User talk:Peter I. Vardy/Archive 26

Skutterskelfe Hall
Good morning Peter, and a belated happy New Year to you. Delighted to see the lists continue to progress. I've been adding some photos to List of work on castles and country houses by Anthony Salvin and got a bit tangled up with Butler's Pantry, Rosedene, and Briardene, Skutterskelfe Hall. There are a number of confusing features:


 * It is now called Rudby Hall, mentioned here, Hutton Rudby;
 * However, it is referenced as Skutterskelfe Hall here, Skutterskelfe;
 * At the time of the EH listing,, it appears to have been split into separate houses/apartments/offices called The Butler's Pantry, Rosedeane, Briardene and Skutterskelfe Hall;
 * It now appears to be a single dwelling again, ? I think Castle Howard might dispute Rudby's claim to be Yorkshire's finest stately home!

So, the bottom line, assuming they are the same place, would you have any concerns if I renamed the entry Rudby Hall in the List of Salvin Works? I'd then tweak the Hutton Rudby and Skutterskelfe articles to reflect this, and probably end up creating an article on the hall. This, Grade II* listed buildings in Hambleton, which I think is one of Nev1's, would also need tweaking. We appear to have one poor photo. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 11:42, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, good to hear from you. I have absolutely no problem with your changing the name in the list.  It is clear from the hall's website that the name has been changed, and this is the name on the OS map.
 * I spend much of my time on the NHLE website, and it is full of problems, one of which is failure to keep up with name changes, (especially pubs!). Every week I send two reports to HE, one to minor amendments, with typos and smaller errors, and one to the person dealing with maps, for problems such as markers on the wrong building, demolished buildings that are still listed, etc.  Good luck with the article.  --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon
Hi, planning on running this in March, if we can reach the target of 1000 destubs it'll boost the challenge to over half the way there! You'll have noticed that generally very few people work on destubbing articles, so a much needed mechanism, think of it as a mechanism rather than a "contest". You're doing fantastic work building the listed building lists, don't want to disrupt that, but if you feel like taking a month off and fleshing out some of our listed building stubs you're most welcome!♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:07, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I'll keep pressing on. Staffordshire nearly done; then on to West Yorkshire. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:47, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Lists
Hi, I don't know if you're much of a photographer, but Wikimedia UK I'm sure would offer grants for visiting areas of the UK and taking photographs to go with your lists if you were interested. Wouldn't cost you anything and you'd get to visit these places at the same time! One like Listed buildings in Quarnford could really do with more photos. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:02, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks; as before really. I'm not keen on a lot of travelling, I have taken photos of most of the local LBs, and I hope that people living nearer can fill some gaps.  Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:18, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Gerda. Is it really 8 years? Time flies! Peter

Mungrisdale boundary stone
Impressively quick update to the Listed buildings in Mungrisdale article. It was me that nominated the new boundary stone for listing (after coming across it on a walk and wondering why it wasn't listed like the others in the area), and I was only notified by English Heritage a couple of days ago that my proposal had been accepted! Out of interest, how did you know it had been added to the list – is there a way to get updates, or a webpage that shows new listings? Dave.Dunford (talk) 19:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Congratulations for spotting the boundary stone and getting it listed. If you go to the Advanced Search page on the Historic England website, scroll down to Designation Date and fill in the dates that interest you (or elsewhere the parishes, etc).  I do this every week, and update the lists I have created with any newly listed building.  Despite trying, I have not found any other way of being informed about new listings - you just have to look for them (not very efficient).  Best wishes, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:59, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

TFL notification
Hi, Peter. I'm just posting to let you know that List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in the English Midlands – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for June 22. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:28, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks - it's sometime since I created this. Anyway I've managed to fill in all the missing photos, so it looks (and is) a bit better. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gerda. Time continues to fly! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

List of works by Thomas Taylor
Hello, wondered if you could have a look at List of works by Thomas Taylor that has an error for as there is no long reference as target for the link. Could you supply the missing reference? Thanks. Keith D (talk) 18:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. Sorry about the omission. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:29, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Just trying to tidy-up the new error cats on the Yorkshire articles. Keith D (talk) 12:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Stretton, Cheshire?
