User talk:Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy)/Archive 4

Aarón Piña Mora
Sorry to spoil your reverie, however regarding your edit to the above article: You don't consider Piña a muralist? I'm afraid that I don't understand. Wishing you the best of the day,--Lyricmac (talk) 04:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course he is a muralist. He is also from Mexico, and thus belongs in Category:Mexican muralists, which is a subcategory of Category:Muralists. Should every painter who ever lived be categorized under Category:Painters? No, that would be unmanageable. Read WP:SUBCAT. Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk) 01:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Zoomify

 * Well, I can't really claim any credit. It was Olpl who showed me how to use it in the first place. Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk) 22:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Pedestal Table in the Studio.jpg
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Pedestal Table in the Studio.jpg, has been listed at Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I know you're not the uploader, but since you changed the licensing tag to, I would like to get your comments. Thanks! —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi LP, I just noticed this: perhaps you might be able to comment there, I'm thinking it might be usable under fair use...Modernist (talk) 17:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment. —Bkell (talk) 20:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Photos
I like the Ashtabula County township building photos; thanks! Do you know if you could get pictures of Ashtabula County buildings listed on the National Register of Historic Places? Nyttend (talk) 02:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I just left the area- I was only there for a few days to attend a family member's funeral. I'll be back there on business in late July, however, and at that time I intend to photograph as many town halls as I can. I might as well do historic buildings too while I'm at it! Looking at the list I think I have a picture of Mother of Sorrows Church that I took while I was there- that I can upload, for starters. One thing I'm curious about: why did you relabel them "government building" or just "township building" when the signs themselves refer to them as the town hall? A government building could be a post office or a fire dept. Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk) 03:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And here it is: File:Mother of Sorrows Ashtabula.jpg. Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk) 03:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors Association
The Established editors association will be a kind of union of who have made substantial and enduring contributions to the encyclopedia for a period of time (say, two years or more). The proposed articles of association are here - suggestions welcome.

If you wish to be elected, please notify me here. If you know of someone else who may be eligible, please nominate them here

Discussion is here.Peter Damian (talk) 19:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No thanks. I believe that you are well intentioned, but content editors come together because they are passionate about a common subject. I don't know how zou can preserve expertise from people wielding arbitrary power to mediate disputes over subjects they know nothing about. I do know that it isn't by making an association whose requirements for membership seem equally unrelated to specific academic expertise as institutions like adminship. Perhaps a group that coordinates content driven wiki-projects? But it isn't worth suggesting. Those who are interested in content go directlz to writing articles, and not arbitrating over content. Good luck to you. I'm leaving for Bamberg now. (can't find tilde on German kezboard!)

On William Blake
Thanks a lot for your comments. I'll be making more contributions on Blake and other poets and artists.--Scandza (talk) 23:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Étienne Dinet
Hello! Your submission of Étienne Dinet at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! NW ( Talk ) 23:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

An Island in the Moon
I added more to the article. I only added about 30% of the information I had. I have to head out so I cut it short. I will add more later. Are you going to list it at DYK? Ottava Rima (talk) 20:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You can list it now and I will just add more to it as it sits there waiting to be listed. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 03:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Retirement
I appreciate your message on my talk page. I also greatly appreciate your remembering the fact that I had welcomed you, something I had forgotten. Best of luck to you. ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 16:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Hemingway images
Thanks for the help with images. Let me know what happens on my talkpage. If the images are on Commons I can take if from there. Also, apparently the JFK Library has Hemingway images as well, some of which I think we're already using, but I may want a few more of those as well if we can use them. I'll have a look to see what's there. Thanks again. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 12:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have another question about images. I don't have an account on Commons and haven't ever uploaded, but I've found these images at the JFK Library are in the public domain. Would you have time to help upload some of them? If not, let me know, and I'll create a Commons account and learn how to do this (it's something I should learn anyway.) Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Here it is. You said photos, plural, but I only saw one on that page. No response from the Flickr user as of yet. For further photos I think it will be easier for both of us if you get yourself an account. Here are some pointers, I hope they're helpful..


 * You don't need to create an account on Commons; rather you can simply unify your account across all wikimedia projects. To start this process, follow this link and go through the easy steps there.


 * Once you have a commons account, you'll want to go to the old-fashioned upload page. Commons' new upload page provides all sorts of javascripted interfaces that supposedly make things easier, but actually make bulk uploads with cut and paste descriptions more difficult...


