User talk:Phayla

Brighton-Le-Sands
Please do not change references of Brighton-Le-Sands to contain 'le'. This issue has been discussed at length in the past and the was settled. The NSW Geographic names Board and Rockdale City Council website confirms the spelling as Brighton-Le-Sands. Send me a message, if you wish to discuss further. J Bar 05:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Lady Robinson Beach
I noticed your article includes a lot of information about surrounding suburbs. I would like to strongly suggest, the information for surrounding suburbs - should go in the article relating to those suburbs. Maybe you could have brief coverage of nearby suburbs, but there should be a

link for each one. Garrie 04:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I tried that. The original author of the articles did not like my changes so I pulled my information-will not go into details. This is my solution to the problem. Either I put the information I have on the suburbs here or it just gets lost forever. I would prefer the information on each suburb to be in with the notes of that suburb too. I have lots more to research and record. I know a lot about the suburbs, where to research it and how to research it. User:Phayla 27 April 2007
 * Additions are alway welcome. However, existing information should not be removed and replaced with different information. There's plenty of room on each suburb page for more 'History' info. J Bar 01:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Rockdale
I am finding so much general data on the history of Rockdale as a municipality I have set up another site Municipality of Rockdale, New South Wales as a repository for this data. As much as possible data from other sites will not be duplicated (my principle for all the sites to which I am contributing). I will start to set up links as soon as I find time. If another similar site exists I am happy for the site to be changed to "History of the Municipality of Rockdale, New South Wales". User:Phayla 3 May 2007
 * Somebody has redirected your 'Municipality of Rockdale, New South Wales' page to City of Rockdale. I suppose wiki don't like having too many pages with the same info or creating pages about defunct institutions. Can I suggest that maybe you add a 'History' section to City of Rockdale for any historical stuff. Otherwise, you could create a 'History of City of Rockdale' page. J Bar 01:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Jessie Aspinall
Could you please explain your edits to the Jessie Aspinall article. You appear to have disrupted formatted implemented in order to make the article easier to read, removed information about her early years and information about her later life and death under the presumption that that article (as far as I can tell) was being hijacked by feminist, ironically leaving in the one reference to Women's Rights Groups. Because the information removed was by no means controversial or POV, and because the removal of the sections makes the article somewhat harder to read, I am going to revert the changes.

All of the information within the article is factual. It in no place states that Jessie Aspinall was a feminist, merely that her plight was aided by the Women's Rights Movement. Even if she was, wikipedia is a place where all the facts must be heard, not just those which please us. Once again, none of your changes changed any reference to feminism, they merely made her biography less complete, and as none of them were in err I see no reason why they were removed. If you wish to remove them again please discuss it on the talk page so we can sort out the issue.

You are to be applauded for creating the article, and at no point have you been thwarted. The information I added was from proper research, and was by no means an attempt to portray Jessie Aspinall in any light other then the historically accurate one.

Cheers Guycalledryan 13:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I rewrote the final paragraph, which could be seen to imply Aspinall was a feminist. Guycalledryan 13:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

May 2007
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. An article you recently created, The Aspinalls: a renown family of doctors, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for new articles, so it will shortly be removed (if it hasn't been already). Please use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do and please read our introduction page to learn more about contributing. Thank you. Philippe 00:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Macleod College
Thanks for adding the links to the 'noteworthy students' section of the Macleod College article. One thing - I had a look at the link to Lachlan Andrew, and I couldn't see anything in it to indicate sufficent notability. I have removed the name - if you disagree with this feel free to put it back but it will ened some additional sources to meet WP:N.

The Stephen Hall link seems to have enough to justify inclusion, though perhaps you or I should make this an actual Wikipedia page about him rather than just an external link. As you know there is no link for the medical practitioner but I left him in mostly because of the title of Professor - full professors are generally notable and if references can be found he too might be worthy of a Wikipedia page.

Like I said, if you disagree with the above go ahead and change it back. Happy to discuss on the talk page, too. Euryalus 01:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There are many more references to Dr (I left this out and was going to add it) Lachlan Andrew on Google. Somewhere in Google is his photo as part of the team which, in Nov 2005, set the world record for the speed of transmission of data over the internet. There was a big write up about this in Google at the time. Dr Andrew is also part of the staff (as senior research engineer) of a university in the top ten in one of the world's university rankings. I think the school would be very pleased to have a former student at such a high-ranking university. Perhaps more explanation about Dr Andrew should be given.