Hi Peter. I was just adding some listed building photos from a walk today in Coddington and Barton, Cheshire, and adding (as I customarily do) links to adjoining parishes in the "See also" sections of the two parishes I visited. I couldn't find an article for Listed buildings in Stretton, Cheshire (which would include Stretton Hall, Stretton Lower Hall, Stretton Old Hall and Stretton Watermill, but isn't linked from any of those buildings' articles). Have I missed it, or is it a deliberate omission or an oversight? Enjoyed my walk today but irritatingly missed two easily gettable LBs in Barton that would have completed the parish. Dave.Dunford (talk) 21:02, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The reason is - I missed it. It's a long time since I did the LBs in Cheshire, and I don't know how I found the list of parishes then.  I will start a list today, which will be short and interesting (better than some of the Yorkshire ones on which I have been recently working!) and as you say it includes some interesting LBs; in fact I once organised a group trip to the windmill.  I appreciate the photos you add to the existing lists - keep it up please.  I will include what pics I can find in the Stretton list, but please fill any gaps and make any improvements. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:24, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I suspected it wasn't deliberate – easily done. I enjoy my LB-bagging and am always pleased to find that there's a Wikipedia home for them (as well as "Enriching the List" on the Historic England site) – so I'll return the thanks for the amazing amount of time you must have dedicated to putting this "infrastructure" in place. Now if you could see your way to doing Derbyshire... :) Dave.Dunford (talk) 09:35, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. Listed buildings in Stretton, Cheshire West and Chester completed; I rather enjoyed doing it.  A pleasant change from the rather boring stone buildings in West Yorkshire with stone slate roofs and rows of mullioned windows.  I had thought of doing Derbyshire, but someone else had expressed an interest in doing it and I did not wish to get in their way.  As I had the relevant Pevsners, I started on Yorkshire; it could take a long time!  By the way the long title is because there is another Stretton in Cheshire; Listed buildings in Stretton, Warrington. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:06, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Yorkshire
As a Yorkshire resident, I'm really enjoying your work on the listed buildings of the county! I'm sorry to read above that some of it is a bit dull, but once you make it over near York there are no end of amazing structures. I put together lists of the listed buildings in Sheffield some time ago - we have photos now of the large majority - but your approach is definitely superior, so please feel free to modify and improve the information on that area if you wish. Warofdreams talk 10:44, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your message; it's good to know that people notice what one is doing. It will be some time before I get to York.  I know the city and that the list will be interesting - but rather complicated.  But I have taken the liberty of adding the lists of listed buildings in Sheffield to Listed buildings in England.  Best wishes. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:16, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Friended of Friendless Churches
Hi Peter - hope you’re keeping well in these strange times. If you revisit old work, I’d be interested in your views on a discussion on the Talkpage of Friends of Friendless Churches. KJP1 (talk) 14:52, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Church of St Nicholas at Saintbury & List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in the English Midlands
Hi Peter, I'm just looking at drafting an article on the Church of St Nicholas at Saintbury & one of the sources from CCT suggests it should be included in List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in the English Midlands but it doesn't appear to be, Is this because it has come under CCT since you did these lists or was it left out deliberately?&mdash; Rod talk 14:37, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It must have been acquired by the CCT since I initially compiled the list.  I kept an eye on this and the sister lists for a while, but then moved on and neglected them.  Please feel free to add it to the list (and any more you come across). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:47, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Church of St Nicholas, Saintbury now added (hopefully folowing your formatting of entries).&mdash; Rod talk 16:54, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks also to you. I have made some little tweaks.  As it happens, I visited this church many years ago, taken by my late father-in-law, who lived nearby.  The steeple is certainly an impressive landmark. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:36, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Stokes Cottage, Swanwick Green (Norbury, Cheshire)