 * (I assume by now you've saved the image you want to upload to your computer) Now go to the file I uploaded, copy all of the text from there, delete the text under "Summary" on the "Upload" page, and paste the text you copied in place of it. Then replace the details (such as source links, description, date, etc) that are specific to the original file with the information pertaining to the file that you're uploading. Needless to say, make sure nothing's left of the info from the original file. Lastly, browse for the source file on your computer, change the destination name to something more descriptive, ignore the "category" and "license" boxes (they've been copied from the file I uploaded because they'll all be the same for the Kennedy Library) and hit upload. Done!

If you have any problems, just let me know. I'm usually glad to help but my school is just starting to get back into swing. I'm sure you understand. Cheers,  Litho  derm  03:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. There are other images I'll want from the JFK Library so I appreciate you walking me through the process. I'll add the one above, and then see how the article evolves before adding others. Understand about school starting and appreciate the time you've taken. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I was wondering if you'd have time to upload one more image for me? Here bottom row, second from the left w/ all the dead fish! If not, I understand. Haven't had time to unify my account because -- spending too much time researching / writing instead! Anyway, sorry to bother you, and fully understand if you're busy. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:24, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Here it is. He was certainly more successful than the Old Man...  Litho  derm  06:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Forgot to thank you before I log out for the night!! Yes, Hemingway himself was more successful with the marlin than the old man, but then that's the point of the book -- he feared old age and death (and not being able to catch marlin!). Anyway, thought it was a great image and I was too tired to try myself, so thanks. It looks good in the article. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:11, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response and advice
I appreciate the advice. By the way, though I only make periodic Wikipedia contributions, I HAVE started other pages in the past, including ones on the Surrealist publication Le Surrealisme au service de la revolution and on the Surrealist writer Georges Limbour. I've also contributed to numerous other articles on Surrealist writers, including Leiris, Desnos and Peret.

I'll look into the possibility of creating a page about Surrealist Theatre. Unfortunately, I foresee some problems here. There were only a handful of plays written by members of the Surrealist Movement. Many plays commonly referred to as "surrealist" (for example Witkiewicz, Beckett, etc.) were, in actuality, written by individuals who had nothing to do with the Surrealist group in Paris, but were simply influenced by Surrealism. Even within the Paris group there are many questions: For example, I consider Desnos's La Place de l'Etoile a genuine surrealist play. I would also put the works of Artaud and Vitrac in that same category. However, some may argue that the theatrical works of Artaud and Vitrac (as well as their formation of the Alfred Jarry Theatre) came after their expulsions from the Paris group, therefore putting their theatrical works in a slightly different category. Moreover, while Breton & Soupault wrote a play (If You Please), many may argue that this was more of a Dada play, created three or four years before Breton's Manifesto. Lorca's Once Five Years Pass is another case: I would probably consider it a Surrealist play. However, while Lorca was associated with Surrealism through his friendships with Bunuel & Dali, some may argue that he was never officially a member of the movement. So, as you can see, an article of this nature might invite great debate. After observing (and sometimes experiencing) the egos and edit wars involved here, I'm not sure I want to take on the potential aggravation. I'll think about it, though.

Thanks again for your suggestions.

Stanislaw Brecht Stanislaw brecht (talk) 04:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Just make sure you cite scholarly opinions when dealing with who considers what to be surrealist, rather than making your own decisions of that nature, which would be discouraged. Wikipedia can incorporate a variety of opinions about one subject, so long as they are substantiated; that is, the opinions of published scholars, rather than those of Wikipedia editors. The closest I've come to dealing with this issue is in dealing with William Blake. Is he a neoclassicist, a romantic, a "pre-romantic", or none of the above? Closer to your issue, however, I think it will be helpful in your article if you define surrealism as a characteristic trend in 20th century art rather than a movement per say- just as part of Picasso's output is vaguely defined as "surrealist". I think it can be pulled off if you clearly state the relationship of specific plays to the movement and cite heavily when defining something outside the distinct movement as surrealist. All you really want to avoid is an article like Surrealist music, where every other sentence is "citation needed". Good luck, and don't be afraid to solicit advice for the article (ie on the talk page of a WP:Wikiproject or via WP:Peer review)  Litho  derm  05:12, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Jacobus Mancadan
Thanks for that! I'm assuming you picked him up from Dutch Golden Age painting. Slive spells him "Mancaden" - in his index anyway - maybe just a typo as it is not in Getty, but I've done a redirect anyway. Johnbod (talk) 14:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. I've also translated it into German, which I hope to do more often.  Litho  derm  16:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Surrealist Theatre
I'll try to create an introductory article on Surrealist Theatre and send it to you for your approval and suggestions. I simply don't have the time to write a detailed article (there's an enormous amount of information that could result in a rather lengthy analysis), but I can certainly put together a basic (and brief) introduction. With time, perhaps more information can be added to it.

