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Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (February 28)
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Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:33, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Peterye2005/sandbox


A tag has been placed on User:Peterye2005/sandbox, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:34, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (March 2)
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/wiae  /tlk  03:22, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Reply
Hi, thanks for message. Your article because
 * it did not provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the company, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the company claims or interviewing its management. You gave no references at all
 * it was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. You talk only about the services you claim to provide, but to show notability you need hard verifiable facts such as funding or expenditure. You don't even say where you are based, although the context suggests it's Canada
 * the article was created in a single edit without wikilinks or references, and looks as if was copied from an unknown and possibly copyrighted source. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.


 * Your edits indicate that you have an obvious conflict of interest when it comes to editing articles about this subject. Thank you for declaring your interest. If, after reading the information about notability linked above, you still believe that your organisation is notable enough for a Wikipedia article (and that there is significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources), you could, if you wish, post a request at Requested articles for the article to be created. See also Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest.

I strongly suggest that you take an off-line copy of your sandbox. If I had found it before I saw your message I would have deleted it on sight, and other admins may do just that. You can always recreate an article unless it's protected, but you must follow the guidelines above, and you must declare any COI as required above Jimfbleak - talk to me?  07:36, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The nature of your edits eg "Who we support" gives the impression you have a financial stake in promoting this topic. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization, directly or indirectly, to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not. Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly. Regardless, if you are paid directly or indirectly by the company you are writing about, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:    . If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message.


 * Note: Peterye2005 replied to Jimfbleak here. Jytdog (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Peterye2005, I work on conflict of interest and advocacy issues here in Wikipedia. You stated on Jimfbleak's Talk page, that you are not being paid by Altus.  Would you please describe your connection to Altus?  It is very, very obvious that some connection exists. Please reply here, just below this, so the discussion stays in one place.  I will see it.  Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 02:05, 7 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi! This is Peterye2005. Thank you for the message. I am replying below your message as you told me to. I do have some connection with Aptus Treatment Centre. I have recently been part of a fundraising event for Aptus. We are donating the money to Aptus' Fundraising office. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterye2005  (talk • contribs) 23:53, 10 March 2016  (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for replying! ummm, i did ask you to reply here. :)   But I am glad you did - it just makes things easier to have the conversation in one place.  Thanks too for disclosing your connection with Aptus.  Would you please clarify - when you said you were "part of" a fund raising event -- did you actually help plan it and carry it out, or did you just participate in whatever it was?  Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 00:07, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi! This is Peterye2005. I actually helped plan out the event with some other people. We had to make and get all the things which we were selling, and we also had to get permission from Northern Karate Schools, the place where we hosted our fundraising event.


 * Thanks again for replying. OK, that is a level of involvement with this organization that in my view rises to create a conflict of interest in Wikipedia - a conflict between your devotion to Aptus and desire to promote that organization on the one hand, and on the other hand, your responsibility as a Wikipedia editor to create neutral, well-sourced content to benefit the public.   Do you see that?  Please let me know. Jytdog (talk) 17:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi! This is Peterye2005. Thank you for the message. I understand the conflict you are talking about. I am trying to promote Aptus, but I have the responsibility to create neutral, well-sourced content to benefit the public. I have a question. Am I allowed to submit a neutral, well-sourced article about Aptus for review? Thank you.
 * Great. So for starters, would you please add a disclosure of your COI to your Userpage?  Something very simple and direct, like "I have a conflict of interest with regard to Aptus Treatment Centre."  No links to it, just the simple statement of COI, so other editors are aware of it, and know that you are aware of it.  Once you do that, we can move on to addressing your question. Jytdog (talk) 20:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi! This is Peterye2005. I have already added exactly what you said to my userpage (I have a conflict of interest with regard to Aptus Treatment Centre.).

User page violation
Hi Peterye2005. The current contents of your Userpage (permalink) violate our Username policy - see WP:UP.

If you do not take down the promotional material I will nominate the page for speedy deletion. Please take care of that. You cannot use your userpage to promote anything. I am providing you with the formal warning.

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your user page may not meet Wikipedia's user page guideline. If you believe that your user page does not violate our guideline, please leave a note on this page. Alternatively you may add  to the top of the page in question and an administrator will delete it, or you can simply edit the page so that it meets Wikipedia's user page guideline. Thank you.

Jytdog (talk) 02:04, 7 March 2016 (UTC) Peterye2005 left this message on my Talk page - am copying it here to keep the discussion in one place Jytdog (talk) 17:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi! This is Peterye2005. Thank you for the message you left me. Can you please tell me which part of my user page I should edit or remove. Thank you! Peterye2005 (talk) 16:05, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply, Peterye. Please tell me, did you read WP:UP?  Please reply here - I am watching this page, and it keeps the page together.  Please also do reply to the thread above as well. Thanks.   Jytdog (talk) 17:28, 7 March 2016 (UTC)


 * , I've deleted the user page so the promo is lost from the history, and restored the acceptable part of the text. Peterye2005, like Jytdog, I don't think we have had full disclosure. It's clear that you have some connection, eg your "Who we support" graphic, and even if you are not paid you need to spell out your obvious COI Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:45, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi! This is Peterye2005. Thank you for the message. I am replying below your message as you told me to. I have already read WP:UP. It said that advertising or promotion of an individual, business, organization, group, or viewpoint unrelated to Wikipedia (such as commercial sites or referral links) is not permitted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterye2005 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 10 March 2016‎  (UTC)
 * Great, then it should have been clear to you, that the content on your Userpage promoting Aptus violated that policy. Jimfbleak already fixed it.   It is great that you are asking (we sometimes get new editors who refuse to listen at all!) but in general, please know that it is important for you to actually understand Wikipedia and its policies and guidelines if you want to edit and be part of the community.  People will say things like - "your userpage is not OK er WP:UP",  and we expect you to read what is at that link and learn, and if you don't understand, ask something specific.  You will see what i mean, the longer you stick around.  Thanks again. Jytdog (talk) 00:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

OK, how this place works, and how to create an article
OK, so I would like to get you oriented to how Wikipedia works, and give you some advice about creating the article. There are some non-intuitive things about editing here, that I can zip through ~pretty~ quickly....

