User talk:Phaedriel/Archive 18



huh?
I just saw this edit summary, and while I don't know what you are referring to, I can't imagine you doing anything that could come close to being "horribly obnoxious", or even "kind-of obnoxious". So whoever said that about some action of yours is 1) a nut, and 2) outside the mainstream of wikipedians who have had any contact with you. So please, use your own proven good judgement about what is best and don't let the b***ards get you down. Your friend, Roger. --rogerd 02:00, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I too came to see what this was about. I commented literally last night to someone on IRC how I valued your willingness to speak from the heart.  From someone else it might sound insincere or sarcastic, but from you it's golden.  Your continued good humour, kindness, and honesty do this community a service it is deeply in need of. -  brenneman  {L} 03:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Rogerd, this guy has to be a nut, or maybe possessed. Anyways, this talk page always has someone adding things quickly so I guess you must have missed my earlier question from yesterday, which is probably in the middle of the page by now.:P P e rfectStorm (Hello! Hallo! Bonjour! Holla!) 03:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hehe this IS a high traffic page! Anyway, I agree with everyone else (so why am I posting? because I like posting to this page!)... don't worry about this guy's opinions. ++Lar: t/c 13:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Indigenous peoples of North America newsletter
I've done a few things toward a rough draft, but am not sure what direction we need to go with it. Have you got any suggestions? --Aaron Walden 02:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link? I'm willing to help out (copyedits and delivery) but I am too lazy to recall where it is. :) ++Lar: t/c 02:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, it's at WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America/Newsletter. --Aaron Walden [[Image:Tsalagisigline.gif]] 22:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I am very happy with the layout updates, and redesign of the Project Page, as well as the Portal. It's much more navigable than in the old format. As for the newsletter, I'm ready to move on to the next step, whenever everyone else is. --Aaron Walden 12:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Jeannette and Isabelle
Thank you for your comment! I do believe the second one is the painting inspired by the song, since there are only two girls there. From what I gather, the English title is The Newborn. I think it should be placed in the article (and picture-linked on DYK). Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 04:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks
I can't thank you enough for the beautiful little barnstar! You enjoy your weekend as well. --M e rovingian (T, C, @) 05:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Chromosomes
Definitely male. DS 13:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

My user page
I will be honored and grateful if you can do your magic on my user page... ≈ jossi ≈ t &bull; @ 22:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

New DYK nomination
I noticed you really liked my Bring a Torch article, so you might also be interested in viewing an article I wrote on a distinct and memorable piece of Americana: "Winston tastes good like a cigarette should". Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 11:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I like all of those sources and I would add them myself, but the reference footnote thing confuses the hell out of me, and I was wondering if you could write a bit about what each source said, and cite them into the article, so I can adjust them where I think is necessary. Thanks so much for helping me! Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 19:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I liked your other two sources as well, this one and this one. All I need is the citation put in the article and I can write what needs to be done. I'm just so clueless about that sort of thing, and I know I'll mess it up! Thanks in advance. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 19:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * A capture of the Flintstones commercial would be genius! By all means, put it on there! Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 20:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Your opinion needed
Dear Sharon,

You don't know me, but I think I know you a little bit. I have encountered your username going through various history listings, discussions and user talk pages on WP (I know it's really impolite to read somebody else's correspondence, but I am not accused of politeness too often :p ). I must say I am really impressed with your contirbutions to Wikipedia, and with your unusual kindness and understanding for people. Therefore, I thought you would be the right person to ask for opinion.

I would like to ask for your opinion about an AfD I have filed (or whatever the right name for what I've done is) - Articles for deletion/List of automotive flops. I have come accross this article while some external site I frequent pointed out to it as an example of why Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information but an arena for some internauts to try to mold reality their way. I was obviously disturbed by that and couldn't agree more with the description of this article, but not the notion of the article, and therefore thought that such an article should be removed not to compromise WP's status.

My main point is that such list is inherently POV, and therefore can't be rectified - you will find my extensive argumentation in the discussion. The AfD has faced stiff opposition from people involved with editing the article, but also some other users. I have found some edits by some of the opposing editors of this article quite POV themselves, or more specifically, not distinguishing between POV and impartial information. I am quite surprised by how different we define POV. Finally, one user left such nice message on my talk page -> User talk:Bravada.