Hi Peter. I've been plodding through old photos looking for listed buildings and found this of Stokes Cottage, Swanwick Green from 2009; rather a nice building. I've added it to Listed buildings in Norbury, Cheshire but thought I'd check that it's not included elsewhere – I can't remember you missing any entries in the past. Dave.Dunford (talk) 16:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dave, for adding that. I fear that there will be more missing listed buildings "out there."  Indeed, I missed a complete parish, Listed buildings in Stretton, Cheshire West and Chester until it was spotted by another editor.  It has never been easy to find all the listed buildings in a county, and then to divide them into separate lists that are not too large.  Originally, and when doing Cheshire, I used the NHLE website.  This is not the best website in the world, with multiple errors, and it is not easy to search.  I then went to what is now Historic England for help, and they very kindly supplied me with spreadsheets for a full county.  That was fine for a county like Shropshire, which is completely parished.  But now I am in Yorkshire, where most boroughs are a mixture of parished and unparished areas.  So I am currently using British Listed Buildings, which is not ideal, but does at least divide the boroughs into parishes and electoral wards, which gives me a chance, using a bit of discretion, to make lists of a reasonable size.  Many thanks to you for the improvements you have been making to the Cheshire lists. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:44, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, for the excellent photograph -- I've added it to the Norbury, Cheshire article as well. Now scratching my head to work out exactly where it is; used to live fairly close to here, but my memory is going. And as ever none of this would be possible without your structural work on the listed building lists, Peter. They are invaluable. Cheers, and happy new year, Espresso Addict (talk) 04:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Espresso Addict, for your comments, which are much appreciated. Working on the lists is a useful (and enjoyable) occupation during lockdown - or any other time. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks both. It's useful to know a bit more about your methodology, Peter (it was me that noticed Stretton was missing, incidentally, when I found a Cheshire picture without a home). Now that I know that your process is somewhat manual I'll look out for any anomalies and fix them as I come across them. I'd echo your words: tracking down listed buildings (and, when it was possible, getting out and photographing them) has been a valuable lockdown distraction. I take it you're both aware of this page, incidentally? It's mainly about associating photos with Wikidata and it's not 100% accurate (is anything) but I've found it useful. Stay safe, both. Dave.Dunford (talk) 09:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Bit stuck here, unfortunately -- having moved to Middle of Nowhere, Scotland, all the LBs within reach belong to people we know, and whom my OH is keen not to offend by my writing articles about their properties. I have yet to get into writing on Scottish listed buildings; all the Scottish lists seem to have been bot-created with those ugly missing image logos, lots of errors and no description field at all. It's very offputting, and has certainly underlined how good Peter's version is (and other English ones compiled in a similar style). Must be more enthusiastic, I have sources, could easily pick a building that isn't anywhere near here and write about it... Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 12:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Featured topic description
Hi Peter, I hope this note finds you well. I am trying to standardize some of the Featured topics, by getting them all topic descriptions, akin to the one for 1880 United States presidential election. As the nominator and main contributor, I'm wondering if you would be willing to write something short for Featured topics/John Douglas? It doesn't need to be anything long or referenced, as the example above shows, so hopefully this wouldn't be too big of a hassle. Regards - Aza24 (talk) 04:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've had a go. Is this the sort of thing required? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That's perfect, thank you! At the moment it's in the "Recommendations" of WP:WIAFT – the reason I'm bugging people about them is since we plan to (hopefully) start running some on the mainpage this year, so having them in advanced is ideal (especially since some do and some don't). Though, I'm planning to initiate a discussion to make them part of the formal criteria at some point. Best - Aza24 (talk) 04:47, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Re-using your text
Hallo, I was surprised to find that Abbot Hall Art Gallery had no content about the building, beyond the statement that it is grade I listed (not even a link to the NHLE at that point), so I remedied this by copying your description from Listed buildings in Kendal, with proper acknowledgement on both articles' talk pages, and copying your two references. Thanks for all your work there.