I'll write: 1. A brief intro. 2. A brief history, including the influences of Jarry, Roussel & Dada. 3. A brief section on Artaud & Vitrac. 4. Other plays that contain characteristics of Surrealism. 5. Lists of plays & theatre pieces by Surrealist writers. 6. Lists of plays & theatre pieces that feature characteristics commonly associated with Surrealism.

Here's a possible opening:

''Surrealist Theatre refers to a handful of theatrical plays and performances created by members of the Surrealist Movement. It also refers to any dramatic work or presentation that features characteristics commonly associated with Surrealism.

''Surrealism was a literary, artistic and philosophical movement that originated in Paris during the 1920s. Founded by Andre Breton, it's goal was the "Liberation of Man", with an emphasis on the exploration of dreams, the subconscious and the imagination.

If you feel I'm NOT on the right track, please let me know.

Again, my schedule is rather busy at the moment, but I'll try to work on it in my spare time.

Thanks for the input.

Stanislaw Brecht Stanislaw brecht (talk) 17:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry, I thought I replied to this last night, but for some reason it didn't save. I think you're on the right track. I really don't think this will be controversial, as there are plenty of academic sources about the subject, and there is already a category (Category:Surrealist plays) waiting for a main article... Yes, this looks like a good start, though I would keep summary of surrealism to a minimum. If influence upon the Theatre of the Absurd or any other later movements exist (I really don't know, as I tend to approach the movement from the visual arts only) I would certainly include that in a "Legacy" section. Also remember that the article doesn't have to spring into existence all at once; you can work on it in your user space (for details and how-to see WP:USERSUBPAGE) without fear of argument or deletion. Good luck,  Litho  derm  17:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Blake
I'm working on a 5x expansion for 11 of the prophetic book pages. When I get further along, I'll link you. I should have something by this weekend. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'll try to get all of the appropriate images up on commons, but my time will be limited by schoolwork. I'm home for the weekend (my birthday's the 19th), so all of my sources (Bloom's Biocritiques, Damon's Dictionary, Fearful Symmetry, Cambridge Companion, Witness Against the Beast, etc.) are at my apartment in another city. So I'll see what I can do. Do you know which 11, incidentally?  Litho  derm  22:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * . I'm using that to compile notes. I have most of it in a text file at the moment. I'll update that page later. I'm going to get all of the work there before I move it to the pages so that they all come together at once. I'd like to see Blake on the main page in a big way. Ottava Rima (talk) 04:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, I'm going to add info from the other books later tonight. If you want to work on them any or whatever, I'll add you to the nom. I'm not going to nom them until tomorrow nightish. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

German art
Many thanks for your help on this! Have you got a ref for all or part of this, which seems clearly true to me, & worth saying. I have some for Anglosphere neglect of earlier periods. Johnbod (talk) 22:18, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I really haven't read that anywhere before, so I can't say. Anglosphere neglect of earlier periods? What about Anglosphere neglect today? The Hunter, Jacobus, and Wheeler book is blatantly condescending toward the German expressionists: this review pretty much sums it up. I particularly choke on this bs every time I read it: "German artists, however, enjoyed a far less effective and moderating tradition of realism, and thus had little taste for pragmatism and logical analysis, processes inherited from the humanist enlightenment and firmly fixed as the solid underpinning of French artistic values". I'll be expanding the Post-WWII section, as soon as I finish setting up my family's near-infinite supply of Christmas decorations! (As much I hate to see it on the main page in this state)  Litho  derm  22:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ouch! This is referenced. On another point, did you see German art just before the Third Reich?  See the guys talk-page. A Guy Debord fan. Thanks for the continued help. Spanish art seems crying out for improvement also - after Christmas I think. All the best for which, Cheers Johnbod (talk) 12:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Holiday greetings
Glad you found a way to balance WP and school. I admire your contributions. Kafka Liz (talk) 18:58, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind wishes, and for the songs; they were actually perfect for my holiday. :) Best, Kafka Liz (talk) 11:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
Hi Litho, I hope this has been a successful year. Happy New Year and Merry Christmas.....All the best...Modernist (talk) 23:25, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