This all made me wonder if perhaps I am completely wrong in my understanding of POV and what WikiPpdia should be. Therefore, it is really important to me to find out your opinion on that, as, knowing your extensive Wiki experience, I see you as an authority in these matters. Thanks a lot in advance and sorry for the bother. Bravada, talk - 18:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC) ...


 * Sharon,


 * Thank you so much for your unbelievably prompt response! You make reading your messages absolutely delightful (and I absolutely love to be addressed as "Dear", though probably I think of it differently than you do :D ), which was perhaps another reason why I asked for you opinion I didn't realize :D
 * Please excuse me for what might seem as being impatient. I have just seen you got quite many messages following mine and then being aware of the "backlog" message box atop your talk page, I thought you might simply miss my message and then other issues of pressing importance would push it even further away. I was not hoping for such a prompt response, just wanted to make sure you aware of if... oh what a lame explanation! What-EVER!
 * Now as concerns the issue - I am happy that I am not the only one who sees the inherent POVness here, but my gripes about that go further. Namely, the definition of the term "commercial failure" is also not very clear. We can go by the definition of "not meeting sales expectations", but then many times exact manufacturers' sales predicitions are not available, and also what is sometimes proclaimed in public is either over- or understated. Then, one can argue that even a vehicle not meeting those is not a failure - e.g. all large and fuel-guzzling vehicles probably didn't meet them during the fuel crises. Would that mean they all belong on that list? (I don't mean either yes or no, I am just pointing out another point for dispute)
 * So I am afraid what we are going to have is extensive back-and-forth movement by enthusiasts and non-ethusiasts (how do you call the latter?) of particular vehicles, as well as incompleteness of the list, as nobody in their right mind is going to go through sales projections (which I already mentioned are hardly available) and sales results for all vehicles ever made. So, this list will be an arena for constant bickering between users and a reason to depreciate WP's usefulness as impartial source of information. Who would actually be looking for that kind of info in an encyclopedia? Should we have a "list of singers who sang particularly awful" by the same token?
 * I know there is no easy rule as to what belongs in WP and what does. I am just strongly feeling that it does not, as it would keep the door ajar for some even less appropriate inclusions. I am also feeling I expressed myself quite badly here, my thoughts are unfortunately mostly with my hand now, chiefly because it reminds of itself constantly. GOSH IS THIS POST A MESS. What-EVER again!
 * Again, thanks an unbelievable lot for your kindness and bearing with me! I wish you all the best in the new week :D Bravada, talk - 00:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

help needed
Would appreciate your help with some native american issues at Articles for deletion/Buggin Malone. Thanks. - CrazyRussian talk/email 19:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you sweetie. Enjoy your trip. - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Everything is fine. Wife is pissed off over excessive WP editing. Recently asked if she should place a helpme tag on her user talk page in order to get me to do the dishes. That stung! :) - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Ta for the star!
Thank you for that, a nice surprise. If you need any admin help before you get made one yourself, just let me know. Tyrenius 02:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Comanche Language
Hi Phaedriel! Don't be sorry about responding late, you can't be blamed for your popularity:P. I think it's really unfortunate (criminal really) about what has happened to your people and your language. I don't know how much you know about Canada's role with Native Americans (we prefer to call them Aboriginals or just First Nations, so as not to stress the American part of it I suppose:P), but they were awfully cruel to the people here. To assimilate them, children were put into these "residential schools", usually run by the Catholic Church or a Protestant group, and the children were beaten, and abused in all sorts horrible ways. The last one didn't close until the middle of the 90s!!! Terrible.

Many still live in "Indian Reserves", where things are really horrendous: typhus, other diseases, bad drinking water and bad housing. Canada is ranked somewhere in the top 5 or 10 in living standards in the world, but the Indian Reserves on their own would sadly rank behind at least 75-80 countries. A friend of mine actually lives in one, and he had to come to "the city" because they didn't have a high school there for him to go to. Aboriginals play a key role here, a lot more than in the US because there are a very large minority.I n my own city, 10% of 700,000 are of Aboriginal descent.