The first, is that our mission is to produce articles that provide readers with accepted knowledge, and to do that as a community that anyone can be a part of. That's the mission. As you can imagine, if this place had no norms, it would be a Mad Max kind of world interpersonally, and content would be a slag heap (the quality is really bad in parts, despite our best efforts). But over the past 15 years the community has developed a whole slew of norms, via loads of discussion. One of the first, is that we decide things by consensus. That decision itself, is recorded here: WP:CONSENSUS. (there is a whole forest of things, in "Wikipedia space" - pages in Wikipedia that start with " Wikipedia: AAAA" or for short, " WP: AAAA". WP:CONSENSUS is different from Consensus.  See?   And when we decide things by consensus, that is not just local, but includes meta-discussions that have happened in the past.  Those are the norms.  We call them policies and guidelines.   There are policies and guidelines that govern content, and separate ones that govern behavior.    Here is very quick rundown:
 * WP:NOT (what WP is, and is not -- this is where you'll find the "accepted knowledge" thing)
 * WP:OR - no original research is allowed here, instead
 * WP:VERIFY - everything has to be cited to a reliable source (so everything in WP comes down to the sources you bring!)
 * WP:RS is the guideline defining what a "reliable source" is for general content and WP:MEDRS defines what reliable sourcing is for content about health
 * WP:NPOV and the content that gets written, needs to be "neutral" (as we define that here, which doesn't mean what most folks think -- it doesn't mean "fair and balanced" - it means that the language has to be neutral, and that topics in a given article are given appropriate "weight" (space and emphasis). An article about a drug that was 90% about side effects, would give what we call "undue weight" to the side effects.  We determine weight by seeing what the reliable sources say - we follow them in this too.  So again, you can see how everything comes down to references.
 * WP:BLP - this is a policy specifically about articles about living people. We are very careful about these articles (which means enforcing the policies and guidelines above rigorously), since issues of legal liability can arise for WP, and people have very strong feelings about other people, and about public descriptions of themselves.
 * WP:NOTABILITY - this is a policy that defines whether or not an article about X, should exist. What this comes down to is defined in WP:Golden rule - which is basically, are there enough independent sources about X, with which to build a decent article.  I reckon this will be of special interest to you.

In terms of behavior, the key norms are: If you can get all that (the content and behavior policies and guidelines) under your belt, you will become truly "clueful", as we say. If that is where you want to go, of course. I know that was a lot of information, but hopefully it is digestable enough.
 * WP:CONSENSUS - already discussed
 * WP:CIVIL - basically, be nice.  This is not about being nicey nice, it is really about not being a jerk and having that get in the way of getting things done.  We want to get things done here - get content written and maintained and not get hung up on interpersonal disputes.  So just try to avoid doing things that create unproductive friction.
 * WP:AGF - assume good faith about other editors. Try to focus on content, not contributor.  Don't personalize it when content disputes arise.  (the anonymity here can breed all kinds of paranoia)
 * WP:HARASSMENT - really, don't be a jerk and follow people around, bothering them. And do not try to figure out who people are in the real world.  Privacy is strictly protected by the WP:OUTING part of this policy.
 * WP:DR - if you get into an argument with someone. Try to work it.  If you cannot, then use one of the methods here to get wider input.
 * WP:TPG - this is about how to talk to other editors on Talk pages, like this one, or the one in the article about you: Talk:YYY

SO... Anytime you want to create an article, here is what to do. There you go! Let me know if you have questions about any of that... Jytdog (talk) 21:12, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) look for independent sources that comply with WP:MEDRS for anything related to health, and WP:RS for everything else, that give serious discussion to the topic, not just passing mentions.   Start with great sources.
 * 2) Look at the sources you found, and see if you have enough per WP:Golden rule to even go forward.  If you don't, you can stop right there.
 * 3) Read the sources you found, and identify the main and minor themes to guide you with regard to WP:WEIGHT - be wary of distortions in weight due to WP:RECENTISM
 * 4) Go look at manual of style guideline created by the relevant WikiProject, to guide the sectioning and other style matters (you can look at articles on similar topics but be ginger b/c WP has lots of bad content)  - create an outline. (For Aptus, the relevant project is WP:WikiProject Hospitals)
 * 5) Create the article in draft space - here DRAFT:Aptus Treatment Centre.   Create the talk page, and disclose your COI there.    Let me know when you do this, and I can help set up the draft article.
 * 6) Start writing the body, based only what is in the sources you have, and source each sentence as you go.
 * 7) Make sure you write in neutral language.
 * 8) When you are done, write the LEAD, infobox, EL's etc.
 * 9) The completed work should have nothing unsourced (because the sources drove everything you wrote, not prior knowledge or personal experiences or what the client wanted; there is no original research nor WP:PROMO in it.
 * 10) Submit your article for review via the WP:AFC process (I will help you get a header on the article through which you can do that).  You will get responses from reviewers, and you can work with them to do whatever is needed to get the article ready to be published.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Eric Zweig (June 20)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Retro Run: Car Racing (June 21)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Retro Run: Car Racing (June 24)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sam Sailor was:

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== Your submission at Articles for creation: Hello World! Computer Programming for Kids and Other Beginners (August 5) ==  Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by MatthewVanitas was:

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