The Battle of Alexander at Issus
hey Lith, long time no talk. I'm not sure if you follow FAC, but the nom above could use a skilled VA etidor who reads and types German to help with sourching. Do you know any good VA German speaking editors? This is not a trap to root out the, well...you know...arty...proto...germans! Hope all is well otherwise...with study and such...things fine here again in europe, but we have been cold a hell for a long while. Ceoil (talk) 03:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm the only arty proto-German I know, really. (I should make that my job description) I'll take a look at it in the next few days, if I have some time between the drawings I'm working on. Nice to know you haven't left the wiki!  Litho  derm  05:59, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Death project
Yeah that was one of the odder spam occasions - bit like... nah dangerous to say what one might think it might bring the undead out in full form - if you would like to tag - our template is best on category pages as WikiProject Death, and same on article pages but with the class=. and importance= - where we tend to cover it all up is massacres and trauma events of the last 30 years or so where we put inside banner boxes so that the smiling skull doesnt get you in the face so to speak... humour can crop up in some odd places - cheers SatuSuro 06:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Fine, mr
I've followed you advice and finally opened, with Ottava's help a commons account. Now stop bitching already! Ceoil sláinte 23:13, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I wont be starting on Goya for a few weeks (i need to get more actual books), but am gathering notes etc here. Ceoil  sláinte 19:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I have a lot of work to do over spring break, but I'm sure I'll be able to contribute something.  Litho  derm  20:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't speak Spanish, but Yomagan does. Re work on Goya, I think having an article for each of the black paintings is the most important thing to focus on. After that, Inquisition Scene and Pilgrimage to San Isidro. The Spanish articles are good to copy the outline from, though I'd prefer not go down the bablefish route! Ceoil (talk) 21:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for message
Thanks for the message (and also for pointing out where to put sections! Oops - apologies). I will start making changes to the Blake page soon(ish), but it's semi-protected and I haven't made enough edits to give me access just yet - and I understand why, so that the page doesn't get vandalised (was looking through the page history...) Best wishes Jasonwhittaker (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Ping
Lith - you have absolutely nothing to apologise for. I've been in a rough state for several months now and was feeling... damaged at the time I last contacted you. I'm probably the one who ought to apolgise to you. I owe you (and many others) an email, I believe, and will follow up shortly. Kafka Liz (talk) 20:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Knight, Death, and the Devil
Ping :) Raul654 (talk) 19:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I had sort of forgotten about that. I'll have to see if I have time to finish it up, but I probably won't have time before this semester is over. Thanks for that.  Litho  derm  01:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I have something on this, but can't find the book at the moment. I'll have a dig around later. Ceoil (talk) 08:21, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