However, It is really amazing how you are able to be so kind with everyone in spite of this cruelty, I know I could never do it. You truly are an inspiration. Anyways, you have a good week too!:) P e rfectStorm (Hello! Hallo! Bonjour! Holla!) 03:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

tracking things
Just a very bare page: User:Phaedriel/DYK... do with it as you will or mark it for deletion or whatever. But it's time you started bragging about these! ++Lar: t/c 03:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Good article!
I thought you might be interested to know the article we worked on, "Winston tastes good like a cigarette should," has been promoted to good article status after just one day. Thanks for contributing to a job well done! Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 04:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking of starting "Us Tareyton smokers would rather fight than switch," but it wasn't as enduring as the Winston campaign, and it's already covered in small detail at the Tareyton article. What do you think? I only thought about creating it when I told my mother about the Winston article and she was like "I remember the Tareyton girls with the black eyes...rather fight than switch!" Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 17:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

My stress
Hello Sharon. Thanks for your support over the last few days. I am feeling better now and have started writing again. I made my first trip to New articles Australia for 53 days today (quite shocking isn't it), so it feels good to be back, and with the creation of Boy Charlton, David Theile and Malcolm Champion, the redlinks on Australian Olympic medalists in Swimming are now gone. So hopefully I can get it ready for WP:FLC sometime. Have an enjoyable family trip. Many thanks again, Blnguyen | rant-line 08:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK
I saw your note on Lord Voldemort's talk page. And while the actually updating of the template requires admin privileges, there's plenty of stuff for other people to do. Like offering interesting facts, informing people their item was used (if the updating admin didn't get to that) and commenting in ineligible or unsuitable suggestions. Drop right in! Just make sure you read the instructions and don't delete anything text off the page and you'll be fine. - Mgm|(talk) 08:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Have some brownies
I baked some brownies for my nurses this morning, and had a few left over, so I thought I'd give them to you :) User:Srikeit took a few after his RfA passed.  Sorry if they're overdone (the real ones were a bit, but, of course, I can't bake).  Feel free to share -- Samir   धर्म 09:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the truffles! Good to have you back :) -- Samir    धर्म  07:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: How are you feeling, sweet Cliff?
The cold is going away fast now, but I've got a broken toe now. (What will it be next?) I'm still laughing about the comment about me being Queen of the World. ;) As for the male version…it looks really masculine. :) I also wonder why you haven't joined Esperanza yet (speaking of which, I need to take down my wikibreak thing)…I know you would be a wonderful asset to them. ;) Also, I made a temporary signature until I offically change my username to Springeragh on the 30th (my birthday present to me). One last thing, speaking of birthdays: I noticed your birthday is a day before mine. ;) The one and only Cliff  00:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit: Come to think of it, I think you deserve a star for the QOTW comment!

Userpage
Hello, Sharon. It's sad, but my page is in a mess. Do you mind helping me to enhance it? Sceptre is supposed to help me out, but he hasn't replied. I hope you do not mind. See you soon, Sharon.-- Tdxi an  g  08:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Phaedriel. for your support.

 * There's not enough harddrive space on Wikipedia to write the praise you deserve for what you've done for the place. All I can do is humbly thank you for your support during my recent endeavour. *hugs*! ~Kylu ( u | t )  20:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Rinehart

 * Congratulations, Phaedriel, on another great article. User:Phaedriel/DYK has been updated to reflect it. ++Lar: t/c 10:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

For spreading happiness
Wherever I go on Wikipedia, I see people - friends, non-friends and strangers - being made happier by you. I just thought you should know that seeing that has made me happier. ➨  ЯEDVERS  19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * oh I second this, for sure. =) — Natha  n  ( talk ) / 22:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I second Nathan…so would I be thirding it or fourthing it? ;) The one and only Cliff  22:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * My dear Sharon: we were already friends; we just haven't met before. I would be proud and honoured to be counted amongst those lucky people you have helped simply by calling them a friend. I will try to spread happiness and friendship to others in my name, but in your spirit: human beings are an interconnected web (all seven billion of us) and we serve that web by making it tighter. My web of friends are now your web of friends, and your web of friends are now mine. It's a very small thing, but together we have made the world a fraction of a percent better. That's all the world needs from everybody. And you did this. Thank you, my dear friend. Love always, ➨  ЯEDVERS  20:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Wish you were here...
With temperatures in the high-30s, you should be soaking up rays here in jolly old England! I have been! Will (message me!) 19:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

