the ambiguous term should not be included. older ≠ wiser 13:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Permit me to suggest that you type in "gangway" and in turn "gangways" into "Search", it will show the various usages in different articles. matters are not that simple. Peter Horn User talk 13:44, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, and if there is encyclopedic treatment of the term, that can certainly be included on a dab page. But bare mentions that are no more than a usage of a term in a particular context seem to be dictionary definitions rather than encyclopedic subjects. There are many terms used in wikipedia articles that do not have articles for all the particular meanings and disambiguation pages generally do not duplicate content more appropriate for wiktionary. older ≠ wiser 13:51, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * But then some people may start a search by using a term with with they are familiar or are used to and then not find that which they are looking for. Peter Horn User talk 15:59, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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Railroad car
I thought you may be able to help me. I am not a Wikipedia editor, but saw what I believe is an error. I was wondering if you could implement tis change for me. On page: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_car", the first line includes the line, "...also known as a bogie in Indian English,[1]" I believe (99% confident) that the source is in error and have written them an email letting them know. The WP page should not have this line and should not cite this incorrect source. Thanks in advance for your help.

The letter I sent is as follows: - From: Fetty, Mark Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:04 PM To: 'eltdict.help@oup.com' Subject: Error? - bogie - Definition and pronunciation | Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

To the editor(s) of the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary. I believe your definition, below, is erroneous. Page = http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/bogie Definition for: bogie – #2 (Indian English) – a railway carriage/railroad car I have been dealing with people from India who are directly associated with their railroads for over 20 years and have never heard this term used this way. What is referred to in the US as a rail car (Wikipedia = railroad car) is called a “wagon” by the Indian Railways. Like in other parts of the world, their “bogie” is the same as your #1 definition (usually referred to as a rail car “truck” in the US). This is supported by a 2007 tender my company received for: DEVELOPMENT OF HEAVY HAUL TRACK FRIENDLY BOGIES FOR BROAD GAUGE (1676 mm) WAGONS The tender was issued by the: WAGON DIRECTORATE RESEARCH DESIGNS AND STANDARDS ORGANISATION (“RDSO”) MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (Indian Railways) LUCKNOW-226011 I urge you to check your source. I can provide you with contacts in India if necessary.

Mark Fetty Principal Product Development Engineer Amsted Rail Company, Inc. – BRENCO® Bearings – 207.59.191.131 (talk) 19:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I need to study this and I'm about to leave on a trip tomorrow morning (Wednesday) I'll attend to this later. Feel free to open a personal user page and make the needed corrections yourself. Peter Horn User talk 23:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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Concarril listed at Redirects for discussion
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Concarril
Sorry, but this is not the proper way to deal with an article (on a notable subject) that does not exist on English Wikipedia but (sort of) does in an other-language version of Wikipedia. In fact, I don't think redirects to pages in a different-language version of Wikipedia are even supposed to exist (and this is the first example I have ever come across), but I didn't change it myself, because I couldn't find any clear guidance on this point; however, I see that someone else changed it today to a "soft redirect", which does suggest your method was erred. I assume your action was done in good faith, but the redirect never should have been created in the first place. The proper method is to use Template:Ill (Ill = interlanguage link). Now that "Concarril" technically exists on English Wikipedia, but with no content, that template cannot carry out its intended function, but if someone deletes the Concarril redirect it would work (but I'm not an administrator, or else I might delete it). For Concarril, you should have replaced "Concarril" (on first occurrence) in each article in which it appeared with. That would have kept Concarril a redlink – correctly indicating that no article on it exists in [English] Wikipedia – but would add a visible link to the Spanish version in parentheses immediately after it. The only reason I had not already done that myself is that Spanish Wikipedia also has no article on Concarril, only a section within the Bombardier article, but "Concarril" does exist as a proper redirect in Spanish Wikipedia, so the template I mentioned still would have worked, using just "Concarril" in it. Your edit came up in my watchlist, because creating a Concarril article has been on my to-do list for awhile, but I haven't found the time. It may be several months before I get to it. I don't want to just translate the Spanish es:Bombardier Transportation México article, because it appears to cite very few good sources (and no English ones), and only one of its references is actually about Concarril. My intention was to write a [brief] article only about Concarril, which would end with its sale to Bombardier and not include content from after that, especially since part of the company was sold a few years later to Greenbrier, who resurrected (or simply continued use of?) the name Concarril—and continues doing business today as "Gunderson Concarril". The need for additional research of that part – which doesn't interest me, since my interest is mainly in rail transit – is one reason I never got around to writing an article. In any case, please use Template:Ill in such cases in the future, which in this instance would have accomplished the exact same thing you intended (pointing people to the Spanish Bombardier article) while leaving a clear indication (in the form of a red link) that no article about Concarril exists on Wikipedia, which is preferred over a blue link in such cases. SJ Morg (talk) 18:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Concarril


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Rail gauge names
Peter Horn, about RailGauge names. I'd like to read your opinion on this proposal (or your criticism). When the proposal is OK, I'll ask it to be put into the live template. -DePiep (talk) 10:10, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I have posted fourteen proposals at RailGauge. I 'd like to read your comment on these. Now my way of writing might be less clear (Dutch would be easier ;-) ), and the list is technical, not verbose. If you would like more or different explanations, that can be done. Just ask, please. -DePiep (talk) 20:40, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks OK, but see my remarks at fourteen proposals. Peter Horn User talk 22:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Please do not squeeze in undiscussed things like . I have been doing a lot of work to get my proposals right & well based. I assume you are serious, so. -DePiep (talk) 00:40, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa, I created an unnecessary duplication. Peter Horn User talk 00:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I think this is more like you (=like you are). I am still interested in what you write. -DePiep (talk) 00:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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Red de Ferrocarril Industrial de Rio Turbio redir?
Is this really the same railway as La Trochita?