The prado website uses flash and javascript so the links on es bring you to to front page. And their search function isn't the best at all. Have you been able to reach the pages for any of these works? Ceoil (talk) 17:08, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing any javascripting so far. What's more, their hi-res images seem to be download-able!. Just go to their main page, click "the collection" on the top left, then "online gallery", then enter "Goya" and hit search. The black paintings start on page 13 of the results, appropriately enough... Their version of "Judith and Holofernes" is very different from the image we have- the contrast is much less stark. Litho  derm  01:17, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I spoke too soon. While the Prado is not Javascripted, their images are stamped with the museum's name in such small and subtle ways that they are not noticeable until you zoom in. I wish museums would remember that their mission is to educate as much of the public as possible and in as many ways as possible about art, rather than jealously guarding their resources. They do have to make money somehow, I guess. Litho  derm  01:51, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Proposed name change for Native American art
Hey Petropoxy, I hope this finds you well! User:Moxie suggested a name change to reflect the hemispheric nature of the article. Discussion has died down but it seems a concession was being approached. Since you were the instigator for the article, would you care to comment, or, if you feel there is enough agreement, do the honors of the move? Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * Frankly I don't see any reason to change the name of the article. "Indigenous" and "Native" are synonymous. Article naming should not be based on internal consistency, but on what term is used by the relevant scholarship on the topic. If Janet Berlo saw no problem with titling her book on the subject "Native North American Art", I don't see why we should have any qualms about doing likewise. As for "Native American" not being hemispheric, I own a book entitled "The Gift of Birds: Native South American Feather Art". I really can't take the concern about possible confusion with nativism very seriously. We have a disambiguation page for Native American that clearly puts the native peoples meaning front and center. Frankly it makes me chuckle to imagine what art made by the Know-Nothings would look like- does this make Grant Wood a Native American artist? Honestly the association of "Native American" with the Know Nothings is so obsolete that I doubt anyone would put the term into the search bar expecting to get the political party. Lastly, I get tired of so much political correctness after a while... After all, I just sent in my census form where the term is still "American Indian". Oh, and the proposed name is excessively long and unwieldy. Need I say more? Hope you are also well. I wish I had more time to work with you on this and other articles, but college calls...  Litho  derm  04:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * See also Native American name controversy... Litho  derm  05:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough! :) -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Manet
Four things. 1: Lovely work on the Manet. 2: I have sent you an important email. 3: I think you will get a kick out of this visually. Paul Ceoil (talk) 20:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the email; I've responded. Ah, Bardot. How odd, and I've just been on a Bogart and Bacall film watching spree. School's out, I return to Munich on the 7th of June, and right now I'm just recharging.  Litho  derm  22:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * By concidence I lived in Munich, long time ago - 1992- in a tent for 8 months. Disco city, was great for clubbing at the time. Ceoil (talk) 23:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Surprising, I'd always assumed that Berlin was more of a clubbing city. I was still in a stroller at the time, so I wouldn't know. That would be on the tail end of the EBM era, which evidently was huge in Berlin through the 80s and early 90s, though I don't know how much that style penetrated into the south of Germany. Anyway, Illegitimi non carborundum.  Litho  derm  23:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Self-Portrait with Palette (Manet)
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

May 2010
Thanks Lith. Please accept this sweet melody by way of ta. If thats not god enough, then Jane or Lisa might do. Ceoil (talk) 08:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Funniest thing I've read today
is this. Thank you. ×××BrightBlackHeaven(talk)××× 16:09, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Job's Evil Dreams detail.jpg
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 * Hmmm, that must have been one of the first files I uploaded. Just a reminder to myself to move it to commons as soon as possible... Litho  derm  18:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

GA Hold
Please see Talk:William Blake's illustrations of On the Morning of Christ's Nativity/GA1 for more information. The article is on GA Hold. Chris (talk) 13:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note and for the review. I'm out of the country at the moment, but I'll tend to the issues as soon as I return.  Litho  derm  20:35, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How soon will you return? Please advise. Chris (talk) 23:10, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I looked over the recommendations again, and because the changes weren't very major I have gone ahead and made them. Thanks,  Litho  derm  16:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It passed GA. Good job. Chris (talk) 13:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

