User talk:Phanatic10

June 2009
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Proposed deletion of Sprinturf
Doing an assigment from class for our summer semester project. we have to take a company and write about its history and link some notible things about it on the web. This is our first time writing and we are still trying to get the rules down, so if you could bear with us we would really appreciate it. Any advice or information you have would be really helpful, (if you could help us by making some corrections and not delete would be very appreciative) like i said this is our first time and it is for a very big grade. thanks.

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User: and User:
Are you the same person as those two users? They each appear to have created earlier versions of the Sprinturf article, which was speedily deleted both times. I ask because you recently recreated the same article, which has once again been proposed for deletion. Also the latter user was blocked as a commercial-only account (see here), and the editing pattern of this account is quite similar to that one. If you are the same person, you should understand that creating a new account in response to being blocked is itself a violation of Wikipedia's policies - see WP:Sockpuppet - and will only result in your being blocked again. You are welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, but only in conformity with Wikipedia's policies. Please review the foregoing comments here on your Talk page to gain an understanding of what kinds of articles and links constitute forbidden advertising or commercial promotion. JohnInDC (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Not the same user. however we are in the same class doing a school project. we have to take a company and write about its history and link some notible things about it on the web. This is our first time writing and we are still trying to get the rules down, so if you could bear with us we would really appreciate it. Any advice or information you have would be really helpful, (if you could help us by making some corrections and not delete would be very appreciative) like i said this is our first time and it is for a very big grade. thanks.

Wikipedia and school assignments
Thanks for the info. That helps folks understand what is going on here. That being said, I am not sure there is much that can be done about the pending deletion of the article, or the reversion of your edits to various articles. Here's the thing. The idea is that Wikipedia is a real, honest-to-goodness encyclopedia. Just like the ones you would pull off the shelf in the library. So there are a *whole* bunch of rules and policies about what is or isn't appropriate for inclusion here. Only things that have already achieved a certain level of fame or importance qualify - you can't just put in an article about something you happen to know about, and expect it to remain. Most importantly, the subject of the article has to be notable. If it is not, or if the notability can't be supported by reference to reliable and verifiable sources, it will be deleted.

I don't honestly think that Wikipedia is the right place for you guys to be trying to complete your assignment - Wikipedia is not just some huge hosting service on the web where you can experiment and try things out and see if it works. While "anyone can edit" Wikipedia, you really need to have an idea *beforehand* about the article you intend to write, and why it is worth having here. It shouldn't work the other way around, where you write about something and then see if it is good enough. There are real people taking real time to review articles and edits like you guys are making and if it's all just kind of an experiment -- well, I think that's kind of an abuse of the process.

I don't mean to be nasty or cruel, and perhaps I'm being too strict about it. What you might do, if you want advice, is to go to this page Editor assistance/Requests or perhaps this one Help_desk, explain what you're doing, and ask for assistance. Be polite, ask sincerely, and people should be nice to you, even if they wind up saying the same thing I just did.

Does that help? JohnInDC (talk) 21:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile, you *have to stop* adding those Spinturf references everywhere. You will just wind up getting your account blocked.  Okay?  JohnInDC (talk) 21:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for the advice, we really appreicate it. (Yes we will follow the rules with adding of references everywhere.)  The only thing is to complete the project we have to do it on wikipedia it's a requirment for the course.  So yes, we will do some more reading about the rules of wikipeadia to try and get a better understanding.  If I could ask you guys a favor and when we post something on here if you could just read over it and send any comments over of what needs to be reworked before you delete the artical (kinda give us a fighting chance to get this done or if you would like to throw some corrections in of your own we are open to anything) we would really appreciate it.  Like I said we dont mean to degrade the website at all, we just want to understand it better and possibly in the future make some edits on articals with familure topics.
 * Again thanks a lot guys, for all your help. Look forward to hearing from you.
 * I may the only person reading this page. Again I would suggest making your request at one of the other pages I mentioned above.  That way you may get a bit more attention!  JohnInDC (talk) 11:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I should add that I'm not altogether sure your teacher is making the wisest assignments, by turning you guys loose on Wikipedia. Nothing personal, but I really question the wisdom of making Wikipedia the subject of student experimentation - unless *(s)he* wants to be the one to follow the class's edits and make sure they're in conformity with Wikipedia standards and policies.  (You should print out these exchanges and turn them in as part of your assignment.)  JohnInDC (talk) 13:26, 26 June 2009 (UTC)