User talk:PhilCrusie2

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sage Suede (April 4)
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CommanderWaterford (talk) 22:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sage Suede (April 4)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by CommanderWaterford was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Sage Suede and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
 * If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Sage Suede, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "Db-g7" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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CommanderWaterford (talk) 22:38, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sage Suede (April 5)
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CNMall41 (talk) 00:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Artist has significant coverage globally
And is noteworthy as the most established artist in Hip Hop & EDM from Austin, TX. There is no reason for editors to block outright.

Musical Distinction
There is no one else in the city of Austin that works in these genres and has this large of an online presence- Hip Hop, EDM, Indie Pop. Sage also produces their own work and released an album in 3 languages with a variety of genres. The album is in English, Spanish and Portuguese. The city of Austin is very small and there is only 1 Hip Hop station for current artists.

Sage also produces tracks in Baile Funk and Reggaeton styles, making them a founding producer in these genres for the city of Austin and the state of Texas. In the USA, Reggaeton's domestic community has yet to form into a large network, so many of the most popular acts are still from abroad, but Reggaeton is one of the fastest growing genres. Baile Funk is popular in Lusophone countries but does not exist in most of The USA, making Sage Suede one of the founding producers domestically. It is likely that he was one of the first people to create a Baile Funk song in Portuguese in the USA and extremely likely that he was the first to do so in Texas.

Not only that, many of their publications are related to gay culture. So easily this is one of the notable independent LGBT musician/ model in the world.

There are so many notable things about this musician pioneering genres in a city where they do not exist and in multiple languages. Although there are an abundance of sources, they provide credibility to this artists global presence. There are 7 sources in the UK at music publications and DNA Magazine featured it in Australia. The album Thicc Juicy Bass and EP Glossy were featured in music publications all over the world. I find the denials to be very suspicious, as I am working on this article to help a marginalized member of my local community and some people would be predisposed by prejudice in evaluating this article.

I hope that these issues related to writing style requirements and links can be resolved fairly.

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Thank you. --- Possibly (talk) 16:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Sage Suede has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Sage Suede. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 17:08, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Extensive Details and Updates to Citations ~PhilCrusie2
I removed the extraneous citations, such as YouTube. There is ample data in this article now regarding this artists credibility in sources from all over the world. I counted 7 music publications in the UK. There is also an article in DNA Magazine Issue #251, which goes to more than 1.9 million readers and is the largest gay publication in Asia, to my knowledge.

Sage Suede is an indie musician in a small town of not even 1 million people. This is clearly a very notable artist to have such a large global presence and many musical publications. It's laughable that anyone would disagree, unless they are not reading any of the sources.
 * It is NOT clearly a notable article otherwise it would have been accepted by now. The draft is still suffering from WP:REFBOMBING. Theroadislong (talk) 21:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok, we can improve the writing. I'm not sure if you wanted me to post the sources here instead of that other talk page. So here are those again for records:

- Andrews, Marc (1 December 2020). "DNA Feature of Sage Suede". DNA Magazine. Australia: DNA. - Honk Magazine (Houston) https://honkmagazine.com/premiere-texas-artist-sage-suede-releases-highly-anticipated-debut-album-titled-thicc-juicy-bass-and-visuals-for-featured-single-slappin-bass-harder/ - Out Front Magazine (Colorado) https://www.outfrontmagazine.com/a-chat-with-up-and-coming-musician-sage-suede/ss-9-07-20-508-1-1024x817/ - Big Celebrity Buzz (?) https://bigcelebritybuzz.com/2020/09/23/the-gallery-presents-sage-suede-thelonious-poon-live-on-twitch-9-25-20-8-pm-cst/ - Jimmy Stars World (Los Angeles/New York) https://www.jimmystarsworld.com/music/sage-suede-releases-highly-anticipated-new-album-thicc-juicy-bass-now-available-worldwide/ - Dance Hits UK https://dancehits.co.uk/album-of-the-week-thicc-juicy-bass-by-sage-suede/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilCrusie2 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for all the confusion. I didn't know how to use the talk page at first. I'm so new to this. Not sure if it's helping now. https://imgur.com/gallery/tn81c

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Sage Suede


A tag has been placed on Draft:Sage Suede, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 04:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Deb. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Hello, PhilCrusie2. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.Deb (talk) 08:58, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Deb, none of the page was promotional. I worked on it for days and was abused by the reviewers on this website. The homophobia and discrimination is rampant on here so I will be deleting my account. I am extremely sad and hurt by this experience and will never return. You didn't even give me any time to contest this deletion or reply to anything - it was speedily destroyed overnight. Further showing the extreme discrimination on this hate site.
 * I have seen zero evidence of abuse by reviewers or homophobia and discrimination, please link to it so it can be investigated. I offered you polite and friendly advice at all stages. Theroadislong (talk) 14:59, 6 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Anyone looking at this page can see that this user was offered plenty of help and advice, which he/she ignored. Deb (talk) 15:00, 6 April 2021 (UTC)