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Durer
Hey. If you still have JSTOR access, could you extract a copy of. Ta and hope Munich is going well. Ceoil (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice to hear from you Ceoil! I quickly checked, but it appears that the "packages" of JSTOR that my University ordered don't include this source. Sorry about that... Hope to put in some work on Dürer too at some point, as I have quite a few sources myself (at home). Later,  Litho  derm  18:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No wories, I got a copy in the meantime. Surviving the heatwave? Ceoil (talk) 12:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm back by now... not that it makes any difference in the weather. It's been over 100 degrees Fahrenheit in Kentucky and humid too. School's in 2 weeks, I can't promise I'll have time to work on anything in the meantime. Wish I could...  Litho  derm  22:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Kentucky? I had assumed you were English. Thats not a dig bty. Some of my best friends are English. Long as they just smile and dont open their mouth, they get on famously in Cork. Ceoil (talk) 23:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Y'all mean ah h'aint made it clear 'nuff? Wif mah hick aksent? At least you didn't utter a word about Kentucky Fried Chicken. That's the first thing I'd hear from everyone in Germany when they heard I was from Kentucky...  Litho  derm  02:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've too much class to make a joke like that. But you must have a mad accent. I talk with a heavy accent myself. (not as bad as that though, like, boy!). Ceoil (talk) 06:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Collaboration
Hallo Petropoxy! Please have a look at User_talk:Modernist!--Nobrook (talk) 16:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See also my remark to Bornemann on your main page.--Nobrook (talk) 16:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * @German keyboard: The tilde is the third meaning of the + key (second=Shift plus + is *); the + key is sitting right next at top to the left of the enter key (sequence in that row: uiopü+). The third meaning is invoked by pressing the AltGr-key (the other modulator being the Shift key) which itself is sitting right next to the space bar. By the same token, you get ²³@µ by pressing AltGr plus 2,3,q,m respectively. z and y are switched (qwertz - qwerty).--Nobrook (talk) 18:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation; I've figured much of it out myself in the last year or so after buying a German keyboard while in Munich. On the second subject, I assumed that Frau Bornemann was not married to all 3 of them at once but, as I noted, "in succession"- that is one after the other. It was largely a humorous comment anyhow. Thanks for your note; I will look at these articles as soon as I have the time. I had some time on my hands last night but now I have to finish a drawing project by Monday so it might be a few days. But I will definitely help translate your expansions. Ich freu' mich schon auf unserer Mitarbeit!  Litho  derm  19:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Wunderbar!--Nobrook (talk) 20:44, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * @Bornemann: I understood you very well, but the texts I referred to indicate that each of them was the successor of Bornemann directly, not of one of his followers. That's why I proposed a simultaneity, with tongue in cheek, of course. Maybe they meant that they were successors to his original role and shop, not mentioning their predecessors, just because those didn't make it long enough to have made an impression. Also, the property often has had a name, at least in some rural areas, so that a man would change his name to that of the property when he would marry the female heir or the widow. I never heard of that custom with respect to trades, though.--Nobrook (talk) 20:52, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Concentrate on your studies, young man. The internet can wait. Ceoil (talk) 09:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely! --Nobrook (talk) 20:44, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nobrook you are now ofically the voice of the internet. Tell this boy to work on his books and leave us be for a while. Will you do that? Ceoil (talk) 21:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ceoil, he just agreed to what you said above. You needn't push him. I've just been working on art for the last five hours. I won't be back until next Sunday, when I will take care of Nobrook's articles. Is that OK?  Litho  derm  02:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No that wasn't intended as pushing, thats how we speak to each other here. We call it ribbing, not meant to offend. Ceoil (talk) 00:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I've started on The Women of Algiers, but it will take longer than I had thought and I am caught up in schoolwork. I'll finish it within the week...  Litho  derm  09:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There's more work to do than I thought. Make that sometime within the first few weeks of October.  Litho  derm  14:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Swedenborgian Artist
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RE:
You're welcome, my friend! Maybe more articles on William Blake are coming soon. Do you have MSN? N and O  ta lk !|undefined   22:22, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I don't. I probably will be working on few articles myself soon but not until the winter break.  Litho  derm  05:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

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Kananginak Pootoogook
Thanks. It was a piece of luck that a pilot dropped off some newspapers that included the obituary or I wouldn't have thought about it. It wasn't until I almost finished that I found it on line. As for the DYK I would have had to add 8,000 bytes rather than the 4,000 to get the fivefold expansion. Cheers. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 13:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Seasons
Happy returns. Are you in Germany for the christmas markets? Well take it easy on the mulled wine if you are. Talk to you in the new year. Ceoil (talk) 16:32, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

The Skat Players
I wonder if you could create the article and insert a picture of this most significant painting by Otto Dix. You know about paintings and how "to depict" (read: unveil) the image to the readers. I enjoyed reading the other articles you created, so I thought that maybe you could say something about this work. (?) Krenakarore (talk) 18:40, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

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"Free speech"
Ha! Nice touch.  freshacconci  talk talk  18:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I try.  Litho  derm  23:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey!
Saw your note - I replied, but then I just archived the whole thing. A lot of messy, unhappy stuff going on today. How's things with you? Kafka Liz (talk) 22:40, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought you'd like that. The clip is from this video.


 * Me? Eh, it could be worse. I'm working on a long-overdue paper concerning Wikis in Academia. It's funny, I was just reading through this when I logged in today and caught sight of all the **** going down. It's a very over-idealistic view of "meritocratic" leadership in WP...


