User talk:Pgrachan

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The article is filled with promotional material. Take the sentence:
 * MG&F became notable as one of the most downloaded and listened to songs from the 2014 Ubisoft video game release Watch Dogs with their song No Number.

I see that the reference you have given does not support the claim made in the article. If we want to stick to the facts, the article will read:
 * The M&G song No Number was featured in the 2014 Ubisoft video game Watch Dogs.

The rest of the article needs to be rewritten in the same way. I could have marked the article for deletion as a promotional page needing a major rewrite, but I haven't done so yet, because I believe the article could be salvaged. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 05:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem! Those are numbers from Ubisoft and the result was contractual inclusion in the movie version of the game and a separate soundtrack. There are no publicly available singular resources that can be legally cited or released for those figures and probably not a good move to upload and publish a legal contract. The only ability to show that claim would be cross referencing multiple sites and streaming numbers comparing that song to every other song. If I can figure out a more direct way to get that cited, I'll get that in there in the future. I also don't see this as promotional as it is essentially a resume illustrating the growing importance of MG&F to popular entertainment per market demand BUT I do not want to violate any rules so I really really appreciate your help in making sure its in line and allowable so any adjustments or corrections please let me know so I can take care of them ASAP. Thanks for your help! 74.94.103.125 (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh one more thing, the links to external press aren't to promote, they are to show that there is in fact coverage. Without those, the claim could be made that there is coverage or inclusion in any press outlet or festival and since those are coverage initiated by the outlet and festival inclusion by request, it helps to illustrate the rising relevance in pop culture (that is a reliable metric of growth in entertainment). I just wanted to be clear on purpose so it can be adjusted with the same intent but more appropriate content if that's what needs to happen. I hope that makes some sense contextually. 74.94.103.125 (talk) 19:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

The article is not much better than it was before. "MG&F remained popular throughout the Chicago region with songs like Stay Here." What reference is there for the popularity? An official YouTube video of the song is not a reference. "The high profile game inclusion lead to the MG&F song Every Morning Love being used by Walmart stores across the US, as well as requests to perform in multiple festivals." I see no reference for the song being used by Walmart, or that this was caused by the inclusion of the song No Number in the Ubisoft game Watch Dogs. Again, Wikipedia needs to stick to the facts; see the policy of neutrality. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 04:59, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, so do you want all adjectives removed? Would that help?
 * The reference is the data associated with the video, not the video, but you cannot get to the data without going to the video. The 5 year anniversary show for that song sold out in 30 minutes at $25 per ticket, how would we reference something like that? The citation on the sales time for shows on a One Direction tour is blog reporting about a rumor on twitter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_All_Night_Tour#cite_note-sales-2. So if I link to facebook post about that show being sold out, is that a valid reference? 80,000 plays and growing for that particular video is a pretty solid reference to qualify "popular" as anyone can look at the stats over time and see the plays rise at a natural rate. A live number is certainly more reliable than a rumor on twitter reported by a random blog. And how are we going to reference use of content for in-store promotion other than a contract? Does this qualify? The first fan picture sent in https://instagram.com/p/yK34KqCv_4/ I suppose I could submit the over 200 pictures that fans from across the US sent us of the video being used, but why? Other pages aren't held to that standard. Those are simply factual statements of events in a time line to illustrate growing relevance that I'm a little at a loss to prove. Here's the standards that I see: Look at Three Days Grace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Days_Grace the reference for some of the events claimed is THEIR OWN BIO written by them? They are referencing themselves. How is that more of a verifiable reference than a stated contractual event? Their references for the feel of reviews, are the reviews themselves (similar to "popular" being measured by 80,000 views). Phrases like "after touring they knew" etc aren't referenced, they are just taken at the band's word because that is what happened and those events inform verifiable facts, not promotional items. You cannot prove or provide reference that the connected events stated in Three Days Grace profile are any more or less connected than the ones here. The referenced items are connected by inference to the unverifiable ones through logic. The result of all these time line events are cited line ups, reviews, press coverage etc. I'll do my best to modify to the SAME standard that others are being held to and if that isn't good enough, then you can literally tell me what to say I suppose 2601:244:4300:1B20:A8FF:5464:D413:F0A7 (talk) 05:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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