User talk:Phil Bridger/April 2012 – June 2012

Jhenda redirect
Hello! If redirecting it to Zenda (Marathi film) is suitable than deletion as per the PROD i placed, its okay. But what do we do with Talk:Jhenda? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 20:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Contested deletion of Mobi Okoli.
Hi there. You removed the PROD-tag on Mobi Okoli the other day, with the rationale "contest deletion - passes WP:NFOOTY". Giving such a specific reason for contesting a deletion is very good, for I would encourage you to actually read the policy that you claim Okoli passes (now he passes it, after making his debut in Tippeligaen on 29 April). WP:NFOOTY specifically claims that "players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable." - and when you removed the PROD-tag there were no indication in his article that he had played in a fully professional league, which in Norway is only Tippeligaen, not Adeccoligaen. Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 06:39, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Persian Resurgence 1729
This entire article is in fact a major copyright violation where someone copy-pasted the material from a website. You can obviously see this in the way it is written plus the numbers appearing as footnotes.--182.177.69.52 (talk) 02:10, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

AFD notification for Ann Dunnigan
Hi - just letting you know about this AFD; you removed the PROD tag on the article some time ago. Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 16:20, 11 May 2012 (UTC) Articles for deletion/Ann Dunnigan

Ganda Singh
Hi, given that you removed the PROD at Ganda Singh, I have stripped the article right back. It is hopeless, although perhaps you are not aware of the transliteration issues that are involved. Aside from being unsourced until your edit, there are numerous Ganda/Gandha/Gainda etc Singhs who were Indian revolutionaries/independence activists and at least two who were involved with the Ghadar movement. All the stuff concerning migration to Canada etc is ludicrous in this situation and even that source that you added makes a distinction between a Gainda Singh who came from Hoshiapur (which is what the article claimed) and a Ganda Singh (your man) who came from Ferozpur), per pp. 81-82. Furthermore, the subject of the article has an additional name that does not appear in the source that you cited, and the article made no mention of time spent in China: you may in fact have unwittingly added to the confusion. Indeed, I am pretty sure that you did because the article claimed Singh was being prosecuted in India at the time when your source says he was in China. It is issues such as transliteration & common names that give rise to confused articles that become compendia of the lives of various people rather than of any single person and it is thus that such unsourced articles can fail WP:V, WP:GNG etc. They are frequently found in the India-related sphere and without a decent "hook" source that really does delve into the life of a particular person, the articles are well-nigh useless. I'll try to build something using the source that you provided, but it is not a great one. I hope that this makes some sort of sense to you - the article certainly did not  - Sitush (talk) 02:57, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Contested PROD of NKVT
Hello,

You contested the proposed deletion of NKVT, saying that "of course we should have an article on a government ministry in one of the world's largest countries." I agree with the basic principle of this - we should have information about such a ministry. But there's simply not enough encyclopedic content to justify having an article. Furthermore, even if that content is there, it's unsourced, so it's not useable. What is justified is a blurb in the Council of the People's Commissars article on each of these little ministries, not individual articles at this time. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 15:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've taken it to AfD. Link to the discussion is here. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 15:32, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I've replied to your comment on the AfD...
and having discovered something interesting as a result of your comment there, I'd like you to take a look. MSJapan (talk) 03:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Cyrille Ndaney
Hello. You removed the BLPProd tag because it has references but both references provided are not for the person in question. In fact, the majority of the article is just a cut and paste of an existing one, just the name and a couple of things were changed. That is why I BLPProd'd it. The user in question has a history of doing this and frankly I can't be bothered to clean up after them every single time if they're not willing to put in the effort to create articles properly (see their talk page, I've left them plenty of messages). Thanks. TonyStarks (talk) 18:39, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This reference clearly says that Ndaney is a player from Cameroon signed to ES Sétif, How is that not for the person in question? If you doubt the reliability of the source or the notability of the player then please use other deletion procedures, but this article meets the requirements of WP:BLPPROD. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry you are right, I only read the title and intro of the article and assumed it was for another player. As such, I should not have BLPProd'd it. Thanks for pointing out my mistake! TonyStarks (talk) 14:15, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you. Always glad to be of service. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:50, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

College Park Mall
Tell me how a shopping mall is not A7. Shopping malls are businesses. They certainly fit under A7 and I've seen them A7'd before. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:49, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * A shopping mall is owned by a company, but is not itself a company. Most of them are owned by large property companies that have many other interests. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Still, I've seen shopping malls A7'd before without question. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That only means that we have some incompetent admins, which is a well-known fact. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:58, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

No. 1 Service Flying Training School
Hi

Did you read the top of "http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1940s/Trg-1SFTS.html" the only difference between that and the article is the lead sentence and the fact the wikipedia article is structured.

Gavbadger (talk) 20:49, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy deletion only applies if the whole article violates copyright, and simple lists are not copyrightable. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, Thanks. Gavbadger (talk) 20:54, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
 Rahul Mothiya   ( Talk ) 13:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

AfD: Al Yasmina School
Hi,

I am nominating the article above for deletion. I think you might be interested, since you removed my proposed deletion tag. Rgs.

My Sygnature
My Sygnature is just fine now. It had been in a coma, but it just recovered. Please post all complaints on User talk:Bleakgh/complaints BLEAKGH - БЛЕАКЬ - بــلــكــغ - בּלכּג - 뱍가 - ᚷᚲᛇᛚᛒ 12:47, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for changing your signature. If I ever feel the need to contact you again I will post the message in its proper place, which is your talk page, not a sub-page. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:11, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Contested deletion of Shipwire, Inc.
Hi - please see below regarding why Shipwire, Inc. meets notability guidelines. Also, the notification is posted twice on the same page. Please remove one instance.