You'll probably be alerted by having the talk page of the list on your watchlist, but I thought I'd drop you a note about it too. Thanks for all your efforts - I just tweak things around the edges in a fairly random way myself, this particular stream of edits having started by hearing a talk which mentioned the closure of Newton Rigg College (which at that point only had a single-sentence mention in Askham Bryan College, not good enough for a college founded in 1896 and going strong until recently), when I noticed that one of the leading local businessmen associated with its founding, Gilbert Gilkes, didn't have a mention, so have now created Gilbert Gilkes & Gordon, one of whose early turbines is in the collection of Lakeland Arts who are currently redeveloping Abbot Hall... and so we go. Nearly lunchtime now, must log out and get on with Real Life. Happy Editing, stay safe. Pam D  12:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, Pam. Good to hear from you.  Delighted you were able to use some of my text.  Keep up the good work of your editing.  Best wishes, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Is it really?! The years fly by.  Thanks, Gerda. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:03, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

List problem
Hello Peter, thanks for the Listed buildings in Leeds (City and Hunslet Ward - northern area), but there appears to be a problem with a couple of entries. 1313186 is in the refs but nothing links to it, while 1255902 has a short ref but no full ref to link to. Could you have a look? Many thanks. Keith D (talk) 12:27, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting those. The two lists were split from one longer list at the last moment.  1313186 resulted from this; it was a ref I had failed to move from one list to another.  The other was an aberration (I may have cut it rather than copied it).  Both are fixed.  There may be more - I should not be surprised - let me know if/when you find them. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I came also to ask about your new lists - why use the old City and Hunslet ward (and arbitrarily subdivide it) rather than a current ward? Rcsprinter123  (natter)  12:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I wondered how long it would be before someone asked that question! The problem is that the counties and boroughs have to be split one way or another to make lists of a manageable size. Where areas are parished, it is relatively easy just to prepare a list for each parish.  But the City of Leeds borough is partly parished and partly unparished.  So how do you divide the unparished parts of the borough into lists?  The solution I made was to do it by electoral wards; but how can you find which listed buildings are in which ward?  Historic England gives details of parishes but not wards.  The only source I have found dividing boroughs into parishes and wards is British Listed Buildings.  This source still uses the City and Hunslet Ward as one of its divisions, and it has not brought the website up to date with the Hunslet and Riverside ward, and I have found nowhere to inform me of which listed buildings are in the ward and which are elsewhere. I want the lists to be inclusive and to record, identify, locate and describe every listed building, so I decided to go with what was available, and at least all the listed buildings are recorded.  If anyone knows which listed buildings are in the new ward, and which are not, and where they are, they are very welcome to reorganise the list.
 * I divided it into two lists because it was too big for the Historic England reference template to deal with so many items (for some reason it misbehaves after about 350 references). I have had to do this elsewhere - for example in central Huddersfield and in enormous parishes such as Ludlow.  Looking at the map, the only obvious way I could find to divide the list was by going north and south of the main railway; and, as it happens, the two areas are rather different from each other.
 * I agree that neither answer is perfectly satisfactory, but I did the best that I could do with the information and sources that I could find. Better than nothing?  Or can anyone improve on it? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:56, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It's easy enough to find out which ward any particular site falls into by looking at the Leeds Definitive Map and turning on the wards layer. So use the address from HE for it. But now you've already split it the way you have and it would take a while to look through all the buildings - though some, those with articles, are divided by ward at Listed buildings in Leeds. Rcsprinter123   (sing)  00:58, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rcsprinter123 for your comments. Listed buildings in Leeds lists only those LBs with articles; my intention is to be complete and inclusive.  For example, there is only one entry each for Calverley and Farsley and for Guiseley and Rawdon, whereas Listed buildings in Calverley and Farsley has 49 and Listed buildings in Guiseley and Rawdon has 57. I have had a look at the Leeds Definitive Map.  Yes, it does show the boundaries of the wards, but so far as I can see, it does not name them.  And it says in Listed buildings in Leeds that there are some 3,300 LBs in Leeds.  To look at each in turn, take its address from HE, and identify its ward, is not "easy enough" for me to do.  Sorry.  Until there is a convenient way of showing which LB is in which ward, I will continue to do what I am doing in the way I am doing it.  Not perfect, but the best I can do, and better than nothing.  The next thing will be that the local authorities will change the ward boundaries again (as Cheshire have done with parish boundaries).  So what do we do then? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

New articles