 * Prof Bruce Tong is also in Google I do not have time at present to expand the entry (entries). User:Phayla 16 July 2007


 * A new page for Stephen Hall sounds good as his page will grow over time. User:Phayla 18 July 2007


 * I re-removed the first link... LachlanA 21:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleting information from Wikipedia
Phayla, I noticed you deleted some of your contributions because other contributors have made changes to your articles. I can understand your frustrations, but I think you miss the point of wikipedia. I think it's a shame that you've deleted all you're contributions because you don't like other people making changes. I know how that feels. I get frustrated too when people delete my contributions or photos that I've gone to a lot of trouble to take.

Anyway, regarding the changes to the names of articles, I just wanted to say something that you might want to consider. I understand that you want to keep the old titles for your historical articles, but this doesn't doesn't follow the standard of wikipedia or the standard of most encyclopedias. For example, in an encyclopedia you would have a story on 'Iran' but a story on the history wouldn't be just titled 'History of Persia' and ignore the history of the last 50 years. It is more likely that an article will be titled 'History of Iran' and make references to Persia, being the old name used for thousands of years. There may be a separate article on Persia but it would likely be brief and point you back to the main article 'History of Iran'.

The same standard should apply to something like Brighton-Le-Sands. An article should be titled History of Brighton-Le-Sands and make reference to the fact that it was known as Brighton-le-Sands before 1970s. Otherwise we'll have different articles on the same subject every time there is a name change and we'd end up with many articles that users would have trouble finding. The same goes for the City of Rockdale. Having an article called the 'History of the City of Rockdale' would cover all the previous variations to the name such as Rockdle Council, Municipality of Rockdale and Rockdale Municipality. If we had articles for every variant then the history would scattered and difficult to find.

I hope my point is clear enough. I don't think anybody wants you remove your contributions. I think they're just trying to make them easier for users to find the information. You're entitled to set up your own websites for your research but wikipedia reaches a lot more people worldwide. I hope you reconsider and make you information available to more people. Cheers J Bar 01:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC).

Eden and citation of references
Hi - I have found it quite a lot of work to clean up your citations after you. Could you please use the appropriate tags - ie. If you are using a citation multiple times please cite it first as and then thereafter as. See my recent changes to the Eden article for more clarification by way of example. Probably better still have a look at Help:Footnotes and Referencing for beginners. I recommend the use of citation templates (see Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference for a start) as they provide the basic discipline of key elements that should be included. The vague new South wales Government gazette for example is all but useless - it needs a year and a page number at least. Similarly there are many editions of the Eden Tourist Guide - which one are you using? Please cite edition or year and other publication details. Pease also consider our guideline on Reliable sources. Sorry to seem so harsh in my comments - your additions are of course welcome but using the correct editing techniques makes it easier for others, including the reader. --Matilda talk 00:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Many of the guides are not dated. The book I bought recently is not dated, but appears to have been written about 1953 and later updated. The only date I can give is the date I acquired them. I appreciate what you are doing with the references. I have seen references done in other ways in Wiki.... and have been following them to some extent. You are obviously an IT person and technically savvy. I am a very old lady who has a background of over 40 years in research including at a tertiary level but who could not even turn on a computer 5 years ago. I really enjoy research, now at my own pace, and am encouraged to continue to keep my brain active. I shall continue to add information but shall omit my references or work them in in other ways. I find your system very difficult and confusing. I tried to follow it, but unsuccessfully.   Phayla (talk) 00:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi I do appreciate your additions and even more I appreciate that they are indeed referenced - so please don't leave them out!!!! I am more than happy to go on tidying if it helps! Sorry for expressing any irritation.
 * Perhaps if I explain it this way - I think all you need to do is when you add a reference in the format suggested is instead of adding say [5] and then putting the number 5 and the reference details at the bottom of the article place the reference where you would type the [5] in the article and surround it by   after - then it will appear as an automatically numbered footnote. If that doesn't make sense, don't worry.
 * There are a number of ways of recording citations and there is no one right way. Generally one method in a an article is preferred.  Using the ref tags keeps the numbering dynnamic, that is in order.
 * I really contribute to wikipedia instead of doing sudoku and crosswords, in other words my interest is also in keeping my brain active. I too enjoy my research and having a repository for it.  Please do keep contributing.  Regards Matilda talk 01:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)  ( my talk page can be  reached through my signature - click on the bit that says "talk" - but a response here is just fine!)


 * Thanks. Explained simply I think I understand and shall try it. You can probably guess from other comments that I have contributed to quite a few sites if and where I can. My very clued up son taught me the basics a bit over a year ago and I have taught myself more. Phayla (talk) 04:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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