The article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability specified in the guidelines.

Here are the five notability criteria and how the Shipwire, Inc. entry meets these guidelines.


 * Significant coverage - no original research was used in making the entry and all sources document the significance of the entity
 * Reliable - sources are from notable and independent sources
 * Sources - there are around 10 differing and quality sources
 * Independent of the subject - Most sources are independent of the subject and thus can be construed as unbiased
 * Presumed - the subject should hence be presumed for inclusion

Charlie Liang (talk) 16:36, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
→B music ian 22:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And again. →B music ian 13:59, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail!
→B music ian 13:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Johannes Maas and Worldwide Faith Missions
I came upon your involvement in the AfD discussion on a missionary by the name of Johannes Maas (see Articles for deletion/Johannes Maas (missionary) and Articles for deletion/Johannes Maas (missionary) (2nd nomination) for the discussion). I have nominated Worldwide Faith Missions, another article which was written by the same author as the Johannes Maas article, up for AfD and I read in the Johannes Maas AfD discussion that you too were highly sceptical about this article. Apart from the author of the Worldwide Faith Missions article and myself, there has been no response so far on its AfD page. Would you mind having a look at this AfD perhaps? You can find it here: Articles for deletion/Worldwide Faith Missions. Thank you. - Takeaway (talk) 03:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I will not comment in the AfD discusssion unless you inform all of the editors who participited in Articles for deletion/Johannes Maas (missionary) and Articles for deletion/Johannes Maas (missionary) (2nd nomination), including Jackie-thai, JimScott and Jemesouviens32 who gave "keep" opinions (I see that Rak-Tai has already found the discussion). Informing people in the selective way that you have done is frowned upon as canvassing, and is nearly always counter-productive as it tends to deflect AfD discussions into talk about canvassing rather than the merits of the article. Phil Bridger (talk) 06:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't inform Jackie-thai because that account has not been active since 2009 and I strongly suspect that account to have been either a sockpuppet of Rak-Tai or belonging to someone who was his assistant due to Jackie-thai's edits all being connected with the person Johannes Maas. I have indeed not informed JimScott as he did not contribute to the second AfD nomination of the article about Johannes Maas. His name there was added by Rak-Thai himself so I assumed that JimScott had lost interest in the discussion. Having this AfD turned into a canvassing discussion is not my intention at all and I will then too inform JimScott even though he did not participate in the second discussion. - Takeaway (talk) 07:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Jemesouviens32 has last been active on wikipedia on 30 April 2011. I hope enough people can be found to participate. - Takeaway (talk) 07:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Question
What are the "two assertions of importance" in the Greycaps India article? Basa lisk inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 15:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Second largest company in its field and international operations. Remember that importance/significance is a lower standard than notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Am I missing something? Is there a guideline/policy page somewhere which defines rational claims to importance? Perhaps I'm being a bonehead, but I didn't really feel that a claim to size is really significant; a tiny company in a sector with a very small market could make that claim. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 16:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The point of the speedy deletion criteria is to eliminate articles that don't require any investigation to determine that they don't belong in Wikipedia. If an article makes claims that require such investigation then the appropriate venue to decide on deletion is WP:AFD. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. Basa <font color="CC9900">lisk  inspect damage⁄<font color="CC9900">berate 21:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Beate Bille speedy
Hi there. I noticed that you removed the speedy deletion tag from the above disambiguation page. You remarks were "look at the criteria". I did so and under the criteria of a disambiguation page: "An article which contains two or less links, or as many non-functional links". That article would have met the criteria for a speedy deletion. On a side note, contesting a speedy does not involve the act of removing the speedy. Contesting would be to add the "hang-on" tag and giving your reason for contesting such an issue. In your case, you just removed the template. I will respect your views and take the page to an AfD forum. Good day to you. keystoneridin! (talk) 20:47, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Read the speedy deletion template again. The first criterion only applies if the title of the disambiguation page ends in "(disambiguation)", which this one does not, and the second only applies if the page links to no articles, but this one does link to one. And any editor other than the article creator can contest a speedy deletion by removing the tag with an explanation in the edit summary. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I did read the template again. I am not trying to engulf this into an edit war. I was always under the impression that the proper way to "contest" a speedy was to add the hang on to the page so that the individual wanting to stop the speedy could explain this on the articles talk page. I, up to this point, have found the generally accepted way of "declining" a speedy was to remove the article. No hard feelings. I added it to today's AfD board. Cheers!keystoneridin! (talk) 21:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if you did read the template again, could you explain how this page met either of the criteria? For contesting of speedy deletion see WP:CSD, which says "The creator of a page may not remove a speedy deletion tag from it. Only an editor who is not the creator of a page may do so." I am not the creator of this page. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it's just best to agree to disagree on this one. I don't want to leave a bad impression on anyone. I did not say you were not able to remove the tag. You are fully able to as an non-creator of the article. I was talking about contesting vs. declining. From my experience, it appears that you were in fact declining the speedy. This is completely fine, and I have no issues with it. Good luck in your editing!keystoneridin! (talk) 21:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Monametsi Kelebale for deletion
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The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Monametsi Kelebale until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Lucy Carr
Hi Phil, I clicked on OTRS link to verify my identity but as I am not experienced at Wikipedia I'm not sure what I am supposed to be clicking or doing next - I did send an email to info-en-q@wikimedia.org saying that I am happy to send a copy of my driving licence. p.s thank you for the support Ladymanor13 (talk) 18:51, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback
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