I am, as always, impressed by your two new articles on the listed buildings in central Leeds, and agree that the railway line is a logical place to divide the ward. Once I'm regularly working from the office, I'll be in Leeds, and now know which listed buildings don't yet have photos! Warofdreams talk 18:28, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. It is good to learn that you and others actually see the lists, and comment on them.  Actually, compared with some places, I was able to find quite a high proportion of photos; more are always welcome. (Sometimes you think you are contributing into darkness.) --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Lancaster, Lancashire
Hi, Peter. For the past few weeks I've been adding photographs to this page, though with increasing difficulty, and today it's finally become impossible for me to get it to load with a new photo. I'll carry on trying, but I wonder if you'd consider splitting the page up? As an expatriate Lancastrian I feel rather invested in improving it as far as possible. --Antiquary (talk) 12:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)  And of course it loaded at the very next attempt! However, I have many more photos to add, increasing the size of the page every time, so the long-term problem remains. --Antiquary (talk) 12:46, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree it's a long list, and sorry to hear that you are having problems in adding photos. I have noticed that you are adding them, appreciate this, and should have thanked you sooner. Splitting lists is a nightmare, and often results in a number of errors.  I have found that the only reasonable way to split them is to do it geographically.  Looking at the distribution of LBs in Lancaster, this is not easy.  The only way I could suggest would be to create a list for the central area and one for the outer areas.  The former would be larger than the latter, but both lists would be smaller, and this may help your problem. Thoughts?  --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Central and outer sounds like an excellent solution to me, rather like Pevsner and his perambulations. I'm sure you're right in calling that task a nightmare, but I'd be very grateful if you took it on.  You're doing a stupendous job with all these lists. --Antiquary (talk) 18:33, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * List split. Perhaps you could check for any errors.  And I do hope that the splitting resolves your problem in uploading photos. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, excellent! I shall see if I can find anything to correct.  Thanks. --Antiquary (talk) 10:41, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well now, embarassingly, after all your work, it's becoming increasingly clear that my problems in getting the page to load are, in part or whole, on my side. I'm not able to get even the small Outer Lancaster page to load, nor can I upload photos at Commons.  I can only apologise and hope that at least your split will help someone else. --Antiquary (talk) 12:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the "confession". I had rather expected that your difficulty was not due to the size of the list.  Anyway, it made for a different sort of day from usual, and wasn't as bad as I expected. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:29, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * As my "penance" I've corrected a few mistakes, but one of them I think I must leave to you. In the Central article the entry for 93 King Street has a ref that leads to Historic England's page for 93 High Street.  Is 93 King Street a listed building at all?  I can't find that it is, but doubtless I'm wrong. --Antiquary (talk) 14:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Fascinating. Not my mistake, but that of Historic England.  If you look at the page, in the main title it says "High" but throughout the rest of the page it says "King", and the coords take you to King Street.  I have amended the error in the references, and informed HE of the error.  Well done in spotting it - I clearly missed it when I prepared the list. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 07:43, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Your comments
While I don't mind a discussion on my page like you did. I appreciate your clarity but the whole I've written lots of articles like these felt like a swipe at me for questioning the authenticity. I asked for clarity and you saying I am wrong and the other user was right wasn't the issue. But then his revert calling my revert inappropriate was offensive. He told me I was wrong to revert when you said yourself there be no leads for Huddersfield Bradford or Leeds listed buildings to give a backstory to the area in question. I am up for a discussion but the user spoke to me like I didn't know how to edit articles. And have no right to ask for authenticity or why it is relevant. RailwayJG (talk) 15:08, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply is on your talk page to keep the discussion in one place. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Padiham
Hi Peter, I hope you are well. Inspiring to see you are still powering on with the fantastic listed building lists. I still watch your talk page from years ago and the discussion about Lanacaster reminded me to share something with you. I expect you will notice I just replaced an image of a boundary marker in Listed buildings in Padiham. When I took the previous photo about five years ago I was immediately aware that the marker matched the county borough markers around Burnley. It did not look much like the other township marker in Padiham. I was convinced of an error in the EH database and aware that you had a contact to report this to. For all these years, each time I passed the marker, I thought I must message Peter about this. Then a few weeks ago I happened to walk past while the sun was setting through the trees behind. And I noticed for the first time another stone sitting just behind the wall (my camera is actually held against the wall to get the photo). All this time being mildly annoyed with myself for not completing a task, and it turns out I wrong to think it ever needed doing!