GA nomination
Hi. Our paths cross a 3rd time. I review articles for the Good Article project. Your Comanche article is not near the top yet, but I looked at it anyway as I'm interested in the topic. I'm trying to help, of course. Overall, it's excellent and could become an FA. But first, let's do the GA thing. Only two things leap out at me: 1) the lead, the first para is great, but the 2nd goes off on a tangent of word origin. I'd suggest moving the word origin para into history or something. Then, expand the remaining lead so it summarizes the breadth of the article. 2) while you have a great bibliography, you have no footnotes (inline citations), these are essential for FA and highly recommended for GA. If you need help, let me know. Also let me know when you're done with this and I'll look over the article again. Rlevse 01:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I recall the 2nd time we met, you couldn't remember the first, well I just found this when going through my talk archive while I was looking for something else:

""Dear Rlevse, I'm embarrased about my lack of response to your message from two weeks ago. It simply slipped by my attention among another edits at my talk page, and I honestly didn't observe it until now. I see that you have already added your Undisputed (film) article to our WikiFilms project, which is great. Again, I'm sorry for not noticing your message until now, and if I can be of any help to you, please just let me know... I swear I will answer this time! =) Kisses, - Phædriel ♥ tell me - 22:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)""  Rlevse 13:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * See talk at Portal:Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America/Selected_Biography, I fixed you bibiliography border problem.Rlevse 14:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Found a flower for you
It's plunder from someone else's Wikipage, but I thought of your flower collection when I saw it...



It's plunder from someone else's Wikipage, but I thought of your flower collection when I saw it...this is my copy; I'll link to the original directly when I find it again.

Hope you're feeling better.Skookum1 02:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Three Cheers for Phaedriel!


Great to see you back Phaedriel, I hope you had a wonderful wikibreak.

I see your tired, so take a quick swig of beer to relax, then hop straight on a hammock!

Speak to you all about your wikibreak soon,

Th ε Halo Θ 18:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi again. I saw that you were up and about on the wiki, so I thought I'd ask how you are and how your wikibreak went? Did you enjoy yourself, & where did you go? Somewhere nice and sunny hopefully! It's really great to have you back here (it's seemed just a bit more empty the last couple of days), it's been so long since we talked, all the way up ↑ there, way back on the 12th! I saw your soundtrack subpage, and both myself and Snopake (she's here with me. We were both really excited to see Men at Work on your list (love that band) ;) think it's a great idea. We'll contribute to it soon, if that's okay. Anyway, talk to you soon I hope. Really great to have you back, Snopake sends her love. *Big welcome back hugs* Th ε Halo Θ 20:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Requests_for_comment/MONGO
Hi. You've endorsed tow statements on that page. You can only endorse one. --GunnarRene 19:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait. It just says you can't edit the other summaries, not that you can't endorse them. Never mind.--GunnarRene 19:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much!
Loved it...! What can I say? You are are star   ≈ jossi ≈  t &bull; @ 20:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

A voice in the chorus (of your new music project?)
Just another note to say it's good to have you back, even a short wikibreak for you seems to stretch on for quite a while for the rest of us! So glad you had some time to yourself... talk to you soon I hope. BTW I love what you did with Jossi's page, it looks really good. I think tabs work a lot better than show/hides and I think that's how I want to organise mine too (unless you get to it first ++Lar: t/c 21:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you very much for the award, I really appreciate it :) Thanks! -- Froggydarb croak 21:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Coming Back
I'm trying to, albeit slowly, due in large part to the unmeasurable kindness of people like yourself, but things like what the cabal did to my article still make me sick. Karm a  fist  22:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Update!
Hi! Just thought I'd give you an update on my life! I've just been loading some of my favourite songs onto your song page. Quite cool! (Hope you don't mind if I'm a lemming...) I was the first one to use it! Also, I got a second article featured (Velociraptor), & I'm in the proccess of getting a third one featured (Tyrannosaurus).