 * But anyway, I've taken a year's leave of absence from college to mull over my options. I didn't feel like my art was at the point where I was ready to create a senior body of work. So I'm writing, drawing, researching, and in between doing little things on Wikipedia. And you?  Litho  derm  23:45, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * That is nothing short of stellar. Love the anchorwoman's performance! Is the paper still for college (even with the year off), or will it be published somewhere?
 * Me, I'm still trying to find something in my field, and working part time doing something considerably less satisfying. There's been some other stuff going on - stuff I'd rather not get into here, as it concerns others besides myself - but overall I'm in pretty decent spirits most days. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:05, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The paper is left over from an (extremely disappointing) internship last summer. It was due back in mid-October. For me, late work enters into a vicious cycle: having been given more time, I feel like the paper should be better than it would have been had I completed it on time. So because it's late, I should work on it more - and because I work on it more, it gets later. So by the time it's more than a month late, it should be the best f***ing thing I've ever written, right? Only it's not. In fact, it's a mess of notes and abandoned drafts and half-written disconnected paragraphs. It's strange, understanding this process so well and yet being unable to stop it. Eventually all of that neurotic anal-retentiveness exerts enough pressure on my material that a jewel-like, highly condensed piece of prose pops out. Hasn't happened yet in this case. But here I am dumping all this on you!
 * Anyway, it's good to hear you're doing fairly well. I hope your problems aren't insurmountable. Sometime over the holidays I'd like to complete the translation of the Darmstadt Madonna, which is a huge article on the German Wiki. That'll be my main project for this go-around, except of course if any of the arts editors want to push something to featured status- in that case I'll certainly join in.  Litho  derm  00:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * First off, you're not dumping - I asked. This sounds a lot like what I went through when working on my master's thesis. I'd had to get an extension on it - partly to do with my being lazy and distracted, but also partly to do with the fact that my advisor had neglected to tell me that my original topic was simply too unfeasibly broad to work. The hell I went through trying to finish that thing... Took me months to get back on a normal sleep schedule. And it still wasn't very good, as I recall. I'm happy to take a look at yours, if you ever feel like you another eye might be helpful. I know I couldn't have got through it without support from friends.
 * Right now, Ceoil and I are working on Early Netherlandish Painting, and Truthkeeper is reworking Ernest Hemingway, if you're interested in either of those. Oh, and a small ping. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that sounds about like my situation. My advisor is far from helpful. I probably will let you take a look at it, once it starts to coalesce a bit more. I really appreciate the offer.


 * What's this? I read you're a fountain pen person?? My small indulgence this year was a Guiliano Mazzuoli Mini- a pen that looks like a tool, and not some gilded executive's accessory.


 * And TK88 is a pen person too! Surprises all around. I thought learning that TK is a woman was my surprise for the day. It must have been Hemingway that threw me off. He's like the Mickey Spillane of high literature, in terms of testosterone saturation. Netherlandish painting sounds great, I'll take a look a the article. Cheers,  Litho  derm  05:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Nah, happy to help. Just give me a heads-up so I can set aside some time :) Re: fountain pens, guilty as charged. Mine tend to be more traditional-looking than your Mini (not a model I'm familiar with - tell me about it?) - mostly black (surprise surprise) with discrete trim. Not too flashy, in my opinion, but not as serious-looking as yours. You might want to check out these; I've seen people who can actually draw do some amazing things with them, and they're not too expensive. Plus you can take them apart and fool with the nib to get it just to your liking.  I'll stop, though - I could probably go on all day about this, and my insomnia is just starting to wear off. Right in time for sunrise. Kafka Liz (talk) 10:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Got some pretty awesome German ink the other day, incidentally. Kafka Liz (talk) 20:48, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome how so? The Ahab looks nice; I have an aluminum Lamy Safari I use for drawing. Speaking of Germany and Lamy, my favorite find from my most recent visit was a cartridge that fits both Lamy and the standard fountain pen. As for the Mazzuoli, it has a very stiff steel nib (stiffer than the Lamy, even) that makes it difficult to write with in anything other than a Moleskine or a Rhodia notebook. Durability was my primary concern, though- I'm horrible about keeping an expensive pen in my pants pocket with change and a cell phone. The cap screws on to both ends, so I'll never lose it, and the surface doesn't show scratches. I'm happy with it. :)  Litho  derm  23:37, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, mainly in that it is a lovely color, something between olive and moss, and I'd been coveting it for a long time. But I am told it can make whatever wishes you write come true, and turn ordinary paper into money as well. It's not archival or anything, so I guess my wealth will not be permanent. I have a Lamy Pur, which I was quite happy with, and then at this meeting I went to on Sunday one of the guys there messed around with it (he did something involving a loupe, a scalpel, and some buffing paper) and it writes far better than I knew it could. Safaris are good, sturdy pens though - I keep almost buying one and then not, mainly because I'm really poor right now, and I don't love them quite enough to justify the expense. Stiffer than a Lamy though... sounds pretty damn stiff.
 * The expensive guys (all two of them) stay at home usually. No point in risking them escaping into the great outdoors. My handbag/purse thingy has a little covered pocket inside that's perfect for clipping pens to, so whatever I do have with me is usually pretty safe from scratches and dings. I usually stick with Rhodia for my notebooks, as I've found Moleskeines get bleed-through sometimes. Maybe it's just the inks I use... Kafka Liz (talk) 00:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Girolamo Mocetto
Let me know when you're done. Levinson is of course older than Grove or Boorsch, but quite long. Johnbod (talk) 23:18, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I'm done for the moment. I wasn't sure if I should write about his artistic development; Romano vaguely defines periods based on the influence of Bellini vs Mantegna, but Boorsch write his style varies little. I've gone with Boorsch for the moment. I'd also like to find an image of a painting that's definitely been attributed to him. The Portrait I have up for the moment is pretty dreadful and, more to the point, uncertainly attributed. Cheers,  Litho  derm  04:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays
...Best wishes and of course, bourbon balls. Kafka Liz (talk) 13:00, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What a beautiful quote... Thank you, Liz. I don't have anything to give in return just yet, still working on a Christmas-related article. But here's what I've had in my head all day.  Litho  derm  02:55, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