I also removed the entry for the National School as it was demolished a while back. Interestingly the shop next door was at the time occupied by the property business of Roger Frost, who writes about local history for the Burnley Express. I never could find anything published about the demolition which made me suspicious. The entry no longer appears on the HE list so I guess they noticed. Wikipedia is just going to have to take my word for it. All the best. TiB chat  21:44, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message, and thanks for keeping the list up to date. Cheers.  --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Morley, West Yorkshire
Hello Peter, there is a problem on Listed buildings in Morley, West Yorkshire. Short reference "Leach & Pevsner (2009)" does not point to a full reference. Though there is a "Harman & Pevsner (2017)" which does not appear to be used. Unsure which way to go here, can you have a look. Many thanks. Keith D (talk) 12:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Whoops, copied the wrong Pevsner - very careless. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.  Corrected.  Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:51, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Woolley, West Yorkshire
Hello Peter, Thanks for another list. There is a problem with ref 15 - could be just the long reference missing. Keith D (talk) 12:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Keith, for spotting this (I thought I had checked them all!), and also thanks for correcting the typo. Ref fixed.  West Yorkshire nearly finished. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:20, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Widnes
Hope all is well Peter! I will be in Widnes on Tuesday, and am hoping to get some pics of the newly listed Corporation Bus Depot. All being well, I will upload and link to the list at some point next week. On the Monday I might be able to get some Southport listed buildings as well, although I will mainly be concentrating on rushing around photographing churches! Cheers, Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:57, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Good to hear from you. If you haven't been to Widnes previously, don't expect too much from the mainly chemical-producing town.  But it's vastly improved in the 50+ years we have lived in the vicinity.  Southport is much more pleasant, of course.  I feel somewhat guilty that I haven't taken a photo of the bus depot myself (not a beautiful building), but we haven't been out and about much in the last 18 months.  Hope you enjoy your trip. Best wishes. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I managed some pictures of the bus depot, although it had started raining at that point (and soon became heavy enough for me to bail out and head home early!). Also lots of Southports the previous day.  I hope to start editing and uploading them in the next few days.  Cheers, Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!)  08:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Raining in Widnes!! I look forward to seeing the results.  Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:43, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Listed buildings in West Yorkshire
Congratulations on completing your excellent series on listed buildings in West Yorkshire! I've enjoyed seeing it take shape, particularly as I'm familiar with many of the places, while I've learned of some interesting buildings to visit elsewhere. I'm looking forward to seeing what your next project is! In recognition of your efforts, I feel this barnstar is in order. Warofdreams talk 15:34, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. It's been most interesting, and good fun, too. Now for South Yorkshire. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:41, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Fantastic, I know that county well so will be interested to see the articles, and if I find myself there some time it'll prompt me as to what would be useful to take photos of. Warofdreams talk 14:05, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Edisford Bridge
Hi again Peter, I recently created a short article on Edisford Bridge. During the process I noticed related errors in Listed buildings in Clitheroe and Listed buildings in Great Mitton, that seem to have been caused by deficiencies in the HE data. As you can see in my article, the bridge has 9 spans in total, with 4 in Clitheroe and 5 in Great Mitton. It is listed in two sections, but as neither HE entry mentions the other part of the bridge, I had to rely on an Engineering Timelines article (RS?). I can't find an online copy of Hartwell and Pevsner (I used it trusting that you got the cite correct), but surely they counted all the spans? I'm not certain of the optimal way to proceed? TiB chat  22:03, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I sympathise. I think you have to accept the Engineering Timelines as the most reliable source.  Pevsner says four arches, but only counts those over the water.  The HE website is, I am sorry to say, inaccurate in many of its accounts.  Every week I send them two reports, one to minor amendments with typos, changes of use, etc., and another to the map expert with more major errors, such as markers in the wrong place, listed buildings demolished but still listed, wrong numbers of storeys in a building, and more.  I think what you have done is fine - use the Engineering Timelines for the number of arches, and do not use the other sources for this.  Hope this is helpful.  --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:36, 4 October 2021 (UTC)