See also es:Ramal Ferro Industrial de Río Turbio  Andy Dingley (talk) 00:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Correction made, a proper translation can come later. Peter Horn User talk 19:56, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Appenzeller Bahnen


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Redirects to foreign-language versions of Wikipedia
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 * Until such day that Fulcrum has its own page this may be the only option except linking it to the wiktionary. Peter Horn User talk 21:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK: fulcrum Peter Horn User talk 00:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Nameplate
Hi, please don't link nameplate to Builder's plate as you did and. They are not the same thing at all: the builder's plate is fitted by the manufacturer, and gives the manufacturer's name, and usually also the year of manufacture and serial number - they're roughly equivalent to the VIN Plate of a motor vehicle; on the other hand, a nameplate shows the locomotives individual name, and is normally bestowed by the railway which owns the loco - it's a form of personalisation. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * In that case name plate won't work either. unless this particular aspect is treated in that article. Peter Horn User talk 01:05, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Nameplate would have worked, except that I see which is wrong for the same reasons. Mostly they were separate; here, the builder's plate is above the nameplate; here, the nameplate is above. Nameplates which were also builder's plates did exist: here is an example from the LNWR which has the name (Hardwicke) in the middle, flanked by the builder's details ("L&NWRCo Crewe Works Augt 1873"); and here is an example from the GWR which shows the name (Laira) at the top, the locomotive number (3338) in the middle, and the manufacturer's details at the bottom (1749 being the serial number, 1900 the year of construction). Such combined plates were comparatively rare (the GWR only fitted them between 1899 and 1901), since they had disadvantages: if the name (or number in the case of the GWR example) was to be transferred to another locomotive, new plates would need to be cast, since the builder's details would no longer be valid; similarly, if it was necessary to alter the name (or number), the new plates would need to have the builders details carefully copied from the old. In December 1912, the GWR renumbered several hundred locomotives, including no. 3338 (which became no. 3326 and retained the name Laira - the number 3338 was transferred to another 1900-built loco, serial no. 1761, named Swift, erstwhile no. 3350); and when so doing, cast three separate pairs of plates, just in case a further renumbering (or renaming) was required. -- Red rose64 (talk) 07:41, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Similarly, diesel-hydraulic locomotives don't use a Hydraulic drive system. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:06, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * So then, what about Torque converter or Hydraulic?? Peter Horn User talk 01:05, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Or what about Hydraulic? Peter Horn User talk 01:32, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Torque converter is a reasonable start.
 * Locomotives, except some small permanent way maintenance vehicles, don't use hydrostatic transmissions, which are what is implied by the hydraulic drive system article (i.e. pump and motor are separated). Instead they use a single transmission (dual engined locomotives have two) of torque converter(s) and a mechanical gearbox, with cardan shafts to the bogies or drive axles. There's actually very little difference between a diesel-mechanical transmission and a diesel-hydraulic and it's hard to give a simple, unambiguous definition to separate the two. In general, mechanical transmissions use multiple mechanical ratios in the gearbox and a simple fluid coupling to act as the clutch – although many now use torque converters, especially lighter transmissions for railcars and multiple units. As the fluid coupling is only slipping to allow gearchanging, this inefficiency isn't a major issue. Hydraulic transmissions use torque converters and rely on these to match engine and final drive speeds, so they have to offer efficient speed matching and torque conversion. Some hydraulic transmissions use few converters - some just one, with a mechanical gearbox – others use several converters (with clutches), effectively a separate converter for each "ratio", so as to permit use of a narrower, thus more efficient, speed range for the converter. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:47, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hydraulic transmissions in Diesel locomotives always involve one or more torque converters. These multiply torque whilst dividing speed (or vice versa), by the use of shaped blades on the impeller and turbine, also shaped guide vanes within the fixed casing. They may have several sections of different torque ratio, eliminating the need for a mechanical gearbox; or one section with a fixed ratio and a mechanical gearbox (often epicyclic) in addition, to provide the ratio changes.
 * Mechanical transmissions use fluid couplings; these resemble torque converters, but have a fixed 1:1 ratio, which means that they require a mechanical gearbox in addition. They are closely related to the automatic transmission in a motor car. -- Red rose64 (talk) 07:41, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks fot the clarification. Hydraulic it will be.I shall make the corrections if someone has not already done them. Peter Horn User talk 02:43, 21 April 2013 (UTC)