In real life, it's not going quite as well. My mother is going into surgery for possible cancer & our water pipe just burst majorly. It's gonna take a whole heap to fix it & the whole garden is being ripped up. Further, we have to fix it all the way into the gutters because the council passed a law saying the home owner was responsible for it! Apart from that, & exams, everythings okay.

Would like to hear from you... Spawn Man 22:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW, You said to put suggestions here, so I was thinking that the TOC on the page looks out of place. You should either put a space between it & the start of the song tables or delete the TOC all together... Just a thought... Thanks, Spawn Man 00:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Dear Jack
''Dear Jack, it's not everyday that I see a person as dedicated and patient as you, silently and modestly committed to learn, and at the same time to help for the best of our community. I am deeply convinced that you will enjoy a very long and fruitful wiki-life, and I wish to offer myself as your own friend in case you ever need help or the humble assistance I can give. All I can say, is - Keep it up! You're doing great ;) Big hugs,  Phaedriel   &hearts;  The Wiki Soundtrack! ♪  ''- 19:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I really appreciate the complement :) -- Mostly Rainy 23:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! =D
Sharon/Phaedriel,

Thank you so much for the really kind message and barnstar on my user talk. I sincerely appreciate your really nice comments =D and your future RfA support. You made my day, and I'll display your barnstar (proudly) on my userpage. Regards, Alphachimp  talk  00:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

A smile for you...


has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing! Michael 02:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Soundtrack of Wikipedians
Sharon,

I love the idea behind this page, and I'm so glad you established it. I'm happy to share my favorite music with you and everyone else who might be interested- as you said, you can often understand a person very well with just what they listen to. I was happy to see the overlap between our musical tastes (much more than the limited number of songs I put down, I assure you). :o) Anyway, just thought I'd drop you a line since we hadn't talked in a little bit. I hope everything is going great, and feel free to leave me a message whenever you like.

EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 02:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply, dear Sharon. Time off always does a lot of good for the mood...I'm currently enjoying some time off myself as well here in Seattle, as I look for a job following my graduation from college. It's a win-win right now...if I find a job in the next month or so, I get to start my career journey, and if I still don't have anything by August 30th, I get to head back to my home sweet home of Austin, Texas. As much as I love Seattle and the wonderful summer we're having here, I often find myself missing that area of the country that we're both so fortunate to call home. Please, feel free to send me a random message any time it even comes into your mind. EWS23  (Leave me a message!) 14:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Greetings from Istanbul
Hi, I encountered your page and liked it very much, as well as other things you do in Wikipedia. Just wanted to send my greetings from Istanbul, Turkey. Best, --Gokhan 07:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Ortakoy_Camii_ve_Kopru.jpg|100px|thumb|left|[[Ortaköy]] Ortaköy Mosque with a view of Bosphorus Bridge]]



Hello Phaedriel, thank you so much for your warm and kind words! I really feel depressed sometimes while struggling in Wikipedia, I wish all people here could be like you. That's also clear from the popularity of your talk page! You really radiate positive energy and kindness, even via this huge network of cables and computers. I'm glad to meet you... I've only been in U.S. once back in 1994, visited Maryland and Virginia. I loved the country and the people.


 * We had a nice walk this weekend with my wife in the old city and took some pictures. Wanted to share some of them with you.  Not my best but I enjoyed the time I had while taking them. So maybe a piece of that will reach U.S.??? I hope you can come to visit Istanbul and Turkey someday.  Please keep in mind to inform me when you decide to do that!


 * I'm about to leave Istanbul for a year, for mba. Wish me luck :)  --Gokhan 17:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Re : Dear Mailer Diablo
Hi Sharon,

Thanks for your kind message, I really, really appreciate that! *hugs* I guess perhaps you'll have to chain me to my userpage by the end of this year, cos' I'll have to go on a 2-year conscription! ;) In any case, that's right, I'm now back to active editing on this great encyclopedia! :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 14:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)



has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!