No worries; looking forward to the article. If you'll pardon the jumpiness (and ren-faire qualities) of this... it is one of the better versions I've found of The Song of the Sibyl, a Christmas tradition in Spain. Kafka Liz (talk) 03:13, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Very nice. I'm kind of worried that the Darmstadt Madonna, where I'm planning a large expansion, isn't quite Christmas-y enough to make DYK on the day itself...  Litho  derm  03:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it's got the correct main characters anyway, even if it isn't quite Christmas-y. I like the rug... Kafka Liz (talk) 11:29, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a great rug. Eh, the only other article I'm really working on now, Master L. Cz., is decidedly un-Christmas-y, so it'll have to do.  Litho  derm  19:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Girolamo Mocetto
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Celebrate
Thanks, Modernist. Here's hoping for less drama all around...  Litho  derm  09:56, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Saw what you did there. No links, but... made me laugh too. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * He meant well, but I wasn't sure if he would find it so funny. I hear up in the high desert they have a rather... dry... sense of humor. (rimshot)  Litho  derm  02:18, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your recent benevolent patrol of my talkpage. Imagine receiving a message like that in the form of a phone call. --Wetman (talk) 17:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I enjoyed reading your Userpage, by the way. As someone who grew up in Lexington, the Paris, France thing always cracks me up. Merry Christmas to you!  Litho  derm  23:50, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Master L. Cz.
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"Alabama"
Heh heh. . Sorry about the delayed response - I've had something of a busy week and haven't looked at Klimt once in that time. But I may well be hitting up either you or TK for German help... as soon as I've narrowed stuff down a bit. Since you do know the period far better than I do, is there any particular source you'd recommend? Kafka Liz (talk) 00:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, William Johnston's The Austrian Mind is the standard overview (in English, at least) of the cultural background for the Viennese Secession period. It may be helpful for getting a general grasp of things... for Klimt in particular I'd have to do some looking myself. I could send you a copy of my Kokoschka paper, if you're interested. It won't help with specifics but some of the general "glitter and doom" atmosphere might rub off. ;) Also, Lexington is farther from the northern border of Alabama than Belfast is from Cork. Just throwing it out there.  Litho  derm  08:09, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can lay my hands on it - I'm long overdue for a trip to the library. Yes, I'd like to have a look at your paper, if you don't mind sending it; any information I can get will be helpful. Thanks! Kafka Liz (talk) 13:51, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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 * Sorry about that! I wasn't aware of that particular point of policy on categories and assumed that the general policy on redlinks applied. All I saw was that the category existed on the German, Russian, and Italian Wikipedias, and assumed it would be useful here. Having read the deletion discussion I suppose I see their point about award categories... Anyway, thanks for clearing that up.  Litho  derm  12:28, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

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